When we gonna get over it ?

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

Are you serious? Maybe we should have just conceded the Cup Final as St Johnstone have our number just now? Acceptance of failure; no wonder Hibs are amongst Scottish football's biggest underachievers when we have fans who are so defeatist.

The reason St Johnstone have our number just now, is because their Manager is more tactically astute than our Manager. While failing to win a cup final against a significantly smaller club is a regular occurrence for Hibs, the lack of application and fight, tactical naivety and horrendous performance in this year's cup final was completely unacceptable.

Like the majority of Hibs fans, we'll bounce back from the experience as we've done it so many times before. However, if we want to get rid of our soft underbelly for good, the club and supporters need to set the bar higher and stop sticking our heads in the sand.

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:agree:

I’m actually unsure if that post is entirely serious. There’s some good points in it but the suggestion that Jack Ross done the best he could possibly have done in that game is insane.

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

Are you serious? Maybe we should have just conceded the Cup Final as St Johnstone have our number just now? Acceptance of failure; no wonder Hibs are amongst Scottish football's biggest underachievers when we have fans who are so defeatist.

The reason St Johnstone have our number just now, is because their Manager is more tactically astute than our Manager. While failing to win a cup final against a significantly smaller club is a regular occurrence for Hibs, the lack of application and fight, tactical naivety and horrendous performance in this year's cup final was completely unacceptable.

Like the majority of Hibs fans, we'll bounce back from the experience as we've done it so many times before. However, if we want to get rid of our soft underbelly for good, the club and supporters need to set the bar higher and stop sticking our heads in the sand.

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“Acceptance of failure”. There’s that phrase that nobody can explain what it means coming up again.

The Hearts-esque arrogance of “significantly smaller team” rears its head too. Season ticket sales and the like mean nothing when a club has done so well to keep the core of their footballing department together and not even Rangers could stop them in the cup at Ibrox.

They were the clear best team in cup competitions this year, evidenced by the fact they won both of them. They stifled us and made us look poor, we are still a work in progress who have improved tenfold since Jack Ross came in but don’t yet have the versatility required.

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

However, if we want to get rid of our soft underbelly for good, the club and supporters need to set the bar higher and stop sticking our heads in the sand.

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This, 100% this. And, a good post in general.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

“Acceptance of failure”. There’s that phrase that nobody can explain what it means coming up again.

The Hearts-esque arrogance of “significantly smaller team” rears its head too. Season ticket sales and the like mean nothing when a club has done so well to keep the core of their footballing department together and not even Rangers could stop them in the cup at Ibrox.

They were the clear best team in cup competitions this year, evidenced by the fact they won both of them. They stifled us and made us look poor, we are still a work in progress who have improved tenfold since Jack Ross came in but don’t yet have the versatility required.

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From my point of view I couldn’t care less if it’s Hearts-esque arrogance to expect us to beat St Johnstone. We should be. Especially when we’re third in the league.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

I think anyone with any common sense understands the point I'm making.

Why is there such a need by the same posters to shoot down in flames other posters who post thoughts outside the box.

So by your logic we discredit the Scottish Cup win as it was against another Championship side? We beat our main competitors in the Scottish Cup Final and we had an excellent record against them.

The Stubbs team was better than the Lennon team that did get promoted!

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Nobody is being shot down in flames. The way these forums work is someone posts an opinion then others post either agreeing or disagreeing with it.

Sometimes, people use facts and evidence to explain why they hold a certain opinion, and others counter it. That’s just how it works.

Nobody is being shot down in flames, though.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

From my point of view I couldn’t care less if it’s Hearts-esque arrogance to expect us to beat St Johnstone. We should be. Especially when we’re third in the league.

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Yep. Hibs have let St Johnstone do a Cup Double where there was no Old Firm in the Semi Finals of both competitions. Let that sink in.

That's once in a lifetime stuff and Hibs didn't win either cup. That will be spoken about for decades!

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

From my point of view I couldn’t care less if it’s Hearts-esque arrogance to expect us to beat St Johnstone. We should be. Especially when we’re third in the league.

