Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

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Just one on the whole Newco/Oldco I read somewhere that they were given co-efficient points by Uefa to be carried on by the old Rangers so it seems to me as if Uefa still consider them to be the same entity. However we wall know how corrupt Uefa/Fifa are so my point is probably irrelevant

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Originally Posted by pontius pilate

Just one on the whole Newco/Oldco I read somewhere that they were given co-efficient points by Uefa to be carried on by the old Rangers so it seems to me as if Uefa still consider them to be the same entity. However we wall know how corrupt Uefa/Fifa are so my point is probably irrelevant

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It matters not as they points that the 'old' Rangers accumulated will be outside the (five year) timeframe before the Newco comes anywhere near Europe.

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Originally Posted by jgl07

It matters not as they points that the 'old' Rangers accumulated will be outside the (five year) timeframe before the Newco comes anywhere near Europe.

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So they won't get the coefficient points anyway? Not that it matters, very good chance Sevco will liquidate with Whyte waiting to pounce and a £1m a month operating loss with no credit line possible.

Nothing to add, just trying to keep this ahead of the Hearts thread a bit longer


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Still the same cheating weedgie Hun arrogant *******s as always

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Originally Posted by BH Hibs

Still the same cheating weedgie Hun arrogant *******s as always

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... my arse! :fibber:

I've not read it anywhere in here so apologies if this is old news but...

I've just been told that Rangers are now Full Members of the SPFL. So, the only thing left that indicated they were a NEW club has been conveniently removed by the deck chair re-arranging Titanic Crew (SPL/SFL/SPFL)



Signed, Disgusted of Upper Bavaria.

RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-the-SPFL.html

I doubt the five year rule would have been abolished if Rangers had maintained full membership status.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

I doubt the five year rule would have been abolished if Rangers had maintained full membership status.

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I think the article is muddling two issues - membership of the SFA and membership of the SFL. Rangers' change of status in the league is not because they've abolished a rule, it's because the SPFL is effectively a rebranded SPL and the SFL has been abolished completely. The SFL had this distinction between associate and full members, which the SPL has never had. All new members of the SFL, including the newly admitted members (eg Peterhead, Elgin, Annan) had to go through this associate period before becoming full members.

The period of associate status for the SFL was only two years, not five. Annan, who were admitted to the SFL in 2008 after Gretna's demise, would not have had a vote on the Rangers situation last year if the associate period was five years. I believe the new Rangers would have gained full membership status of the SFL by the end of this season anyway. Another point to note is that lower division clubs have less voting rights within the SPFL structure than clubs in the higher divisions. It's also faintly ludicrous to suggest that Rangers have not had a say in the operation of the SFL over the last year, even though they did not have a vote on formal resolutions.

Also, as far as I understand, the new Rangers have had full membership of the SFA since they were allowed to play football at the start of last season.

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

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When the NewHuns eventually get back to the SPL, every other SPL team should stick 5 or 6 or 7 star on their shirts just for a laugh. Puts their meaningless stars into context as Sevco have won NOTHING other than the 3rd Div.

So now that the SPL has gone I take it the 11-1 voting structure has gone or is that still there for top division issues only? Are all votes now a 42 club issue?:confused:

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-the-SPFL.html

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Well, no.

Everybody that cares about the game, cares about Rangers. :blah:

What a bunch of utter clowns.

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

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It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

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My thoughts entirely. Whilst, of course, I see the argument for the latter, the former works for me.

However, as I've said often on here, this argument will rage forever and will never be settled.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

My thoughts entirely. Whilst, of course, I see the argument for the latter, the former works for me.

However, as I've said often on here, this argument will rage forever and will never be settled.

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Which is better than nothing!

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Originally Posted by marinello59

It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

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Sentimental claptrap. The club is not a fictional element of the fans combined will. It is an entity run by a bunch blokes who strive to gain any advantage over other clubs. They cheated, were found out, and punished.

The fans can try and kid themselves on, but RFC is dead.

