I regard him as more of a village idiot than a dangerous extremist. Unless we mean he is extremely dangerous to the prospects of his own parliamentary career. Conservative Central Office candidate vetting has a lot to answer for. Mind you, so do most parties.Quote:
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What happens when your archetypal geezer knee jerk right-wing nonentity gets into elected office? This. This is what happens.
Yep, the problem is there’s a growing number of them, particularly in England. The more of them there are, the more of them get elected, and the more normalised their views become.Quote:
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Maybe sterilisation is an option. :greengrin
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Originally Posted by bawheid
Not sure we're exempt. It's not as if there haven't been suspensions of Scottish MPs and MSPs for various reasons...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54657796Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Yay!
Can’t recall any of them complaining about nationalising children or wanting folk sterilised, which is what I thought we were talking about.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The Tories seem to be determined to roll themselves in political **** and the smell of this one won't easily recede. Cummings isn't a genius he's a ****ing idiot who got lucky.
Prime Minister Starmer has a nice ring to it.
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Nail on the head.
Just pointing out that other political idiots are also available including Scottish ones from a range of political parties across a wide spectrum of themes.Quote:
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Unless the Prestwick debacle comes back to bite the labour party 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
No it definitely does not. It is not traditional to add the PM's surname after "Prime Minister". It is an Americanisation that should not be encouraged!Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I suspect parties which have been in Govt for the last 13 years - and especially leaders who have their fingerprints on both every action taken and every failure to act throughout that time - have more to fear on accountability than leaders who only entered parliament in 2015... :wink:
I stand corrected. That's what I get for re-watching the entire box set of the West Wing as my current pandemic escapism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
:-) I'm just very sensitive to anything that undermines British tradition :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
How many times do current leaders apologise for the failings of their predecessors?Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Answer, always.
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I'm really not sure that's right. Genuine question, has Sturgeon apologised for Salmond?
I agree, hopefully by the time he is PM of england he will be able to work with the newly independent Scottish government to make the transition easy and to begin to work together as two friendly cooperative nationsQuote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Yeah, you don't get that if we go independent before the next UK election. You get a government beholden to a hostile, grumpy, sullen electorate with a point to prove about us breaking up the union and focussed entirely on rUK interests. See Brexit negotiations and consequences as a template.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Luckily it's highly unlikely there will be a second referendum before the next UK general election.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Hes a proven liar on subjects as diverse as Corbyn and communist spies and Indian call centres, with a record of Islamophobia and support for sterilizing chavs, but with a 16,000 majority he’s in the same safe seat bracket as Ian Murray. And equally as likely to get into a Union Jack suit, strangely. So, yes, you can call him an idiot if you want, but he’s undoubtedly dangerous, as are many of the new intake.Quote:
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Yeah, it was a bit tongue in cheek, there is no chance of a Labour PM anytime soon.Quote:
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This Ben Bradley chap increasingly seems a really great guy:
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry...yifVAvb59EbBQs
What has Alex Salmond done that you think he failed in parliament?Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Genuine question.
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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Another nice Tory mp, claiming food parcels are exchanged for drugs.
https://twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp/...566962690?s=19
And this lovely Tory mp criticising businesses for providing free meals.
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/statu...359954433?s=19
The heart warming UK wide reaction to Rashford's campaign from businesses, councils and the general population says more about the real attitudes of the British people than any Tory MP ever could. Never forget that the majority of the electorate did not vote for them. There is hope moving forward.
That second one. What a ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Im loving the standard responses when these ****ers get busted, they say the tweet has been ‘taken out of all context’. If it’s so contextually ok, why do they always delete the tweet immediately after being pulled up for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
McGinn should have done better with that.
McGinn is a Tory???😱😱😱Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Aye, see those folk on the right :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Ha ha, what a dithering old twat. Posted on the wrong thread. Was wondering where my post went on the matchday thread. :faf:Quote:
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:greengrin:Quote:
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"Starve a kid, save a Quid".Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
The bootstrap cook
I see a load of sentient hams on here think they can do my job today, cobbling together and costing an omelette. Pity they left out the price of rent, gas, a cooker, a pan, oil, salt, pepper, plates, lighting, the mental health cost of self care, and a ****ing knife and fork.
