Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by hibs13681

Not to mentioned the 24.4 million from ticketus which has been eaten up somewhere. Personally I think the money has been saved and transferred to another company so that Rangers will immediately have 'investment' when they exit administration or a phoenix company is born. What is interesting is that HMRC did not want to put rangers into administration over the big tax case but for the sum of 9 million in unpaid taxes. I wonder what will happen if Rangers exit administration and then the big tax case hits?

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Might explain Whyte's claim that he'd 'provide' £25m for investment in the team over the next five years ?

I hope they get precisely what's coming to them.

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Originally Posted by John_the_angus_hibby

This story will never be played straight in the Scottish media. This story will remain a Scottish football at risk story rather than what it is, a story about a fraudulent and corrupt organisation that is trying to steal public money. Why? Look at the pages and the % of airtime they get in our press. Journalists and pundits jobs are at risk here as 90% of every Scottish football story has an OF slant.

We will never get the unbiased view from the established media. Thank god for independent bloggers who dig and just tell it like it is.

The Scottish establishment WILL fight tooth and nail to have Rangers survive in some format. I hope they fail. As the posters on here have wonderfully expressed, it is the future of Scottish Football that is at stake...just not in the way our lapdog media is spinning it.

Death to RFC as a club , institution and memory.


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100% agree.

Won't happen as the organisation would be a 'mare, but it would be cool if a weekend boycott could be organised across the board in the SPL. Would be great if virtually only Rangers fans turned up for the weekend. Empty stadiums up and down the country. Would send a big message but only a dream alas!


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Why should we bother about the old firm, they would not hesitate going down to England now, maybe the huns will reform in the English leagues. Local team may benefit from new supporters.

We just need to make clear on forums such as this as the board almost certainly read what the fans think.
Next time you see Rod walking about behind the goals tell him what you expect of him on this matter.
This is probably the only chance we will be able to change the Scottish game for the better and for the Hibs board not to take it would be unforgivable.

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Originally Posted by SunnyLeith

Hibs wont comment on something that is hypothetical, though looking likely , at the moment.

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Fair enough SO but surely they should be made aware of the strength of Hibs fans feelings on the matter which will help shape their position should it come to pass?

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Originally Posted by MCameron

Fair enough SO but surely they should be made aware of the strength of Hibs fans feelings on the matter which will help shape their position should it come to pass?

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The time to do that is when there is a specific thing upon which Hibs have to decide - when the SPL vote on NewHun coming into the league if they go into liquidation. If they go into and come out of administration unscathed - which seems increasingly unlikely I think - then there is no sanction Hibs/the SPL can legally take other than what they have done so far as far as I am aware. If Hibs have an option to consign them to division three (which would be the right thing to do for RFC2012) THAT's when we have to say "have the cahoonas to do the necessary or be aware of the consequences"

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Originally Posted by TwoCarpets

The time to do that is when there is a specific thing upon which Hibs have to decide - when the SPL vote on NewHun coming into the league if they go into liquidation. If they go into and come out of administration unscathed - which seems increasingly unlikely I think - then there is no sanction Hibs/the SPL can legally take other than what they have done so far as far as I am aware. If Hibs have an option to consign them to division three (which would be the right thing to do for RFC2012) THAT's when we have to say "have the cahoonas to do the necessary or be aware of the consequences"

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Spot on.

This is terrifying, the ICF against HMRC. No seriously.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...41791642_n.jpg

Someone over on hunmedia saying there are rumours Whyte is on a plane to London en-route to Australia. Might not be true but if it is. The Hibees salute you!!

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

This is terrifying, the ICF against HMRC. No seriously.

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I'm sure Danny Dyer will be there to record all events as its going to be pwopper nauwtie.
Got some big top boys the HMRC mob

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

This is terrifying, the ICF against HMRC. No seriously.

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Classic OF spelling problem.

But is this a threat or a promise? I'm confused are they going to fight the Taxman?

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

We just need to make clear on forums such as this as the board almost certainly read what the fans think.
Next time you see Rod walking about behind the goals tell him what you expect of him on this matter.
This is probably the only chance we will be able to change the Scottish game for the better and for the Hibs board not to take it would be unforgivable.

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The BBC just meekly doing everything they can to sell the idea that (somehow) Celtic, and 'Scottish Football' need Rangers!

Says who??

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Originally Posted by Cropley10

Classic OF spelling problem.

But is this a threat or a promise? I'm confused are they going to fight the Taxman?