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

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Originally Posted by LeighLoyal

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

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I rest my case

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Originally Posted by LeighLoyal

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

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Amen!

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Originally Posted by LeighLoyal

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

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:top marks

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Originally Posted by jonty

Sentimental claptrap. The club is not a fictional element of the fans combined will. It is an entity run by a bunch blokes who strive to gain any advantage over other clubs. They cheated, were found out, and punished.

The fans can try and kid themselves on, but RFC is dead.

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A lot of stuff surrounding fitba is sentimental claptrap. I don't think that is a bad thing. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by LeighLoyal

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

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I do get that argument. I would be taking the same line as the Rangers fans if it ever happened to Hibs though, no matter what the lawyers and suits said.
It is fun to tell them they ain't the same club though.:greengrin

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Originally Posted by marinello59

A lot of stuff surrounding fitba is sentimental claptrap. I don't think that is a bad thing. :greengrin

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Tell that to the poor kids who have no clothes, no heating and xmas presents because dad bought shares (different club, same sentimental claptrap)

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I do get that argument. I would be taking the same line as the Rangers fans if it ever happened to Hibs though, no matter what the lawyers and suits said.
It is fun to tell them they ain't the same club though.:greengrin

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If it ever happens to Hibs, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. until then...... :greengrin

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Originally Posted by LeighLoyal

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

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Quality post.:not worth It's such a shame the Neanderthals will never get it.

Interesting if true.


@AgentScotland: Dean Shiels will be allowed to leave Ibrox for nothing if he can find a club, still has 3yr on £7k p/w so unlikely he'll move without payoff

@AgentScotland: Ian Black would also be allowed to leave tho still has over £1m in potential wages to collect from Ibrox which he wont get anywhere else

Anything AgentScotland says has to be taken with a pinch if salt, although money is getting tighter at Grayskull so wouldn't be too surprised.

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Originally Posted by green glory

Interesting if true.


@AgentScotland: Dean Shiels will be allowed to leave Ibrox for nothing if he can find a club, still has 3yr on £7k p/w so unlikely he'll move without payoff

@AgentScotland: Ian Black would also be allowed to leave tho still has over £1m in potential wages to collect from Ibrox which he wont get anywhere else

Anything AgentScotland says has to be taken with a pinch if salt, although money is getting tighter at Grayskull so wouldn't be too surprised.

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I think money is getting tighter. Fat Sally's been told to sell before he can bring new faces in

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

I think money is getting tighter. Fat Sally's been told to sell before he can bring new faces in

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There was a good article by Michael Grant in the Herald about this the other day. Apparently even after shedding a few of the bigger salaries (Goian, Bocanegra and a couple of the executives that came with Green), they are still losing over £400K a month. Yet McCoist continually demands more players (to beat part timers). I think the notion of Sevco having a "warchest" when they get into the top flight has been dispelled.

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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter

There was a good article by Michael Grant in the Herald about this the other day. Apparently even after shedding a few of the bigger salaries (Goian, Bocanegra and a couple of the executives that came with Green), they are still losing over £400K a month. Yet McCoist continually demands more players (to beat part timers). I think the notion of Sevco having a "warchest" when they get into the top flight has been dispelled.

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That's because he's a clueless fat **** of a manager and having far superior players in the only way they'll win

Do not want Dean Sheils.

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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter

There was a good article by Michael Grant in the Herald about this the other day. Apparently even after shedding a few of the bigger salaries (Goian, Bocanegra and a couple of the executives that came with Green), they are still losing over £400K a month. Yet McCoist continually demands more players (to beat part timers). I think the notion of Sevco having a "warchest" when they get into the top flight has been dispelled.

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Absolute no shame

No lessons learnt at all


Rangers cash warning
Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.
Writing in The Herald, Michael Grant warns that the Ibrox club, who have made the most off-season signings in Scotland, cost around £1.5m to run per month, but only £1.1m is coming in.


:rolleyes:

So, last year's batch of over-paid mercenaries (chosen by McCoist) is no longer good enough and they now want a fresh batch, while having to find mega dosh to pay off the last lot.


