(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

Kamala Harris is the most ‘mean and horrible’ apparently.
I mean, who even talks like that in infant school? It’s beyond embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Kamala Harris is the most ‘mean and horrible’ apparently.
I mean, who even talks like that in infant school? It’s beyond embarrassing.

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Think in his world women are soft, fluffy and compliant. Which nasty Harris ain't.

Still, shirley only a few more months of this now - hurrah! :flag:

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Kamala Harris is the most ‘mean and horrible’ apparently.
I mean, who even talks like that in infant school? It’s beyond embarrassing.

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"She was really mean to 'Sleepy Joe" and "Nastier than even Pocahontas" towards him. Apparently Pocahontas is Trump's nickname for Elizabeth Warren. Infantile.

He was claimed she has said false and misleading things in the past. Although I imagine, if she has, it's not more than the 20,000 times (this is actually a proven figure, by a study at a US university) he has done so since 2016.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Think in his world women are soft, fluffy and compliant. Which nasty Harris ain't.

Still, shirley only a few more months of this now - hurrah! :flag:

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Apparently she said some very nasty things about Brett Kavanagh. The same one who has been accused of sexual assault on multiple occasions.

The difference between the fears of men and women. Men are scared women will say something nasty about us. Women fear rape or worse.

This from Reddit...
You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence. They don't give a **** what he does.
He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period. He absolutely realizes that and plays it up, they love it, he knows they love it, and the fact that people act like it's anything other than that just proves that liberals are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.If you keep getting caught up in why do they not realize blah blah blah and how can they still back him after blah blah blah, you are not understanding what is the underlying motivating factor of his support.
It's **** liberals, that's pretty much it. Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable and
they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense? Because they're not even keeping track of any logical narrative, it's irrelevant, **** liberals is the only relevant thing, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking about. That's why they just laugh at
it all, because you all don't even realize they really truly don't give a **** about whatever the conversation is about, it's just a side mission story that doesn't really matter anyways. That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever. **** liberals.Look at the thing with not wearing the masks. I can tell you what
that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal. You gotta understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness, because that's what they believe strength is, hatred for weakness. And I mean passionate,
sadistic hatred. And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me. Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness. Sometimes they lump in vulnerability, a
compromised circumstance, or an overwhelming circumstance in their with weakness, too, because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in those circumstances and that's an obvious sign of weakness.Kindness=weakness. Honesty=weakness. Compromise=weakness. They
consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do. They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact
that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them though.
Just keep in mind what I said here and think about it.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

This from Reddit...
You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence. They don't give a **** what he does.
He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period. He absolutely realizes that and plays it up, they love it, he knows they love it, and the fact that people act like it's anything other than that just proves that liberals are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.If you keep getting caught up in why do they not realize blah blah blah and how can they still back him after blah blah blah, you are not understanding what is the underlying motivating factor of his support.
It's **** liberals, that's pretty much it. Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable and
they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense? Because they're not even keeping track of any logical narrative, it's irrelevant, **** liberals is the only relevant thing, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking about. That's why they just laugh at
it all, because you all don't even realize they really truly don't give a **** about whatever the conversation is about, it's just a side mission story that doesn't really matter anyways. That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever. **** liberals.Look at the thing with not wearing the masks. I can tell you what
that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal. You gotta understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness, because that's what they believe strength is, hatred for weakness. And I mean passionate,
sadistic hatred. And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me. Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness. Sometimes they lump in vulnerability, a
compromised circumstance, or an overwhelming circumstance in their with weakness, too, because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in those circumstances and that's an obvious sign of weakness.Kindness=weakness. Honesty=weakness. Compromise=weakness. They
consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do. They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact
that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them though.
Just keep in mind what I said here and think about it.

