At least a £50k fine, same as rangers got for going into admin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Rangers also got fined for bringing the game into disrepute which I reckon hearts have also done.
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At least a £50k fine, same as rangers got for going into admin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Rangers also got fined for bringing the game into disrepute which I reckon hearts have also done.
Won't they just sign out of contract players from Feb 1st? Another non punishment from SFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish
Peter A Smith @PeterAdamSmith 3m
No financial penalty for Hearts, but registration embargo is extended to January 31, 2014. More on http://stv.tv/news
They can, however the standard of out of contract players available on 1st of Feb is pretty low. It would be nice if it was extended to the summer but I am OK with the embargo at least covering that window. Most contracts run summer to summer at least so that should limit the players they can choose from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
STV news
I wasn't expecting much more to be fair.Quote:
Heart of Midlothian have been barred for registering new players until February 2014 by the Scottish FA
The decision was reached at Hampden on Thursday is punishment for the club entering administration.
The embargo will bar the club from registered players over the age of 21 until the end of the January transfer window.
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/h...dministration/
This little ditty from the STV story may be relevant, there is also a registration embargo from the SPL or whatever it's called now, for going into admin, which lasts while they are subject to admin proceedings:
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The automatic sanctions imposed by the SPL, now rebranded at the SPFL, were a 15 point penalty for the season ahead, plus a registration embargo for the duration of the administration.
They'll be gone by then so no need to worry about the finer details.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickShoes
Fining a club that's in Administration is pointless, if they get sold it's a fairly paltry sum to cover and if they get liquidated it'll just go unpaid. I'm pleased with this news personally. Hearts now have to get to the end of the season on what they claim is a squad of only 20 players and start with -15 point deduction.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7062
Not many players have contracts that end mid season. Easier to do it the Sevco way than getting out of contract players halfway through a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
It's all a little bit like taking away a terminally ill patient's jazz mag. Isn't going to effect the outcome in any way, but every little bit of misery heaped on, is, one supposes, to be welcomed.
And obviously in this case, as the material in question is probably representations of minors, it's morally all to the good.
Agreed. Would've preferred a transfer ban until the end of the season, but it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Do you think they won't talk to players until Feb 1st? They will identify them the same as other clubs but just won't be able to register them till Feb 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickShoes
It would be laughable if it wasn't so blatant but the SFA really do excel at issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments.' The SFA has absolutely no gravitas or authority in this country, they are useless.
I think maybe I was hoping for news that might have gone some way to finishing them off. This way they limp on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Good things come to those who wait.
To someone buying the club, it's now worth a lot less knowing you are starting on -15 points and with a transfer embargo. That will likely affect how much Massone is prepared to bid :wink: relegation is an absolute stick in nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
That's all that was ever going to happen. Ensures they completely stop their financial doping until they eventually die.
They might pick up a couple of our rejects as we have a habit of releasing players in the last couple of hours of the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Means the football authorities hands are clean and when the eventually go pop they will take no blame.
If you are a non yam this is realistically the best outcome. People who thought that the SFA would send them to the chair live in a fantasy world.
Their current squad is the one they will now have to do with for the whole season. A small fine would have given them a sporting chance had they been able to recruit in January with a chance of avoiding relegation.
All of the above is based on them avoiding liquidation.
They won't be able to transfer a registration from another club on the 1st Feb tho. Will only be out ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Contract players they can sign up
Signing ban or not - they have no money..
Looks like if they are still around by January they will have to make do with the kids they have right now plus the few older players that took pay cuts.
If they had been fined today the SFA would have been seen to put a major dent in their existence as they are currently on life support. A 50k fine wouldn't have changed much.
As a yam I would be praying they get no injuries / suspensions - along with praying they aren't liquidated in the near future. :na na:
Can they still sign under 21's during the ban?
Other clubs can sign players who have contracts in January. The Yams can't sign ANYONE who is under contract not in February, not in March not until at least the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Not sure, I thought they could, but on a one in, one out basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFupper
Or have I just made that up?
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STV news says under 21 ban also extended until the end of the Jan window.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFupper
So basically they can sign anyone under 21 who is out of contract if they exit administration is my take on it.
No registrations permitted whilst in administration.
I still think they will not be able to sign anybody whatsoever, ragardless of age, until a CVA is agreed and exit administration:
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/h...dministration/Quote:
Can Hearts sign players?
Hearts are subject to an immediate SPL registration embargo as a result of going into administration. This means they can not sign new players, including Danny Wilson, who was announced as a pre-contract signing from Liverpool earlier in June.
This embargo will transfer over into the SPFL and will not be lifted until it can be proven Hearts are no longer in administration or subject to an insolvency event as per league rules.
Hearts are currently under a separate registration embargo from the SPL for failing to pay players on time.
edit: of course the DW part of the story is now not applicable to them!