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No, they are going to refuse to cash their benefit cheques in protest. :agree:

While undoubtedly my heart says that it would be brilliant to have no Rangers in Scottish football, and that 100% they should face the consequences of their mis-management, I think the SPL have a huge dilemma to face up to if they do go into liquidation.

For one, re-instating them sets a very dangerous precedent because it paves the way for any number of clubs to emerge from financial mis-management almost unscathed.

Then the risk alienating the fans of all other clubs, most of whom would be keen to see Rangers get their cumuppance.

The problem is, financially the SPL and it's clubs are much better off with Rangers in the league. TV rights are more valuable and lucrative, as well as easier to sell with the OF derby, and the fact that the title race is generally close between the two of them.

Rangers bring a huge travelling support that boosts the coffers of the rest of the SPL twice a season, not to mention cup games.

By not allowing Rangers an SPL place, the SPL risks forcing all clubs to downsize as there is significantly lower income available, therefore everyone would have to cut their cloth accordingly. For us, where we lost almost a million pounds last season and are facing a poor financial year again this year, dropping the income further could be catastrophic and result in a significant change in the way the club is run.

Would clubs vote for a situation that would potentially put their own existence in jeopardy? I don't think so.

Ultimately, would we want to see a Hibs side far poorer than the one we've got just now as a result of having to downsize? I'm not sure I would, to be honest.

What's wrong with well-implemented reparations?

Like a student loan - you pay on a sliding scale with transparency to prove no shady dealings.

And they're not allowed to annex Govan or march in groups of more than 3 at a time.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

While undoubtedly my heart says that it would be brilliant to have no Rangers in Scottish football, and that 100% they should face the consequences of their mis-management, I think the SPL have a huge dilemma to face up to if they do go into liquidation.

For one, re-instating them sets a very dangerous precedent because it paves the way for any number of clubs to emerge from financial mis-management almost unscathed.

Then the risk alienating the fans of all other clubs, most of whom would be keen to see Rangers get their cumuppance.

The problem is, financially the SPL and it's clubs are much better off with Rangers in the league. TV rights are more valuable and lucrative, as well as easier to sell with the OF derby, and the fact that the title race is generally close between the two of them.

Rangers bring a huge travelling support that boosts the coffers of the rest of the SPL twice a season, not to mention cup games.

By not allowing Rangers an SPL place, the SPL risks forcing all clubs to downsize as there is significantly lower income available, therefore everyone would have to cut their cloth accordingly. For us, where we lost almost a million pounds last season and are facing a poor financial year again this year, dropping the income further could be catastrophic and result in a significant change in the way the club is run.

Would clubs vote for a situation that would potentially put their own existence in jeopardy? I don't think so.

Ultimately, would we want to see a Hibs side far poorer than the one we've got just now as a result of having to downsize? I'm not sure I would, to be honest.

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Thoughtful analysis as ever Matty rock and a hard place - what would you do?

Something will need to be done but I suspect behind closed doors to save face.
Will we get to know about it? I wonder. It's a &£@@ state of affairs as Renton said.

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Originally Posted by VivaPalmeiras

Thoughtful analysis as ever Matty rock and a hard place - what would you do?

Something will need to be done but I suspect behind closed doors to save face.
Will we get to know about it? I wonder. It's a &£@@ state of affairs as Renton said.

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I'd vote for them tae get tae ****

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

I'd vote for them tae get tae ****

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Think I would too, on reflection.:greengrin

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Originally Posted by matty_f

While undoubtedly my heart says that it would be brilliant to have no Rangers in Scottish football, and that 100% they should face the consequences of their mis-management, I think the SPL have a huge dilemma to face up to if they do go into liquidation.

For one, re-instating them sets a very dangerous precedent because it paves the way for any number of clubs to emerge from financial mis-management almost unscathed.

Then the risk alienating the fans of all other clubs, most of whom would be keen to see Rangers get their cumuppance.

The problem is, financially the SPL and it's clubs are much better off with Rangers in the league. TV rights are more valuable and lucrative, as well as easier to sell with the OF derby, and the fact that the title race is generally close between the two of them.

Rangers bring a huge travelling support that boosts the coffers of the rest of the SPL twice a season, not to mention cup games.

By not allowing Rangers an SPL place, the SPL risks forcing all clubs to downsize as there is significantly lower income available, therefore everyone would have to cut their cloth accordingly. For us, where we lost almost a million pounds last season and are facing a poor financial year again this year, dropping the income further could be catastrophic and result in a significant change in the way the club is run.

