Yup. Rediculous way to treat the club captainQuote:
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Yup. Rediculous way to treat the club captainQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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Originally Posted by HoboHarry
That’s because he’s suited to being part of a team, not the leader of the team.
Perhaps, but it would be difficult to shine anywhere with that bam Craig Levein hanging around and I wouldn't judge anyone working in those circumstances. The clusterfeck they are currently in gives credence to that.......Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Indeed. What happened to the grand vision of a conveyer belt of young managerial talent overseen by Levein? They got luckier than they realised with Neilson (whose departure due almost entirely to losing a cup tie to Hibs looks ever more absurd) and it's been downhill ever since. Now the whole plan appears to have been ripped up and replaced by, as you say, blind faith. But not without a crippling legacy of millions wasted on dud signings, two former managers retained as co-directors of football and an unfinished main stand which is £10 million over budget. But at least Budge is a top businesswoman eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
The BBC are in filming their every move for the documentary they're making so it's no surprise they're the ones he's speaking to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronson
Highly doubt it's the BBC making this doco. It'll be an independent production company commissioned by the BBC - cf the series The Papers recently screened on BBC 1 Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFCdeb
I hear the working title is: "Implosion".Quote:
Originally Posted by oneone73
Looks like a combo of both. Either way, the Jambos greetin about Berra "running to the press" is hilarious when they've invited them in with open arms to film behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by oneone73
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/inside-tynecastle-documentary
They were on the spot, did the interview, and will have sold it to BBC news.Quote:
Originally Posted by oneone73
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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
I prefer Budge’s suggested title: “Magnificent”.
How about "Heart of Relegation"?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
"Escape From Victory"Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
"Hearts, the titanic chronicles"Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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Originally Posted by Since452
“I got 99 problems but the pitch ain’t one.”
“In the first episode... a decision to host a concert at Tynecastle causes big problems for the newly installed £1m pitch.”
Magnificent Implosion!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
99 problems and the pitch is one.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Don't think Cathro got much say in recruitment either - it was here's a shedload of dross provided by my mate John Colquhoun - so he was saddled with the likes of Malaury Martin etc. We can only dream that their current window of recruitment follows a similar pattern. :pray:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...eurish-1358213
Glenn Whelan having a right pop at Hearts and Stendel here.
Brilliant.
Sounds like Stendel doesn't have the balls to have awkward face-to-face talks with players (Berra & Whelan). Is he going to hide in his office as the going gets tougher?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
A good insight to how things are done down tiny wayQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Just shoddy, it's only a few months ago Mrs doctor Budge ordered Banderson to run an article saying Whelan had turned down big money offers to play for the famous.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Stendels handling of the guy is a sign of a poor leadership style in my view, especially when you look at what Berra is saying.
Can't be good for existing morale.
Nearly said it creates a bad impression of the club itself then I remembered the megastand, the pitch, the money, their league position, the plaza, the glass curtain, the castle "view", the al fresco press boxes and the administration event.
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Will probably just go on holiday again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Do situations like these ever end well for the club involved? If the guy is a dick the guy is a dick, you don’t just turn these things on and off because you don’t like a certain player. Imo the players will soon see through people like that, if they haven’t already.
I went on about it after we beat them but giving the players the day off before the Derby was mental and it won’t have gone down well with the players, especially the experienced ones, they’ll have known fine well they should have been in that day. The fact they then lost the derby ruined any credibility the guy had IMO.
The willful, logic defying support of a manager who is presiding over a shambolic first half a dozen weeks in charge would be mystifying if it wasnt our fore lock tugging neighbours involved.
This is a man who has failed to even fluke a win in 16 games of football..an absolutely remarkable stat. Yet he saw fit to take a holiday before a home derby match while leaving selection decisions to be communicated in a what's app chat like some Sunday league amateurs.
I bet there is a few twitchy erseholes in that Hearts boardroom..they must dread the next cluster**** being aired in the national press and wider afield. The rumours about the senior pros downing tools after Berra's treatment will be difficult to judge as they couldn't play obviously more poorly..they've been that **** all season.
The whole structure at that club seems rotten tho..the managerial problems are just another pleasing symptom.
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There are other players still at the club seriously unhappy at the way both berra and whelan have been treated. This isnt something that will be fixed with new signings.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Certainly not in January which isn’t a time for wholesale changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Thing is, if he was making a stand against bad eggs who were a disruptive influence on the changing room then he’d probably get respect for it, sounds to me like he’s done it to the wrong people though, in terms of morale in the changing room anyway.