Surely the best thing that lot could do is to pay off their useless manager, who knows only throwing money at a problem, and get in somebody that actually has a clue?

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Originally Posted by poolman

Absolute no shame

No lessons learnt at all


Rangers cash warning
Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.
Writing in The Herald, Michael Grant warns that the Ibrox club, who have made the most off-season signings in Scotland, cost around £1.5m to run per month, but only £1.1m is coming in.


:rolleyes:

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:agree: The Yams'll be just the same once their medicine has been swallowed. Two cheeks from the same arse the pair of them.

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

So, last year's batch of over-paid mercenaries (chosen by McCoist) is no longer good enough and they now want a fresh batch, while having to find mega dosh to pay off the last lot.


Surely the best thing that lot could do is to pay off their useless manager, who knows only throwing money at a problem, and get in somebody that actually has a clue?

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Aye, but where's the fun in that, for the rest of us who like to see the FT scores come in and The Rangers lose yet another away match :greengrin

I would find it very 'pleasing' if Ian Black was to be released.

Anyone got that clip of him being karate kicked in the ribs during a D3 game and the referee deciding it was only worthy of a booking?

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

I would find it very 'pleasing' if Ian Black was to be released.

Anyone got that clip of him being karate kicked in the ribs during a D3 game and the referee deciding it was only worthy of a booking?

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http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/gi...irling-albion/

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Originally Posted by LeighLoyal

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

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I had the misfortune to be on a train bound for Glasgow one Saturday last March which was full of them heading for Ibrox. Whilst much of what you say is true and i quite like the fact that they were sunk by a phantom tax bill that looks like it may well have been absolute bollocks for me its not a black & white issue. The reality is that people are still going to Ibrox in big numbers to watch a team called Rangers playing in blue whose fans are some of the most unpleasant creatures you will ever find. The bigotry is certainly back worse than before from what I heard on the train.

To me if it looks like a dog and barks like a dog and wants to bite you then it usually is a dog.
The only difference now is that Rangers fans now have a huge chip of paranoia on their shoulders and that Celtic appear to be the Establishment club with an unhealthy degree of influence inside the SFA.

Assuming all progresses on track by August 2015 this is all water under the bridge. Brand Old Firm will be back (Dashing Bob rightly calls them Scotland's social dustbin) and Celtic will be shamelessly jumping back on board.

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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/gi...irling-albion/

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I have watched that clip a number of times, and for the life of me i cant understand why a foul was awarded?

You cant tackle sevco players properly these days without earning a booking.

'Mon the Binos!

They are and will continue to be The Rangers in my book.

They have one trophy to their name. The end.

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Originally Posted by poolman

Absolute no shame

No lessons learnt at all


Rangers cash warning
Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.
Writing in The Herald, Michael Grant warns that the Ibrox club, who have made the most off-season signings in Scotland, cost around £1.5m to run per month, but only £1.1m is coming in.


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Disgraceful. I thought Newco were supposed to be a break from the loss-making ways of the past.

Obviously there are a lot of costs involved, but if reports are true Shiels accounts for around £30,000 of that monthly expenditure total on his own. God knows how much fat Swally eats his way through.

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-the-SPFL.html

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All very fine and dandy, but surely they should all wait to see what The Rangers or The the Rangers have to say, only seems fair that the new boy gets a chance to be ignored as well eh?

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

Disgraceful. I thought Newco were supposed to be a break from the loss-making ways of the past.

Obviously there are a lot of costs involved, but if reports are true Shiels accounts for around £30,000 of that monthly expenditure total on his own. God knows how much fat Swally eats his way through.

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Dont think that this is widely known but FFS


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...goian.21484411

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Originally Posted by poolman

Dont think that this is widely known but FFS


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...goian.21484411

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Staggering no wonder they were in deep financial trouble, and also this story about them building up debt once again, makes you wonder what their debt will be by the time they make it back to the SPL.

