Chuchillian Rhetoric?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Will never fit on the side of a bus so won't catch on.
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Chuchillian Rhetoric?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Will never fit on the side of a bus so won't catch on.
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The smokescreen isn't the emergency powers, they are the means. This has been going on since day one of the crisis but the reaction on twitter etc has been pretty muted. The real outpourings of sustained outrage have been saved for the likes of Cummings going for a spin in his car. That's how you do a smokescreen. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Indeed, Emergency powers crudely just kills scrutiny of contracts by parliament, or anybody else for that matter, at least until they are awarded and the cash starts flowing. The darker arts are the deflections and distractions.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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You’ll be waiting a while, because no one is asking the questions. The Guardian lets the occasional Monbiot ‘opinion piece’ article out, but the front pages are on irrelevancies like whether Sheffield is getting a few quid less than Burnhams Manchester in hush money that has been swindled from the tax payers in the first place. Starmers ‘now is not the time’ is starting to sound like a stuck record. He’s asleep at the wheel. BBC News are the Tories call handlers. The facts are out there if you want to look but theres no effective scrutiny any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Zarah Sultana hasn't exactly been quiet, I think she has gone with this several times in Parliament. I do agree, it's now time for Starmer to go in harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Who'll be the next recipient of a £108M contract, I wonder.
Yes, she’s fast becoming my favourite MP. Even she could go in even harder though, talk about the individual relationships that underpin Serco and Deloitte, not just the contract itself. Can’t be easy being a 26 year old first time MP in that environment and making so many enemies early on though.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It's quite amusing perusing social media at the moment. There are people who get absolutely outraged by people claiming benefits on those Channel 5 poverty porn, poor shaming documentaries who seem totally cool with the public purse being robbed to the tune of literally billions.
It seems that Dave from Grimsby 'raking it in' is abhorrent but ferry contracts to companies with no ferries, PPE contracts to companies with a couple of hundred quid cash at bank, contracts worth millions to companies linked to advisors for apps that had to be scrapped and the odd billion here and there to Serco for a test and trace programme that has been an unmitigated failure is absolutely fine.
I've never really been much of a fan of the Tory party, to out it mildly, but I absolutely hate the current crop with every fibre of my being. They are detestable in every way. I think the only thing that angers me more is the apathy towards them from so many people.
I think she will be just fine with making enemies. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Totally agree mate. It's the narrative that's spun - get outraged at the poorest scamming benefits, not the richest properly scamming millions and billions. Get outraged at Cummings going in his car so you don't notice the £108m going missing while you're not looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
They are crooks. It's ironic that they're the ones that we don't see wearing masks these days.
Judging by Johnson's performance at PMQ today, the new deflection strategy is to blame everything on Sadiq Khan. Even Kuenssberg was fact checking a bit of that (result of check .... lie :shocked:).
Can't see as it's not public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Sorry, it's a photo of an information board at a London station pointing out the money wasted on test and trace, and ppe contracts then compares them to the request from Manchester for financial assistance, with the footnoteQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
London stands with Manchester
I can't see it either but is it the one (Have I Got News For You) basically saying Manchester had asked for the money equivalent to running a failed track and trace system for 14 minutes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
This one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Sadiq Khan's handwriting too :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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Originally Posted by Peevemor
George Monbiot
Probably the most concise comment so far on the revelations in my column today. https://t.co/ic2jfZmDKW
I see the Tories voted against free school meals outside term time this evening.
Imagine going home and telling your family you chose to let children go hungry.
They don't give a ****. The only thing that would have made them vote in favour of that bill would have been if one of them or their pals could have made millions from it. They are disgusting human beings and anyone who voted for those sick should be taking a hard look at themselves and the folk who voted for them for the first time at the last election should know that they helped them to get into that position. There will be 1st time Tory voters in the North of England not getting paid, losing jobs whose kids won't get fed. What a sorry state of a country that they thought the Tories would help them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
As bad as it sounds could you imagine the impact of Marcus Rashford handed back his MBE. What a statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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shame on them all
Wow. Some of the Tory MPs' explanations for rejecting it are stomach churning.
Angela Rayner called it right.
****.
Aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
The real obscenity was voting against free meals for kids who will need them.
It's just Tories being Tories. Whether they are small c conservatives, whatever that is, they're all the same. They voted the other night to remove child refugee protections from the immigration bill. Children being kept apart from their family.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
They don't give a ****.
I see her comment was directed at Chris Clarkson, who was one of six Tory MPs who published an open letter to Andy Burnham criticising his ego and saying he should let local leaders decide on the negotiations with Government over Manchester. The problem? Local leaders did decide. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
What is also a disgrace is the billions of pounds that has gone out to fictitious company's who applied for loans at the start of the pandemic. They also said that the self employment scheme was not going to be means tested, then introduced it and means tested it.