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It’s an enlightening post that ..thanks for sharing

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

This from Reddit...
You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence. They don't give a **** what he does.
He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period. He absolutely realizes that and plays it up, they love it, he knows they love it, and the fact that people act like it's anything other than that just proves that liberals are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.If you keep getting caught up in why do they not realize blah blah blah and how can they still back him after blah blah blah, you are not understanding what is the underlying motivating factor of his support.
It's **** liberals, that's pretty much it. Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable and
they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense? Because they're not even keeping track of any logical narrative, it's irrelevant, **** liberals is the only relevant thing, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking about. That's why they just laugh at
it all, because you all don't even realize they really truly don't give a **** about whatever the conversation is about, it's just a side mission story that doesn't really matter anyways. That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever. **** liberals.Look at the thing with not wearing the masks. I can tell you what
that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal. You gotta understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness, because that's what they believe strength is, hatred for weakness. And I mean passionate,
sadistic hatred. And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me. Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness. Sometimes they lump in vulnerability, a
compromised circumstance, or an overwhelming circumstance in their with weakness, too, because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in those circumstances and that's an obvious sign of weakness.Kindness=weakness. Honesty=weakness. Compromise=weakness. They
consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do. They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact
that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them though.
Just keep in mind what I said here and think about it.

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Interesting, but the idea that Trump realises anything jars with me.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

This from Reddit...
You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence. They don't give a **** what he does.
He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period. He absolutely realizes that and plays it up, they love it, he knows they love it, and the fact that people act like it's anything other than that just proves that liberals are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.If you keep getting caught up in why do they not realize blah blah blah and how can they still back him after blah blah blah, you are not understanding what is the underlying motivating factor of his support.
It's **** liberals, that's pretty much it. Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable and
they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense? Because they're not even keeping track of any logical narrative, it's irrelevant, **** liberals is the only relevant thing, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking about. That's why they just laugh at
it all, because you all don't even realize they really truly don't give a **** about whatever the conversation is about, it's just a side mission story that doesn't really matter anyways. That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever. **** liberals.Look at the thing with not wearing the masks. I can tell you what
that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal. You gotta understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness, because that's what they believe strength is, hatred for weakness. And I mean passionate,
sadistic hatred. And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me. Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness. Sometimes they lump in vulnerability, a
compromised circumstance, or an overwhelming circumstance in their with weakness, too, because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in those circumstances and that's an obvious sign of weakness.Kindness=weakness. Honesty=weakness. Compromise=weakness. They
consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do. They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact
that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them though.
Just keep in mind what I said here and think about it.

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Sounds like Bozo's relationship to the Brexiteers.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Interesting, but the idea that Trump realises anything jars with me.

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Most of the protagonists, including Trump, who fit the above description don't realise it. It's a base instinct programmed in from years of cultural conditioning.

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Originally Posted by Kato

Most of the protagonists, including Trump, who fit the above description don't realise it. It's a base instinct programmed in from years of cultural conditioning.

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:agree:
This is what you’re dealing with. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-arrested-son

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

:agree:
This is what you’re dealing with. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-arrested-son

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And this..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.c...ory/index.html

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And this..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.c...ory/index.html

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Just checking, that district is solidly Republican white blue collar territory, got 72% of the vote last time. So that’s an actual Q cult devotee guaranteed for a place in the Senate.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Just checking, that district is solidly Republican white blue collar territory, got 72% of the vote last time. So that’s an actual Q cult devotee guaranteed for a place in the Senate.

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Yup it would appear so....

I’m not actually quite sure what to make of that.

Taking Trump as some sort of one off aberration is possible to compute but trying to get my head around just how far and wide his mentalist brand has pervaded the GOP and the backing it now seems to have...to the level that the likes of Greene are now stick on Senators is just hurting my head.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Just checking, that district is solidly Republican white blue collar territory, got 72% of the vote last time. So that’s an actual Q cult devotee guaranteed for a place in the Senate.

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There’s been a lot written about the blue collar paradox, where unemployed white miners, car workers and steel workers voted for the GOP factory owners who moved their jobs overseas.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Just checking, that district is solidly Republican white blue collar territory, got 72% of the vote last time. So that’s an actual Q cult devotee guaranteed for a place in the Senate.

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I'm always confused about Congress votes. Is that not for the House Of Representatives?

Congress is both the Senate (senators) and the House of Representatives (congressmen and congresswomen).

There are elections every two years. All members of the House of Representatives stand, as they do two-year terms. One-third of senators stand on a rotating basis because they do six-year terms.