I think Whelan would be good in a better team. He was up against it playing with huddys like Clare and Bozanic
I've just started a thread on this - I'm only half joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
A mate who is apparently in the know over there says that "Strudel" has very little English and has motivational skills compared to Stalin. I just wonder if he's doing a spectacular Terry Butcher job.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
When Butcher arrived to us he had a reasonable points cushion and still managed to relegate us. They don't have that luxury.
Hahaha..Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
What a club. Even when they aren’t playing games they can’t seem to help themselves.
Shambles FC delivers again.
The guy who never speaks to the media - speaks to the media and explains what a shambles Hearts are.
Next few months are going to be hilarious with the fall out and ideally relegation being icing on the cake.
I really think it’ll come down to the Ross County game, lose that and they’re ****ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by banchoryhibs
One of the many problems they have is that they seem to think getting rid of Berra and Whelan is a solution, it’s really not, replacing them is the solution. Signing good players in January really isn’t that easy and its even more difficult to find leaders in the changing room on 6 month loan deals.
Looks like muleaney and whighton also training with the reserves.
Unreal they actually spent cash on those two!!
To be fair to Stalin, "do what I say or I will kill you" is pretty motivating :greengrin Not sure it will work at a modern 'big' football club thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by banchoryhibs
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Originally Posted by Oscar T Grouch
And whatever else you say about him, Stalin was pretty famous.
Hearts must be delighted at all this coverage they are getting. Hopefully the Japanese media will pick up these stories for one of their key markets.
Not so sure. With the Iran saga and the Australian fire disaster the big team are only 3rd in the world newsQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Banderson better watch himself or Whelan will not consent to his double page interview pieces of yams that contributed little and left ages ago.
Wighton was a strange signing but Mulraney has looked pretty good in some of the fleeting glimpses I’ve had of him on the telly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onceinawhile
Before the Berra and Whelan interviews I thought Stendel would get them out of trouble. Now I don't, bet duly placed.
Can I Just say this is superb reading.....
"We didnt want the tunnel in the centre of the pitch, it's off centre so the home dugout is centred, giving our management team the best possible view. "
Innovative as usual.
The great thing about having a perfect view of your relegation-threatened team is that it takes away the fear of having a slightly-off-centre view of your honking relegation-threatened team...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
One day, all clubs will place their dug out on the centre line. Lots of people have said it's the way ahead, and the best way to do things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Hearts are utterly tinpot and have been for decades.
"in a bid to improve supporter fitness, we built a set of stairs that led to a brick wall. Any supporter making the initial climb to the top of the stairs will be forced to climb back down the stairs, thus doubling the exercise required. You can thank us later."Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Jerry Butcher is in full swing over there. Pleasing!Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
He has, but he's getting worse/less interested every time I see him. He was pish in the derby.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
His interviews show his English is fine...not perfect. But more than adequateQuote:
Originally Posted by banchoryhibs
That’s a quite magnificent nickname you’ve come up with there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyS
Not mines unfortunately mate, saw it on Twitter and it was too good not to use again. Really hope it sticks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Aidan Fitzmaurice
January 7 2020 23:30 PM
Way up in Edinburgh, 200 miles from his Manchester base, there is an apartment full of his things which Glenn Whelan needs to clear out.
The eight-hour round trip is the least of his worries right now as Whelan, probably Ireland’s best player in 2019, is a man without a club.
He doesn’t need a bed in the Scottish capital any more as his recent employers, Hearts, have decided they don’t need Whelan.
The divorce came through yesterday, a 35-word statement from the SPL club confirming that Whelan had left “by mutual agreement”, the player asking to be relieved of his contractual duties.
Devoting to him a mere two words for every game he played for the club says more than the last line of that statement: “The club wishes Glenn well in the future”.
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Hearts manager Daniel Stendel
Whelan had high hopes for himself, and the club, when he joined Hearts in the summer from Aston Villa.
Offers from sunnier spots in the far east were rejected as Mick McCarthy had told Whelan he needed to be playing at a high level to stay in the Irish squad. Bali could wait.
But halfway through his one-year deal, his time is up, and Whelan is sore about how it all happened, his demise coming with the arrival last month of new manager Daniel Stendel.
"I do feel let down. The way my name is out there now it feels like I have been thrown under a bus," he told Independent.ie.
"There are a lot of players at Hearts who have not been fit, I have tried my best with the quality that is around us and if that wasn’t good enough, it was certainly not my fault."
