I think Police Scotland have lost control no matter where it’s happening.
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I think Police Scotland have lost control no matter where it’s happening.
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There’s really not much they can do if people are just firebombing random houses in the middle of the nIght it’s not like Edinburgh is some wee village.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
My next door neighbour had their car stolen last week from his drive. Other high performance/sought after cars being stolen all over the Bonnyrigg area. Police had my neighbour in to be interviewed and said it was gang related.
The Kinahans seem untouchable, all the others from the super cartel arrested but they still avoid deportation while in Dubai, is it the boxing connection that keeps them from being thrown out, one things for sure this is not the end of them and I wonder if the bbc will do more episodes about them as things play out here in Scotland as I can’t see things calming down any time soon, can’t be long before a fatality happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I wonder why we saw all those boxers endorsing the Kinihans but Josh Taylor wasnt mentioned, particularly as he is a high profile boxer nicked from McGuigans stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
A few others were not mentioned either, I think Josh was one of the last to still be defending MTK and the kinahans, think the folk not getting mentions should be just as worried, and I see the Nero vodka scam owners have been released on bail in Spain where it was reckoned they laundered about £200m for the Kinahans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
I remember watching the McGuigan interview a while back when he was discussing Josh switching camps, he seemed visibly upset and angry the way he was treated but was obviously very cagey and chose his words carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
I had absolutely no idea who the Kinahans were until I read this and subsequently googled them. They don't seem a very pleasant bunch that's for sure.
Watch the documentary on the iplayer. Its an eye-opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wembley67
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Originally Posted by tamig
That whole period was just bizarre. About a dozen boxers who had jumped ship to the MGM/MTK stable all taking to social media en masse to savage their former promoters and managers and spouting 'it's all totally above board, they are great guys, totally legit and legal and people will just believe anything they read. I wouldn't involve myself with anyone who dealt in drugs or was a criminal'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
$1bn of totally legit net worth.
I always wonder where Matthew Macklin fits into it all now, if at all. He was the front when they first got involved in boxing and it was his name on the door but I think he walked/was pushed fairly early doors. He's still doing his bit on Sky so must have walked away with his reputation relatively unscathed.
Boxing and broadcasters don’t really care about reputation. Everything was known about these guys at the time and everyone just held their nose and collected the cash. They could come back tomorrow and the same would likely happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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I think McGuigan had had enough and knew if he was to outspoken about it his life and family would be in harms way, the Kinahans took who they wanted and knew there would be no comebacks, a judge can order them to pay money but they don’t and won’t pay it and while they are in Dubai they seem to have some protection out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
They must have been handing out money like it was confetti to these folks, and not just the boxers, Johnny Nelson MM as you mentioned and Steve Bunce Bob Arum were promoting them and bumming them up big style, but as soon as things were out in the open they wanted nothing to do with them, it was well known at the time who the Kinahans were but it would seem cash was king, and not forgetting that they tried to move in on the football agent stuff here in Scotland and is it coincidence that Hamilton Accies are in trouble at this time as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Yip, but I’m pretty sure somewhere down the line a few doors will be knocked by the police to investigate money laundering, things like cars motorbikes and watches better have receipts for them as saying they were gifts will not wash with the fraud squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Police Scotland still not got this under control. More fire bombings in Gorgie last night.
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They won’t get it under control anytime soon imho. This will just roll on and on. Even if they arrest say 5 another 5 will step up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I would suspect their biggest fear is the collateral damage that this feud/war may cause. At some point an innocent member of the public not involved in any of this becomes a victim.
Sad but true. Irish police didn't manage to stop it even with 19 shot dead in Dublin. Decriminalisation of drugs is probably the only answer, until then no country will stop the violence that the money bringsQuote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Im just around the corner and never heard anything about this. Where about in Gorgie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://news.stv.tv/east-central/edi...going-gang-warQuote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...r-35177220.amp
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6 arrests on Friday.
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Machete attack last night and there was one on Tuesday as well.
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Two more dead last night in Spain. Shot in a bar.
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Two big players, it’s all out war now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Was that on Richardsons side or the other side ?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Other lot I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c991jpemrd9o.amp
Named by BBC
Lyon’s side, Richardson sides with Daniel’s family, somebody is not messing about here, it could also be retaliation for the murder of Kevin the gerbil Carroll, who’s wife’s house was petrol bombed a few weeks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
Also reported a plush house somewhere in the west targeted by firebombers shortly after the shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Watching Mobland at the moment, seems quite fitting! Probably less helicopters and trips to Antwerp in the battle for Granton though.