In amongst that you have a presidential election every four years, gubernatorial and mayoral elections and various elections to state legislatures.

It is what makes the ‘mid-terms’ a thing. Two years into a presidency, all of the House of Reps and a third of Senate are in an election fight. Because of the way the American Constitution was founded, that can very much help or hamstring the sitting president.

Beyond parody yet again...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

Congress is both the Senate (senators) and the House of Representatives (congressmen and congresswomen).

There are elections every two years. All members of the House of Representatives stand, as they do two-year terms. One-third of senators stand on a rotating basis because they do six-year terms.

In amongst that you have a presidential election every four years, gubernatorial and mayoral elections and various elections to state legislatures.

It is what makes the ‘mid-terms’ a thing. Two years into a presidency, all of the House of Reps and a third of Senate are in an election fight. Because of the way the American Constitution was founded, that can very much help or hamstring the sitting president.

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I understand all of that. But AIUI,the QCult woman is up for election to the HoR. Have I got that bit wrong?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I understand all of that. But AIUI,the QCult woman is up for election to the HoR. Have I got that bit wrong?

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Yes you’re right, she’s going for election to the House of Representatives. I should have said she’s going to the Congress, not the Senate.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Yes you’re right, she’s going for election to the House of Representatives. I should have said she’s going to the Congress, not the Senate.

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Gotcha ta.

Still freaking scary though. I see people on social media, who I had previously tagged as "liberal", taking the QAnon line...with the justification that it's about "save the children"

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Gotcha ta.

Still freaking scary though. I see people on social media, who I had previously tagged as "liberal", taking the QAnon line...with the justification that it's about "save the children"

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If I believed that Hilary and the rest of the deep state are running a paedophile ring out of FBI headquarters and a pizza delivery place in Washington DC I’d probably feel similarly...

On the other hand, Jeffrey Epstein :dunno: (Mikey Forrester Russian sailors....)

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

If I believed that Hilary and the rest of the deep state are running a paedophile ring out of FBI headquarters and a pizza delivery place in Washington DC I’d probably feel similarly...

On the other hand, Jeffrey Epstein :dunno: (Mikey Forrester Russian sailors....)

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You just know the Epstein saga will have other people just as guilty but the system may not have the appetite to pursue everyone or take matters all the way
But listened to a video of a guy speaking g at Glasgow Green who is into the Deep State. Conspiracy and saying in Australia lockdown is happening in Melbourne as they are clearing the swamp
Talked about explosions and tunnels being exposed underground with children in them 280 ,and 52 were dead ,and so many needed treatment ffs
I like a good conspiracy theory and like to keep an open mind and do think there are several different agenda about

But you would have to be insane imo to believe what that guy was spouting
Worryingly there was a crowd there applauding him And don’t get me started on Reptilians ffs
Yes Child Trafficking is a growing and large problem but this is just not believable


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Have to admit I have no idea what Qanon is?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Have to admit I have no idea what Qanon is?


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

You'll have read all about it on here before :greengrin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

You'll have read all about it on here before :greengrin

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Aargh....wish I hadn’t read all that. The world is weird enough.


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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Sounds like Bozo's relationship to the Brexiteers.

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And Patel proving it, right on cue ...

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

And Patel proving it, right on cue ...

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It's a sad state of affairs when a governments strategy of gaining and remaining in power is not driven by their ideological values but by scrapping the bottom of the barrel and proposing policy designed to appeal to the stupid and bigoted masses. When power is the sole reason for seeking power, then we're all ****ed.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

It's a sad state of affairs when a governments strategy of gaining and remaining in power is not driven by their ideological values but by scrapping the bottom of the barrel and proposing policy designed to appeal to the stupid and bigoted masses. When power is the sole reason for seeking power, then we're all ****ed.

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What would you do if you had her job?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

You'll have read all about it on here before :greengrin

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I was once told, during a discussion about Trump, that I had been brainwashed by fake news from mainstream media. I was then told to look up QAnon and read up about the Clinton Body Count. I did and was astonished at some of the absolute bullsh*t folk end up believing. Since then I’ve developed an extreme dislike of conspiracy theorists, one of the reasons I gave that moron Slavers such a hard time on here.