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St Johnstone probably looked at us and thought they should be beating us, they’re a consistent top 6 side, they’d already won a cup this season, and have been kicking about the top 6 for years while we pissed about in the Championship. They finished last season above us, albeit by benefiting from the decision to calculate the final standings on a points per game basis.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Yep. Hibs have let St Johnstone do a Cup Double where there was no Old Firm in the Semi Finals of both competitions. Let that sink in.

That's once in a lifetime stuff and Hibs didn't win either cup. That will be spoken about for decades!

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St Johnstone earned the cup double whether we like it or not. We didn’t let them have it, that’s pish.

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Originally Posted by h1bs4life

My 1st Hampden trip aged 10 was the 1972 Scottish Cup final with my brother , my dad and grandad so it was a pretty low point to start with. Grandad long gone never seen it, auld man now in his eighties still has a season ticket at least he has seen it.This season was the 1st Hibs appearance at Hampden we have missed since 1972.
Agree about the dross over the years Bertie Auld, Alex Miller although he had to put up with a lot with takeover at least won the league cup. We were good to watch under Mowbray although can't forgive him for leaving after giving Zibbi a 3 year contract. I don't buy or use boy band nonsense . Things were good under McLeish for a while.
We were good to watch under Stubbs and despite being in the championship beat a few Premier teams , if I remember right decent record against Hertz and Rangers good under Lennon as well.
The last few years have been good getting to latter stages of cups , lost count of the amount of long journeys home from Hampden .at least we didn't have that this year. Thought this was going to be our year again.
Bought my season ticket for next season 1st couple of days they were on sale and no doubt will be good to go when next season starts.
It makes it worse that it was not one of the Old Firm but St Johnstone we lost to , will get over it football wise like all the other times.
Ross deserves credit for getting us to third in the league , could have been so much more in the cups tho.

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A decent exchange of views with no animosity, I like that :greengrin.

My first visit to Hampden was the 6-1 defeat in 1972 as well, I think the overall excitement of going to Hampden kinda masked my disappointment.

Interesting your comment about it being SJ in the final and not the Old Firm.

When we beat Motherwell on penalties I was happy but not to the extent we were going to win the cup. However when Aberdeen lost on the Sunday afternoon a realisation came across me that it was becoming likelier, when it came to the Sunday night game I wasn't sure who I wanted to win. The head told me that Rangers winning would mean that getting third would be a great benefit but if St.Johnstone won then the cup opened right up. When the game started I found I couldn't want Rangers to win and found it amusing when SJ equalised and then won on pens.

Looking back I wish Rangers had won, there wouldn't have been the let down and anger we suffered in the final. I genuinely believe we would have played better as it would have been more open against them and we would have had a better chance of winning.

Hindsight eh.

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

St Johnstone earned the cup double whether we like it or not. We didn’t let them have it, that’s pish.

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In the two Cup games against them it is fair to say we didn't lay a glove on them.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

In the two Cup games against them it is fair to say we didn't lay a glove on them.

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That’s a fact, I’m not disputing that.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

From my point of view I couldn’t care less if it’s Hearts-esque arrogance to expect us to beat St Johnstone. We should be. Especially when we’re third in the league.

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It’s arrogance to portray them as this small team we are so much bigger than and expect to beat them all the time when their successes in the last decade dwarf ours. They deserve every bit of it too.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Yep. Hibs have let St Johnstone do a Cup Double where there was no Old Firm in the Semi Finals of both competitions. Let that sink in.

That's once in a lifetime stuff and Hibs didn't win either cup. That will be spoken about for decades!

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To be fair to SJ they won the cup by knocking out the teams that finished 1st, 3rd and 7th in the League. A lot of teams have had easier cup wins than that.

One of the reasons there were no Old Firm teams in the semi was they knocked one of them out in the quarters.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

I was being a little bit facetious and I didn't shoot you down in flames, I simply asked for some qualification.

I didn't say anything about the Scottish cup win? It was the single best day of my life away from my family and nothing will change that.

