Explain how he is clearly a better player?Quote:
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Explain how he is clearly a better player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
He holds the ball up better and links better with those around him, better movement off the ball, is a far better finisher, has a better touch and works harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
That's your case? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
You must see him more often than today then as you didnt see all that todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
Aye!! To be honest everyone sees things differently and it’s just my opinion but I’ve seen Shankland play a lot on the last two years and he’s a top player. Sure he has quiet games, like today, but he should and will play at a higher level.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanFranHibs
Fair comment but yeah I’ve seen him play a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by allant1981
Shankland had one good chance and finished it. If he had one or two more I have no doubt we'd have been walking away from this game without even a replay. Doidge had a great chance at the death and done his usual hit it at the keeper.
Not a great day for either to showcase themselves but I still have zero doubt who I'd like to see play for us.
Why didn't he do any of those things today? He scored but his general play didn't exist. He held nothing up. United had 2 shots on goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
Doidge scored a very good goal. Chance at the end wasn't easy at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
He did well to control the ball to create the chance, but the keeper did his job very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Imagine how many goals he would would score in this HIBS team with Boyle and Allan laying them on a plate for him
I was impressed with his upper body strength especially when up against Daz but as I said earlier in this thread I am still failing to see this brilliant hold up player that brings others into play like some sort of latter day Stevie Archibald he is an excellent finisher and his finish today was calmness personified
Doidge is by far the better player
If you’d never heard of either you’d have come away today thinking Doidge was a better player IMO. Gave them more problems than Shankland gave us.
Could have won it at the end, but I’m sure the great Laurence Shankland misses chances as well.
The difference between someone who is a clinical finisher and one who isn’t. Clearly speculation on my part but I’d have fancied Shankland to finish Doidge’s chance at the end. I had absolutely no confidence he was going to finish it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Honestly that is pure nonsense. I'd have fancied Shankland to score?? Based on what, certainly not his performance this evening. He was pish and scored, Doidge was slightly less pish and scored, go figure who is being touted as the next big thing. And based on every time I've seen Shankland I just don't get itQuote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
I have watched Shankland over a couple of years.
He is an out and out goalscorer.
You forget he is on the pitch then he gets a chance, comes alive and puts it away as he did today then disappears again.
His run for the goal was good and he sorted his feet out very quickly and tidily rolled the ball into the net.
It is relevant that he plays in a poor team and as a result gets very poor service so it is difficult to judge if he would cut it for the likes of Hibs, so jury still out on him.
Based on that Doidge
Thank you. What a terribly grown up response to an opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by basehibby
Doidges take down and control was brilliant for the chance at the end but the big keeper read it and immediately closed him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
Your criticism re this chance has no merit.
Shankland plays in by far and away the best team in his league? I’d imagine he gets absolutely excellent service.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Nonsense in your opinion. Whatever faults Shankland may have he’s known as a clinical finisher, not something even his biggest fan can say about Doidge.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
The only way of scoring it would have been to hit it first time before the keeper could close it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Genuinely thought Shankland wasn't playing until they announced his goal. Sign of a good striker? Maybe. Utterly invisible 2nd half
Probably based on the fact he scores the majority of chances he gets?Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Had a quiet game today (thankfully) and still got on the scoresheet, as he tends to do. Hopefully he’s just as quiet in the replay.
Someone like him could have had the tie wrapped up for us today.
So far it's Doidge 1, Shankland 1.
We'll find out the winner in nine days.
Or alternatively he could be just like Steven Dobbie who scored tons of goals in that division but just didn't cut it in the tip league.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Doidge over Shankland all day long and he showed why today.
Kamberi was also about 10 levels above Shankland so I’d surmise that if we’d signed him he would have been a decent 3rd choice striker.
Dobbie in his prime would've pished all over the SPLQuote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
He was a quality player down south. Shankland isn't in his league.
He does, which makes his achievements in that league hard to judge. Loads of chances against duffers.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Equally the poorness of his performance today is hard to benchmark because his teammates struggled all game.