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What would you do if you had her job?

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I wouldn't take her job, I know her boss and I'm against Brexit which basically ripped up the EU deal that ensured France had a duty of responsibility to stop illegal immigrants crossing the channel. Why would I take a job with a government that I disagree with on almost every level?

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

What would you do if you had her job?

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What point are you trying to make? Be direct.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

What would you do if you had her job?

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I wouldn't be making policy on the basis of pissing off my opponents.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

What point are you trying to make? Be direct.

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It was a question not making a point. The clue is in the question mark at the end

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

It was a question not making a point. The clue is in the question mark at the end

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What would you do if you had her job?

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Originally Posted by Kato

What would you do if you had her job?

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Id do the same as her and try and put a stop to it

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

It was a question not making a point. The clue is in the question mark at the end

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What do you think about her weird comments to her fellow MPs?

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

What do you think about her weird comments to her fellow MPs?

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I havnt seen them

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

I havnt seen them

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The link is a few posts ago.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Just checking, that district is solidly Republican white blue collar territory, got 72% of the vote last time. So that’s an actual Q cult devotee guaranteed for a place in the Senate.

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Are you referring to this lunatic?

https://youtu.be/Xvuz5o8yfvQ

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

Are you referring to this lunatic?

https://youtu.be/Xvuz5o8yfvQ

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The best bit there was when the anchor says ‘We laugh at this NOW, but...’
This is the future of the Republican Party unless the old WASPy establishment gets off its ass and does something about it.

WASP = White Anglo Saxon Protestant


I suppose it makes a change from 'the Jews are pulling the strings'


:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

WASP = White Anglo Saxon Protestant


I suppose it makes a change from 'the Jews are pulling the strings'


:rolleyes:

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The traditional American establishment. Kennedy was the sole Catholic president, and, sadly, many Southern Democrats voted against him because of his religion. Al Smith, a Catholic, ran against Herbert Hoover in 1928 and was subjected to a vicious sectarian campaign, accused of his loyalty being to Rome rather than Washington. After his defeat he said to the press, "I guess this country isn't ready for a Catholic in the White House".

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WASP = White Anglo Saxon Protestant


I suppose it makes a change from 'the Jews are pulling the strings'


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Its not a pejorative description :dunno: The Republican Party was born out of that genuinely conservative Protestantism brought by European immigrants to the industrial NE of the USA. In UK terms you’d call it One Nation Conservatism. It’s also a big part of the schism between the North and South that led to the civil war, super distrustful of the evangelical South. Just about all your early presidents were from that tradition.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

Id do the same as her and try and put a stop to it

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Why do you want to put a stop to it?

(I take it that the "it" we're talking about is the refugees attempting to get into the UK by risking their lives on small dinghies in the English Channel).

Why don't you want refugees to be allowed to enter the UK?

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

And Patel proving it, right on cue ...

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She is, as my granny would have said, a nasty piece of work.

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Originally Posted by Future17

She is, as my granny would have said, a nasty piece of work.

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Your granny was a sharp one and is bang on the money.

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She is, as my granny would have said, a nasty piece of work.

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Your granny was very polite. Mine would have said "she's a right f****** Tory b*****d :greengrin

Every edition of Question Time with Robin Day, she would shout "Tory *******" at the telly.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

The best bit there was when the anchor says ‘We laugh at this NOW, but...’
This is the future of the Republican Party unless the old WASPy establishment gets off its ass and does something about it.

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It's born of desperation. In the past forty years, since Reagan was elected, millions of Americans have been dispossessed and are angry. They are drowning in debt, yet they voted for their own demise. Sadly, their culture is dominated by the lowest common denominator: don't analyse the systemic failings, just lash out at the weakest, so deflecting from real analysis. It's rather like The Sun and Daily Mail here telling us that social problems are totally disconnected from the policy causes. Lash out and condemn, don't analyse. There are plenty of idiots who accept the narrative: treat the symptom, not the cause; thus they continue to dig their own grave.

