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[CropleyWasGod]

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Fining a club that's in Administration is pointless, if they get sold it's a fairly paltry sum to cover and if they get liquidated it'll just go unpaid. I'm pleased with this news personally. Hearts now have to get to the end of the season on what they claim is a squad of only 20 players and start with -15 point deduction.

Agreed. Would've preferred a transfer ban until the end of the season, but it makes sense.

[Spike Mandela]

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They can, however the standard of out of contract players available on 1st of Feb is pretty low. It would be nice if it was extended to the summer but I am OK with the embargo at least covering that window. Most contracts run summer to summer at least so that should limit the players they can choose from.

Do you think they won't talk to players until Feb 1st? They will identify them the same as other clubs but just won't be able to register them till Feb 1st.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so blatant but the SFA really do excel at issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments.' The SFA has absolutely no gravitas or authority in this country, they are useless.

[7062]

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Fining a club that's in Administration is pointless, if they get sold it's a fairly paltry sum to cover and if they get liquidated it'll just go unpaid. I'm pleased with this news personally. Hearts now have to get to the end of the season on what they claim is a squad of only 20 players and start with -15 point deduction.

I think maybe I was hoping for news that might have gone some way to finishing them off. This way they limp on.

Good things come to those who wait.

[Gus Fring]

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It's all a little bit like taking away a terminally ill patient's jazz mag. Isn't going to effect the outcome in any way, but every little bit of misery heaped on, is, one supposes, to be welcomed. And obviously in this case, as the material in question is probably representations of minors, it's morally all to the good.

To someone buying the club, it's now worth a lot less knowing you are starting on -15 points and with a transfer embargo. That will likely affect how much Massone is prepared to bid relegation is an absolute stick in now

[God Petrie]

That's all that was ever going to happen. Ensures they completely stop their financial doping until they eventually die.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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Not many players have contracts that end mid season. Easier to do it the Sevco way than getting out of contract players halfway through a season.

They might pick up a couple of our rejects as we have a habit of releasing players in the last couple of hours of the window.

[Ozyhibby]

Means the football authorities hands are clean and when the eventually go pop they will take no blame.

[Treadstone]

If you are a non yam this is realistically the best outcome. People who thought that the SFA would send them to the chair live in a fantasy world.
Their current squad is the one they will now have to do with for the whole season. A small fine would have given them a sporting chance had they been able to recruit in January with a chance of avoiding relegation.
All of the above is based on them avoiding liquidation.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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Do you think they won't talk to players until Feb 1st? They will identify them the same as other clubs but just won't be able to register them till Feb 1st.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so blatant but the SFA really do excel at issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments.' The SFA has absolutely no gravitas or authority in this country, they are useless.

They won't be able to transfer a registration from another club on the 1st Feb tho. Will only be out of
Contract players they can sign up

[GreenCastle]

Signing ban or not - they have no money..

Looks like if they are still around by January they will have to make do with the kids they have right now plus the few older players that took pay cuts.

If they had been fined today the SFA would have been seen to put a major dent in their existence as they are currently on life support. A 50k fine wouldn't have changed much.

As a yam I would be praying they get no injuries / suspensions - along with praying they aren't liquidated in the near future.

[FFupper]

Can they still sign under 21's during the ban?

[Treadstone]

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Do you think they won't talk to players until Feb 1st? They will identify them the same as other clubs but just won't be able to register them till Feb 1st.

Other clubs can sign players who have contracts in January. The Yams can't sign ANYONE who is under contract not in February, not in March not until at least the end of the season.

[Bristolhibby]

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Can they still sign under 21's during the ban?

Not sure, I thought they could, but on a one in, one out basis.

Or have I just made that up?

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[Dunderhall]

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Can they still sign under 21's during the ban?

STV news says under 21 ban also extended until the end of the Jan window.
So basically they can sign anyone under 21 who is out of contract if they exit administration is my take on it.
No registrations permitted whilst in administration.

[robinp]

I still think they will not be able to sign anybody whatsoever, ragardless of age, until a CVA is agreed and exit administration:

Can Hearts sign players?

Hearts are subject to an immediate SPL registration embargo as a result of going into administration. This means they can not sign new players, including Danny Wilson, who was announced as a pre-contract signing from Liverpool earlier in June.

This embargo will transfer over into the SPFL and will not be lifted until it can be proven Hearts are no longer in administration or subject to an insolvency event as per league rules.

Hearts are currently under a separate registration embargo from the SPL for failing to pay players on time.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/h...dministration/

edit: of course the DW part of the story is now not applicable to them!

[Dashing Bob S]

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To someone buying the club, it's now worth a lot less knowing you are starting on -15 points and with a transfer embargo. That will likely affect how much Massone is prepared to bid relegation is an absolute stick in now

Yes, just another fairly hefty straw on the back of this particularly humpy camel.