They’re despicable. I know there are Tory voters on here and each to their own and all that, but just how could you?
I actually genuinly don't understand how people with any moral compass support themQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/st...775894017?s=19
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Originally Posted by matty_f
Obviously everyone votes in their own self-interest, but my experience of those I know vote Tory is that they prioritise their own self-interest over anything and everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
They'll justify it to themselves by saying that it's not their responsibility to look after other folks kids. ITs not their issue, they're ok so to duck with everyone else. There seems to be two types of Tory voters at the moment, one who has voted for them not because they think that society will be better but it's that they personally will be better off. And one who has voted for them for some kind of xenophobic dislike of everything foreign and well you know to get Brexit done. Sometimes they cross over and actually have both of these traitsQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Nationalising children! Nationalising children!
I'm out. This is obviously some kind of Truman Show and we are all being trolled.
And tonight's ITV news hasn't mentioned it at all.
Go figure!
Worse that that one of these ***** said today that he voted against because "children have been starving for years". I honestly didn't think I could despise them any more than I did but by Christ my hatred of them grows by the day. Scotland needs to get the **** out of here as soon as possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Well people who have these traits still amount to 41% of the voting UK public. Despite all the shameless ineptitude and corruption, some reported, some not, the worst Government of all time, shambling their way through a national crisis remains smugly ahead of the national opposition. I empathise with Angela Rayner, sometimes all there’s left to do is shout abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
:agree::top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
spot on matty_f
Absolutely, and it's why I said earlier in the thread that I just cannot understand what has gone on that these people think that this government is their best optionQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Scottish and Welsh governments have extended free school meals up to and including the Easter holidays. Then again, we don't vote tory.
Politicising starving childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
How very dare we
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Ross tonight voted against free school meals for English kids. Every Scottish Tory mp did the same.
Thanks to the SNP, Scottish kids in their own constituencies will receive free school meals.
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Nationalizing them. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
:agree: Somethings broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
It woz the Facebook wot won it.
Ross abstained, which is arguably even worse than voting against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not only is he complicit in the bill being voted down, he used it to try to further his own political ambitions as well. An opportunity to distance himself from London whilst still showing absolutely no social conscience whatsoever.
That's the behaviour of a proper ****.
Vicky Ford, the Children's minister, tonight voted against giving them free school meals.
Ross abstained I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So he didn't have an opinion on whether kids who can't afford to eat properly should be given a helping hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Top man.
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Owen Thompson apparently abstained as well which seems odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
I'm trying to find out why he abstained when all the rest of the SNP MPs voted for the motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
When it comes down to it, they're politicians behaving as politicians do, putting their own ambition or agenda first.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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I actually think there’s an error with that one. It doesn’t fit in with anything he has said previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
He's been speaking in parliament regarding keeping the £20 uplift on universal credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Can't see him abstaining on free school meals for bairns.
I'd guess he was pairedQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
What a disgraceful outcome, if not overly surprising. Doubly so for Scottish and Welsh (if there were any) MPs who voted against it safe in the knowledge their own constituents wouldn't be affected.
Does anyone know how much would this would have cost?
This U.K. government are more out of touch than anyone could have imagined. Can’t agree deals with local mayors or the EU but unite to starve the poorest kids in society. I’m sure all those voters that voted for them to get brexit done must be delighted with outcome of their elected members behaviour.
Child food snatchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
3 word slogan and fits on the side of a bus. Even a few of Bozo's supporters might be able to identify with that.
Brexit was making us richer but unfortunately all the money seems to have been directed to shell companies with non existent ferries and PPE start ups who don't have to compete for the contracts.
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England is fine with all this though, so we’ll just need to accept it.
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Plenty of people twittering their delight at the outcome of the vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Saw that yesterday and was absolutely stunned. Get ready for another decade at least of Tory government. Unless of course Scotland takes matters into its own hands and votes for independence. Surely the time is nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Twitter....the home of reasoned debate. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
James Obrien ripping the arse out of the Government on LBC at the moment if anyone's interested.