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It's born of desperation. In the past forty years, since Reagan was elected, millions of Americans have been dispossessed and are angry. They are drowning in debt, yet they voted for their own demise. Sadly, their culture is dominated by the lowest common denominator: don't analyse the systemic failings, just lash out at the weakest, so deflecting from real analysis. It's rather like The Sun and Daily Mail here telling us that social problems are totally disconnected from the policy causes. Lash out and condemn, don't analyse. There are plenty of idiots who accept the narrative: treat the symptom, not the cause; thus they continue to dig their own grave.

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I mentioned earlier in the thread, the blue collar paradox. Voting for the very people who moved their jobs to Mexico and the Far East.

I just don’t know how to break that cycle.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

It's born of desperation. In the past forty years, since Reagan was elected, millions of Americans have been dispossessed and are angry. They are drowning in debt, yet they voted for their own demise. Sadly, their culture is dominated by the lowest common denominator: don't analyse the systemic failings, just lash out at the weakest, so deflecting from real analysis. It's rather like The Sun and Daily Mail here telling us that social problems are totally disconnected from the policy causes. Lash out and condemn, don't analyse. There are plenty of idiots who accept the narrative: treat the symptom, not the cause; thus they continue to dig their own grave.

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Delete Reagan and paste Thatcher and you have the UK.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Delete Reagan and paste Thatcher and you have the UK.

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:agree: More so, if anything.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Delete Reagan and paste Thatcher and you have the UK.

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I'm not so sure. America doesn't have the class distinctions and tradition of democratic socialism that we have. Of course Thatcher also played the divide and rule game to the hilt, but she did face massive (though ultimately unsuccessful) resistance in many parts of the UK. Central Scotland, Northern England and South Wales fought Thatcherism tooth and nail. As a wee boy I remember the collections for the miners in 1984-85 and the feeling of solidarity against an alien government. You were either for her or against her; there was no compromise. America doesn't seem to have that tradition; not since the organised left was destroyed in the 1920s. Reagan didn't face the same opposition as Thatcher. I still hate her and her philosophy, as i remember the hardship well, though it did bring out the best in people in this part of the world.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

Id do the same as her and try and put a stop to it

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Try to put a stop to the left not being in meltdown?

She doesn't care if there are asylum seekers in the country or not. It has no bearing on her whatsoever. If she does invoke some kind of policy or new practice it'll be a rotten attempt at looking tough against foreign people with complicated forms and some coke addict numbos getting to wear a uniform for a private security firm.

A huge xenophobic distraction for bigots to salivate over.

Its weird, at this moment in history in quite a few countries, that the ultra rich can persuade the poor that those with nothing are the cause of their problems. Absolute mugs.

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Originally Posted by grunt

Why do you want to put a stop to it?

(I take it that the "it" we're talking about is the refugees attempting to get into the UK by risking their lives on small dinghies in the English Channel).

Why don't you want refugees to be allowed to enter the UK?

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They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.

I see he's now latching on to the 'birther' theories again, this time with Harris.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...ice-president/


Presumably he's appealing to the racist side of some voters who can't accept a mixed race candidate.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.

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WOW!!!!

They are refugees from war, famine and pestilence, passing through France in the mistaken belief that Britain is the land of milk and honey. Had the Tories not pushed through Brexit, France would actually be helping to stop them crossing the Channel, now they don't need to.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Had the Tories not pushed through Brexit, France would actually be helping to stop them crossing the Channel, now they don't need to.

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:tsk tsk: People knew what they were voting for, to Give Up Control.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.

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Why don't you want the refugees to come to the UK?

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.

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Why should France have to look after them and we don’t?

And don’t just say the English Channel.

The U.K. quite frankly dodges it’s obligations to house refugees. Countries like the Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey (who are least placed to deal with them, bear the brunt).

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Why should France have to look after them and we don’t?

And don’t just say the English Channel.

The U.K. quite frankly dodges it’s obligations to house refugees. Countries like the Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey (who are least placed to deal with them, bear the brunt).

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Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.

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Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.

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Why don't you want the refugees to come to the UK?

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Why don't you want the refugees to come to the UK?

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I already said I don't see an issue with allowing some refugees to come here. Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are they

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I already said I don't see an issue with allowing some refugees to come here. Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are they

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What are they?

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What are they?