I think you know I was referring to Salmond's lawyer's description, during the court case, of his behaviour. You said all leaders apologise for their predecessors so has Sturgeon apologised for Salmond's behaviour? She may have done so, I never paid that much attention to the trial at the time or the comments afterwards. If she didn't it supports my case that Starmer really won't be held to account for anything in Labour pre-2015 before he was elected. If she did, I'll need to find a new example...Quote:
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I’m still tempted to buy the box set again (an ex won that in the custody battle). Greatest series of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Alex Salmond didn't do anything wrong, in parliament, therefore no apology required.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Tony Blair and Iraq on the other hand! Still looking for the WMD
Evasion and whataboutery. Righto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
"Alex Salmond didn't do anything wrong"...
In parliament. Get it right. How can anyone be expected to apologise for another persons behaviour in private?Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
A party leader has to apologise for the actions of their predecessors in parliament, not outside, otherwise the next tory leader will be awfy busy.
It would be highly inappropriate for Sturgeon to apologise for anything Samond did based on what his advocate said, particularly given he wasn't convicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Is it not slightly rich to now accuse someone else of whataboutery when it was your fine self who brought up Sturgeon/Salmond as a response to someone suggesting Starmer should apologise for Blair?Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Very good and very important point.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
To get things back on track - huuuuge boos for the Tories.
Awww, I was really enjoying the repetitive nat yoon takeover :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
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Originally Posted by marinello59
I see the tories have dropped the salary cap from 35k to 25k for migrant workers. Some of the threads I have seen on FB are hilarious with Tory voters shocked and indignant at the prospect.
If you can suffer the adverts then all 7 series are on All4.Quote:
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https://news.stv.tv/politics/no-plac...ng-of-pandemic
I see Willie Rennie is going full tory (or is it Labour) in his accusations that the first minister has blamed English people for the second wave of coronavirus, even though she said nothing of the sort.
That’s exactly what she hasn’t done.Quote:
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Rennie doing his best ‘straw man’.
I know. Incredible!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
He really is coming across like he hates Sturgeon, I've noticed he comes out with stuff like that on a fairly regular basis. In the discussion Sturgeon also included the fact people in Scottish areas also shouldn't travel, including to low infection areas within England. Don't know how trying to protect English folks is anti-English.Quote:
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He’s trying to win some of the WATP Tory vote. They’ll not pick up votes from anywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Edit: Now that’s how you go off-topic but rein it back in!
Empty plates left outside the local Tory HQ and Con Club after Southend West MP voted against feeding children most at risk of going hungry. @BorisJohnson https://t.co/zQcN3ufF0s
Keir Starmer has said Labour will force another vote on this before Xmas. I think there will be a Tory u-turn before that happens.Quote:
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All that and a smug self satisfied look. People voted for this...........Quote:
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This thread has been surpringly void of the few tory voters that frequent this site
Too embaressed?
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I’ve just heard a Tory MP, Tim Naughton I think, ex children’s minister, say they’ve given ‘213 Billion pounds’ to help feed schoolchildren :dunno: This figure hasn’t been challenged by the interviewer. He repeated the figure throughout the interview three times, clearly been briefed to parrot big meaningless numbers. In need of a fact check.
Think he's just mixing up his billion pound beneficiaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
It'll be their pals in the Track & Trace industry and all the ones who've been awarded PPE contracts without any scrutiny that will have had the £213bn given.
Easy mistake to make.
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His response wasn't particularly subtle but perhaps he meant it not to be. All politicians know how to dog whistle and Sturgeon was doing the same thing here, she's extremely good at it. He's a muppet for diving into the obvious response with both feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Ben Bradley is just far less subtle and far less accomplished at his version of it. He's not a serious threat, he's a clown who has managed to do almost as much damage to the Tories this week as Marcus Rashford.