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Craig Levein, who signed Whelan in the summer, was sacked in October after a poor run left Hearts deep in relegation trouble.
A six-game run under a caretaker offered no relief and in mid-December Hearts brought in German coach Stendel.
And from the off, there was trouble for Whelan.
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Glenn Whelan injured his hamstring while playing for Hearts in a Scottish League Cup semi-final. Photo: Stephen McCarthy/Sportsfile
"When the new manager came in, the first person he spoke to was me. He was already having a bit of a go," he says.
"My reaction was, you have just walked in the door, you’ve not seen anything.
"In training, I think he did things to show the other players, especially the younger players, that he was the boss, he was nit-picking with things I was doing in training."
Whelan did start in the new manager’s first game, at home to St Johnstone.
"We conceded a late set-piece and lost the game 1-0, but I think I did OK. And then he dropped me for the next game, Celtic at home," he recalls.
"I wasn’t going around the place grumpy or banging down his door. I kept my head down and trained hard, I did all that was asked of me, I was professional.
"If you ask any Hearts fan who had seen our games, I’d like to think they’d say I was willing, trying.
"I played eight home games and got five man-of-the match awards.
"Results weren’t great and form had dipped, some of the lads their heads dropped, but I don’t think I played badly.
"We played Celtic at home, we were 2-0 down at half-time when he brought me on. After the game he had a pop at me. We were 2-0 down when I came on and we lost 2-0, how can that be my fault?" Whelan asked his boss.
Within days, Stendel had a pop at Whelan in the media. He said the experienced players such as Whelan "cannot handle the situation at the moment."
Asked if Whelan had leadership qualities, he said: "A real leader in the centre of the pitch? Sorry. Maybe I missed it." Ouch.
On Christmas Day, eve of their derby with Hibs, Whelan was hit with a real blow.
"At 9.10pm on Christmas night there was a message in the players' group chat, that they only wanted 18 players in the squad for the next day. And I wasn't in it, that was the first I knew," he says.
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Aston Villa's Conor Hourihane, Henri Lansbury and Glenn Whelan celebrate after winning yesterday's Championship play-off final at Wembley. Photo: Reuters/Ed Sykes
"So they played Hibs on St Stephen’s Day and I wasn't involved. I had the kids up there with me, I was more than happy to go and be part of the game.
"Things were being said about me, that I didn’t fancy it, I was laying down the tools. No way was that the case on my part.
"I don’t think he was watching the games if the manager felt like that.
"My form was good for the last few months but the manager came in and wanted to show his power, show the other players that he’s the boss, he’s the main man."
Worse was to come on the day after the derby.
"I went in to train on the 27th, there were two groups: a recovery group of the lads who had played and another group of players who hadn’t played and those not in the squad. I wasn't in either group. My name wasn't even on the sheet," he says.
"I went to the manager to try and have a word.
"He was watching videos of the Hibs game and said he didn’t have time to speak to me.
"I went to the gym, did a bit of work on my own, got showered and went back to my apartment. That was the last of it for me at Hearts."
His treatment by the manager hurt.
"I can’t accept him coming out and questioning my leadership skills or saying I didn’t do the job, I did the job he asked," he says.
But, whatever about being dropped, Whelan feels let down by how the club treated an employee in the days after.
"They call themselves a professional football club, but I never heard anything from anyone at Hearts," he says.
"On Monday night, I got an email from someone at the club with the contract details, asking me to sign so we could go our separate ways.
"I didn’t ask for any money, I was happy to just go. But it was all very amateurish from their side.
"When I left Villa, they went on to the Premier League and I class that as a success, I’d class my time at Stoke as a success.
"New managers can come in with new ideas, that’s football, but to be let down the way I was and be treated the way I was, with no one at Hearts having the decency to speak to me or give me a call: that’s disappointing."
Copied that off JKB
Full interview from Irish Independent (I think)
Hilarious reading all this - they are in absolute turmoil and its only getting worse.
What is it they say? Satisficao, Pleasing etc
Hearts are going Down
Uche uche uche uche nananana
Whereas the Whelan press piece is definitely that of a disgruntled player venting anger at publicly being accused of not pulling his weight the Berra one is interesting as its a TV piece done at Oriam/Riccarton after training or similar, my thinking is its the TV crew doing their 'documentary' and sold it to the BBC, who have commissioned the documentary.