Shankland to me is the superior goal scorer, I’d be stunned if Doidge would have the sort of ratio Shankland has in that league. Doidge brings so much more to the team than Shankland though, so it really just depends if we want a forward who will get his fair share of goals while offering a lot more than just that or a guy who will score a barrel load but offer next to nothing when he’s not doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Thanks for backing up my argument. I do not remember Dobbie have smoke blown up his arse and getting Scotland caps for **** sake like ShanklandQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Indeed. Shankland has a long way to go before he actually deserves the way he is being spoken about. Hibs have 2 better strikers.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
100% in agreement with you there, and they are probably both being paid less.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Allan and Shankland in the same teamQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
The other 8 outfield players would die of exhaustion after 75 minutes.
Erm. Dobbie was at Hibs when he was 21/22. He scored 7 goals in 2 seasons, including a league cup hat trick against Montrose.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
On today’s showing Doidge and he is now in double figures
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Shankland looks like he'd seriously struggle to make the step up to Premiership. Sounds daft as he scored but he was invisible for 89 minutes
In your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
I agree with another poster who said that they had no confidence in him to finish it. He did well to take it down but after that he didn't pick a spot nor did he look up to notice I think Boyle on the penalty spot (admittedly Shankland being a goalscorer might not have wanted to pass if it was him). Does that one chance make him a bad player? Absolutely not. But the fact of the matter is we've paid what appears to be the most amount of money we've paid since De La Cruz for this man and he looks no better than a lot of strikers we've signed and released for free before him.
Boyle was being marked so if he’d done that he’d be lambasted for not having a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
It was great goal keeping.
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While Doidge is a much more complete player than Shankland at this point in time. I think it's a bit unfair to draw comparisons between the two based on today's match. Shankland was up against better and more experienced defenders and has little to no experience of playing above Championship level. He'll probably get the chance to play at a higher level soon and then we'll see if he develops. As to the actual question posed of who was the better signing. If his goals makes the difference between United being in the play offs and winning the Championship at a canter, then it might be Shankland.
My first look at Shankland since he has been making the headlines...he is certainly a good player. Strong,
Good in the air, took the ball well and decent
Movement ..will Get a good move - perhaps he lacks the pace to play at the highest level ..but could see him scoring goals wherever he goes
As the OP I have to say there was little between them today. Both took their goals well but were largely anonymous for most of the game. If Dodge had taken his chance at the end it may have swung it in his favour but keeper done well.
Onwards to the replay then to see if one of them can raise their game and win the tie or are they much of a muchness?
Stick with the Vegan Nish.
I’ve grown to really rate/like Doidge and he’s a good focal point for our attack. He’s not a natural finisher though and I think a Shankland or a Cummings type poacher gets a shot away much quicker with that late chance.
Not a criticism of Doidge, he does bring more to the team than just goals.
They'd be good together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
As you say, different players.
Both did little apart from Score. Thought Shankland a lightweight. Oh was that Doidge's first goal with the his foot that was not miss hit?
Although Shankland gets goals, he's heavy, lazy, pulls out of defensive duals, ducks out of heading long balls, slow with little acceleration, neither does he hold and link it well. His general play isn't good enough. The Championship isn't a good league quality wise this year which has helped him big time with his goals.
Doidge is clever, he takes up good positions in general play and drags defenders into areas they don't want to be. His movement is good and his hold up and link up play is excellent and he usually wins most things in the air. Every game he at least creates himself 2 or 3 chances which is probably on a par with Shankland.
Doidge is a better all round player in my mind and Shankland not worth the hype surrounding him.
One thing I'm certain of is if Shankland played for Hibs, this thread wouldn't exist.
And those talking him down here would be laughing/dismissing/being sarcy towards any poster who suggested we would be better off with Christian Doidge.
