Frivolous overspending whilst underperforming last season.Quote:
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Frivolous overspending whilst underperforming last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Don’t think they sold Ginelley, his contract expired did it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
High earner apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
They should have been asking questions long ago. It’s one thing when it’s stolen Lithuanian pension fund money, totally another thing when Budge spends £15.5m of their own donated money. And £20m+ of Anderson’s. Complete silence. Like a gimp in a box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Latest stories are from Oct last year when they applied to (their pals in) the council for planning permission, so who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
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The one thing Hearts have excelled at over the years is wasting money. If anyone wants to know where all their money (or other people's money) goes, the answer is usually down the drain.
I love it that this thread is being followed on keek back and that a few home truths are being pointed out.
**** the hertz
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin
This 💯 percentQuote:
Originally Posted by Rumble de Thump
What was the final spend on the Tin Can Mega Stand?Quote:
Originally Posted by cocteautwin
£12M budgeted for but the last figures given in excess of £20M, maybe £25M.
That is just sheer ineptitude.
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Where are you getting that info from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Surely they havent wasted all that money?
They still don’t have a training facility that they own and the rental cost have increased materially.
They have next to zero youngsters coming through the development team (remember all the building blocks Levein was putting in place?)
Player sales have been shambolic. They rarely include sell on fees for talented players and the most recent exception was Hickey when he went to Brentford for £14m. Instead of getting c£3m for say 20% sell on, they got £100k based on a fixed sell on fee (absolute bonkers).
They make poor commercial decisions. The new away strip is a good example. It will not sell anything like the expect, rightly or wrongly kids and teenage boys don’t want to wear pink football tops. And grown men look ridiculous!
I have said this before but Budge continues to spend as much money as she likes, it is in her eyes her club and always will be. She has made clear she wants a stronger Women’s team and she wants to build a hotel in the main stand. With already banked (assumed) c£5m for finishing 3rd (but blowing it), it’s not difficult to see that they have been squeezed financially.
Hearts’ new stand is set to cost them almost DOUBLE the original price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee Daft
Jambos owner Ann Budge put a £12million figure on redeveloping Tynecastle’s old main stand when the plan was unveiled in 2016.
But now it has been revealed the price has soared to £21m – with a further £1.5m due to be spent on the final-phase second floor of the stand, which is due to go ahead later this year.
That would take the total spending on the Tynecastle Redevelopment Fund project to a staggering £22.5m – close to double the initial budget for the ambitious project.
However, Budge won’t give the go ahead for the final phase until all the money is in place for the nine-month process .
Once completed, it will provide the Premiership outfit with the potential to explore new revenue streams through hospitality and commercial ventures.
Fans’ group Foundation of Hearts and unnamed benefactors have been key in providing capital for the construction in the face of soaring costs.
Is it a waste of money though if you win trophies? With all that money flying around there must be cabinets full of silverware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumble de Thump
But wait. Only the 3 trophies in 60+ years. All paid for by Vlad and the stolen pension money. I know Vlad wasn’t around in 1998 but that trophy win wasn’t actually paid off until the club was sold to Vlad so technically the Lithuanian pensioners paid for that too.
And the current incarnation of Hearts? Zero trophies. Possibly £50m of donated money spent for zero trophies. You’d have though there might be some soul searching to work out why so much donated money had been spent for zero trophies but they seem to be more pre-occupied with slapping themselves high fives at how much they’ve donated rather than initiating a critical examination on the root cause of the dusty empty trophy cabinet.
To add to the above, from an old hibs.net thread, our entire rebuild cost approx the same as their single tiered disaster of an office fronted no view of the castle stand 🤣
greenlad
06-01-2011, 08:50 PM
Off the top of my head:
Famous Five and South Stands 1995 - about £7m all in for the two
West Stand 2001 about £7m
East Stand 2010 £6m
So £20m in total
Not sure they have any sellable assets either. Shankland about to turn 28. Would they get much for him? No players with sell-ons now Hickey has had his big move. We're miles ahead of them in that regard. This boy Savage was supposed to be revolutionary was he not?