My logic that you seem to have such an understanding of is that you can't say our team that ultimately finished 3rd in the championship is actually a top 4 premiership team. A good team? Absolutely.

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:agree: I loved that team, but while they did well against top flight teams generally, they also lost games to teams in the Championship, who if we played them now, we’d get slaughtered for losing to them.

I’m not wanting to talk the team down, we had some great games with them - just need to make sure we’re balanced when using them as a stick to beat the current team.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

In the two Cup games against them it is fair to say we didn't lay a glove on them.

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Nobody did in the cup.

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

To be fair to SJ they won the cup by knocking out the teams that finished 1st, 3rd and 7th in the League. A lot of teams have had easier cup wins than that.

One of the reasons there were no Old Firm teams in the semi was they knocked one of them out in the quarters.

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Good point, and I do agree that it might have worked out better for us had Rangers beaten St Johnstone.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

It’s arrogance to portray them as this small team we are so much bigger than and expect to beat them all the time when their successes in the last decade dwarf ours. They deserve every bit of it too.

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So, why are we not taking their manager and scouting department?

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

The 15-16 Stubbs team was quite clearly a Top 4 Premier side stuck in the Championship. We beat every Premier side we faced. Granted it didn't get out the Championship but that side was everything we want in a Hibs team.

Attacking exciting fast paced football, wave after wave of attack.

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Mate you need to re-read what you’ve written. Your memory is clouded due to the cup win - we huffed and puffed against many championship sides that season, definitely not with attacking and exciting fast paced football. Morton at home, Alloa away - there’s a lengthy list.

We showed up in some big games - but not them all.

Winning the cup is what we want from a Hibs side but a lack of consistency like that we don’t.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

So, why are we not taking their manager and scouting department?

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Their fan base seems to allow stable management and blips in form which allows them to build.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

St Johnstone probably looked at us and thought they should be beating us, they’re a consistent top 6 side, they’d already won a cup this season, and have been kicking about the top 6 for years while we pissed about in the Championship. They finished last season above us, albeit by benefiting from the decision to calculate the final standings on a points per game basis.

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And they can think that all they like. I wouldn’t call that Hearts-esque arrogance either.

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Originally Posted by h1bs4life

Do you actually read posts , nobody has mentioned anything outside of Hibs and having to reevaluate their life. Its a football thing quite easy to seperate that from the rest of my life.
Are you one of the ones that if Hibs get beat you go home and kick the cat and don't speak to anyone ?

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I'm the opposite of that. We have people on here saying they are still raging? Like really. Are they still walking about the place in a rage? That makes no sense to me at all. If you are carrying around those feelings that is not a healthy position to be in. Or do you just feel the rage when you start typing on the forum?

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

So, why are we not taking their manager and scouting department?

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Have you not been paying attention to how they’ve succeeded? The large part of that squad have spent years at the club. They have an understanding of how they play that means even if a player makes an individual error, someone else is there to cover it straight away. It gives them more confidence to defend, press and at set pieces.

That can only come through time and makes them greater than the sum of their parts. There’s a reason Craig, Swanson and Drey Wright have looked a shadow of the players they were at Saints compared to their time at us.

You don’t develop a good team by chopping and changing all the time.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

It’s arrogance to portray them as this small team we are so much bigger than and expect to beat them all the time when their successes in the last decade dwarf ours. They deserve every bit of it too.

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Nobody expects us to “beat them all the time”.

Occasionally would be nice though.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

I'm the opposite of that. We have people on here saying they are still raging? Like really. Are they still walking about the place in a rage? That makes no sense to me at all. If you are carrying around those feelings that is not a healthy position to be in. Or do you just feel the rage when you start typing on the forum?

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I’d imagine they mean they’re still raging when they think back to the game as oppose to being raging in general.

If someone asked me about it I’d probably say “I’m still raging” when thinking back to it but I wouldn’t say I’m angry in general because of it

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Originally Posted by Half Pint

Some of the comments, bitching and sniping on this thread is crazy.

