A cult following, everyone of them is a cult.Quote:
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A cult following, everyone of them is a cult.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH_MYB
Will just make it all the more enjoyable when the inevitable happens IMO !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Add the boy that used to run Luckies that "chartered" the plane for a Euro trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca70
Hearts staff told all cuts will be made by end of play today (per the live feed - cheers for that Sergey)
Ryan Stevenson - I wonder..............
Erm, hi darling, it's me... I erm, don't have good news........
Administrators told staff they hope to retain majority of playing staff. But some will need to be sold.
Bryan Jackson photographed arriving at Tynecastle early this morning…..
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and if no-one wants them ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Those staff who do keep their jobs have been told there can be no guarantee when they will receive pay
You can just donate my, and my good friend and fellow pledger Richard Soles' share of the diamonds to Dnipro Kids please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Well.............:faf::faf::faf::faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
Fixed that for you :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Andrew Chambers@stvAndyC Hearts staff told all cuts will be made by end of play today. #HMFC
Not nice to see anybody loose their jobs in the current climate.
Agree, they are a bunch of cults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Administrators told staff that they hope to meet with one of the parties interested in buying the club today.
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Originally Posted by SMAXXA
This is the bit Idont get......why would anyone BUY a player from hearts knowing full well if they dont, they would be able to pick them up for free in a week or 2 any way? Add to the fact they actually dont have many, if any, players worth a bean......BDO should do the hounorable thing and just padlock the gates tonight and be done with it.
Surely we could save them money by doing the job ourselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Business as usual then?Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Do they become free agents if they want, in administration?Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
anyone know who the potential buyer is?
They need to find a hefty amount of cash to pay their own fees (these guys do not come cheap) and THEN they need to find a hefty amount of cash to keep the Yams running day to day. I reckon they may quickly come to theconclusion that liquidation is the only option. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
:agree: basically come play for free and we might be able to give you a bean or two, infact no just a bean lets be realisticQuote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
I think if you don't get paid for sumit like 3 consecutive months you automatically can leave for nothing, something like that anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I don't think so - however, I am not sure what the situation is if the administrator tries to rip up their contracts and get them to accept lower wages (and also maybe write off any overdue wages/bonuses).Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Edit: I'm not sure if the above scenarios could constitute constructive dismissal.
Ian Murray MP was on the last plane up from Heathrow last night. Bound to be him and the rest of FoH. Bet they announce ticket sales for Hibs game immediately to get cash through the door with a begging bowl to sell the stock in the shop. By the way anyone seen the container ship full of strips yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
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Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
What can i say??? Classic!!! PMSL :faf: (Don't look for any sympathy down ER way.... It just 'aint there)...
Am guessing admin staff, shop workers, groundsman, maintenance guys and so on wont be on alot of wages. Probably nothing more than £1300 per month. They are going to have to dig alot deeper than that to free some pennies up.
Sounds like BDO are preparing to start asking the fans to bankroll the club to keep the admin going.
Which will mean even less cash for FoH...
Gary Locke just left Tynecastle. Staff who've received the worst possible news also leaving. Tough times for all concerned
Shop staff and cleaners were factored out. They weren't on Yams books.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB_NO3
Yeah, I've got a meeting with them at 3pm today..:devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Or we're they:confused: :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
HahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Some yam on KB called the Gasman claiming he's ITK about a UK based consortium that have made a bid deemed 'meaningful' by the Lith Admins and that things were progressing well.... Hmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
I have it on very good authority it's the FOH. My source within tynecastle has kept his job, for now it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
Indeed. And given their constitution has been based on a standard one by Supporters' Direct - then it may be ultra viries of FoH to use funds raised for one purpose to be spent on another. They don't have any directors yet either, so I'm not sure how they can make such a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarneyK
They'd also be better off letting the oldco go to the wall as soon as possible - as it would be far cheaper to start from scratch.
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Originally Posted by SMAXXA
It stops being "Rivalry" when staff lose their job...... I don't find that part of this sorry mess funny at all.....
There's so much I Told You So to throw about this week. Absolutely magic.