Only from memory, bud. Bridge Hibs seems to have a link further back the thread. Am pals with two different contractors who worked briefly on the fitting out of the internals. Said the site was a farce and there was two or three dramas a week. Arguments and flouncings off. So a bit gossip on the price too as source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee Daft
The other reason I think they could waste that kind of money is something I know, and said so before they demolished their old rubbish stand to put up their new rubbish stand - They are, as a club, naturally entitled and naturally cack-handed. A toxic brew. With Budge in charge the build was always going to be over-fussed. No clerk of works, no architect, as they don't need those things as they are the "famous". They money down the drain in every dept.
It came in double, not unusual if the jobs a guddle.
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Imagine having a stand frontage that looks like a department store.
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They want Savage’s head on a stick given it’s 10th July and they haven’t made a single signing, losing out on many targets, including our new boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Hearts - 3 major trophies in 60 Years.Quote:
Originally Posted by cocteautwin
Hibs - 4 major trophies in 50 years.
Yet they think they are a massive club? :hilarious
Argument could be made that hibs and hearts have both underachieved relative to their size since… like foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
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I see Hearts are cutting OF allocations to 650 tickets 😂 superb to see the seethe from OF fans.
We are the only club getting the whole away stand as part of an agreement between the 2 clubs for derbies.
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Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
Some seethe, when half of their home end is empty, due to, their fear, of a humping from, mostly Celtic. :greengrin
Have they ever had a home sell out against Celtic, in recent years?
No idea but them and st Mirren sticking it up the OF gets a thumbs up from me. About time we did the same even if it meant taking a hit of a few thousand quidQuote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
You've no idea, but give it large about sticking it to the 'OF', by limiting them to small numbers? Why should anyone give your idea the time of day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
Personally, I enjoy the big atmosphere games. Why would you both, limit the atmosphere, and deny our club the huge income?
I have no idea if hearts don’t fill all of their seats but I have no interest in that. Maybe because the atmosphere at OF is vile and has been for years. If st Mirren can also do then we certainly can too. Some things are bigger than a bit more income especially when it comes to those 2 clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
Superb take from you though. Gave me a good laugh.
Not for me. I'd prefer not a single one of them got a ticket for Easter Road. Hate all the **** songs both sets of their fans belt out during games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
Fair play to Hearts on this one.
Would love us to do the same. Actually 650 is too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
I don't listen to the songs that opposition fans sing. I only care about Hibernian FC. If we banned every set of supporters because of the songs they sing, football would die a death. I don't care that the jambos sing 'all the hibees are happy', do you? I wouldn't ban them all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
Aye, you're at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
'At it', how? Because I don't want to ban away fans? Explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
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Originally Posted by JohnM1875
No reasoning for your 'Aye, you're at it', yet. Can only assume you were 'at it', :greengrin
Hing oan the noo ... rewind a bit .... what, he's a board member?Quote:
Originally Posted by cocteautwin
I know little about the nuts and bolts of UEFA FFP regulations, but as a board member does that not make the donations he gives the club subject to those rules. If a fan gives free money to a club with no involvement in it other than owning a season ticket or a hospitality box or something that's one thing. But if it's someone directly involved in running the club and decision making at board level surely any money they give the club has to be infringing on the rules about income and turnover based on the club's commercial activities. IE ... if the club uses that money to enable it to buy players over and above it's ability to generate income as a business, is that not breaking FFP rules?
ltyfQuote:
Originally Posted by fiddich
Nobody is banning away fans, it would be reducing their allocation. I would reduce their fans to the amount we get at Ibrox and Parkhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
Keep them, it’s a while since we had a pet yam on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by babahibs
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringothedog
It really should've happened by now. Money isn't everything.
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Originally Posted by Ringothedog
If we could fill their seats, I'd be all for it. But, it would cost our club a lot of money, with empty away stands. Dearie me. I'd hate you lot to be our accountants.:greengrin
It’s been asked before and established that there aren’t any FFP rules in Scotland. For Europe the FFP limits are so high that HMFC, even with their mega millions wasted, are nowhere near the limits. Anderson did say it was difficult gifting the money to Hearts hinting that it was something to do with being a board director and gifting cash to the club. I think he just meant it was difficult giving that cash away knowing it would be wasted for no reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Who knows why he wanted to be a board director. Probably thought he could make sure he had some influence over where his cash is being spent and wasted. Like the financier of the circus asking for front row seats to the expensive clown show.
Ah well. Even if he didn’t get to see any silverware at least he got a classical music concert and a comped meal at the castle view restaurant for his £20m+.