Out of interest does anyone know how the free school meals system works in England (and Wales and NI) during 'normal' times? In the main it's just for kids in primary 1-3 in Scotland. Does it extend further elsewhere or is it largely the same age group?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Having been into my own kids' primary school on more than one occasion as part of a parents in school day, which included eating lunch with the kids, I'd say the quality of the meals on offer ranges from near inedible (cold, unsalted macaroni!!) to very tasty (good pizzas and sausages).
Behave yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
You make many thought-provoking and valid points relating to the independence debate.
This isn’t one.
Much as you want it to be true, it just isn’t.
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/free-school-mealsQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
My wee one in the main lovee her school dinners
The menu choice compared to my time at PS is night and day
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I'd agree with that. I quite often ate next to nothing at primary school as the food was so disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Hancock was asked this morning if Johnson had replied to Rashford's recent letter - Hancock said there had been "communication" between the two. It's now been confirmed that the last such communication from Johnson to Rashford was in June.
Why not just say "I don't know"?!? It's not as though folk wouldn't accept that, as Health Secretary, he might have other priorities. It's like some of them have an addiction to deceit; having spent so much time lying, they've forgotten how to tell the truth.
Expect Kuenssberg, Peston and the rest will be immediately calling out Hancock as a liar for this, rather than contorting their reports with ridiculous euphemisms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
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Originally Posted by Smartie
You're kidding yourself. She is an excellent communicator and she doesn't say anything accidentally. It was actually worded precisely to allow different people to take from it what they wanted. That's what a dog whistle is.
She said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels across borders very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel across the UK and internationally so border control I think is an important consideration here"
She could have said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel within Scotland, across the UK and internationally so travel control I think is an important consideration here"
If I want to hear the UK bit then that's what I hear. If I want to hear the international bit then I hear that. Her implication with the rUK part is not in this instance anti-English, it is that the RUK (Johnson and his Govt) let us down or we might have beaten it.
[QUOTE=One Day Soon;6337593]You're kidding yourself. She is an excellent communicator and she doesn't say anything accidentally. It was actually worded precisely to allow different people to take from it what they wanted. That's what a dog whistle is.
She said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels across borders very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel across the UK and internationally so border control I think is an important consideration here"
She could have said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel within Scotland, across the UK and internationally so travel control I think is an important consideration here"
If I want to hear the UK bit then that's what I hear. If I want to hear the international bit then I hear that. Her implication with the rUK part is not in this instance anti-English, it is that the RUK (Johnson and his Govt) let us down or we might have beaten it.
So to be clear then you think she is right in what she said? That the virus has spread from across the UK and abroad. But as you are at pains to point out at every given opportunity, Scotland is part of the UK. She is 100% correct, border control, both ways, could have prevented further spread. Unfortunately border control was out with the Scottish government remit.
The only dog whistling I see here is from you. As you pointed out, if you want to hear the rUK bit you will, and that is exactly what you have CHOSEN to do
What you have described in your final paragraph is confirmation bias on the part of the those listening rather than dog-whistling on the part of the person talking.Quote:
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https://twitter.com/ScotTories/statu...42243441098753
Ross taking the moral high ground :faf:
Aside from the politics, some of it doesn't even make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Re: the first paragraph, what is he suggesting he would do (if not hope to get the decisions right and "let them do their thing") if they weren't playing well?!? Does he start coaching them? Sub them off? :confused:
Nasty SNP not providing free meals too all pupils
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FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
"It's been reported that some of our other MPs did take part". It's a matter of record that all your MPs not only took part, but voted against it. :rolleyes:
Lying ******* with an unmarkable brass neck.
:agree: I took it to imply that in the presence of great players he could stand back and just try to officiate the game. But in their absence perhaps it was incumbent on him to become the star of the show. :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Just watched Scottish Questions. Corona really is a wet dream for opposition politics. They can moan about absolutely everything without having to solve anything themselves. One Tory even had the brass neck to criticise the Scottish government's lack of finacial support towards business and the lack of Scottish investment in a vaccine. Where do they find these clowns?