Can anyone do or link a brief summary of what/why this is happening?
I was just watching that and wondering who is Conrad Harriagn and who is Richy Stevenson in this saga. And who is Harry, don't mess with Harry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Big boy does drugs deal with wannabe big boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
BB pays for deal with WBB with £500k of counterfeit money. "He's just a wee boy, he doesn't matter".
WBB "pass me ma matches"
Getting out of hand all of this. Won’t be long until someone innocent dies
Thanks CWG. Madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Heard via a friend of my wifes that the Police are almost happy to let it sort itself out as long as no-one gets caught in the crossfire. Seems risky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
I doubt thats really the case though.
I'd doubt it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
If they all take each other out, then there's a vacuum. So new WBBs try to step in. The cycle continues.
And more firepower is brought to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Police Scotland have taken their eye if the ball here though. It’s not like these guys are not known. They should have been watching their every move long before now.
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I think the police are limited in what they can do. Normally it takes years to prove/arrest people .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I bet they wish they could just round up all known dealers/gangsters but the bad guys are always one step ahead with communications and they know how to evade police.
Now and again the police get lucky and gain access to communications etc which leads to arrests.
I’ve had many break ins at my properties and each time the police are powerless because the low level criminals know the system inside out which they exploit and the police can’t do anything.
The John Wick Universe approach, let them get on with it so long as they only kill their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
The police are hardly stopping things from happening though, they may be making arrests after events but this will just continue and the most bizarre thing for me is where certain prisoners are being housed during this carry on, having the top guys in Saughton is just madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Seen that, coincidence or not :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Helicopter out early this morning over the capital.
That’s not the only effect though. If the country is seen as lawless then investment drops and everyone’s standard of living falls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
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Aren't you their target?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Silverado :greengrin
It was just a joint :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/...n=share-mobile
For anyone interested there is a 6 part BBC podcast on the feud. Explains the level of corruption in Police Scotland as well.
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People say believe half of what you see. Son, and none of what you hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
What country has mastered drugs? Scot gov have not much chance and I don't think there is talk of decriminalisation just nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Takes more than decriminalisation. Addicts should be prescribed the drugs they need by doctors. Take away the business model from the gangsters and prevent needless deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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https://news.stv.tv/scotland/no-sugg...ce-in-scotland
Police Scotland have very quickly ruled out any link to the gang war here even though it involves the leaders of one of the gangs? They have bothered to send anyone to Spain.
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/no-sugg...ce-in-scotland
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I'm not casting nasturtiums but the corruption at the highest level in Spain is astonishing ; recently, 20,000,000 Euros was found hidden in the walls of a former anti drugs chief's home
near Madrid. Plus more in his office elsewhere. It must sicken decent police and investigators throughout the country.
The drug cartels have people inside Police Scotland as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by pollution
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https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000711255267
Short explainer here.
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Another chapter in the gang feuds in the Inch. Shooting, drive by, at the Inch, off Walter Scott Avenue. House still cordoned off by the Police.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...treet-31855425
Police Scotland need to hold firm here and direct even more resources towards operation Branchform. The public can handle the odd shoot out so long as we know they are going to get Sturgeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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Not sure what the last part of your final sentence means?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Looks like he’s suggesting that our national police force of 16.5k officers is incapable of handling two separate enquiries at once, and should drop every other crime in the county to focus entirely on the current gang feud.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
20 year old gang feud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
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House in Tranent set on fire at 6pm too, no concern for the other terraced houses attached to their target either.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...fired-at-home/
Literally nothing to do with Sturgeon. Why you'd even mention that is baffling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It was poorly worded. I thought he was maybe suggesting the public would be happy if the people carrying out the shootings “got Sturgeon”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Or maybe our police force are focusing on the wrong things?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Shoot outs and fire bombings, murders etc but let’s spend £2m on investigating NS?