It will be really interesting to see if Anderson remains comfortable pissing away all the money he donates to the tynie clown show.
All the good feeling has evaporated from that club. They have a spineless CEO who takes orders from Budge. A former owner who thinks the club is still hers and her vanity project now. A sporting director who is now being questioned for last two windows and hasn’t been seen or heard from for weeks and a first team coaching set up of the three amigos none of whom have experience at this level or any record in transfer market.
Why would you continue to through millions at this project?
If I had that amount of money, I'd keep donating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
So will he.
I don’t know, I reckon homophobia is pretty ****in shan like. Ken what else is shan? Having 4k knuckle dragging gimps singing about killing me and my family, abusing our managers etc etc that’s really ****in *****. So yes, Rangers fans should be banned from ER and Celtic fans should be treated no different. They feed off each other like dirty parasites and their clubs make a fortune as they spread their bile across the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
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We’ve done it before? 4 times under Lennon I think and never lost a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
Of course it’s much easier to do with low capacity stadiums like tiny Tiny 😉
Because it may help us win points vs the uglies. Also, more of our own fans may attend if there aren’t thousands of unwashed coming through and taking over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
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Ignore the troll lads.
Now I heard they forgot to order the hotel when building the new stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
GGTTH
Is it just a coincidence that Hearts haven't signed anyone yet? Are players looking at the managerial set up and thinking thanks but no thanks? Are they struggling to pay players what they ask for? Ginelley left because Hearts couldn't afford his wage demands. All seems very strange. As usual they will probably come up smelling of *****...i mean roses.
Is this what BIG teams do?? Reduce the allocation for them then dress up as seats on fame day?? Happens pretty much every single home game against both OF teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
Credit to them mind the PBS will never be as full as ER!
ExcellentQuote:
Originally Posted by southern hibby
There's absolutely no denying that. Been discussed on here on many a thread that for a club of our size in Scottish terms we should have won far more than we have. But in our case I think that makes us humble enough not to run about pretending other clubs are beneath us, in fact it's not beyond yer average Hibs fan to have a joke at our own expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErinGoBraghHFC
But the way Hearts fans go on you would think they had far more than a measly 3 trophies in 60 odd years and just as many relegations ... as Scotland's alleged 3rd biggest club their failure to make a significant dent in that time gives them even less right to play Billy big baws than we have, but you wouldn't think so when you listen to fans of 'the famous'
They live off their derby record .... that might matter in Edinburgh and the rest of the two clubs catchment area ... but the rest of the world couldn't give a rats arse ... without looking it up I couldn't tell you what Dundee's historic record against Dundee Utd is, or Morton's v St Mirren, or Newcastle's v Sunderland .... I can tell you that Dundee United have won more than Hearts in the last 60 years, including the league, and made a European final, I can tell you that St Mirren have won the Scottish cup and league cup in that time, I can tell you that Newcastle have done the square root of sod all apart from the Fairs cup in the mid 60s ... I couldn't give a toss how many times they have beaten Sunderland.
It's winning stuff that earns you kudos and in the last 60 years their 'haul' of 3 trophies doesn't even match under achieving Hibs ... and even one of them is tainted by financial cheating. You seriously have to wonder where the hubris and unearned air of superiority comes from
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No club that has failed to win the league cup for 60 years can call themselves massive imo. Absolutely embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
A favourite detail of mine, on the rare occasions I look into the hearts fans forum, is this:
One of the things they seem to dislike most about Hibs fans is that we are capable of using email.
They say "emailing Hibees" like it's going to be devastating for the likes of you and me.
I mean, if use of email is a Hibs trait, what's the cardigan-wearing equivalent? CB radio from a Rover to a Saab?
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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Brilliantly summed up:agree::agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Goes back to a few Hibs fans getting involved in their meltdown under Mad Vlad when all the chickens came home to roost. They were all very upset at a perceived attempt by Hibs fans ( en masse if you listen to them ) to spike their attempts to dodge getting what they deserved. These are the same folk who have turned one of the most shameful episodes in world football history ..... not an exaggeration IMO .... into 'aye but Mercer saved Hibs'Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
They are very lucky in one regard. The fact that they aren't 'famous' apart from in their own minds has saved the name Heart of Midlothian from becoming a byword with the worlds football fans for the most Abhorrent behaviour a football club can engage in. If that had been Man United trying to kill off Man City or Real Madrid trying to kill off Atletico Madrid, or River Plate trying to kill off Boca Juniors through the stock market their very name would have become reviled throughout the football world to this day.