Vlad has pissed all over them and the only person of a maroon persuasion to enjoy it would most likely be Gary Locke.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
I've been made redundant before. We had lost a major contract and the staff affected had to re-interview with the business to see who would be retained in other positions. I was given the one temporary job of completing the work under the contract. Even with the cushion of that notice period and it being at a reasonably kind time of life to happen (young, semi-skilled, no family), it was easily the worst day I have had in my life.
Christ knows what some of those folk are going through now, some may have worked for them for decades and may not have transferrable skills to other employers. Particularly in a tougher economic environment. I genuinely wish the Hearts employees who are made redundant today every good luck in their future efforts.
Dance with the devil and all that. I wouldn't agree to work for an employer if I knew they were notorious for not paying wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeithenHibby
BDO: Right, had a quick look at the books and its a f****** horror show. We need cash yesterday. How's the FoH fundraising coming along? You've got thousands of bona fide pledges right?Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
FoH: Er...
There are lots of terms we can muster, but the staff (non playing) may have been there for decades! So no, I don't agree with this one. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
So a bunch of staff will be laid off today (sad times for most of them we should note).
I suspect a few players will be amongst that, if 'Cap'n Zal' is indeed under contract to August he'll presumably be first out the door, along with anyone else that is deemed to have no sell on value.
BDO claim to be meeting a buyer later today, must surely be FoH, which will be a very short meeting where that tube of an MP will babble on about converting pledges and £4million a month, but not having any money right now. BDO will presumably then firm up their statement from today about needing the fans to bankroll the club till a buyer can be found, if there's enough donations then this farce staggers on till the next big bill turns up, if not then it's straight to liquidation.
Does that sound about right as a likely sequence of events?
Could be a short meeting then.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Bryan Jackson - Show us the colour of your money
Ian Murray - em well, we've got this website likesy, and I've done a powerpoint for when we go to see the banks
Bryan Jackson - Mr Mackie, what's your role in this.
Alex Mackie - What me, I'm just here to listen and hope people forget I was ever involved.
Bryan Jackson - Thanks, we'll let you know.
Expect Ian murray to come out with a positive and constructive meeting type statement.
Not everyone has the good fortune to be able to choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
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Originally Posted by Dunderhall
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Originally Posted by Dunderhall
#allismurray
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/2...2a1_normal.pngSean Murdoch@seanmurdoch01
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates...itter_bird.pngSad to see Hearts staff being made redundant today. I think even Hibs would agree this should never happen! People have Families to support!
I just don't see any good news for them. "Right you can have our pledges to that are 6 weeks away from being collected to keep the club afloat in the short term and not what the money was originally pledged for. And then can we agree a price for the club from those same pledges that are a month and a half away from being gathered less any money that has been used in the short term"Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
Are the grunts calling him"Mr Jackson" yet?
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
:agree:
Rivalry doesn't cover this event for me ........ :wink:
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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Might be an idea for a new tattoo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
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Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Yep, sad to see the staff being the losers, always the way of it!
No argument there. Absolutely FA to do wi Hibs, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Just gone on Kickback for the first time during this debacle - I cannot believe the thread entitled 'All this worry. Worth it?'. The vast majority are actually suggesting that their current situation is 'worth it' for the 2 cups and the 2nd place finish. What, worth destroying people's livelihoods? Worth the very possible extinction of your club and its 139 year history? Worth losing your spiritual home?
I'm stunned.
When does the transfer window open, 1st July? They need funds to see them through the next 11 days - like yesterday - and pay the administrators.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
I can't see that they will survive, and suspect this will be the quickest football admin - liquidation in history.
Not nice that anyone has lost their job, but bizarrely few seem to blame Romanov!
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Originally Posted by kdhibees1
Superb! Like most on here though I feel for the innocent & probably low-paid staff losing their jobs.
The best I can say for them is that perhaps the Rangers administration has given a false impression of what administration is like. I say that because most fans, whose clubs have not been previously been affected by it, would only have paid much attention to the process when it happened to them. That was a complete fix and a farce of an administration. It was all pre-agreed and pre-planned, with the scheme only scuppered to any meaningful extent by the "no to newco" campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by patlowe
Unfortunately for the ordinary folk who work for Hearts, this is not typically the case anywhere else.
Yeah' saw that, thought it was rather amusing !!Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index..../#entry3653324
Hahaha, should have done that about 8 years ago to be honest.