Yes, just another fairly hefty straw on the back of this particularly humpy camel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Agree. Ultimately as is often the case, the actual individuals directly responsible for the mismanagement are gone. A punishment is therefore affecting individuals who had no direct control over the infringement. In the long run hitting the club with points penalties, signings etc hit the team on the park. As clubs and their supporters begin to realize this, they might start taking a more objective, and proactive stance on how their club spends money - and who is in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Copied from over the road but looks good to me
From now until we exit admin - no signings
When we exit admin until 31 Dec - we can sign u21 players who were out of contract by end of current transfer window
1 - 31 Jan (assuming out of admin) - we can sign any u21 player
After 31 Jan until summer transfer window - we can sign any player out of contract before 31 Jan
Clear as mud! :top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalkeith
On top of that, though, if they exit administration this year, the new owner will have the football debt to pay. £500k at last count, which would make it difficult to pay much in wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalkeith
http://news.stv.tv/east-central/2347...ottery-ticket/
The YAMs can't even win the lottery :greengrin
Of course they will only have this to worry about if they can actually agree a CVA and exit admin before the window opens in January and thus avoid being liquidated........:cb
Yep. If the bookies priced up the punishment , embargo till jan 31st would have been odds on fav.
Plus most of them tend to be ham shanks. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
David Southern has been in charge for about 3 years now & telling lies for most of that time. He has been complicit in much of the wrongdoing & yet he has not been subject to any sanction. I also think they could have been fined, at present they have cash though it may not last long.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcarter1
They can basically loan as many under 21 players they like in Janaury then, assuming they reach then?
I was kinda hoping the SFA would have gone nuclear, and taken away trophies won during madvlad's tenure.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7062
A 50k finw owuldn't have meant much. The signing ban's as good as it was likely to get.
But there are ways round bans ... if there is a way round this one, the cretins will find it. Danny Wilson, anyone?
Posted this on the Heriot Watt thread but wanted to share in this one also....
Apologies if discussed already but in 7 days the bid for the National Performance Centre will be presented - see website http://goedinburgh2016.com/
If you look at this link http://goedinburgh2016.com/location-and-facilities/ - Heriot Watt are involved and Hearts are to get grass pitches (plus I'm sure use of a full size 11 v 11 pitch if they needed it also!)
While I agree Edinburgh needs better sports facilities the bid smells of yamness....the people backing the bid all being yams..Hastings...Hoy...Stewart..
Surely this can't be allowed to slip under the radar?
They are going to have to be lucky to avoid relegation IMO.
It wont as i am on the case now Letters and Emails :not worthQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
That's not how the summaries above read? Looked like under 21 players are allowed if they are out of admin at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by calmacuk
Edit:
Hearts have been issued with a new registration embargo for going into administration.
A Scottish FA judicial panel has imposed a ban on signing new players aged 21 and over until 1 February.
The club cannot sign any player at the moment due to an automatic registration embargo which kicked in when they entered administration.
So, they managed to get Ngoo and Wilson in the same circumstances last year, and they did make some difference.
Edinburgh is up against strong (and better IMHO) bids from Stirling and DundeeQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
:faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by sidneyhibbie
I don't think Dundee will get it and Stirling have an Academy already - but Stirling's location may help.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
I just find it sly the yams have been included on the list of facilities - basically getting a free training facility ?!
EEN tonight reports that the latest embargo will be a blow to Gary Cock as they've only 2 registered players over 21....hmmm
their goalie, Stevenson and Hamill. that's 3 I can think of. sure there's more.
usual crap reporting from them.
need to read quickerQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
That was a misprint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
It was really 'they've only two players on the register over 21.'
on sickbag now,there are some getting hopes up that they can re-sign webster or zalplukeus. stating they are still registered hearts players? seemingly webster training with them today. o & the usual rudi coming back in febuary,these canutes never learn?
So they think these players are gonna sit on their hands for 6 months just so they can play for their beloved hearts for a few hundred pounds a weekQuote:
Originally Posted by andudare2
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Originally Posted by andudare2
They obviously can't READ either. The signing ban and having no money should be obvious as it's all over the News.
Oops, I forgot, that's all just Hibby Propaganda.
Mmmhh, it's not like Hearts to get mixed up about age related legal issues :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
So. Is the rule still around that stipulates a 10pt deduction if you're in admin at the start of the season?
Nope. It's worse. They think because these players (with the exception of Satchel) were last registered for Hearts then those would simply be seen as contract extensions and not new registrations. They are all eejits who clearly do not understand the concept of players being "out of contract" or being a "free agent". They're clutching at straws.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
I'm waiting on them realising Richard Branson has supported Hearts all his life and has been so busy he didn't hear the news so now he's going to generally gift £100m of his hard earned to keep them alive.