Can see them going into administration again in the future, they certainly have not learned any lesson.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...again.21493542

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Originally Posted by poolman

Dont think that this is widely known but FFS


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...goian.21484411

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I agree with the comments on that story - if you are going to pay a player a year's wages up front to get rid of them, why not keep them in the squad? Utterly baffling.

Wow! That kinda money could keep Hearts going for another fortnight!

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

Wow! That kinda money could keep Hearts going for another fortnight!

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£1m in wages due to Franny Sanders as well for his outrageous sacking by racist liar Green.

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

I agree with the comments on that story - if you are going to pay a player a year's wages up front to get rid of them, why not keep them in the squad? Utterly baffling.

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Saves a bit of employer's NIC, but it is still a pretty crap deal.

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Originally Posted by poolman

Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.

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Might the Scotsman be a better newspaper if it employed littrit people to write the articles? :hmmm:

Don't know if this has been mentioned already. The Rangers are splashing the cash on some fancy Wi-Fi thing.

What I don't understand is that they were so desperate to have The Rangers in the SPL and now they're so desperate to get them back up into the SPFL.

The reason they say is for "financial" reasons.

Yet, all they've done is ripped Scotland off and are now attempting the same thing again.

There's no benefit to the country by having them in the SPFL. Neither financially or morally.

Dearie me - Fat Sally's theory on the transfer market seems to parallel his attitude to his dinner - ie. stuff your face, stuff your face some more and keep stuffing until ...

a) the cupboard is empty
b) you get booted out of the kitchen
c) you explode

The way the Sev-huns are carrying on it could yet be all three! Despite supposedly being on a rigorous diet (ie transfer ban) they simply cannot help themselves as their gluttony knows no bounds. If their bloated re-animated form suffers another coronary they will have absolutely no-one to blame but themselves - here's hoping next time it's fatal!

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Originally Posted by basehibby

Dearie me - Fat Sally's theory on the transfer market seems to parallel his attitude to his dinner - ie. stuff your face, stuff your face some more and keep stuffing until ...

a) the cupboard is empty
b) you get booted out of the kitchen
c) you explode

The way the Sev-huns are carrying on it could yet be all three! Despite supposedly being on a rigorous diet (ie transfer ban) they simply cannot help themselves as their gluttony knows no bounds. If their bloated re-animated form suffers another coronary they will have absolutely no-one to blame but themselves - here's hoping next time it's fatal!

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It was fatal, their club and its history died, but I get your meaning. If Sevco died it's likely another mob claiming to be Rangers will pop up.

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Originally Posted by Cilla Black

Don't know if this has been mentioned already. The Rangers are splashing the cash on some fancy Wi-Fi thing.

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This is the start of their long term strategy to make money through the use of the internet. They plan to enlist over a million subscribers to The Rangers TV. All contact with the MSM will cease and their fans will have to pay a subscription to find out what is going on in the Club. This is why they brought in Fatty Traynor.

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

I agree with the comments on that story - if you are going to pay a player a year's wages up front to get rid of them, why not keep them in the squad? Utterly baffling.

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probably save money in appearance and win bonuses amongst other things.

With all the attention over on Gorgie this nearly slipped under the radar.


http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Rangers International F C drop 15% on heavy trading. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by greenginger

With all the attention over on Gorgie this nearly slipped under the radar.


http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Rangers International F C drop 15% on heavy trading. :greengrin

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So from a high of 93.00 they're now 42.50?


Wow, they ARE doing well.

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

So from a high of 93.00 they're now 42.50?


Wow, they ARE doing well.

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Its like watching the Ukio Bankas declines in the good old days of Vlad. :greengrin

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Its like watching the Ukio Bankas declines in the good old days of Vlad. :greengrin

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Funny that's exactly what I was thinking. And how did that pan out?

I've said it previously on this thread, I still get a horrible feeling they [Hearts] will somehow wriggle out of this, I sincerely hope not though.

:pfgwa

Do they owe the share price to themselves though?

#allverycomplex

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I've said it previously on this thread, I still get a horrible feeling they will somehow wriggle out of this, I sincerely hope not though.