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Some actual refugees and some chancers pretending to be refugees

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WOW!!!!

They are refugees from war, famine and pestilence, passing through France in the mistaken belief that Britain is the land of milk and honey. Had the Tories not pushed through Brexit, France would actually be helping to stop them crossing the Channel, now they don't need to.

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Yet the French stopped 10 times as many attempted boat crossings last month compared to 2019.

The UK and France also agreed last month to a joint intelligence unit on people smuggling networks and are in active talks on a revised plan to try and stop the boat crossing routes being used.

Also France is still obliged to be following the EU agreed rules with the UK through 2020.

Still Brexit n all that.

The fact is that these migrants, some of who will be genuine asylum seekers, others simply economic migrants, are being exploited by criminal gangs profiting from people trafficking with zero regard to any laws or the safety of the people they are smuggling.

No matter what you think of the UK’s asylum process that type of profiteering and disregard for life should never be supported.

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I already said I don't see an issue with allowing some refugees to come here. Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are they

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We take less refugees than most other countries. How many is "some"? And why not more than just "some"?

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Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are they

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Some actual refugees and some chancers pretending to be refugees

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How do we know this if we just send the navy to turn them round? (Answer: we don't, but it's comforting to your narrative to assume they are).

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We take less refugees than most other countries. How many is "some"? And why not more than just "some"?

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A few thousand would be some.

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Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.

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Fact, or Hibs.net fact.

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Fact, or Hibs.net fact.

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It's a fact that can't be argued.

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A few thousand would be some.

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According to UK government figures in the year to September 2019 the UK resettled 238 refugees.

The UK report card reads "must do better"

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It's a fact that can't be argued.

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Because you said so.

Not believing that.

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Because you said so.

Not believing that.

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Whatever, don't give a **** if your believing it or not. The government know the score and that's the main thing

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Whatever, don't give a **** if your believing it or not. The government know the score and that's the main thing

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Any comments on the low numbers of refugees that this great country has resettled?

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Any comments on the low numbers of refugees that this great country has resettled?

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Hard to find an exact figure but I'm seeing 15000 if that's accurate then I'd say that's pretty reasonable

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Any comments on the low numbers of refugees that this great country has resettled?

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Depends on how you measure low.

The actual figures on numbers being granted asylum have grown substantially over the last decade and last year saw the highest number yet.

Here’s some figures to digest and help inform:


https://www.gov.uk/government/public...and-protection

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Depends on how you measure low.

The actual figures on numbers being granted asylum have grown substantially over the last decade and last year saw the highest number yet.

Here’s some figures to digest and help inform:


https://www.gov.uk/government/public...and-protection

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That is informative, particularly this part:

"The UK received a number of applications equivalent to the 5th largest of the EU member states in year ending September 2019; this would equate to the 19th largest per head of the population."

Which seems to support the assertion that UK levels are low.

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Yet the French stopped 10 times as many attempted boat crossings last month compared to 2019.

The UK and France also agreed last month to a joint intelligence unit on people smuggling networks and are in active talks on a revised plan to try and stop the boat crossing routes being used.

Also France is still obliged to be following the EU agreed rules with the UK through 2020.

Still Brexit n all that.

The fact is that these migrants, some of who will be genuine asylum seekers, others simply economic migrants, are being exploited by criminal gangs profiting from people trafficking with zero regard to any laws or the safety of the people they are smuggling.

No matter what you think of the UK’s asylum process that type of profiteering and disregard for life should never be supported.

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The reason there's currently so many boat crossings is a side effect of covid - less lorries crossing at the moment and the ones that are are complying with safety restrictions.

Rubber boats and lorry cabins are no way for anyone to travel. There needs to be a legitimate route like a ferry that will bring over the people that are granted asylum and the people that are rejected will just have to make do with France. Its not so bad over there.

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Rubber boats and lorry cabins are no way for anyone to travel. There needs to be a legitimate route like a ferry that will bring over the people that are granted asylum and the people that are rejected will just have to make do with France. Its not so bad over there.