Going back to the Creditors List and of course the poor victims (ie the REAL victims) who have been left high and dry by the callous ruthless financial doping regime at Hearts...
Out of interest were Buckstone Roofing among the creditors?
Even if not for money, the MD Scott Cockburn will presumably be looking for his urine back after David Southern took the utter p!ss out of him as recently as 16-7 in this "call to arms to the Edinburgh Business community" (remember those days Mr Southern)
http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_3239826
With "quotes" like these, I'll not be using Buckstone Roofing at Springbank Towers any time soon!!!
£100 for childcare vouchers haha
I was hoping for a full ban till the end of the season, all trophies won in the last 10 years rescinded and the result of WW1 reversed.
intersting that birch just said on news that there is a good chance they will still br in admin in jan
Na, endlich!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
:singing:
Deutsch-land, Deutschland,
Ü-ber aaaa-les.
:singing:
Eilidh Barbour on STV news seemed to be giving PF a harder time than her soft soap interview with the soon to be admin-ed Hearts high heid yin David Southern.
Just to be clear Bajillions what has happened to Webster's registration. Has it expired? Is it due to expire? Is it just sitting there until he registers elsewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
The SFA listed Andy Webster as "unattached" when Strachan picked him for the Scotland squad a couple of weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...6&newsID=12197
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Goalkeepers
Matt Gilks (Blackpool)
David Marshall (Cardiff City)
Allan McGregor (Hull City)
Defenders
Gordon Greer (Brighton and Hove Albion)
Steven Hammell (Motherwell)
Grant Hanley (Blackburn Rovers)
Alan Hutton (Aston Villa)
Russell Martin (Norwich City)
Charlie Mulgrew (Celtic)
Andy Webster (Unattached)
Steven Whittaker (Norwich City)
Midfielders
Charlie Adam (Stoke City)
Barry Bannan (Aston Villa)
George Boyd (Hull City)
Liam Bridcutt (Brighton and Hove Albion)
Chris Burke (Birmingham City)
Scott Brown (Celtic)
Craig Conway (Cardiff City)
Graham Dorrans (West Bromwich Albion)
James Forrest (Celtic)
Gary Mackay-Steven (Dundee United)
James McArthur (Wigan Athletic)
James Morrison (West Bromwich Albion)
Steven Naismith (Everton)
Robert Snodgrass (Norwich City)
Forwards
Leigh Griffiths (Wolverhampton Wanderers)
Shaun Maloney (Wigan Athletic)
Kenny Miller (Vancouver Whitecaps)
Jordan Rhodes (Blackburn Rovers)
Normally a club registers a player until a certain date. Typically this would be the 31st of May, 30th of June or in some rare cases the 31st of July. It's highly unlikely Hearts will still have a valid registration for Webster. Using Yam logic if his registration is still valid then so is his contract so he would be due the same wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
Im on the case with this now guys Emails and a hard copy letter being posted tonight demanding an explanation of exactly the situation with Webster also im getting into BDO Tomorrow as this extra wage is not in best interest of the creditors/victims of this giant scam/cover up.
Sidney :hnet:
:not worth
You're either insane, a Yam, or you haven't ever said anything remotely amusing before so you're repeating exactly the same thing over and over again to milk it for all its worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidneyhibbie
I hope you're just insane.
:yawn:Quote:
Originally Posted by sidneyhibbie
Gaun yersel hissing Sid. Get them sorted oot!Quote:
Originally Posted by sidneyhibbie
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
:hmmm: ...... must be, he's trying to put used stamps on his e-mails. :brokenyam:
What would be the point in fining Hearts? The fine would just be added to the pile of debt they'll never pay anyway. A registration ban until February is most pleasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7062
If they had been fined today it would have had to be paid because the fine would have been incurred after the company entered administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Todd
Rangers are moaning about the unfairness of it all, missing the point that their total registration ban related to Whyte and the club bringing the game into disrepute, rather than the fact of going into administration. Rangers were fined £50,000 for entering administration (the charge Hearts faced today).
The SFA seem to be taking the attitude that imposing a fixed term restriction on signings is a "smarter" punishment for entering administration than imposing a fine. The decision is (more or less) consistent with Dunfermline and imposes a real handicap on Hearts, assuming they can exit administration before then.
Thanks mate all support is welcome and i like the Hissing Sid name its cool. When you study the list of creditors who have been bumped it is a disgrace that they are even thinking about adding to the wage Bill with WebsterQuote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
They will have played 25 games by the time Feb comes round and when they can sign players over 21.
With a -15 point start and a bunch of kids and a manager who is very inexperienced they will need a miracle to stay in the league! That's if they make it to Feb!
Another laugh out loud moment. Sidney, yer some dude!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sidneyhibbie
Rangers whinging about the punishment hearts got. Bunch of bairns.
