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Motherwell sign Austrian Lukas Fadinger. Sound like he has a decent pedigree tbh.
Wonder how he feels, probably signing for a manager who’s moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Ronan Hale would maybe be a useful signing and cheap considering county just got relegated. 36 games played 12 goals for a team who finished 11th is not bad.
Would take. However, even at around 250k it's a fair outlay for someone who would unlikely be first choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ribs1875
Tbh I can see Defensive Dell being in for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by yerauldda
If we can sign Hale then it’s a must.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ribs1875
McInnes might be in for him but there’s no chance Hale goes there.
There is nothing more surer he is going to be in for these type of players with proven SPFL Experience. Everywhere he has went he has just done that. I always remember when he signed Adam Rooney, that was the first of many players we were in for who he would then move in on.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew70
Why is there no chance Hale goes there?Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew70
A Hearts fan has done a detailed breakdown of Hale
https://x.com/liamastewart/status/19...T_cnYbURW-GKJw
From the second Ross County's relegation was confirmed fans have of various Premiership clubs have started discussing Ronan Hale and if he is worth a pick up particularly with rumours of a relegation release clause.
Hearts fans are no different and with Shankland's future still currently a mystery let's take a look and see what the numbers say.
The headline number been thrown around is Hale's 12 league goals this season from an xG of 10.77 - which makes Hale on of just four players outside of Celtic & Rangers to reach the milestone for the season.
Three of Hale's goals came from the spot, leaving nine non penalty goals throughout the season.
A look at those goals further shows;
- Two tidy finishes from tight angles at the edge of the area against Motherwell & Hearts
- A powerful effort unmarked inside the box after getting on the end of a poor clearance against St Mirren.
- Two fantastic runs and finishes against Motherwell, left and right footed.
- A nice turn and finish against Motherwell following a poor piece of defending.
- An incredible finish against Hearts curling one in from the edge of the area and a similar goal against St Johnstone and a tap in against Dundee United.
That means when you breakdown Hale's non penalty goals for the season he scored against Motherwell (4), Hearts (2), St Mirren (1), St Johnstone (1) and Dundee United (1).
The immediate concern for Hearts would be stylistically how he fits McInnes' desired system - a manager that wants width and pace out wide and targets in the box, at 5'7 Hale is certainly not that.
There is of course a precedent for McInnes having some amount of success with smaller forwards, Anderson at Aberdeen and Kilmarnock, and Hale's off the ball movement and ability to attack the space in behind could link up well with Shankland if the striker re-signs.
Hale's numbers tell the story of County's season with the 26-year-old putting up a huge volume of shots and dribbles per 90 but with a below standard completion rate.
No Hearts' player took more shots than Hale (91) while his 37.35% SOT rate ranks lower than any of Hearts' CF options - to be expected with a shot volume almost four times that of Wilson, Vargas, Musa and Kabangu.
His 13% goal conversion rate sits above Musa & Shankland, while only Musa & Vargas, both of which had significant minutes out wide, produced more dribbles per 90 across the season with Vargas the closest comparison.
Hale matches Kabangu's 30% offensive duel win rate despite 25% more duel output per 90.
His 2.61 touches in the box per 90 is lower than any Hearts CF and aligns with the type of goal Hale scored most throughout the season around the edge of the area - but is also easily put down to the deep position and low possession game that County played with the lowest average time on ball in the league throughout the 24/25 season.
This trend continues when you look at Hale's creative and ball progression numbers - with the 26-year-old ranking lowest from Hearts CF options for passes per 90 and fourth for pass accuracy.
The closest comparison on the ball, in terms of output, is James Wilson with the two forwards on par for passes per 90, pass accuracy, passes to the final third whilst Wilson just leads in shot creating actions and xA per 90.
There's clear quality in Hale, but with Elton Kabangu and potentially Lawrence Shankland looking like they are sticking around and James Wilson having a breakout season it is hard to see where Hale would fit in - we have already seen that quality at County doesn't always translate to instant impact at Tynecastle - Yan Dhanda - and lacking tactical versatility from Hale makes it difficult to see how he would fit in for Hearts next year even at a cut price - Musa & Kenny could both leave which would make Hale one of four central options which would make the deal more likely but after a strong individual season is the County man going to accept a spot on the bench? Sam Dalby feels more of a natural fit but with Hearts missing out on Europe potentially a harder name to bring in particularly with interest in Scotland and down south.