Would clubs vote for a situation that would potentially put their own existence in jeopardy? I don't think so.

Ultimately, would we want to see a Hibs side far poorer than the one we've got just now as a result of having to downsize? I'm not sure I would, to be honest.

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I don't think Rangers will get to that stage - if they do they have to face the consequences. If the clubs let them away with it -it would be the end for the game in Scotland.

At Hibs at least we run our club pretty well compared to others so we would maybe come out better than some - yes it may damage SPL short term but long term - Hibs and the SPL would be more competitive.

Too long teams have been sucking up to the Old Firm and it's time that changed :agree:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...=feeds-newsxml

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Originally Posted by VivaPalmeiras

Thoughtful analysis as ever Matty rock and a hard place - what would you do?

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Lock the gates at Ibrox for good. Preferably during a home game with a full house, so that at least some of the bigoted hordes are removed from civilised society for a while.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Good to read. Hopefully if Rangers try to not pay their debts and carry on regardless the other 11 teams will collectively refuse tp play in the league. Our chairmen need to grow a set.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Good to read. Hopefully if Rangers try to not pay their debts and carry on regardless the other 11 teams will collectively refuse tp play in the league. Our chairmen need to grow a set.

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:agree: They have to be brought to book for their actions, or it really is the end game for Scottish football. If they get away with it, what is the point of carrying on anymore?:confused:

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Originally Posted by matty_f

While undoubtedly my heart says that it would be brilliant to have no Rangers in Scottish football, and that 100% they should face the consequences of their mis-management, I think the SPL have a huge dilemma to face up to if they do go into liquidation.



Rangers bring a huge travelling support that boosts the coffers of the rest of the SPL twice a season, not to mention cup games.

By not allowing Rangers an SPL place, the SPL risks forcing all clubs to downsize as there is significantly lower income available, therefore everyone would have to cut their cloth accordingly. For us, where we lost almost a million pounds last season and are facing a poor financial year again this year, dropping the income further could be catastrophic and result in a significant change in the way the club is run.

Would clubs vote for a situation that would potentially put their own existence in jeopardy? I don't think so.

Ultimately, would we want to see a Hibs side far poorer than the one we've got just now as a result of having to downsize? I'm not sure I would, to be honest.

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I think your believing what pundits are spouting. We will only play the Huns once at home this season, and the gate that day was 11,380.Thats only 1200 more than Saturdays gate against the Dons which incurred far less costs than hosting the Huns.

For a Rangers game the police costs are about double and stewarding about 50% more than a run of the mill SPL fixture therefor they are not profitable unless we get 16,000 + supporters through the turnstiles.

Where it would cost clubs would be in the T V deal but a more even share of a smaller deal might be not that much of a loss to make up for life without the Blue Turds.

If the huns do go into liquidation theres only one way to stop the other half of the manky mob running away with the league every year.


The remaining SPL clubs ( excluding celtic of course ) vote for a wage cap of £5,000 and win bonuses capped to £1,000

This would prevent any club being able to dominate the league ever again, including the new huns when they finally claw their way back out of the 3rd division.

The clubs could also vote in an even split of any TV deal. Yeh the TV money would be less, but with an even split the only clubs who would really suffer would be the OF coz they get the majority of the money just now anyway.

Also the rest of the SPL clubs would hopefully benefit from a rise in home crowds due to the more competative league.

This is a golden chance for Scottish football in my opinion.

Yes it would reduce our chances of doing well in Europe, but .... A ) we aint exactly doing that well just now anyway and .... B ) whats the point of worrying about the new extension when the rest of your bloody house is burning down ?

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Originally Posted by greenginger

I think your believing what pundits are spouting. We will only play the Huns once at home this season, and the gate that day was 11,380.Thats only 1200 more than Saturdays gate against the Dons which incurred far less costs than hosting the Huns.

For a Rangers game the police costs are about double and stewarding about 50% more than a run of the mill SPL fixture therefor they are not profitable unless we get 16,000 + supporters through the turnstiles.

Where it would cost clubs would be in the T V deal but a more even share of a smaller deal might be not that much of a loss to make up for life without the Blue Turds.

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This. :agree:

I don't see how the TV money would change surely it's just like them getting relegated?:confused:

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Originally Posted by TRC

I don't see how the TV money would change surely it's just like them getting relegated?:confused:

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If Sky were smart, and you have to assume they are, they would have seen that Rangers hitting the skids was a distinct possibility, and inserted some sort of clause to protect themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=n-Eop3SDT1U