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30-08-2019, 11:38 AM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

John major joining English legal action against proroguing parliament.

Wowsers. Popcorn out.
30-08-2019, 11:42 AM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

John Major joining English legal action against proroguing parliament.

Traitor, communist, enemy of the people, etc
30-08-2019, 11:49 AM
heretoday

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Be very careful what you wish for. I completely understand your sentiment but it is widely understood that no deal would be economically damaging for Ireland. That being true, there’s absolutely no way it can be anything other than horrendous here. We are totally geared for getting things to/from the EU via England and our economy is heavily interlinked with rUK.

If it happens then indy is our way out of the wreckage in the long term but don’t kid yourself, thousands of people will lose their jobs. It will be painful.

Indy would pile more disruption on top of the current mess. Not a good idea. We'd never see the end of it and neither would our children.
30-08-2019, 11:53 AM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by heretoday

Indy would pile more disruption on top of the current mess. Not a good idea. We'd never see the end of it and neither would our children.

Don't believe that myself

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30-08-2019, 11:57 AM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by heretoday

Indy would pile more disruption on top of the current mess. Not a good idea. We'd never see the end of it and neither would our children.

I agree with the first sentence but it's a bit of a cut off the leg to save the patient moment*. The alternative is the whole body dies over a longer time.

* this analogy doesn't quite work as I believe in a few years time the patient would actually grow a new stronger leg. :greengrin
30-08-2019, 12:05 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I agree with the first sentence but it's a bit of a cut off the leg to save the patient moment*. The alternative is the whole body dies over a longer time.

* this analogy doesn't quite work as I believe in a few years time the patient would actually grow a new stronger leg. :greengrin

Lizard man?
30-08-2019, 12:10 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Lizard man?

Aaaaaargh, independent Scotland to be run by new reptilian species!

We've just given Better Together a new talking point. Dammit! :wink:
30-08-2019, 12:33 PM
Kato

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I’m going to say it as I want to be honest, I hope we leave without a deal. It will undoubtedly lead to Scottish independence and that’s what I think is the best option for Scotland right now.

Any form of Brexit is going see a huge upsurge in racist attacks, homophobic attacks and general harrassment of people who will be left high and dry. Those on the far right who struggle with their own adequacy are geared up across England to carry these attacks out the day the UK is out. That's before the UK Govt (junta) get their Dominic Cummings shaped teeth into the "settled status" problem.

Not very comfortable seeing that as anything other than horrific and the thought of Scotland abandoning those people to that fate is not one I care for.
30-08-2019, 12:58 PM
Colr

I have a theory that Mark Francois with his French name and Italian mother is suffering from some kind of Stockholm syndrom after being teased at school.
30-08-2019, 01:34 PM
BroxburnHibee

Boris will just lie on his affidavit. Hes got form for it let's face it.

The only way I can see no deal stopping is by revoking A50. Just not sure it will happen.
30-08-2019, 06:17 PM
stokesmessiah

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Originally Posted by Colr

I have a theory that Mark Francois with his French name and Italian mother is suffering from some kind of Stockholm syndrom after being teased at school.

I ****ing hate that guy, he is a total ****ing clown and the total epitome of the flag waving, empire loving asshole that has caused this whole problem.
30-08-2019, 10:02 PM
G B Young

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Originally Posted by Hibee87

I also dont get why the Judge being Scottish is relevant, unless I am missing something, it seems a strange way to put a sentence -
A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.

It's just making clear that the hearing took place in Scotland (at the Court of Session in Edinburgh) where we have a separate legal system to England.
30-08-2019, 10:06 PM
G B Young

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Typical Beeb

"Judge refuses to halt parliament suspension plans"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-49521132

They don't mention that the Interim Interdict wouldn't serve much purpose with there being a full hearing to follow. I'd say that's why the judge is saying there wasn't a "cogent need".

The headline could have read "Judge orders earlier hearing to be brought forward by 4 days".

He's saying there was no need for the parliamentarians who brought this to court to seek an interim interdict. Essentially they were wasting court time with no logical requirement for such a move ahead of a full hearing.
30-08-2019, 10:09 PM
cabbageandribs1875

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Originally Posted by heretoday

Indy would pile more disruption on top of the current mess. Not a good idea. We'd never see the end of it and neither would our children.

aye right, i and my fellow countrymen/women will decide
30-08-2019, 10:14 PM
cabbageandribs1875

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...Qo1LbODuKuzU54

Boris Johnson’s top strategist Dominic Cummings is understood to have sacked Sajid Javid’s media adviser following a confrontation in Downing Street.
Sonia Khan, who was a special adviser to former chancellor Philip Hammond and continued in the role under Mr Javid, has now left her position at the Treasury, The Independent understands.
The prime minister’s right-hand man summoned Ms Khan to No 10 for a short meeting before she was escorted out of the building, according to reports.

the wrath of boris, philip hammond will be wondering when it's his turn
30-08-2019, 10:41 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by G B Young

He's saying there was no need for the parliamentarians who brought this to court to seek an interim interdict. Essentially they were wasting court time with no logical requirement for such a move ahead of a full hearing.