Just checked a comparison between Hale this season and Simon Murray for Ross County last season
Simon Murray;
League games - 37
Goals - 14
Assists - 4
Play off games - 2
Goals - 2
Assist - 0
League cup games - 6
League cup goals - 7
League cup assists - 1
Ronan Hale;
League games - 36
Goals - 12
Assists - 0
Play off games - 2
Goals - 2
Assists - 1
League cup games - 3
League cup goals - 3
League cup assists - 0
Jamestown tactics have taking over the body of this clueless hearts fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Why is it a must? I think we can do much better personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew70
The priority in terms of forwards IMO is someone with a similar profile to Myko, if he’s not coming back.
He certainly seems to be a finisher, but not sure he’s much else. Don’t think he’s that good on the ball, or has genuine pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
That said, hard to judge in a team with no creativity.
It’s a long winded way of saying that Hale isn’t any better than what they have. Which is true and applies to HIbs aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ribs1875
Aberdeen are probably a different story as they don’t appear to own a half decent forward as things stand.
Hale's not good enough for Hibs, from what I've seen of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew70
We're aiming for much better.
I’ve always thought there’s a barrowload of goals to be had for a poacher type from the crosses Chris Cadden puts over. Maybe a penalty box type like Hale would be the type to capitalise?
He’s a very good striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
Should have signed him from Cliftonville to be honest
If we are then fair play, doubt we will though. Would be a great option up top.Quote:
Originally Posted by babahibs
I think it's better to have an option like that than not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew70
I agree. Think he’s done well in a poor Ross County team but, apart from anything else, I don’t think he’d play very much. We know Gray likes a physical presence so we’ll sign Myko or someone like Myko. They’ll then fight it out with Bowie to partner Boyle. I know we’ll need a squad but we still have Youan contracted (obviously a fair chance Youan will be away). Granted, Gayle is away but Youan would take his place in the squad initially. I don’t think a striker like Hale will be anywhere near being a priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
Hibs observer;
Hibs have been linked with further midfield additions in free agent Ryan Ledson and Balla Moussa Conte of Tunisian side Sfaxien, although it's understood there isn't concrete interest in the former at this moment in time. Any new arrivals may necessitate departures to avoid the squad becoming bloated once again.
Also said Myk is wanted by another team also.
Balla mousa Conte looks a player in his YouTube real btw 😅Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
I'm all for that one, looks very athletic 😁
I’m i reading into the last bit wrong in we are interested in getting Myko back as well ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
He's publicly said he'd like to come back. I've not read or heard anything to suggest we're actively pursuing him though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
Gray is clearly a big fan of Myko and I reckon we'll see him back for the new season.
I just thought the way it was said in “ another club wanting him also “ could mean we are interested in getting him back.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny
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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Yeah he looked useful
Interesting they’ve played down the former but not the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
I wonder if we are still interested in Julio Pleguezuelo, although it looks like he may have extended his contract earlier in the year. Wouldn't say no to Ryan Hardie although I'm sure a number of clubs would like him.
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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
He signed an extended contract with Plymouth can't see it
Not sure what Plymouth's finances are like now they have been relegated to league one. That must a sore knee.Quote:
Originally Posted by badabing67
They signed Mackenzie from Aberdeen so must be offering a good wage stillQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Will McKenzie be on a good wage? He’s absolutely rotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1875Sean
I know this is the Hibs Observer but who are the more credible groups for providing rumors or info? Genuine question, I'm out the loop completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Think them/Patrick McPartlin who reports for them are as good as it gets for Hibs information.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
Almost seem like a bit of an unofficial spokesperson for the club at times
He's the same age (25) as Josh Campbell and played less games, I doubt he'd break the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
One thing I took from Alasanah Manneh’s performance against The The’s was how athletic he was and how good at pressing and intercepting passes he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
You can see that we’ve targeted taller players up front and at the back, I think we’re beginning to see how SDG would like his midfield to be.
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Originally Posted by Unseen work
Balla Moussa Conte plays in the same position as Triantis . Wonder if we fail in getting Triantis back will we turn our attentions to him , looks a player …
https://youtu.be/GWC439t64XI?si=alwTDLtMKLPQk62S
It's a youtube highlights video. I could be made to look a player on that, and I'm well into my 50s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
Hard to imagine Derek McInnes fitting in with the Jamestown analystics
Even going by some of their recent signings and players they’re rumoured with
Signed;
Steinwender - Signed in January and never looked brilliant
Kartum - As above and is a light weight right winger who cuts in. No real pace about him
Borchgrevink - Norwegian right back who signed a pre contract with them
Kyzidiris - left winger from Slovakian league
Heavily rumoured;
Soufiane El Faozi - Attacking midfielder playing in third tier of Germany
Chesnokov - Khazakstanian winger
No chance he plays half them
Funnily enough rumours of them signing Oisin McEntee who was rumoured with us a couple of months ago.