I must say I did not think Shankland was lightweight if anything he has bulked up and had a good physical duel with Daz when he came on and has good upper body strength and shields the ball wellQuote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Took his goal well but apart from that offered little
Hibs to win the return leg......hopefully :greengrin
IIRC was he not making good money as a Personal Trainer when he was in the lower leagues?
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Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Shankland would score a barrowload in this HIBS side
I've got no doubts that Doidge would score as much, if not more than Shankland against Alloa and Partick
He's scored 88 goals in 100 games , his general play is irrelevant . He didnt touch the ball in the 1st 47 minutes , 1st time he does and Rockys picking the ball out the net .Quote:
Originally Posted by Spionen
It it time to close this utterly pointless thread?
C'mon Christian, you got nothing better to do with your day off ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spionen
watch it again, it is a mi****.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Also, if you watch Kamberi's effort earlier, Doidge (two yards out) sticks out his foot and misses it!!! Any touch and its a goal.
I'm afraid I just don't see what Doidge (other than winning balls in the air, especially defensive headers) brings to the team. Shankland would have 20 plus goals in this Hibs team with the chances Doidge has missed. :confused::confused:
His general play isn’t irrelevant and it’s probably why he’s still playing in the Scottish Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
I say that as someone who wouldn’t mind seeing him at Hibs.
At a pudding level. At a real level his play would matter and he'd have to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
He brings 10 goals before the end of January. 10 more and we're laughing.Quote:
Originally Posted by green.oracle
You actually think Shankland would have more goals at this point than guys like Stokes, Riordan, O'Connor, Killen and Fletcher got? I'll have what you're having :faf:
His general play and running is always decent. Puts in a shift and has a knack of scoring goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by green.oracle
Some Hibs fans are just not going to like Doidge, mind made up already. Even when he scores some just have to criticise him. Into double figures in January, I would say not bad for someone that has never played top league.
I agree with you big man has done well his first season,good striker to watch and puts himself in the thick of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barman Stanton
More goals will come for him.
We do need a wee ankle biter type though that gives no peace to defenders.
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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
From two posts eight mins apart. Opinions eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spionen
I initially thought Doidge would do well for us. I thought he was one of the brighter players in the friendlies and league cup group games. Then, when the league started, he was murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barman Stanton
I’m back to thinking he will do all right for us. Expect somewhere between 15 and 20 goals which won’t be a bad return for his first season. When you add in the other things he can bring to the team, that adds up to a decent season.
I don’t normally agree with comments about folk just not liking a player. I always think that, deep down, we all want Hibs players to do well. But there has even been criticism of him for the way some of his goals crossed the line!
The last bit is the worst of the lot for me, fair enough be critical if he isn’t scoring but to rip him for the ball not going in cleanly when he scores is another level. I think some have decided he’s pish and that’s it. 10 goals at this stage is ok. If he keeps scoring and gets to 20 by the end of the season it’ll be a brilliant return. When did we last have a striker get 20 goals in a season? Cummings in the seaside league?Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Some on here were very vocal about his ability (or lack off) in his early days. And some are just stubborn and wont budge. Its when there are complaints at 'how' he scores that you just know there is an agenda in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Think you should read properly what I said. The key words being "in this Hibs team". I base what I said on the sitters Doidge has missed this season, a few of them from two yards out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
For the record, at no point did I say Shankland would have more goals than the players you introduced into a debate on Doidge v Shankland.
Perhaps you should stay off whatever your having.
Bit unfair to criticise Dodgie's strike. It may not have been 100% crisp'n'clean, and fortunate to sneak through legs, but it was well taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by green.oracle
However, I fully agree about his fresh air swipe. Shankland would have scored that.
Also, would Shankland have scored Dodgie's goal if put in the same position by Boyle? I think almost certainly yes.
Would Dodgie have scored Shankland's goal if put in the same position? I think almost certainly not. Would not have had the same balance and composure.
That said, Dodgie has def improved and been worth his place in the team recently. Not something I would have said 2-3 months ago.