Don’t think that’s right. The judge brought the hearing forward. Only once he’d done that was there no longer a cogent need for interdict.
30-08-2019, 10:54 PM
Mibbes Aye

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...Qo1LbODuKuzU54

Boris Johnson’s top strategist Dominic Cummings is understood to have sacked Sajid Javid’s media adviser following a confrontation in Downing Street.
Sonia Khan, who was a special adviser to former chancellor Philip Hammond and continued in the role under Mr Javid, has now left her position at the Treasury, The Independent understands.
The prime minister’s right-hand man summoned Ms Khan to No 10 for a short meeting before she was escorted out of the building, according to reports.

the wrath of boris, philip hammond will be wondering when it's his turn

Philip Hammond resigned when Boris became PM.
30-08-2019, 11:17 PM
cabbageandribs1875

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

Philip Hammond resigned when Boris became PM.

in light of this info i'd like to rewind my premonition to the 23rd july 2019
31-08-2019, 06:15 AM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by G B Young

He's saying there was no need for the parliamentarians who brought this to court to seek an interim interdict. Essentially they were wasting court time with no logical requirement for such a move ahead of a full hearing.

He didn't remotely say or suggest that it had been wasting court time.
31-08-2019, 08:06 AM
Callum_62

EU are apparently going to remove the 31st October hard deadline next week

Hows that for flexibility
31-08-2019, 08:22 AM
CloudSquall

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

EU are apparently going to remove the 31st October hard deadline next week

Hows that for flexibility

They've buckled, the spirt of Dunkirk has prevailed.

#fightthemonthebeaches.

:greengrin
31-08-2019, 08:43 AM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

They've buckled, the spirt of Dunkirk has prevailed.

#fightthemonthebeaches.

:greengrin

Out manovered our glorious PM and given palimentarians the time needed to avoid no deal - if true ofcourse

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31-08-2019, 08:46 AM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Out manovered our glorious PM and given palimentarians the time needed to avoid no deal - if true of course

Denied by European sources.

Not much of an achievement, in any case, to outmanoeuvre an overpromoted rubber bath toy.
31-08-2019, 08:55 AM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Denied by European sources.

Not much of an achievement, in any case, to outmanoeuvre an overpromoted rubber bath toy.

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Not saying its a glorious achievement but would throw a spanner in the works to the real reason the queen's speech was called

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31-08-2019, 08:57 AM
grunt

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Originally Posted by G B Young

He's saying there was no need for the parliamentarians who brought this to court to seek an interim interdict. Essentially they were wasting court time with no logical requirement for such a move ahead of a full hearing.

That's a very warped - and incorrect - view of events.
31-08-2019, 11:16 AM
G B Young

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Originally Posted by grunt

That's a very warped - and incorrect - view of events.

I'm only basing that on the Radio Scotland reporter's summation I heard coming home last night. She said the judge had pointed out that with a full hearing scheduled for next week - and the fact nothing can actually happen with regards to prorogation before parliament returns - there was no cogent reason for an interim interdict, so essentially yesterday's proceedings were needless. When asked if there was a precedent for a situation such as this the QC for the parliamentarians had apparently cited the Claim of Right from 1869 (!?), prompting the judge to ask if there was a more recent precedent - the answer to that was no.

From the judge's actual ruling:

[7] The grant of interim interdict and interim suspension is a matter in relation to whichthe court possesses a broad discretion. Normally a party seeking such interim ordersrequires to show that there is a cogent need for the orders to be made.[8] I am not satisfied that it has been demonstrated that there is a cogent need forinterim suspension or interim interdict to be granted at this stage. At the moment, asubstantive hearing is set down to take place on Friday 6 September, before the first possibledate on which Parliament could be prorogued.
31-08-2019, 11:19 AM
Peevemor

So where does it say anything about wasting court time? If nothing else it served to bring the full hearing forward from Friday to Tuesday.
31-08-2019, 12:57 PM
G B Young

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

So where does it say anything about wasting court time? If nothing else it served to bring the full hearing forward from Friday to Tuesday.

Why go to the bother of seeking an interim interdict when there was already a full hearing scheduled? It seemed a foregone conclusion that such a move would be thrown out.
31-08-2019, 01:00 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Why go to the bother of seeking an interim interdict when there was already a full hearing scheduled? It seemed a foregone conclusion that such a move would be thrown out.

I think it was a safety net. In case the hearing was postponed. The government QC wanted it to be later.

Belt and braces approach.
31-08-2019, 01:25 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Why go to the bother of seeking an interim interdict when there was already a full hearing scheduled? It seemed a foregone conclusion that such a move would be thrown out.

The full hearing was scheduled for Friday 6th. The judge judged that it was a matter of such public importance that it needed to be brought forward to Tuesday 3rd. Hardly a waste of time.

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