Aberdeen still offered him a deal and he knocked it back, so they are offering better wages. Wasn't long ago he was in the Scotland squadQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Was that no derek mcinnes’ scouting methods at Aberdeen? See who hibs are trying to sign and offer them more moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Did you not see his interview on The Scottish Football Social Club. I think he might have doubts himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Scottish Football Social Club Episode 38
They had to pay a fee for Borchgrevink and my Jambo chum , who btw is always there to tell me how much a player cost as it’s what big teams do, tells me he cost £650kQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
You forgot to add McCart to that list of meh signings. A fee paid for him too.
Hopefully they continue to sign more of the same.
If the fixtures throw out Hibs Hearts opening day & it's Bowie & Boyle vs McCart & Findlay ill take a Hibs win on the coupon please..Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Suspect the right back might be the pick of the bunch but if they had paid anywhere near that money we would have heard all about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Their signings now though starting to look like someone playing football manager and taking punts. Have a good feeling it will be an expensive hodgepodge mess
Hearts get Kabangu back on a permanent 3 year deal. Paid around 250k.
Really strange bunch are the jumbos , not that long ago they were saying how **** he’s been … now after signing , he’s going to score 20 goals this season and is an unbelievable signing no doubt due to Jamestown analytics 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by EGL2000
The more Jamestown Anal Ticks the better the player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
McCart is toilet imo, but I don't mind Findlay, same with Joe Wright, wouldn't mind seeing either here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Failed to score against anyone higher than 9th in the league or during the last 2 months. Dropped for their final league games and they looked much better without him. Good way for Bloom to extract some money out of them I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGL2000
They're not part of a multi club setup, just so happens the best player the world beating analytics found them is a guy who is not needed at another club Bloom has a stake in
Nothing to see here, sure if we signed a player from Lorient they wouldn't be throwing out the "Bournemouth Reserves" chat
And then made to pay for someone who just had an unsuccessful loan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
Some rumours that it was an obligation to buy rather than an option too . Whatever way you look at it he’s at best IMO an average signing. Seemed to have split opinions on him from their fans that’s of course before he signed permanently and became a world beater who’ll easily score 20 goals this season…
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...hould-we-sign/
No word.on Shankland yet - wonder what his plans are
I assumed he would have signed a new deal at hearts by now
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I think he’ll not get the offers he’d expect from elsewhere, sign with them again for big money and tell them all how signing a new deal was never in doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
They’ll lap it up as well.
On last seasons showing he will definitely have options. Pizza or Kebab. Maybe both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
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Originally Posted by Iain G
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He will be hoping someone wants to sign him and pay him £££.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Would expect that won’t happen and probably spend the rest of his career at Hearts.
Bournemouth apparently interested in Kyogo. Can you imagine the carnage if they bought him and loaned him to us for the season
I hope Hibs are speaking to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
would love it if he signed a new deal at Hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
He would be on top dollar and his attitude absolutely stinks, tremendous.
Maybe in the minority but I really hope Shankland doesn’t sign again for Hearts
Really good player and goal scorer, Mcinnes would get him scoring a load imo
It takes time to get the planning through for an open top bus parade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I agree. His record, especially against us, is decent. I'd rather he just buggered off and saved us the stupid redemption story pish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
That would be absolutely hilarious, top it off by reverting to our hooped tops of 1875 for the anniversary season. The seeth would be off the scale :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
Seen that Motherwell have announced their retained list and obviously Jair will now return to us, no surprise there. But I wonder with 1 year left on his deal this may finally be the summer we get shot of him.