This may well be standard after training or matches that they would pull over a player, particularly the captain, for a quick chat about things. Berra may have thought this would be a piece for the documentary but all of a sudden its all over the news, supporters are calling him out for it and the club are looking as though they have treated a loyal servant to the club badly. Dr Budge and the documentary creating another sh#tstorm haha, it's one laugh after another
Berra and Wheelan going through Stendel says a lot. Can't recall players publicly having a go at a manager like that before up here. Almost unheard of. From the outside looking in his treatment of Berra looks odd to say the least and the Whelan one seems to have been handled just as poorly. Interesting to see if it has a positive or negative impact on the team. By all accounts Berra was well respected and well liked by the players. Just a strange club.
No mention of being racially abused by fans, so looks like he got off lightly during his time in The Cauldron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaff
I don’t think getting rid of Whelan would have been much of an issue but Berra is a different story. You’d imagine he’ll be quite a well liked figure in the dressing room and seems like a very similar issue to the one we had with McPake when we got relegated
Screams of McPake and KTQuote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
I don't see what the problem is, the 1 all draw Vs Aberdeen saw a heroic performance not witnessed since "are boys" took back the Falklands from the Argies and dare I say even McCraes batallion would have been in awe of what was on display at Tynecastle that special day.
If Budge wants to make up the short fall on the stand I hope she shows some more saavy business by releasing a DVD of that glorious day.
I can't believe that Hearts, with Budge and Potter there, would feel that it was appropriate to treat Berra and Whelan like that, Berra especially. You would have thought one of them would have had a word with Jerry Butcher to say "hold on a minute, that's not really on..." But then I remember it's Hearts and I do believe it.
Kickback is absolute comedy gold at the moment. They're talking about planning a German flag waving frenzy in the Wheatfield to show the media they are behind Stendel (I kid you not). I suppose it will make a change from them waving the white flag at the PBS. The delusion on there is actually frightening.
Long may Queen Ann and Stendel the Jakeball reign.
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That's where I'm at - I'm really struggling to imagine Ann Budge thinking that was a fair way to treat employees and she must be desperate to save cash if she's allowing that. CL not so much, I doubt he has any influence with the new Deutscher landstreicher in town.......Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Hearts fans I know seem to be missing the point completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Getting rid of two players who haven’t been performing well is absolutely fine.
Doing it in such an unprofessional way isn’t.
Out of all the comments on Twitter, Facebook and from speaking to people none of them seem to be grasping that at all.
If the manager is a dick, he will struggle to get the players to play for him, especially when his credibility is completely shot to pieces after the Christmas Day debacle.
Exactly, what would have been wrong with the manager meeting the players and explaining that they weren't in his plans and he was going to try and move them on?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
A bit of common courtesy goes a long way. Anyone who's been in football for any length of time will know how it works, you can let players go without being a total tool about it.
Common courtesy or similar isn't even on their radar, these are the people who stiffed causes they also glory in without a backwards glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Football equivalent of Frank Gallagher from Shameless.
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The Berra one is a strange one. He is one of their Scottish Cup winners. Amazing how much the fans are sticking up for a manager they had never even heard of a few months ago. I personally would be gutted if we treated the likes of Paul Hanlon like this.
But the Hearts fans are desperate. They know that Stendel is the last throw of the dice and if it doesn’t work they are relegated.
Think Budge is away on hols at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
That is even funnier. "Look after the place while I'm away, Dan, will you? Try not to wreck the place."Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I guess it doesnt matter to them if they get relegated because it will never take away that draw with Aberdeen.
Nothing can take that away now
Think i read something similar, only Hearts ehQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Totally agree, the majority of them are right on the guys case. Maybe Berra should be dropped and let go as he does seem a bit passed it but the bile getting spewed out against him is crazy. The new manager’s just in the door, very little management experience, no idea about Scottish football and has taken one point from five games. As you say 95% of them probably never heard of Stendel a few months back but he gets overwhelming backing for rubbishing and humiliating their current captain and top servant of the club. Desperate and deluded doesn’t even start to describe them. Hope they go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barman Stanton
What's even more astonishing is the leeway they are giving Stendel and this siege mentality going on amongst them that the whole if Scottish football is conspiring against them. He has come into a club who have overspent on a main stand to the tune of millions, still have a previous coaching team milling around, have senior players who don't rate the guy on first impressions, have lost 4 and drawn 1 in their last 5 - yet a 'spirited showing' v Celtic in defeat seems to have convinced them all he's the German Pep Guardiola, and are rooted to the bottom of the league - and were pumped at home in a home derby :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
To not even sit their club captain down and fully explain the reasoning for his omission and imminent departure, and for players to be informed of their position via a players' social media group page is embarrassing and amateur in the extreme.
And this 'gegenpressing' nonsense - you'd think chasing to get a football back was a novel concept in sport the way they are banging on about it. Total spin and rhetoric and their media jumping on a Klopp-esque coaching manual. It's what good teams and players do (and should do) instinctively and without being told (closing down, pressing, winning possession back).
They are all in the 'too big to go down' mindset and teams like Hamilton (as we know) and County, etc. are not going to lie down and let them play - they are used to being in the predicament of relegation and trying to achieve safety. This is a whole new football environment for them and their players. And whilst it's not new to have players training with reserves to try and convince them to leave, it's extremely divisive especially when said players have good relationships with other first team players.
Be interesting if the BBC (Sportsound) have John Rankin on again and ask him his PFA opinion on how players are being treated :cb
I'm just glad we have the senior management team we do and a new manager who looks and talks like he knows what he is doing. And who has the measure of Stendel :greengrin:aok:
They are the most delusional fans in world football.Quote:
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It is the winter breakQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Just leave the keys under the plant pot on the plaza. Craig will open up in the evening.Quote:
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They've got 2 Sporting Directors at the moment, surely one of them could have told Whelan to his face he was not in Stendel's plans. Did they not say a few weeks back that Levein and MacPhee would be dealing with the ins and outs?
You do realise the Easter Road tunnel is also slightly off set...they're just following the fashions we setQuote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Statue in the Piazza/Plaza/Square in front of the office block if Daniel gets them past AirdrieQuote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
New assistant being appointedQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Players getting shunted out the door
New players being targeted
Guess Levein and McPhee will be ok overseeing that
You do know that if the beat L1 Airdrie, DannyBoy will be portrayed as the saviour of all saviours.Quote:
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Spot on. I don't get what Stendel has done so far to convince anyone he's some sort of messiah. Mind you, to even consider the alternative - ie that his appointment is going to turn out to be another monumental Budge mistake - must be unthinkable for the yams.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
If true it would explain the silence from Hearts about the flak they're taking. Otherwise I'd have expected another rambling Budge statement about it all by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
It's pretty obvious they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Actually it's the pitch that's offset.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Not usually one to bother but that ‘In Stendel We Trust’ thread was so weird that I couldn’t stop reading. A German flag the size of the Wheatfield with all their blue nose sympathisers waving Union Jack’s in amongst it. They’re the pantomime club that just keep on giving these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by The Captain....
I think she’s had enough TBH, she looked exhausted last time she was on TV. For her health sake she’d be better away from that place. No one can cope with delusion on that scale 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
It’s also a very important time of the season for the decision makers at the club to be kicking about transfer/contact wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
[QUOTE=Cataplana;6039191]It's pretty obvious they are.
Actually it's the pitch that's offset.[/QUOTE]
Take a well deserved badge and go straight to the front of the class. :top marks
The 'We are all Daniel Stendel' thread runs it close for a pantomime award...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crutch
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...aniel-stendel/
All the more reason for her not to be there. It's plainly obvious she doesn't have a clue about the football side of the club, and will continue to do what Craig tells her. She's been having her strings pulled since the day she bought the dead donkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
AmazingQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
The Christmas period and January are critical at a football club. Hearts have players, owners and managers taking annual leave. To be fair the glorious draw with Aberdeen justified itQuote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Every time anyone mentions those stairs it cracks me up, anyone got the pic?Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
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Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
She doesn’t have a clue about **** all.
Wow. It's like an outbreak of collective insanity that. Mass delirium. One of them saying Stendel has "the best football brain out off any manager we’ve had over the 30 odd years I’ve watched Hearts." Quite staggering.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
No wins in 16 games and one point from fifteen. They're easily pleased now.
Disappointed Whelan didn’t demand his pay offQuote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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Originally Posted by G B Young
Jerry Butcher indeed. It’s like a re-run.
Wow. Does that poster actually think that? I'd love to know what he/she bases that on. That must have been some drawQuote:
Originally Posted by Baader
Indeed, everyone knows mad Eddie Malofeev just shades it ahead of potter and father Dougal!Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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Our Daniel......WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
When you escape from the asylum you don't go back and ask for your toothbrush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
Such confidence from the OP on that thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baader
"we will witness one off the best Hearts teams and Managers ever next season"
Also:
"I have a feeling stendel will make history at this club.
I’m aware that is some statement to make but it’s just a feeling a can’t seem to shake."
The yams do seem to attract more than their share of dafties.
I believe this is the photo you're looking for. :wink:Quote:
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