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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
One??
[QUOTE=BonnieFitbaTeam;7390843]
One??
Take my word for it mate, I was being kind.
Agree completely with this but you need to be careful here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddich
Someone will be along shortly to say that you’re enabling sectarianism by enjoying yourself.
Apparently we’re part of the problem if we enjoy these atmosphere’s at ER!!
In a nutshell. Great postQuote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
[QUOTE=NAE NOOKIE;7390850]Confused here, why would anyone be kind to the hertz? poppy thieves and snakes who would steal pensions from old folks, do they deserve any kindness, do the hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieFitbaTeam
**** the hertz
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...omment=9820385
The Natives are worried
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[QUOTE=A Hi-Bee;7390964]Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
That's more like it!!
**** the Hertz
I don't know what they are worried about. In Robbie Neilson they have the greatest Scottish football manager since Sir Alex Ferguson and they will split the OF this coming season and win the league by 2025. Or sumfin' like that. No?Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
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[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
That was priceless
Wonder who they think is the best out of there new managers ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Many years is it now since they won the League cup ? Do they still call it the Mickey mouse cup ? Rangers & Celtic need it for the treble so cannae be that bad .
Poppy stealers F.C
Again ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
IF they win a cup . Which one of the three collects a medal ?
If they win a cup probably Superman.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Have you never heard of 3rd time lucky?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
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I'm more interested in the size of the cherry picker the SFA would need to hire for putting a medal over shanklands heid.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Among the list of recent achievements listed are third and fourth place prem finishes. This is basically first or second though according to the intelligentsia. Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
[QUOTE=A Hi-Bee;7390964]Aye well, when you put it like that I have to agree ..... **** the Hertz :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Looks like I'm quoting myself here .. but I'm not :confused:
Talking of banter. How stupid is a club that had the room and the money to expand their stadium to over 22,000 who are now losing money hand over fist because they are having to give away support seats to their own fans. Don't get me wrong, it's good news for any club if the demand from their own support gives them the ability to reduce the away allocation. But the fact is Hearts could have had the best of both worlds and their shortsightedness is going to cost them a fortune :greengrin
I recall the cynicism when RP extended the capacity of Easter Road to over 20,000 from 17,500 when the east was replaced. How much money have Hibs made from that near on 3000 extra seats since the stand was built? It probably isn't far off a million quid, maybe more.
I think what is most pleasing is that most of them don't have any concerns that they fired an experienced manager (albeit a distinctly average one ) and have replaced him with someone that isn't qualified and has almost zero experience. Scraped a draw in a game against us where the yam fuds in the wheatfield and ball boys both had more possession than their team in the 2nd half and he's on a par with Mourinho :greengrin
Very good email.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Just one correction I would make.
Under the pieman their debt started to rocket in the mid 90's. Won the Scottish Cup in 1998 when this debt was already at unmanageable levels (probably £20m). They wouldn't have won this without this massive debt from the players bought.
Tiny was about to become Tesco when their corrupt Lithuanian comes along. No one else wanted to touch them. Then another 2 Scottish Cups are won under a £40 - £50m debt (they did a few of these dodgy debt for shares arrangements so the real debt was more than this). Then their embarrassing admin takes place.
Their only 3 major trophies in the last 60 years won under a massive debt. Even the most maroon Yam would admit they would not have won this without players they could not afford to buy.
Debt written off when they went into Admin. Anderson appears (where was he when this was all going on) and a new stand pops up in a couple of years.
Staggering.
2 tainted wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
I liked this piece of wisdomQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
"Gees! What is there not to understand with the management team!? Naismith is effectively the manager but for uefa purposes, we've got to say it's McAvoy because Naismith doesn't have the correct pro licence. I can't see why so many people are finding that hard to get their head around.
We're hardly a basket case because the OP doesn't understand the above"
Maybe I should upset the jambos by forwarding it, in an email (an EMAIL!) to Uefa...
They are an absolute basket-case of a club. Their two Scottish Cup wins from 2000 onward have been thanks purely to stolen taxpayer money which resulted in them essentially going bust. Following their bail-out and £50m+ worth of cash injections in recent years (basically charity donations), they only have 2 relegations, some embarrasing European losses (Birkirkara...yes....who?), no training centre and a ground which is too tiny to develop out further following their main stand redevelopment (which itself was a shambles and is not fit for purpose for a building to today's standards). It is simply embarrasing for them that after all of that money, all of that cash, they have the same amount of 2000's major honours as we do (oh, and one more relegation :faf:). Wee team, big delusion.
They've always been tinpot. With delusional fans.
Brilliant post. Totally agree. I could ask the majority of people at work here in Dundee who was the last team to win the Edinburgh derby and they wouldn't have a clue. They'd all remember the last Edinburgh team to win a trophy though. The wee 5-1 hand signs they do for a trophy they last one won over a decade ago has most people scratching their head. One administration, two relegations and a Hibs cup win since and they think it's still relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
It's 22173 days since they won the league cup.
I'm liking this explanation, it would make a cracking Punch & Judy show, which one plays the Crocodile though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
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Naismith saying to Frankie "That's the way to do it"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Sausages, sausages[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
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Originally Posted by Since452
They obviously have the derby record which has been a disgrace for Hibs since the 80s.
But even if you look at their trophies - they have 16 to our 10 - five of their 16 trophies came before 1901. Bawhair between us since then, and of course Hibs have the trophy upper hand over a period of nearly 6 decades.
When you compare European records Hibs also do much better than Hearts.
Hearts:
Played - 82
Won - 30
Drew - 18
Lost - 34
GF - 107
GA - 118
GD - minus 12
Win % - 36.5%
Hibs:
Played - 100
Won - 44
Drew - 20
Lost - 36
GF - 169
GA - 152
GD - + 17
Win %- 44%
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Give him his due, it's the correct explanation is it not? 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Indeed it is, current version anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Still think they should get a wee mini theatre set up on Porty prom though. Whoever gets the sausages gets to be manager.
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Oh no you don't! 💔Quote:
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That's the way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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You would honestly think that they have appointed Guardiola or another top manager the way everything is all hush-hush lets give Naismith a technical directors role and having different coaches speak to the media with their cover-up. So if and when results go wrong who gets sacked? Lol
Is that when they started building that new standQuote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
It's their ground capacity, inside those big daft heids they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
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Naisy? One of boys. A gentleman on the park and all those friendly connections he's made as a player will pay off in the transfer market.Quote:
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Can someone post the thread about Barclay to the Yams. I can't access it but I could do with some good fiction tonight
You see the thing is that on Jambos sickbag there's a thread about this thread. As everybody would expect its chock full of the usual derby record, 5 - 1, wee team predictable nonsense you always get from them. Bigger crowds, better stadium, the same old tiresome pish they think up in the middle of polishing the Rover and rush into the house to post to get it right up the peg selling hobo spoon burners.
:faf:
But then you get the one who says ... 'Hibs have no history' ... Ken, like formed in the worst possible social circumstances, fighting for years to be accepted, the first British club to play in European competition, the first British club to beat Real Madrid, the first British club to knock Barcelona out of a European competition, the club George Best played for, the club who pioneered shirt advertising, so prevalent now that it's embarrassing if your club doesn't have one. And you can chuck in a club anthem widely admired as one of the best in football by fans everywhere, even rivalling YNWA in polls of fans UK wide. The club referenced time after time in popular culture.
Meanwhile the 'famous' are famous for one thing, and it has absolutely nothing to do with football .... yet we have no history ... get a grip ya cardigan wearing golf club bores.
:yw:
Edit ... Actually it should be two things ... Also the only club in world football history to try and destroy a rival off the pitch. If they should be known worldwide it's for that, as shameful an episode as you will find in the 'history' of any club anywhere.
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Is polishing the Rover a euphemism for anything?Quote:
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What? The famous haven't played 100 European games yet? Can't be right?Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
Sadly no.[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
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Alludes to the perception that Heart of Midlowthian are the establishment club, with a higher proportion of their fans liable to live in Edinburgh's better off upper middle class areas .... not rich enough to own a Jag or a Bentley, but just well off enough to own something that's not as good, but still tell's you they are socially mobile. They almost certainly own faux leather driving gloves and keep golf clubs in the boot :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by PatHead