:pfgwa

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please state the logic and facts for this feeling?

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please state the logic and facts for this feeling?

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Logic is that the auth's were sore at losing the the rangers from the top division last year. They 'might' think they'll be able to sweep the mini-orc mess under the carpet. So far, they seem to be less than pro-active, and the new season is only a matter of days away.

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Logic is that the auth's were sore at losing the the rangers from the top division last year. They 'might' think they'll be able to sweep the mini-orc mess under the carpet. So far, they seem to be less than pro-active, and the new season is only a matter of days away.

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I don't think sweeping things under the carpet is based in logic.

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I don't think sweeping things under the carpet is based in logic.

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The SFA today announced that they no longer need to have an enquiry into the takeover of Rangers because Rangers themselves had such an enquiry (defining their own parameters) and cleared themselves of all charges.


That's in no way logical either, so you can see where he's coming from.

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With all the attention over on Gorgie this nearly slipped under the radar.


http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Rangers International F C drop 15% on heavy trading. :greengrin

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Yeah, not to mention the SFA whitewash continuing................

http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman...robe-1-3003679

But don't worry the SFA asked 'specific' questions, so that's alright.:faf:

I wonder if other clubs due to be investigated by the SFA should offer to investigate themselves, now that the precedent has been set.

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The SFA today announced that they no longer need to have an enquiry into the takeover of Rangers because Rangers themselves had such an enquiry (defining their own parameters) and cleared themselves of all charges.


That's in no way logical either, so you can see where he's coming from.

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I'm sure the Rangers own inquiry had a start date of when Chuckie formed Sevco Scotland and what went on before with Whytey and the first Sevco was ignored. Hope Whyte gets his day in court just to expose the cover-up.

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I'm sure the Rangers own inquiry had a start date of when Chuckie formed Sevco Scotland and what went on before with Whytey and the first Sevco was ignored. Hope Whyte gets his day in court just to expose the cover-up.

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There's been lots of juicy titbits on the Charlotte Fakeovers twitter etc. The press are obviously aware of it all because they've used the odd bit here and there but predictably only anything that suits the current agenda of the Walter/Traynor/Fat Ally faction.

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Originally Posted by Mango Kid

I've said it previously on this thread, I still get a horrible feeling they [Hearts] will somehow wriggle out of this, I sincerely hope not though.

:pfgwa

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Bloody hell, this was meant to be posted on the Hearts thread, ha, still kinda works.

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Bloody hell, this was meant to be posted on the Hearts thread, ha, still kinda works.

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Don't worry, I think it probably was and some Admin moved it. My reply, regarding how the SFA decision on Rangers and how it relates to Hearts, has been moved to this thread as well, even though it's Hearts specific.


Ask the Admins why, they've been moving loads of stuff about recently.

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Over 1.5 million shares sold today. Some people getting out before the stampede, but whose getting in :confused:

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http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Over 1.5 million shares sold today. Some people getting out before the stampede, but whose getting in :confused:

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Perhaps the guy in the wheelchair.... can't remember his name.

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Don't worry, I think it probably was and some Admin moved it. My reply, regarding how the SFA decision on Rangers and how it relates to Hearts, has been moved to this thread as well, even though it's Hearts specific.


Ask the Admins why, they've been moving loads of stuff about recently.

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The constant moving of posts, merging and unmerging of threads is becoming tedious.

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Perhaps the guy in the wheelchair.... can't remember his name.

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Ironside?

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The constant moving of posts, merging and unmerging of threads is becoming tedious.

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:agree:

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...n-walking/5413

The Second Tier Tax Tribunal got underway in Edinburgh as well today.

Nail those tax dodging vermin.

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http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...n-walking/5413

The Second Tier Tax Tribunal got underway in Edinburgh as well today.

Nail those tax dodging vermin.

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TBH, there's not a lot they can nail them with. It's more about setting precedent than getting cash out of the company.

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TBH, there's not a lot they can nail them with. It's more about setting precedent than getting cash out of the company.