Spineless wimps.
It's not nice but Hearts fans themselves think its all worth it. I suppose that includes seemingly innocent members of their staff losing their jobs. This is part of what they have encouraged and enjoyed to win a couple of cups. Perhaps the sight of normal punters leaving their jobs later will change their worth it stance. Doubt it though.
Sad to see anyone lose there jobs.
i wonder if Ian murray MP will console these people
by telling them it was worth it?
i wonder if the wetoldyesothinkback mob can see the irony yet
of boasting about all this being worth it,yet on the same hand
condem job losses?
to the people who have lost there jobs today
i and most hibbys wish you well in seeking employment.
I think almost every recent club administration has given almost every football fan a false impression. I can't recall many if any clubs since Airdrie and Aldershot going boom. Administration is to football fans what bankruptcy is to normal people on the street. We all think it's a get out clause, a chance to rid ourselves of debt without much come back. The reality is, it's a major pain up the arse unless you happen to be Rangers. Even if they exit admin, Dundee is proof that it's easy to slip back into the red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
To be fair, in 1990 when the news broke about Mercer's take over, I and many others headed straight for the stadium as we wanted to hear what was going on. There was a virtual vigil for the entire time it was going on. Nowadays, you're better being at home with your laptop and Sky Sports News.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
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Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
beat me to it...... :agree:
We should be outside Tynecastle right now showing what this club means to the fans, players and showing potential buyers well stick by the team no matter what the situation
Has BAnderson had his 1-1 with the administrator yet?:cb
Haven't heard any interest in the club, but there's a couple of of Somali pirate crews going to put a bid in for the strips.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Exactly - maybe the guys saying it was 'worth it' should nip along to Tynie today and use that rhetoric to reassure those losing their jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Look at the replies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
Unbelievable. It's almost as if they couldn't care less.
Wall done EC.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinCapitals
We all need to encourage "lapsed" Hibees to come back/buy season tickets.:Awright!:
Playing good football and winning would help!:greengrin
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Originally Posted by Northernhibee
They want somebody else to do it for them... Most of them are glory hunters.. Wi' a big team mentality!!!! :devil:
STV news now.
Just what I was about to say. Any other club - including Rangers - and there would be fans at the ground showing a bit of solidarity, even if it might not achieve much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
That bunch of smug flippant losers deserve everything that's coming.
They still back Vlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by greengnome
It's like spending a million quid on lottery tickets and getting all excited because you got three numbers on one of them.
Your two tainted cups and horsing from Spurs will never be worth it.
Roasters.
BDO were only installed yesterday. Now less than 24 hours later they're saying it's the worst they've ever seen and making people redundant.
That's pretty fast going - bearing in mind the amount of paperwork they'd need to look at to get a semblance of what their true financial state is? But this seems to me like they've taken one look at the accounts and said the games a bogey.
Do any of our finance experts know what's typical?
I've got no knowledge in this area but in past administration cases in football I've noticed that the administrators tend to speak as positively as possible at this stage. Very ominous for the yams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liberal Hibby
At work whats on Stv news now ?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
All bad news i hope :cb
Most definitely the same feeling with this too. Never funny when it comes to decent peoples livelihoods.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
friend of mine works there, good guy and is in fact a super saintee so not there for emotional reasons, just a job, been their for a few years. Not heard from him over last few days but don't look goodQuote:
Originally Posted by patlowe
Although Rangers fans were mocked for their behaviour at the time at least they showed a bit of solidarity and disgust at how their club had been run.
Hearts seem to accept it as though it's an occupational hazard of being a "big team". Sacrificing your club to beat Hibs for a few years isn't worthy of some sort of protest or show of defiance that they will get through their current problems? Truly a pathetic support who view themselves as above the passion and emotion which football is famed and admired for.
It's doesn't bode well for whatever happens to them. If they end up as a newco, it seems like they will be lucky to get the die-hards going along every week to watch them in division 3. Rangers are a huge club in comparison to Hearts and they wont have their resources to achieve back-to-back promotions like Sevco surely will.
They have no cash; not on hand (in bank) or any income coming in.Quote:
Originally Posted by patlowe
The short-term is a huge issue for them, I also envisage liquidation probably one of the quickest we will ever see.