Unless your opinion fits the narrative your shot down on here :faf:

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I've read every post on this thread and it seems like a healthy discussion. Folk have different views and that's normal. Whats the narrative out of interest?

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Where did Hearts finish the season straight after they were promoted?

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3rd. In the season prior they romped the Championship. We did not.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

And they can think that all they like. I wouldn’t call that Hearts-esque arrogance either.

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The difference is that they would think that because of their results and achievements, our fans (or at least some of them) think that because we sell more season tickets and have a bigger stadium, wage bill and training facilities.

In the end it’s just the on the pitch stuff that matters.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Nobody expects us to “beat them all the time”.

Occasionally would be nice though.

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We did this season just completed.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Have you not been paying attention to how they’ve succeeded? The large part of that squad have spent years at the club. They have an understanding of how they play that means even if a player makes an individual error, someone else is there to cover it straight away. It gives them more confidence to defend, press and at set pieces.

That can only come through time and makes them greater than the sum of their parts. There’s a reason Craig, Swanson and Drey Wright have looked a shadow of the players they were at Saints compared to their time at us.

You don’t develop a good team by chopping and changing all the time.

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Good point.

But we also have players who have been at the Club years and years and years...................

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

And they can think that all they like. I wouldn’t call that Hearts-esque arrogance either.

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Neither would I, because it has a good degree of justification to it.

FWIW, based on spend/size of club we underachieve compared to St Johnstone.

The thing that makes a big difference, imho, is St Johnstone stick by their manager during tough periods. Davidson lost seven out of his first ten games, iirc.

We’ve folk who chase Ross after every defeat, we’ve had something in the region of 5 or 6 managers in the time they’ve had two. There’s something to be said for stability and letting managers get time to deliver.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Their fan base seems to allow stable management and blips in form which allows them to build.

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:agree: it’s like their accepting mediocrity moments have ultimately paid dividends big style.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Neither would I, because it has a good degree of justification to it.

FWIW, based on spend/size of club we underachieve compared to St Johnstone.

The thing that makes a big difference, imho, is St Johnstone stick by their manager during tough periods. Davidson lost seven out of his first ten games, iirc.

We’ve folk who chase Ross after every defeat, we’ve had something in the region of 5 or 6 managers in the time they’ve had two. There’s something to be said for stability and letting managers get time to deliver.

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I think we all acknowledge that the last thing we need/want is a manager change.

Its just amazing what St Johnstone and Calum Davidson have achieved to be fair and echos the point for stability.

I just hope we can build something here by selling Nisbet Porteous and Doig.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

The difference is that they would think that because of their results and achievements, our fans (or at least some of them) think that because we sell more season tickets and have a bigger stadium, wage bill and training facilities.

In the end it’s just the on the pitch stuff that matters.

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Just to be clear, St J can think that because of their results and achievements yet we finish third and we can’t? :confused:

Nobody is basing it purely on wage bill and training facilities from what I can see although they’re also factors that would lead me to expect to beat them.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Their fan base seems to allow stable management and blips in form which allows them to build.

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Would you expect Celtic fans to accept finishing behind us next season or losing two games at Hampden to us because we’ve got one of the longer serving managers in the league now?

Or to take that point further, would you expect us to finish above Celtic next season if we stick with Jack Ross and if not, why not?

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Just to be clear, St J can think that because of their results and achievements yet we finish third and we can’t? :confused:

Nobody is basing it purely on wage bill and training facilities from what I can see although they’re also factors that would lead me to expect to beat them.

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How many cups have the two clubs won in the past ten years?

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Would you expect Celtic fans to accept finishing behind us next season or losing two games at Hampden to us because we’ve got one of the longer serving managers in the league now?

Or to take that point further, would you expect us to finish above Celtic next season if we stick with Jack Ross and if not, why not?

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Exactly.

We laugh at Hearts for their big team mentality and persona but that's exactly what we need to have. The mentality of a big club and not accepting mediocrity. I couldn't care if it's our first time finishing 3rd in 16 years or 4th time in 40 years. We should be finishing 3rd and it was a weak 3rd this year.