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I know but the Bluenose Loyal will have to drop their " we're no guilty of anything bullsh*t " and admit they are or were a bunch of thieves.

Will be rather difficult for a couple of smart suited, polite talking Huns I know. :greengrin

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I know but the Bluenose Loyal will have to drop their " we're no guilty of anything bullsh*t " and admit they are or were a bunch of thieves.

Will be rather difficult for a couple of smart suited, polite talking Huns I know. :greengrin

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Considering they've created their own special version of reality that Sevco exists in, I doubt it'll make much difference. They'll still be the same club, with the same history suffering from an unjust punishment from the sinister catholic agenda... :rolleyes:

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I know but the Bluenose Loyal will have to drop their " we're no guilty of anything bullsh*t " and admit they are or were a bunch of thieves.

Will be rather difficult for a couple of smart suited, polite talking Huns I know. :greengrin

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What might change things, albeit only a tad, would be if HMRC decided to go for criminal proceedings. (I don't think that they will). If they do, it will be years away once the civil procedure has been exhausted.....when RFC will be back lording it over all of us and all of this will be hazy history.

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http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Over 1.5 million shares sold today. Some people getting out before the stampede, but whose getting in :confused:

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There are claims on several sites that Charles Green's share holding has dropped by 1.5 million today. Rangers changed their AIM adviser a week or two ago. The new ones must have agreed to unlock his shares earlier than the previously arranged date.

He's obviously decided which way the price is going to move. Any sign of audited accounts?

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There are claims on several sites that Charles Green's share holding has dropped by 1.5 million today. Rangers changed their AIM adviser a week or two ago. The new ones must have agreed to unlock his shares earlier than the previously arranged date.

He's obviously decided which way the price is going to move. Any sign of audited accounts?

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The PLC's accounting date is the end of November, not due at Companies House until May 2014.

The Rangers Football Club Limited has an accounting date of 30 June, not due until February.

Does anyone know if this is a general rule for all clubs or just for The Rangers, given their situation?

They've been told that whilst they're allowed to field trialists in the first round of the Ramsdens (tomorrow vs Albion Rovers), they won't be able to do so in the second round (assuming of course that they do, as expected, get past Albion Rovers).

The SPFL have admitted there's no logical reason for this and they can't explain why it is the case and it certainly seems a bizarre one to me.

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Does anyone know if this is a general rule for all clubs or just for The Rangers, given their situation?

They've been told that whilst they're allowed to field trialists in the first round of the Ramsdens (tomorrow vs Albion Rovers), they won't be able to do so in the second round (assuming of course that they do, as expected, get past Albion Rovers).

The SPFL have admitted there's no logical reason for this and they can't explain why it is the case and it certainly seems a bizarre one to me.

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It would be a competition ruling.

There's no way they could allow Sevco to field trialists and prevent other clubs from doing likewise.

This little gem was tweeted a month ago by Charlotte

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rl17m9

check the Ted Smith email and its alleged origin

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Does anyone know if this is a general rule for all clubs or just for The Rangers, given their situation?

They've been told that whilst they're allowed to field trialists in the first round of the Ramsdens (tomorrow vs Albion Rovers), they won't be able to do so in the second round (assuming of course that they do, as expected, get past Albion Rovers).

The SPFL have admitted there's no logical reason for this and they can't explain why it is the case and it certainly seems a bizarre one to me.

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Its maybe to do with the first round being so early in the summer that they allow teams a few trialists as a lot of teams won't have full squads for the upcoming season whereas when the second round comes along squads will/should be almost complete.

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The PLC's accounting date is the end of November, not due at Companies House until May 2014.

The Rangers Football Club Limited has an accounting date of 30 June, not due until February.

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I seem to recall that there was a rule that Rangers would have to have 3 sets of accounts before they would get a Euro License to play in Europa League.

Is this correct or just Hibs.net wishful thinking. Its just I was lying on a sunny beach in foreign climes today reading a Daily Record ( I know ). Anyway there was an article on how the Gers want to play in Europe next season by winning the Scottish Cup. :confused:

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I seem to recall that there was a rule that Rangers would have to have 3 sets of accounts before they would get a Euro License to play in Europa League.