Would shankland have won the headers Doidge won, and brought others into play like Doidge does? Absolutely not. Two completely different types of strikers. Doidge scoring 15-20 goals while doing the work he does in bringing others into play is perfect for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeard
Decent post throughout 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeard
Thought Doidge did pretty well yesterday and Shankland did well with the little service he had. The question for me is would Shankland have scored more than the single goal given Doidge's opportunities. I think he might. Doidge's miss/Keeper's save late on was a good example. Doidge was so slow taking his shot and allowed the Keeper to close the angle. I think Shankland scores that and possibly gets a touch on Kamberi's strike. We won't be buying Shankland as we have missed the boat and I hope Doidge keeps scoring and also performing as he did yesterday.
Well those players never got 20 goals by January, that is what you said he'd have.Quote:
Originally Posted by green.oracle
Every striker misses sitters. Same as every goalie makes mistakes. Very generic assessment of a player and ultimately quite useless. He's only missed one REAL sitter, vs St Mirren on the first day.
How many were real sitters? Lucky if it’s a couple. The big guy rarely misses the target.Quote:
Originally Posted by green.oracle
Shankland wouldn’t have taken the touch on his chest to set up his late chance. A real bit of quality from the big man, likewise his touch near the touchline earlier in the game, the big man’s got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Apart from a goal yesterday, Shankland didn't impress me. Can understand now why no big clubs have taken a chance on him.
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I thought he was quiet yesterday too, though did take his goal very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by EI255
I wouldn’t judge him on one game against us though.
It was the same against Hearts earlier in the season in the league cup. Scored the opener that night but was anonymous the rest of the game. He is a pure poacher, which isn’t a bad thing but he’s not the sort to create chances himself out of nothing, the supply needs to be there for him. He reminds me of Jamie McLaren who was sensational with Barker, Boyle, Allan, Kamberi and McGinn working to create him chances but looked pretty blunt without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Both decent players. Different.
I dunno mate. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Surely that settles the argument
DoIdGe Or ShAnKlAnD?
NO ****ING CONTEST. Doidge has a better all round game.
As the OP I say it's Doidge by a knock out!
Reports Stoke scouts in stands tonight watching Shankland, they'd be better watching the 'Welsh Pele' Doidge :not worth
I'm sticking with Doidge, the other guy more or less seems to have disappeared after his goal
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Doidge wins.Thread closed.
Clearly much better tonight but to be fair I think Shankland has got what it takes and will go on to big things with a good team around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Doidge every single time.
If Shankland is worth £3m then Doidge is worth at least £5m. I really hope he gets a call up to the Welsh team too!
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Originally Posted by Waxy
:agree:
Science!
It’s an interesting debate, at this moment in time it’s really only Hibs fans who would take Doidge over Shankland.
I think Shankland has definitely got quite a lot going for him.
Doidge however scores a hat trick, superb finishes, but he was poor first half but perhaps he flourishes with a partner up top as once Kamberi came on he again looked very decent.
Doidge 4-2 Shankland
Doidge has 6 goals in 7 games against lower league teams this season and he was on the bench for 2 of those games.
He’d probably have quite a few more than his 14 goals if he’d been playing against the teams Shankland has all season.
Shankland is a good player though.
Doidge
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Well i didny factor in the replay but still got his treble 😎Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyrougier123
40/1 on Sky Bet taeQuote:
Originally Posted by tonyrougier123
I want to be Christian Doidge.
Thread closed.
I've read a few times now that "Doidge was poor in the first half" well you know what in the first game Shankland was very poor in the whole game. Wasn't there last night so can't comment but what I've seen from both of them, most of Shankland on TV, is they are both goalscorers but Doidge has the better all round game and works harder for the team
Shankland scored in both games. Apart from that did very little. Almost anonymous at Tannadice. Still scored to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
In case you still cant see it, its goals that he is bringing to the team. 2 hattricks already this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by green.oracle
If you play a high line properly against Shankland he will be out the game for most of it. Caught offside almost as much as Kamberi was in his 10 mins spell.