I don't know what Bournemouth's signing policy is. Kyogo turned 30 in January. Not sure how much he would cost and what kind of salary he'd want. It's not a player they would make money on. Maybe it's a low risk for a player like Bournemouth? Just doesn't seem to align with previous signings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
I reckon it will be a struggleQuote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
At the very least any season long loan would be effectively the end of his time at Hibs. Either that or we just pay the guy to bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC93
McInnes was meant to be talking to Shankland yesterday according to his interview on Premier Sports Social ClubQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I don’t think there’s any chance he’d speak to us let alone sign for us . Must be on a decent wedge at hertz , possibly 5 , 6 or 7k a week ? What would it take to get him 8 or more plus a big signing on fee ? . It might be worth it possibly if you were getting the player that was scoring goals but you could end up with the latest version of the unfit , not scoring with a not so good attitude version . Too much a gamble for that sort of money I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by RMQ1967
Not going by his reply to Boyle on IG " Hope next season i can be like you" sounds like he's planning on seeing out his deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
Yeah, I reckon a season long loan is the most likely outcome. He struggled at Motherwell so can't see their being many takers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
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Originally Posted by RMQ1967
Not sure he would be worth the wage demand as we have seen goals are not guaranteed plus he must be due an long injury lay off. I would prefer Cumdog back to him tbh
Which is his right to be fair. Last year he’s ever going to get a wage like it you’d imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsforeurope
He seems quite pally with the squad so I doubt he's a bad egg or anything like that. But I really don't want to see the lad appear on the park for us again.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsforeurope
Could get flagged offside sitting on the beach that boy. Typical hearts signing all hype with little to show for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGL2000
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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
I think SDG will give him a chance in pre-season. I would be surprised if we don't see him at some point, but if he doesn't take it I think he will be moved on.
He’ll probably get on the park in pre season but I don’t think that’ll equate to getting a chance as such. You always have players making up the numbers at that point that aren’t part of the plans. I think he’ll fall in to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by badabing67
Just seen this on twitter. The guy he's quoting has 10k followers and it says he used to work for talksport and Fox Sports news in his bio. Surely we won't be signing both him and the other guy from Austria along with Smith? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...40993e2031.jpg
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Do we not have to have 3 goalies registered for Europe? ISTR something about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
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Originally Posted by GloryGlory
Yes
https://youtu.be/MzkWoeBRkgk
We do but if one of those 3 keepers is under the age of 22 or 23 (can’t remember which) and came through our youth team then they don’t count as taking up a space in our 25-man squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryGlory
Therefore, I would expect for the first half of the season at least Murray Johnson will be used as our third choice.
That’ll probably linked to Tim Bezbatchenko name dropping him as someone who could move to Hibs in the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Would be surprised if we sign Paulsen as I don’t think it suits either Bournemouth or Hibs , who’d start like? . I think the other keeper rumour probably makes more sense in fairness. Some good saves in there like on this too …Quote:
Originally Posted by badabing67
https://youtu.be/oxuOlcxlcU0?si=cZqVGtW9eZaNbNog
Who would start? The better of the two would start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
I don’t think we need a YouTube reel to be convinced about Smiths abilities in goals, he did well last season.
We should always be trying to sign better though, then it’s up to Smith to prove he’s better than Paulsen.
If I had the kind of contract we gave him I would absolutely be seeing it out. Put the lot into a savings fund and regardless of where you go, enjoy a very comfortable retirement when it comes. Not my fault Hibs decided to pay me that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsforeurope
And how much is he getting paid?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
Must have already been agreed to buy as he has been pretty poor last few monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by EGL2000
Rumoured to be £5k a week, so £260k next year in wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by S4uzee
No danger will he budge unless it's in his interests.
Still paying for past recruitment errors unfortunately. I think Jair Tavares hadn't even played a senior game before signing for us. All at under 20 level possibly.
Rumored where, here on .Net? Very doubtful we agreed that much for such a young player IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
The mental thing about Jair is that Johnson was apparently stunned we managed to get him.
He was. I bumped into him in indigo yard before the season started and he was going on about what a coup it was to sign him!Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Nicky Cadden supplying Kyogo with good deliveries would be very entertainingQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
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I think he should have been stunned that someone from Hibs went to watch Benfica B at the same time they had Jota and Duk in their squad and ended up with Jair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
I wonder if SDG may be able to do something with him to make him an effective impact sub? He had a mini-revival under Montgomery and for a short while looked half decent. His goal against Dundee was impressive.
I doubt it and at best he wouldn’t be more than someone who comes on with ten to go off the bench, but I just wonder.
Aye, that was at the start when he thought he was good and tried to get the credit for unearthing a gem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Fast forward a few months and folk were getting chucked under a bus left, right and centre getting the blame for darkening his door with such rubbish 😂