Though, this has been forecasted on here a long time ago (that once the games a bogey, liquidation will quickly follow admin).
If FOH and some pledges, is their only 'credible' potential buyer, I can see the lights being put out pretty soon.
We shall see, but it looks like game over to most of us ?
Suggestion is 10 non-playing staff have been made redundant. No players affected (yet).
I suspect this is because a) the players aren't due to be paid again until mid July and b) they will hope to sell some of them in the meantime. The other staff were due to be paid on Monday.
Barry Anderson@BarryAnderson_8Around 10 staff made redundant at #Hearts. None are players, all behind the scenes. #HMFCQuote:
Originally Posted by Green Reaper
Yeah think that is right, players have to go without wages for 3 consecutive months before they can leave the club, they can also take the case up with FIFA to try to recover there wages :greengrin and the contract that is due to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Kris Boyd done this when in Turkey.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...s-boyd-1852475
See all these years we've been waiting for them to implode, did nobody realise that jobs would be lost. I think the crocodile tears for those heading to the buroo are a bridge too far.
Lets get back to enjoying the cartoon, and not be too worried about people having pianos dropping on them. If you really care about them heading out the door help them find a job. I'd be surprised if they didn't see this coming.
All the bile they spout over on that Keekback it solely to hide their sheer seethe and misery. Deep down they are really hurting but are posting mince to try and hide the fact! Effing roasters!!!
and then they charge for their services:-Quote:
Originally Posted by patlowe
£3.3m for der huns
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...fees-1-2492661
and £1.5m for Portsmouth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21471924
:na na:
Must confess I have done the same for the first time. It is unbelievable the amount of bravado, posturing, lack of basic intelligence and absolute garbage on there. Compared to here where there are clearly some seriously informed people as to what this actually means for them as well as less financially astute guys like meQuote:
Originally Posted by patlowe
The first step in recovering from being F****d is to admit you have a problem in the first place. I'm not seeing that amongst that lot at all. It's all 5-1, 1902 and I'd still rather be a Jambo.
People are now losing their jobs and these incredulous, arrogant oafs played their part in it by their lack of action and their fragile egos about their position in Scottish football.
I've taken some delight in their plight I admit but felt a little for them. After reading that stuff on KB? Let them rot.
Not many for having over 100 staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
I really hope the likes of Zaliukas have done the decent thing and written off any money owed to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
Certain players who were only ever there for the money should look at the effect it's had and be ashamed of themselves.
That must include Rima and Pyjama Man. I feel sorry for the other 8 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
They won't liquidate it immediately because they won't have to pay any bills immediately, because any bills received before yesterday will fall into the black hole. They do have to generate some income to pay the bills that will come in from now and will become payable during July.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
What will they get as redundancy an IOU??Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
Sympathy for anyone being made redundant having been through it twice, it's not nice at all.
Gary Locke to speak tomorrow....
About what!!????
A load o' pish? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by McPhisto2
And I believe a 6 figure bill is due to land on them tomorrow - not sure if it PAYE, Tax or what but I read that a 6 figure sum to a bill is due to be paid tomorrow, I am assuming then that his bill will not fall into the 'black hole'Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
Goodwillie and Boyd maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by McPhisto2
I am going through it just now so have sympathy for the workers. Horrible times!Quote:
Originally Posted by YehButNo But
If FOH pump the cash collected into a (futile) attempt to keep Hearts from liquidation this will surely impact on their ability to raise funds to launch the Newco. It will also reduce the time that they have to get a new club registered.
This could mean that any replacement club will miss out on the 2013-14 season completely. Division Three (or SPFL Two) will then be presumably be ruled out as the Lowland League will feed into the SPFL system. Thus any Hearts Newco would have to come into the Lowland League or even the East of Scotland League.
Whilst I have sympathy for those "normal" staff who have lost their jobs ( I have been in their positions), you have to be honest and say that this has been on the cards for years. Anyone who chose to work for that joke of a club in the last few years only has themselves to blame. Similarly, those who have been there longer than the last 8 or 9 years have had plenty time to look elsewhere for alternative, more secure employment. We all slated the Tattooed Lady for going back to Hearts, are the non-playing staff exempt from the same criticism?