[rcarter1]

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Fining a club that's in Administration is pointless, if they get sold it's a fairly paltry sum to cover and if they get liquidated it'll just go unpaid. I'm pleased with this news personally. Hearts now have to get to the end of the season on what they claim is a squad of only 20 players and start with -15 point deduction.

Agree. Ultimately as is often the case, the actual individuals directly responsible for the mismanagement are gone. A punishment is therefore affecting individuals who had no direct control over the infringement. In the long run hitting the club with points penalties, signings etc hit the team on the park. As clubs and their supporters begin to realize this, they might start taking a more objective, and proactive stance on how their club spends money - and who is in charge.

[Dalkeith]

Copied from over the road but looks good to me
From now until we exit admin - no signings
When we exit admin until 31 Dec - we can sign u21 players who were out of contract by end of current transfer window
1 - 31 Jan (assuming out of admin) - we can sign any u21 player
After 31 Jan until summer transfer window - we can sign any player out of contract before 31 Jan

[robinp]

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Copied from over the road but looks good to me
From now until we exit admin - no signings
When we exit admin until 31 Dec - we can sign u21 players who were out of contract by end of current transfer window
1 - 31 Jan (assuming out of admin) - we can sign any u21 player
After 31 Jan until summer transfer window - we can sign any player out of contract before 31 Jan

Clear as mud!

[CropleyWasGod]

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Copied from over the road but looks good to me
From now until we exit admin - no signings
When we exit admin until 31 Dec - we can sign u21 players who were out of contract by end of current transfer window
1 - 31 Jan (assuming out of admin) - we can sign any u21 player
After 31 Jan until summer transfer window - we can sign any player out of contract before 31 Jan

On top of that, though, if they exit administration this year, the new owner will have the football debt to pay. £500k at last count, which would make it difficult to pay much in wages.

[AndyB_70]

http://news.stv.tv/east-central/2347...ottery-ticket/
The YAMs can't even win the lottery

[robinp]

Of course they will only have this to worry about if they can actually agree a CVA and exit admin before the window opens in January and thus avoid being liquidated........

[Waxy]

Yep. If the bookies priced up the punishment , embargo till jan 31st would have been odds on fav.

[Gettin' Auld]

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Can't be a yam bone, as they have no bones, spineless. plankton..............

Plus most of them tend to be ham shanks. ;)

[brog]

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Agree. Ultimately as is often the case, the actual individuals directly responsible for the mismanagement are gone. A punishment is therefore affecting individuals who had no direct control over the infringement. In the long run hitting the club with points penalties, signings etc hit the team on the park. As clubs and their supporters begin to realize this, they might start taking a more objective, and proactive stance on how their club spends money - and who is in charge.

David Southern has been in charge for about 3 years now & telling lies for most of that time. He has been complicit in much of the wrongdoing & yet he has not been subject to any sanction. I also think they could have been fined, at present they have cash though it may not last long.

[Andy74]

They can basically loan as many under 21 players they like in Janaury then, assuming they reach then?

[clerriehibs]

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I think maybe I was hoping for news that might have gone some way to finishing them off. This way they limp on.

Good things come to those who wait.

I was kinda hoping the SFA would have gone nuclear, and taken away trophies won during madvlad's tenure.

A 50k finw owuldn't have meant much. The signing ban's as good as it was likely to get.

But there are ways round bans ... if there is a way round this one, the cretins will find it. Danny Wilson, anyone?

[GreenCastle]

Posted this on the Heriot Watt thread but wanted to share in this one also....

Apologies if discussed already but in 7 days the bid for the National Performance Centre will be presented - see website http://goedinburgh2016.com/

If you look at this link http://goedinburgh2016.com/location-and-facilities/ - Heriot Watt are involved and Hearts are to get grass pitches (plus I'm sure use of a full size 11 v 11 pitch if they needed it also!)

While I agree Edinburgh needs better sports facilities the bid smells of yamness....the people backing the bid all being yams..Hastings...Hoy...Stewart..

Surely this can't be allowed to slip under the radar?

[Gatecrasher]

They are going to have to be lucky to avoid relegation IMO.

[sidneyhibbie]

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Posted this on the Heriot Watt thread but wanted to share in this one also....

Apologies if discussed already but in 7 days the bid for the National Performance Centre will be presented - see website http://goedinburgh2016.com/

If you look at this link http://goedinburgh2016.com/location-and-facilities/ - Heriot Watt are involved and Hearts are to get grass pitches (plus I'm sure use of a full size 11 v 11 pitch if they needed it also!)

While I agree Edinburgh needs better sports facilities the bid smells of yamness....the people backing the bid all being yams..Hastings...Hoy...Stewart..

Surely this can't be allowed to slip under the radar?

It wont as i am on the case now Letters and Emails