Do Hearts or Aberdeen even celebrate finishing 3rd?

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Would you expect Celtic fans to accept finishing behind us next season or losing two games at Hampden to us because we’ve got one of the longer serving managers in the league now?

Or to take that point further, would you expect us to finish above Celtic next season if we stick with Jack Ross and if not, why not?

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Do you think the situations are comparable?

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Exactly.

We laugh at Hearts for their big team mentality and persona but that's exactly what we need to have. The mentality of a big club and not accepting mediocrity. I couldn't care if it's our first time finishing 3rd in 16 years or 4th time in 40 years. We should be finishing 3rd and it was a weak 3rd this year.

Do Hearts or Aberdeen even celebrate finishing 3rd?

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That’s what we need. We need to copy the team that got relegated last season.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

That’s what we need. We need to copy the team that got relegated last season.

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Eh, demoted actually.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

“Acceptance of failure”. There’s that phrase that nobody can explain what it means coming up again.

The Hearts-esque arrogance of “significantly smaller team” rears its head too. Season ticket sales and the like mean nothing when a club has done so well to keep the core of their footballing department together and not even Rangers could stop them in the cup at Ibrox.

They were the clear best team in cup competitions this year, evidenced by the fact they won both of them. They stifled us and made us look poor, we are still a work in progress who have improved tenfold since Jack Ross came in but don’t yet have the versatility required.

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Nobody is taking anything away from St Johnstone and their Manager; a remarkable and well deserved achievement in winning 2 cups.

Tell me though, why are Hibs always a 'work in progress' (which I agree with incidentally), and St Johnstone are dual trophy winners this season? They looked like relegation fodder when their rookie Manager came in earlier in the season. What is it that they are doing right and what can Hibs learn from them? Some things seem obvious - a stronger mentality, work ethic off the ball and tactical awareness.

On your point about arrogance, there is no arrogance in Hibs (the club and fans) having the self-belief and confidence to win against a club with significantly less resources than ours. Perhaps the arrogance is in fielding the same team and using the same tactics which have failed repeatedly time after time; somehow thinking that we must win as the opposition's players are inferior to ours?

You are right to say JR has improved us during in the time he has been in post and his job is clearly safe for now. The results in next season's big games (Hearts and cup games) however will determine his future. There is significant room for improvement but I hope he succeeds.

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That’s what we need. We need to copy the team that got relegated last season.

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If we were relegated in those circumstances do you think we would accept it?

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

If we were relegated in those circumstances do you think we would accept it?

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I see that we're back in the twighlight zone again...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Exactly.

We laugh at Hearts for their big team mentality and persona but that's exactly what we need to have. The mentality of a big club and not accepting mediocrity. I couldn't care if it's our first time finishing 3rd in 16 years or 4th time in 40 years. We should be finishing 3rd and it was a weak 3rd this year.

Do Hearts or Aberdeen even celebrate finishing 3rd?

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I think this is the 4 millionth time I've asked:

CAN SOMEONE TELL US WHAT NOT ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY LOOKS LIKE?

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Originally Posted by matty_f

That’s what we need. We need to copy the team that got relegated last season.

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I can’t remember who it was, I think it was a boxer, but they said that they don’t get nervous going into a fight because it’s not in the ring where you improve, it’s where you gauge you are at your abilities. You don’t improve by focusing on the moment of truth where you are revealed, you focus on training and improving on the build up to it as that’s the time that you can move forward.

We are not good enough to beat St Johnstone in a single match on a regular basis yet. We are good enough over the course of the season to accumulate more points than them.

We need to train our players better in a number of styles, build that understanding in the squad of the ways in which we play and of each other and also improve tactically.

I’m confident that Jack Ross is the man in time to reflect on the season just completed and implement training, coaching and recruitment that will see us develop further in time. He’s an articulate modern manager who fits the mould of what we need.

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If we were relegated in those circumstances do you think we would accept it?

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Am I reading this right?