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So what's your criteria for potential crimes being investigated or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Police should presumably just turn a blind eye to allegations (and subsequent charges) of embezzlement of SNP funds by its chief executive. Why should anyone care about that? They're only the people running the country after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Fair play. People houses getting fire bombed and shoot outs in housing schemes is no problem.[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibspur
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Except it is a problem, hence why there is a large operation well underway (Portledge), cycle paths being searched with a fine tooth comb resulting in firearms being recovered, and at least 44 arrests made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
“ More than 8,000 homes have been visited and over 1,600 vehicles stopped as part of the current investigation” - somewhat trumps a motorhome being seized and a couple of corrupt politicians being arrested.
The police are also limited by the fact that the biggest players calling the shots, are all doing so from Dubai.
You’re coming across as having a massive chip on your shoulder, and trying way to hard to connect two completely unconnected enquiries.
I don't actually understand your point. Has there been a suggestion that this investigation is in some way compromised by the probe into SNP finances?! That would be news to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Given these gangs have been at each other for 20 years I am suggesting that Police Scotland appear not to be on top of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibspur
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Hard to imagine a similar accusation of police time being wasted if the charges related to Labour or Tory embezzlement 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
I've asked a friend in the Polis the very same question, he stated that they know exactly who is doing what but proving it is another matterQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Which was my point a few posts back. Criminals know how the police operate and the evidence they need. Doing the crime is one thing but prosecuting it is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Without sounding hitler-esque, I wonder if the police could have emergency powers, perhaps approved by the court to avoid Trump-esque tactics, in order to arrest those they know are involved and hold them for a certain amount of time to allow things to die down.
I know the ethics behind is controversial but the police are fighting a losing battle and there has to be some deterrence to those who are instigating it
I think it would solve the problem, but it also opens up a massive can of worms that we shouldn’t open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Also, as I mentioned in a previous post, many of those calling the shots are in Dubai, whom we don’t have an extradition agreement with.
In my opinion the solution is maximum sentencing. We saw it with the Southport riots, people getting the jail for offences that would normally warrant a few hours community service. It worked and the riots halted pretty swiftly.
I personally feel that crimes like machete attacks and petrol bombing should warrant massive jail times at the best of times, but a partial solution to this gang war would be any crime that is proven at court and can be attributed to the gang war, receives the maximum possible sentencing for that crime type.
Any crime linked to organised crime should carry a massive extra tariff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
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What nation has got a control of drug gangs. They are a spiders web, if you take out one person there are hundreds more, take out a leader and someone takes over the web.
Most of this is backed by Kinahans Ireland had dozens of murders and still have no control of it. Sweden is being swamped by bombings and grenade attacks, Germany having a problem with cocaine wars.
What do we do, go down Philippines route with the death penalty, America with the amount of drug gang prisoners in the world but with no luck. I doubt police Scotland has much chance without decriminalisation from Westminster
I never really considered de-criminalising but logically it seems like the only option. Habe controlled areas where you can go and get what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Whilst we are on it, I think they should take alcohol out of supermarkets which is a **** for me but the government makes no money from minimum pricing. If we had licensed shops that sold alcohol, the government can benefit from the extra profit and use the funds towards NHS etc instead of lining supermarket pockets.
I think in Sweden you have to go to special shops for anything stronger than alcohol.
Plus there are so many empty shops in high streets etc that everyone would be neat enough to one to get alcohol and might bring footfall back to some areas. Solves empty shops and problem drinking!
That's a brilliant idea about the shops, would stop underage buying too if ID was needed unlike some shops, also stop impulse buying, going in for bread and coming out with a 6 pack for the sake of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I've said that about alcohol since minimum pricing was introduced. It's mad that consumers in Scotland are paying more for the same product but rather than that additional income going to the public good, it's going into the back pocket of Tesco and Asda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
The alcohol industry would fight it tooth and nail but it would be good policy imo, albeit with plenty potential issues to iron out.
Any consumer based item which is prohibited becomes an income for criminal gangs if there is enough profit to be made. Al Capone and his gang weren't running around with machine guns just to look hard.
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Very true. I might have to go to my local dealer to get my New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc rather then the government booze shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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Originally Posted by Hibs4185
...seriously, that was the situation in 1920s USA. Only there wasn't a govt booze shop.
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“I think in Sweden you have to go to special shops for anything stronger than alcohol.”
Yep, I recently visited family in Malmo and we had to go to a ‘special’ store to buy alcohol. It is only open for a limited time and closed at 7.30 if I remember correctly.