You are a prince amongst men.Quote:
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Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
He's a weasel.
I saw that yesterday, it's brilliantly done.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Squires can be a bit hit or miss but he nails it there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54718306
They just can't help themselves.
‘Running the country like he’s Springfields Sanitation Commissioner...’Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It sounds like they've accidentally got it right with that one:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
"Amoy, owned by Heinz, has 58% of the £29m market according to research company Euromonitor International. Its soy sauce is made in China and bottled in the UK so the UK-Japan deal will have no impact. But the tariff payable on soy sauce imported from China will come down slightly from the 7.7% it was as part of the EU to the UK's new rate of 6%."
Alternative fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
"the leading brand of soy sauce sold in the UK, Kikkoman, produces its sauce for the British market in the Netherlands. This mean the product could get more expensive in the event of a no-deal Brexit"
I've just checked my bottle - it's from China. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Does it say on it if it's the leading brand though? :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Cue Gove all over the media claiming that getting the UK a 1.7% reduction in the price of a weird "foreign" sauce was always the real motivation behind Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
That'll teach those French a lesson, especially if we can afford to buy anything to pour it on.
Got sauce done.
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No way he'll be saying that. He'll be claiming it's (gone down from 7.7 to 6 which is) a 22% reduction in somethingorother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
It claims to be - a or the - "leading authentic Chinese soy sauce brand". :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Apparently it's also meant to be in the fridge after opening too! The things you learn when you just wanted an early morning dose of Tory nonsense...
Or they could get Matt Hancock to do the numbers, a 50% gain for the Unified Kingdong.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
There'll be Bluebells over the white crofts of Dover by Christmas as we sail into to the land of subsidy free UK milk and Polish honey labelled with the British tractor label.
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Who's a naughty Tory?
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...24004923662336
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Good work there by the fox beater. I regard these people as hijackers of the Conservative Party and I confidently believe two things about all this. 1. It will result in a Starmer government eventually and 2. A number of people currently making or influencing decisions are going to end up before one form or another of the Beak.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Are you sure Starmer will be the prime minister anytime soon?
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Soon, no. It's three years until the next election. Addressing this comprehensively would be a good next step on that journey.
There will be an avalanche of anti-Starmer "REVELATIONS" and "BETRAYALS" from the "impartial, balanced" UK media in the month before the election which will wipe out his lead and give Johnson/Sunak/whoever an "unprecedented" majority ala 2015. Hopefully we won't be voting in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
The traditional media is much weaker as a leader of public political opinion than it used to be and they didn't stop Labour from beating a tired, discredited and divided Tory Party in 1999. And this supposedly influential media has in Scotland (where nationalists would have you believe it is pretty much uniformly hostile to independence) failed to wipe out SNP leads in the month before recent elections. I like my chances on this one and hopefully we will still be fully involved in it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I expect full details of this to be reported on every news channel and newspaper.
I also believe in the tooth fairy.
That self same media had jumped on the Blair bandwagon and were very supportive of Labour. That is one of the main reasons why Labour beat the Tories. Alistair Campbell was an absolute master of spin and getting the media onboard with the Blair/new Labour project.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
The world had changed massively since Blair rose to prominence though. Blair was meeting with Murdoch on his yacht in 1995 and beginning the process of gaining his media empire endorsement (which finally came in early 97). Even by the latter stages of the Blair premiership only 67% of households had a home computer, in 1997 that was 27% and today it's 88%. Twitter and Facebook didn't appear until the last nails were being hammered in the Blairism coffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
There is little doubt that the ability of the Blair administration to manage the press was a huge factor in their success. Is it as relevant now? Almost half of adults state they get their news from social media now, that wasn't a thing for most of the Blair era. Print media is a news source for only 38% of adults now albeit that rises when combined with their online offering.
Controlling the traditional media is still important but far less so than it was even 15 years ago. The murky world of social media is increasingly important; Cambridge Analytica and the like should be living proof of that to all of us.