It's the only chance for the oppressed silent majority to be heard. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
She should just admit she joined the wrong party
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54642788
Mystery solved, he was called away to deal with personal family issues. He had fully intended to back the motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Fair play to her for acting regardless. Does that mean she sits as an independent rather than losing her seat entirely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Probably the same people who'll happily talk about how "charity starts at home" when discussing international aid etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
This must be an error, surely? Liberals and centrists were absolutely certain that "anyone but Corbyn" would be at least 20 points ahead by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's less than a year since the Tories won the election by a fairly wide margin. Given the scale of the defeat Labour were looking at taking at least two election cycles to offer a real challenge to the Tories. If they keep improving as they have been doing then the next election will be a lot closer than anybody would have thought even a few months ago. The fallout from the shambolic handling of the Covid crisis alone is going to see votes shifting in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
Starmer continues to impress and Burnham's stand will have gone a long way to rebuilding the red wall. Keep watching the polls, they are only going to go one way for the foreseeable future.
She continues as a Tory MP, she has not had the whip removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
So what has she quit? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
According to the BBC article I posted earlier, she has quit her job at DEFRAQuote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Her Government post. She was a PPS at the Department of the Environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Thanks. I'd not read that paragraph originally, I thought the article had moved on from discussing her by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It did kind of jump about. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
It's never a good idea to go too wild about 1 poll. Look at the trends ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
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Your chart says it so much better than my inane waffle managed to do. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Originally Posted by marinello59
I think the Tories are slow motion Donald Ducked already. Starmer is improving all the time, Covid is going to **** all overt the reputations of those in power for at least the next six months way worse than it has been in the first six and at the end of it all in three years time we'll have some Tory leader or other going back to the electorate offering the prospect of trying to deal with the Covid debt by raising taxes and cutting expenditure. They can kiss those Red Wall seats goodbye and a whole lot of other marginals and near marginals will be back in play.
With Brexit no longer a campaign issue I think Johnson or his successor will have a lot of explaining to do. Loving the long term polling trends.
Can't agree with that, they have merely fulfilled my expectations thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Whilst I don't disagree with a word of this, that's not a lovely situation for anyone to inherit at that point, and the worst thing would be for there to be a short-lived unpopular Labour administration, the Tories cull who they need to and come back in to power to do what they do for another generation soon after.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
I realise that I'm describing most of the rest of my life here, lots of years!
If saying fantastic and fabulous frequently is enough to convince the electorate (and post Brexit I'm not saying it isn't) Bozo and Sunak's session today should ensure another landslide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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Labour were ahead for the majority of 2010-15, often in double digits. Then the compliant media turned the screw and an avalanche of pro-Tory propaganda completely overturned that lead in a matter of months.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
As long as these conditions remain we're going to have a Conservative government for decades. It's not going to change, until the voter demographics have shifted to the degree that boomers and Gen X can no longer swing an election.
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she also thinks people with learning difficulties shouldn't have to be paid minimum wage, we are without a doubt witnessing the most evil crooked corrupt group of tories ever assembled in westminster.
HorrendousQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Marcus Rashfords Twitter this morning helps to restore faith in humanity a bit.. even though it’s farcical that it’s come to struggling businesses to step up.
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Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Doesn't it just? The guy is already a multi millionaire, has no need for the profile and his little to gain from it all and yet he's out in front doing what's right. And so are the businesses he is highlighting. It's an eternal fight between liberal and reactionary but this gives me faith that we will see the progressives in ascendancy again sooner or later.
The Tories in the Red Wall seats really have poured petrol on themselves and then lit matches on this stuff. Good.
Nothing should surprise me with Tories anymore, but the criticism of Rashford truly left me lost for words.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
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Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Seeing Tories trying to have a go at him for "virtue signaling" is pathetic.
The virtue signalling criticism doesn't even make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
He's both rallying other people to help and rolling up his sleeves and getting involved himself. He's not sitting about pontificating and waiting for someone else to do the job.
He's just a thoroughly decent person.
I’ve not saw this - where about is being criticised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
A few posters have touched on this above, but the main criticism seemed to be that he was "virtue-signalling". One of the reasons I was genuinely lost for words is that, as PB has said, it doesn't even make sense in this context.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Twitter criticism of him for being virtue signalling, ignorant, from MP Ben Bradley amongst others.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Well done.
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Originally Posted by Diclonius
They'll need a new catchphrase, as the Anti-Semitic slurs* they used on Corbyn aren't going to work this time.
* Interestingly enough, also used by the Guardian, who's policy is to never mention Corbyn in an article without using the phrase 'Anti-Semitic'.
:agree: Credit to Rashford and all the businesses\councils that are providing free lunches.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I predict Mr Ben Bradley is going to have a very short Westminster career. He certainly deserves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
It's because Rashford has demonstrated a humanity and genuine common touch which these b'strds often feign but occasionally the mask slips.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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‘Free school meals increase dependency culture’.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
A dangerous extremist right there.
Lovely guy. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/17/tory-...lised-7235510/