Is this correct or just Hibs.net wishful thinking. Its just I was lying on a sunny beach in foreign climes today reading a Daily Record ( I know ). Anyway there was an article on how the Gers want to play in Europe next season by winning the Scottish Cup. :confused:

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No they will not.

You need three years worth of audited accounts to be eligible for a European Licence. This is needed to comply with FFP requirements.

Sevco have yet to submit a set of accounts as far as I am aware. If the rumours about Rangers finance are correct they will struggle to meet FFP requirements.

The answer the SPFL gave about this is that they inherited this rule (from the SFL) and had no idea why it was the case. I would presume they either have at least ONE person working for them that used to work for the SFL they could ask or. failing that, someone they could call.


I loved McCoist's warped logic on the matter. He didn't think it unfair that he could play trialists in the first round but instead railed against the fact that he was trying to field a settled team and it was unfair he would have to change it in subsequent rounds. No mention of the fact that they are SUPPOSED to be the subject of a transfer embargo.

Hi guys. I'm new on here so be nice!

Trialists are allowed in the first round of the Challenge Cup, there was 1 on the bench for Spartans yesterday.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, they said that Hamilton were playing a trialist and that he had a shirt with 30 and "Trialist" on the back.

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Hi guys. I'm new on here so be nice!

Trialists are allowed in the first round of the Challenge Cup, there was 1 on the bench for Spartans yesterday.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, they said that Hamilton were playing a trialist and that he had a shirt with 30 and "Trialist" on the back.

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Welcome Back Lounge!

Yes, there were a few trialists being played in the competition yesterday - my query was related to how the SPFL can justify not allowing their inclusion in the next round, being that they themselves don't understand the rule.

Watching Albion Rovers vs Rangers in the Ramsdens Cup just now and Rangers will absolutely piss all over the SPFL League 1 with the team they've put together over the summer.

Nicky Law looks sensational and Daly looks incredibly comfortable up front for them. Not to mention Nicky Clark, Ricky Foster, Arnold Peralta and Bilel Mohsni...

An absolute embarrassment of riches for a club with a supposed transfer embargo imposed upon them.

Welcome to Scottish Football.


Rotten to the core.

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Watching Albion Rovers vs Rangers in the Ramsdens Cup just now and Rangers will absolutely piss all over the SPFL League 1 with the team they've put together over the summer.

Nicky Law looks sensational and Daly looks incredibly comfortable up front for them. Not to mention Nicky Clark, Ricky Foster, Arnold Peralta and Bilel Mohsni...

An absolute embarrassment of riches for a club with a supposed transfer embargo imposed upon them.

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and still spending outwith their means again!!

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No they will not.

You need three years worth of audited accounts to be eligible for a European Licence. This is needed to comply with FFP requirements.

Sevco have yet to submit a set of accounts as far as I am aware. If the rumours about Rangers finance are correct they will struggle to meet FFP requirements.

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If only we had failed to submit audited accounts within the past 3 years :rolleyes:

Cheers "mergers" :aok:

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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

Watching Albion Rovers vs Rangers in the Ramsdens Cup just now and Rangers will absolutely piss all over the SPFL League 1 with the team they've put together over the summer.

Nicky Law looks sensational and Daly looks incredibly comfortable up front for them. Not to mention Nicky Clark, Ricky Foster, Arnold Peralta and Bilel Mohsni...

An absolute embarrassment of riches for a club with a supposed transfer embargo imposed upon them.

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A punishment that never was a punishment...:confused:

The dates for the start and finish of the " embargo ", carefully arranged to allow SevCo to operate in both summer transfer windows, thereby ensuring their swift passage back to the top league as soon as possible. The SPFL wants its two horse race back.

Isn`t it good to know that, with one solitary exception, the same corrupt, odious individuals responsible for the entire sham are still governing our game.

Admin pricks out, Keekaboo in :agree: