Labour MP for the Western Isles.
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Labour MP for the Western Isles.
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....Yep,well said m8:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Trump seams ashamed of the fact his mother came from poverty, which is actually good for us, can you imagine the fat orange nightmare cutting about in a kilt and bigging up his Scots routes. Mortifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'd be inviting Trump over to check first hand that his old mum's house and his hotels and golf courses are all adequately fireproofed in the event of tariffs being applied to the UK.
Because you never know what folk might do.
This will effect is whether we get tariffed or not. I expect the dollar to strengthen and the pound to weaken which will increase the likelihood the Reeves and Starmer have to go full austerity. Some rough time ahead for everyone globally with a full blown trade war. Globalisation is about to unwind at speed and it won’t be pretty for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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as a gael, i cannot put into words how ashamed i am of torcuil crichton - literal nausea reading that. this is utterly, utterly disgusting, especially from a Labour politician. the last thing we want is to be seen as Trump's 'home' - even worse, for him to see us as some sort of home...Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
This is how the media SHOULD be reporting Trump's actions ...
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Originally Posted by Kato
I don't like Trump, he's a fanny, I find some of the things he comes out with funny, in an ideal world we wouldn't have anything to do with him but it's not an ideal world, his decisions can really affect people's lives going forward, including here, if we have to butter him up a bit then so be it I'm afraidQuote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Absolutely agree, in the real world you deal with the most powerful man in the world in a practical way. If it helps businesses in Scotland then you welcome him and work with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Pound strengthed in a big way against euro today and grew against the dollar and all other currencies bar the yen (due to tariff news). 10 year gilts down tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It should affect the US economy more than most others and with Germany in recession and having a manufacturing economy it will affect the EU too. We've already destroyed our manufacturing industry and since it's a services economy, its not expected to hurt us that much. Could be a boom time for Scottish whisky if Canadia and Ireland both get priced out the US
I sincerely hope that the Scottish Government are in no way being seen to pander to that fascist.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
It could work out nicely for the UK if we stay on side with Trump, particularly Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If he ‘punishes’ the rest of the world and offers us a trade deal it could work
Well.
I hate trump the same as most people on here but the UK government have to work with him.
The only problem I can see is Starmer cozying back up to Europe. Can’t imagine Trump being too supportive of that. Although if Starmer can pull it off, he would be onto a winner.
Closer ties with Europe - good for growth
No tariffs from the USA and potential trade deal - good for growth.
Sounds promising until you realise it’s Starmer and Reeves
I've just seen that Canada has a small trade surplus with the US. Does this mean the yanks are trying to butter them up for a fascist takeover too?
it's all to do with their oil. Trump wants it, because a) it's oil and b) because it's the basis of the US's deficit towards Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
Scotland also has oil, which gives me the brown trousers feeling. This is what we're walking into by chumming up to him. Not to mention the insane data harvesting that Musk is up to. Imagine the power the pair of them would have if granted access to the kind of personal information they're imbibing from the treasury...it's genuinely very dystopian and scary, and no amount of pragmatism is going to avoid it if said pragmatism amounts to becoming his lapdog (which, lets be real, is the only relationship he'll be satisfied with).
It's a wee deficit, but, aye, it's always about resources. Are there any potential fascist puppets in Canada like the AfD?Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Yeah me too, I'm all for supporting fascist lunatics if the whisky industry does well out of it and there's a knock-on reduction in Scottish income tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
In the long-term, any advantage in being the bully's sidekick is unlikely to help us. This will end at some point, and he won't always be there. In the meantime, he'd be a fickle and untrustworthy pal, very possibly with increasing demands if we're to be allowed to hang on to his coat-tails. He has a long-term pattern of forcing his cohorts to subjugate themselves, then throwing them under the bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I'd personally much prefer it if we stood together with the rest of his targets and made clear that bullying countries into submission or attempting to seize control of them is unacceptable. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, we don't need to be Trump's Belarus.
All the tax on whisky goes to London does it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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No. He's an evil lunatic. If we want to be proud to be Scottish we should have nothing to do with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
No. He's an evil lunatic. If we want to be proud to be Scottish we should have nothing to do with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Tax on staff costs stays in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So, if tariffs affect production, there is a knock-on effect on the tax take in Scotland economy. Both in terms of whisky employees, and the wider community where they have spending power.
The duty and the VAT, which is probably what you meant, goes to London, together with the Corporation Tax.
He's a lunatic with the ability to make people's already hard life even worse, in the real world if that means playing nice for 4 years then the Government need to be pragmatic and deal with himQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Ever hear of Neville Chamberlain, at all? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Here we go, knew someone would come out with something like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
There is a huge difference to holding your nose and swallowing something to try and avoid tarrifs that will majorly affect your already crumbling economy and what Chamberlain tried to do
It's really easy to have an idealised view on what you should do when you don't have the livelyhood of 65m people at stake
Also im speaking specifically about avoiding tarrifs, if he starts invading Canada, Mexico, Greenland and Panama is when you can tell him to go **** himself
Sorry. Still a "no" from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Rumours of a one month pause in Mexican tariffs due to Mexico promising to put 10,000 soldiers on the northern border to stop people and drug smuggling
Spot on, too many people don't seemingly live in the real world. I wonder how they would feel if they worked in the Whisky industry and their job and house etc was at stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
What I said, in no way represented supporting a fascist lunatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Trump said the UK could be exempt, which could be good for the UK and Scotland.
If we had to bow down and kiss hiss ring whilst claiming ‘All Hail Trump’. That would be supporting a fascist lunatic, however hearing his words and saying it could be good for the UK is far from it.
What do you think he might want in exchange ...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I think that's valid up to a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Different people will have different tolerance levels for Trump's pish and what it means.
For some, he reached and breached that point long ago.
For others, there may remain room for pragmatism for a bit longer.
I'm not much of a fan to pandering to the likes of Trump. Bullies need confronted early and forcefully, never emboldened.
Is it wise to ruffle his feathers too much too early though? Maybe not. Starmer is probably being reasonably smart in keeping options open for now.
Britain has a history of trying to ride more than one horse at the same time and is occasionally successful with it.