Time to back the club now that it has done the decent thing

If people are expecting Hibs to spend more than they can afford before thinking about supporting the club in what will be a tough season financially maybe the Huns are right...?

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I'll throw that one back at you J. If it was any other team would there be such a determination by so many to see them booted all the way to Division3? I'll be honest here and say a lot of my desire to see them booted to the bottom is because of the utter contempt I have felt for that club for years. If it was, for example, St Mirren in their position I don't think I would be too bothered which division they ended up in.

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I agree its a LOT to do with which team it is, there's no denying that. Where i disagree is, if this was St Mirren, and they'd done what Rangers have done, i'd be feeling the same.

I have a season ticket for next season, i want to watch us play but i wont be back to watch Scottish football should the rules as they stand now are not applied. No other league in the world would try and shuffle things around to make sure one of the rich ones could escape the right punishment.

Thats why if they are not made to apply at the bottom i wont be back, that would be the same for Rangers or St Mirren.

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

Two to three weeks ago, we were all waiting to see whether or not the club were prepared to do what was necessary to fix the broken product on the pitch after yet another utter humiliation against our rivals and coming within 90 minutes of relegation. That hasn't even come close to happening yet and the board know it, and here we are being told to forget about that and part with our cash again, just because the club announced they were going to do what there should never have been any doubt about them doing? They must think we are all bent over and waiting for our umpteenth shafting...and it seems some of us are only too happy to oblige. This doesn't change a damn thing: not about the team and not about the huns situation, which is far from resolved.

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The message is clear - there will be an income shortfall because of this decision.

The majority view on this thread appears to be that the Rangers decision will not affect the money that people will spend with the club. If that is the case the club should have said yes to the huns and tried to protect that income stream as the punters are unwilling to make up the shortfall.

Point being if it were say, st mirren we wouldn't be having the debate as it would have been "go directly to 3rd, do not pass go ....." while traynor, young et co hammered the nails in the coffin


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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

"The right thing" ..... well the only thing that they could possibly do or the backlash would have been massive - so you could say the common sense decision.

Still a long way to go to getting more fans back to ER and a bit of a cheek in that statement asking for more money when Hibs fans have backed their team more than anyone in the league over the last few terrible seasons.

These are the key areas moving forward

1. Using ST money to bring in better / committed / consistent performers

2. The other SPL clubs making the correct choice and hopefully putting sevco down to Div 3 - Div 1 isn't good enough.

I have my ST in the East but still await with interest what direction Scottish Football / Hibs are going.

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Maybe but we have virtually demanded that they make a decision which could have severe financial consequences. Do we now say, tough, you made the decison, you pay for it? Our club has shown leadership on this issue from a very early stage. That surely deserves some credit rather than what some are doing, saying it's all they could do etc etc etc.

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Originally Posted by alnewhaven

Point being if it were say, st mirren we wouldn't be having the debate as it would have been "go directly to 3rd, do not pass go ....." while traynor, young et co hammered the nails in the coffin


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:agree: One rule for one, another rule for Rangers. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

The message is clear - there will be an income shortfall because of this decision.

The majority view on this thread appears to be that the Rangers decision will not affect the money that people will spend with the club. If that is the case the club should have said yes to the huns and tried to protect that income stream as the punters are unwilling to make up the shortfall.

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Exactly.

Renewing my season ticket had nothing to do with Rangers getting in or not. It's what Hibs do to improve the garbage on the pitch that we have had to watch for the last few years. I usually pay for my season ticket at the start of renewal time so the club has the money right away but it's made no difference. So this year, i'm waiting to see who they bring in.

I will buy a season ticket on 5 July, if Newco are asked to apply for admittance into the Scottish Football League.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I'll throw that one back at you J. If it was any other team would there be such a determination by so many to see them booted all the way to Division3? I'll be honest here and say a lot of my desire to see them booted to the bottom is because of the utter contempt I have felt for that club for years. If it was, for example, St Mirren in their position I don't think I would be too bothered which division they ended up in.

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Anybody who has cheated on that scale should receive the severest punishment possible as far as I'm concerned. They've enjoyed the years of success that their cheating has brought them at the expense of all others. As well as the money they've bumped the tax man and their other creditors out of, I wonder just how much other clubs have lost out on in prize money by being put out of cups, league placings and European placings by them cheating. If it was anybody other than them or celtc in this position the whole thing would have been over months ago with whatever other club emptied. You're right I do hate them, I hate bigots and I hate them even more now that I ken their years of dominance at the expense of others have been brought about by cheating. I have nae desire tae stop going tae the fitba, I've been doing it for 34 years but I winnae put in another penny if those running (ruining) the game in this country allow the rules tae be bent/changed tae allow certain teams tae cheat. It's very, very simple for me, if the right thing is done (the same thing that would happen tae any other club) I'll be back, I'll back my club, I'll back other clubs that did the right thing (except h***ts & celtc). If the wrong thing is done then I'll be finding something else tae dae with my money and time.

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Originally Posted by hibskid9

Could this be a little nasty trick RP has up his sleeve to make money? say he will vote no get the cash in for season tickets then vote yes on the vote? You never know with this money tight .....

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Always get one!!!!!!

We need to ensure that Hibernian FC don't suffer financially for doing the right thing. We cannot let Newco take us down with them, and it's going to take fans coming back in their numbers to make sure that we aren't put in a very severe financial situation.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

The message is clear - there will be an income shortfall because of this decision.

The majority view on this thread appears to be that the Rangers decision will not affect the money that people will spend with the club. If that is the case the club should have said yes to the huns and tried to protect that income stream as the punters are unwilling to make up the shortfall.

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Absolute rubbish.

Hibs have done the right thing.

As RP said; "Rod Petrie, Hibernian chairman: “Fundamental to us at our club is to make sure the integrity of the game is not called into question and that the sporting integrity of the competition we take part in is maintained at the highest standards.

“It’s not a question of any sum of money in return for that integrity – integrity is beyond purchase. It’s important that all clubs can have a place within football, provided they have earned it in a sporting sense and have abided by the rules.”

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Originally Posted by hibskid9

Could this be a little nasty trick RP has up his sleeve to make money? say he will vote no get the cash in for season tickets then vote yes on the vote? You never know with this money tight .....

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Idiot.

I get the feeling people wanted to boycott Hibs if Hun thing went wrong but aren't so keen on backing the club

If so it will only show to chairmen the financially prudent decision would have been to allow corruption, not a great message

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

Anybody who has cheated on that scale should receive the severest punishment possible as far as I'm concerned. They've enjoyed the years of success that their cheating has brought them at the expense of all others. As well as the money they've bumped the tax man and their other creditors out of, I wonder just how much other clubs have lost out on in prize money by being put out of cups, league placings and European placings by them cheating. If it was anybody other than them or celtc in this position the whole thing would have been over months ago with whatever other club emptied. You're right I do hate them, I hate bigots and I hate them even more now that I ken their years of dominance at the expense of others have been brought about by cheating. I have nae desire tae stop going tae the fitba, I've been doing it for 34 years but I winnae put in another penny if those running (ruining) the game in this country allow the rules tae be bent/changed tae allow certain teams tae cheat. It's very, very simple for me, if the right thing is done (the same thing that would happen tae any other club) I'll be back, I'll back my club, I'll back other clubs that did the right thing (except h***ts & celtc). If the wrong thing is done then I'll be finding something else tae dae with my money and time.

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On this subject, we are as one.

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

I get the feeling people wanted to boycott Hibs if Hun thing went wrong but aren't so keen on backing the club

If so it will only show to chairmen the financially prudent decision would have been to allow corruption, not a great message

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:faf::faf:

Season ticket bought weeks before the cup final, yip i want to boycott the club and i'm dead against backing the club. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

I get the feeling people wanted to boycott Hibs if Hun thing went wrong but aren't so keen on backing the club

If so it will only show to chairmen the financially prudent decision would have been to allow corruption, not a great message

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The chairmen know that they will have to take a hit.

Motherwell are trying to persuade their fans to vote Newco back in for that very reason.

But our board knows what's morally right and what Hibs fans want.

I think they also know that there would be a much deeper, and longer hit, if Newco were allowed in.

If that happened, I, and many others, would never be back.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

:faf::faf:

Season ticket bought weeks before the cup final, yip i want to boycott the club and i'm dead against backing the club. :rolleyes:

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Same, all we are wanting is a fair league. Why is this so hard to achieve?

As per usual there are folk on here just looking for excuses not to back the club. Hibs have announced they will be voting no, just as we all 'demmanded' they should but still we get folk lining up excuses for not going to games. Now is the time to get behind the club and support them by buying season tickets or going to as many games as we can. Having been through years of austerity measures I think we are best placed than most to cope with the absence of Rangers so lets support the club.

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

Same, all we are wanting is a fair league. Why is this so hard to achieve?

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:agree: I agree with everyone who are proud that we have stated we will vote no. And while i'm glad, it changes nothing in my opinion, if those in charge dont apply the rules properly.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

As per usual there are folk on here just looking for excuses not to back the club. Hibs have announced they will be voting no, just as we all 'demmanded' they should but still we get folk lining up excuses for not going to games. Now is the time to get behind the club and support them by buying season tickets or going to as many games as we can. Having been through years of austerity measures I think we are best placed than most to cope with the absence of Rangers so lets support the club.

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looking for excuses :blah: :yawn:

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

I'll make my decision when they are confirmed in the bottom division whatever the set up is and not before.

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I'm the same. It's one thing for teams saying they'll vote NO, it's quite another paving the way for a short cut back to the SPL for Sevco.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Bottom division decision is nothing to do with Hibs.

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Granted, but supporters aren't turning their backs on Hibs (you can't, you're Hibs for life) they are turning their backs on Scottish Football.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

As per usual there are folk on here just looking for excuses not to back the club. Hibs have announced they will be voting no, just as we all 'demmanded' they should but still we get folk lining up excuses for not going to games. Now is the time to get behind the club and support them by buying season tickets or going to as many games as we can. Having been through years of austerity measures I think we are best placed than most to cope with the absence of Rangers so lets support the club.

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[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;3274182]:agree: I agree with everyone who are proud that we have stated we will vote no. And while i'm glad, it changes nothing in my opinion, if those in charge dont apply the rules properly.[QUOTE]

What rules? A large part of the problem is that we don't have any rigid rules in place to deal with this mess.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

What rules? A large part of the problem is that we don't have any rigid rules in place to deal with this mess.

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we can just make some up for them though, that's how it's done isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

.we can just make some up for them though, that's how it's done isn't it?

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Apparently. :greengrin

i am delighted our club has taken a stand against the famous glasgow bankrupts. i already have my season ticket and now i will buy the new strip for the belgium jolly up..... G.G.T.T.H. :flag:

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Originally Posted by famous_five_hfc

The most striking part of the 'no vote' declaration was this bit at the end. The standard of Scottish football is set to drop and we can't afford to boot out Rangers and then desert our teams. Our teams have never needed us more!

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Scottish football gets backed when and ONLY when there is factual evidence Rangers are in the BOTTOM league - can't believe the Dundee United
fans went running along as soon as their club made the announcement. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

I get the feeling people wanted to boycott Hibs if Hun thing went wrong but aren't so keen on backing the club

If so it will only show to chairmen the financially prudent decision would have been to allow corruption, not a great message

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The wouldn't be very smart chairmen then. The financially prudent decision would have been to make it clear from the very start that the cheating by Rangers would not be tolerated and that liquidation meant starting again at the bottom.

The longer that this has been dragged on, by SFA, SFL and SPL, is the main reason that they risk so many supporters being lost to the game forever.

We currently KNOW that they have evaded millions in tax, we currently KNOW that they used dual contracts, we currently KNOW that they have finally been liquidated, we currently DO NOT KNOW who is investing in Sevco, we currently DO NOT KNOW if they will have any players, we currently DO NOT KNOW if they could even fulfill their fixtures, we currently DO NOT KNOW if Green could still walk away.

On the back of all these uncertainties we have a court decision to change a punishment still to be resolved, we have a dual contract issue still to be resolved, we have various other rule breaks still to be resolved ... and the paper talk is not about what punishments but about how to fast-track entry into Division 1/SPL 2!

Regardless of which clubs publicly say NO, they are all part of this process and the longer they let it rumble on the more fans will be lost to Scottish Football. They have so much more power available to them than a simple "No to Newco" statement which might be viewed by some as nothing more than a season ticket selling exercise.