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:rolleyes:

Try doing some homework before proving your ignorance

https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us...AEgIG3_D_BwE##

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-d...-and-migrants/

https://observatoryihr.org/blog/the-...k-their-lives/

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The problem is that asylum applications must be made on British soil. Incongruously, in order to be permitted to even request to live in a place of safety, stability, and opportunity, you have to already be there. Asylum seekers can enter the UK in one of two ways. The first option is to fly in and claim asylum upon arrival. Yet for every country that an asylum seeker is likely to have travelled from, a visa is required to enter the UK. And the government advises against granting an applicant a visa if:

the political, economic and security situation in the applicant’s country of residence, including whether it is politically unstable, a conflict zone or at risk of becoming one, leads to doubts about their intention to leave the UK at the end of their visit

In other words, if it’s suspected that a person might be seeking entry to apply for asylum, their visa application will almost certainly be rejected. To be allowed in, the UK has to be confident you will leave. The upshot is that the only safe, legitimate way to enter the UK in order to seek asylum is blocked.

That leaves just one option: would-be asylum seekers must enlist smugglers, at considerable cost and risk, to help them to move across borders without detection. Their attempts to reach the UK necessarily require them to break laws, and hand over their life savings to criminal networks who can offer no certainty about whether they’ll arrive alive. The odds are never good.

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https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html

And it's not just the UK and Europe.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/851992131822

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:rolleyes:

Try doing some homework before proving your ignorance

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Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

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Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

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Well articulated response. I feel myself being swayed towards your point of view now.

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Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

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Thank you for then enlightened insight into how your mind works. Reduced to personal insults because you were proved wrong is not the way to engage in serious debate.

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Thank you for then enlightened insight into how your mind works. Reduced to personal insults because you were proved wrong is not the way to engage in serious debate.

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I replied in the same tone as you do you can dry yer eyes and drop the serious debate patter.

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Some actual refugees and some chancers pretending to be refugees

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If you "chanced" your own death on a rubber ring across the sea just to get to another country, wouldn't you suspect that whatever you were running from was worse than death?

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What are they running from that's so bad in france, its a fantastic country. Great food, better weather than here. Its a modern European country its not worse than death at all.

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What are they running from that's so bad in france, its a fantastic country. Great food, better weather than here. Its a modern European country its not worse than death at all.

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It's fair to have different views on the topic, but what a horrible response this is. Devoid of any compassion or empathy for those who are fleeing their country for a safer or better life. Do you think they want to be in this position? Do you not think they they wish for a safe or secure future in their homeland?

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What are they running from that's so bad in france, its a fantastic country. Great food, better weather than here. Its a modern European country its not worse than death at all.

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You obviously don't understand the conditions that refugees have to endure in the camps such as the Jungle near Calais. Full and overflowing with no proper sanitation or water supply. A leaking dinghy is deemed to be preferable to that.

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Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

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I think making posts without knowing the facts or checking the authenticity of what you're claiming is the definition of being a flatulent ring piece.

Note: This post was made without checking the authenticity of my claim and the Oxford Dictionary may actually give a different definition of "Flatulent Ring Piece".

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I think making posts without knowing the facts or checking the authenticity of what you're claiming is the definition of being a flatulent ring piece.

Note: This post was made without checking the authenticity of my claim and the Oxford Dictionary may actually give a different definition of "Flatulent Ring Piece".

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https://youtu.be/JWIRcv1pnYo

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https://youtu.be/JWIRcv1pnYo

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I stand corrected, you can't argue with the University of YouTube. I've learned on here recently that it's an even more elite place of education than, Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard and Princeton put together.

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I think making posts without knowing the facts or checking the authenticity of what you're claiming is the definition of being a flatulent ring piece.

Note: This post was made without checking the authenticity of my claim and the Oxford Dictionary may actually give a different definition of "Flatulent Ring Piece".

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Right on cue, the pontiff has spoken

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Right on cue, the pontiff has spoken

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Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

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Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

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Reported for papist indoctrination :greengrin

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Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

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Have I stumbled onto Follow Follow?

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Have I stumbled onto Follow Follow?

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They don’t stumble on Follow Follow, they walk.....

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Reported for papist indoctrination :greengrin

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:greengrin

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Have I stumbled onto Follow Follow?

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:greengrin
Is it on your favourites list?

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Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

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You should post in Latin more often