Has anyone seen Campbell Ogilvie in the room that holds the registrations by any chance?:cbQuote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
And the reason why a paltry £150k debt is something that could easily be forgotten if the adverse publicity of chasing it might harm a lucrative grant award?...I'm guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
"there is one rule for our club and another for everyone else."Quote:
Originally Posted by Antwerphibs
Ain't that the truth? :rolleyes:
McCrae’s BattalionTrust £100
LadyHaig’s PoppyFactory £185
Dearie me
That was all a misunderstanding, the money was merely resting in that account. Or the cheque was in the post. Or it's simply not true. (This 'non-existent' debt has apparently now been settled by some of the more decent Hearts fans, well done to them.)Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day
Check out how much they owe their own charity. :wink:
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Originally Posted by One Day
This has been cleared up on another thread.
Yeah, that's what I thought. From memory, all rangers fines were about £200k in total - bringing game into disrepute is the only other I can remember, but I think there were others too. If hearts received such a fine(s) today that had to be paid on coming out of admin it would have made things even tighter than it already is (maybe) gonna be for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
Has it though? The yam-in-denial Jack Alexander has said there never were any debts to those two organisations, and that BDO have made a mistake. But another, self-confessed, yam claims to have paid the debt out of his own pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
Who to beLIEve? :dunno:
Scott Wilson due cash too. Dear oh dear!
didn't realise Fannies could be owed money.
Licking stamps will be a nice change from windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbymac
Just saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day
. :trumpet:Quote:
So the new season is almost upon us now, and our most difficult campaign awaits.
Without trying to over dramatize our current predicament it's difficult not to draw some kind of parallel with Mccraes Battalion.
I see Sidney is already on the case, he is our Radar :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
Ironically Scott is a hibbyQuote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Maybee i am a little bit different but my cause is true :flag:Glory Glory and i like to think i add a bit of colour to :hnet: i get dogs abuse but my path and mission will stay the same the destruction of the yam fuds and the closure of the PBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdhibees1
My pen will be mightier than the sword.
Sidney:not worth
:confused:Its not difficult to draw comparisons? WTF ? I know the a football team kept the Macraes Batallion Trusts' money but has someone stolen the Yams charity donations as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunderhall
Ach it's just a bit of banter. Keep up the good work inspector Sid:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by sidneyhibbie
http://img153.imageshack.us/edit_pre...&action=rotate
Nah, no further stealing, it doesn't get any better though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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Whilst players from HMFC, other clubs, and their supporters signed up in their droves to fight for king and country, and many making the ultimate sacrifice. One can only applaud the huge financial sacrifice that so many have made and continue to make through this terrible period in our clubs history.
Heroic stories of kids handing over their holiday money, people auctioning off their treasured memorabilia, the effort and time selflessly given by the many fundraisers.
Seen this on Twitter from FOH
@The_FoH: We are hearing suggestions that tomorrow's @edinburghpaper will be issuing a special rallying call to #createhistory #intriguing ;-)
Wonder what our impartial local rag has planned?
Suggestion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zondervan
they have been nothing but a mouthpiece for FoH.
They might as well have done an #allisbarry and twatted : special rallying cause for FoH, see today's EN.
A call to all Hearts fans and players to enlist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zondervan
I posted this last week without naming her and got pelters. Confused.com :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by PapillonVert
I was informed she was putting up the capital for the PBS renting it for a small fee till a new location is found in the future ( i'll whisper it, council/sports scotland etc) then she'll make a pretty penny selling the dump. And as i said, I HOPE IT'S BULL
We need a Q&A Session with sidney
Favourite film - You've got mail
Favourite song - Return to Sender
etc!
Is he? He seems to have been quoted a few times in a positive way about the yams.........perhaps I am not as close as others due to geography...Quote:
Originally Posted by JAY-ESS GREEN
No way - as in exclamation, not as in questioning you!Quote:
Originally Posted by JAY-ESS GREEN
In that case, he should definitely be chewing David Southern out over that press release, utter tripe from the Gorgie Goebbels and didn't do Buckstone Roofing too many favours!
...shortly before being left out of pocket by the mothership...Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Thanks mate for the support the local postie knows me well by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdhibees1
They have a thread on KB about Rangers not being happy about Hearts "preferential treatment", one quote, from Livingstonjambo I found absolutely unbelievable
"FFS they just dont get it do they. Both ourselves and Dunfermline just ran out of money whilst trying to meet our outgoings however The Rangers actively avoided paying VAT/NIC and PAYE......":rolleyes:
Most of them well and truly deserve everything that is coming their way.
Risible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray-in-ireland
Sounds better in a Michael Palin voice.Quote:
Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish
Wizzibul.
We-wease Wudi!!