You say we need to adopt Hearts' winning mentality, then it's pointed out they got relegated so you just go off on a tangent about something else?

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Originally Posted by matty_f

:agree: it’s like their accepting mediocrity moments have ultimately paid dividends big style.

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This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

Tell me though, why are Hibs always a 'work in progress' (which I agree with incidentally), and St Johnstone are dual trophy winners this season?

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Because since the start of the 13/14 season they have had two managers, we have had six, along with all of the upheaval that comes with that.

We should be planning for the future already and getting someone like David Gray or Darren McGregor prepared to take over from Jack Ross ideally two, three or even four seasons down the line so we have that succession in place, an understanding of the team style from the get go and we don’t have that upheaval all over again.

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Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse

Am I reading this right?

You say we need to adopt Hearts' winning mentality, then it's pointed out they got relegated so you just go off on a tangent about something else?

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Yep - nobody's excels at losing court cases like they do. That's the standards we should be setting.

Hibs players seem to blow hot and cold. Do we as fans over rate some of our players just because they wear the green & white. No matter who our coach is and whether or not you like Jack Ross or not I personally feel it is the players fault for the inconsistencies we have witnessed this season. Other than McGregor & Gray we have no real leaders on the park. The coaches can only coach and it’s up to the players to sort it out in the pitch and win their individual battles. We are getting outplayed by teams that on paper we are better than. I don’t have all the answers but we need to sort this out for next season. Great getting 3rd but could have been so so much better and these types of opportunities don’t come around often enough.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Because since the start of the 13/14 season they have had two managers, we have had six, along with all of the upheaval that comes with that.

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They also signed 8 new players this season including;

Rooney
Middleton
Conway
Bryson
Melamed
Brown
Zlamal

Previous season they signed (amongst others)

Booth
McCart

6 of the 11 played in the cup final (one off the bench) so I'm not buying this "played with each other for years" - not sure who said it but it's in this thread and then people are agreeing off the back of it.

I'm over the result, I just like accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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I love this post.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Because since the start of the 13/14 season they have had two managers, we have had six, along with all of the upheaval that comes with that.

We should be planning for the future already and getting someone like David Gray or Darren McGregor prepared to take over from Jack Ross ideally two, three or even four seasons down the line so we have that succession in place, an understanding of the team style from the get go and we don’t have that upheaval all over again.

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Agreed, which makes it so crucial to make good managerial appointments, not for the short term but with a focus on the future.

It's not something the club have been particularly good at in the more recent past. Only a fool would argue we didn't have to empty Butcher, Calderwood and Heckingbottom. They have however got it right as well at times with Mowbray, McLeish, Stubbs and Lennon having varying degrees of success.

Jack Ross overall has done well at Hibs finishing 3rd and he's got the potential to improve us further next season. Like all young Managers he'll make mistakes, but he does have to learn from them. Hopefully he will, but his comments after the cup final were concerning.

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This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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You can’t expect instant success because of the big two, but equally it’s very, very rare that you’ll get such an opportunity to achieve success because of the big two. Will be a long, long time before they’re both out of both tournaments before we even get as far as Hampden.

Another team have taken that opportunity, at our expense, twice. I’m just really toiling to share the positivity about what we’re going to build on the back of this season. We’ll win something again at some point in the future but for all the talk of building, having good foundations etc I don’t see it being any time soon because I don’t think we’ll get the same level of opportunity. As I said earlier in the thread, I think we’ll be fine next season, not sure how much more than that though.

We have no right to just turn up and think because it's St Johnstone we should win it comfortably. They have very good record against us and as its mentioned are a regular top 6 team. The most annoying thing about the game was lack of tactical nous by our manager and the total lacklustre performance from the majority of our team. It's obvious there'll be question marks over Ross and the team but it's now done and dusted, frustrations been vented etc. We have a new season beckoning, hopefully new players to get behind and no matter who's in charge we must get behind them, at least for the 1st few months.

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You can’t expect instant success because of the big two, but equally it’s very, very rare that you’ll get such an opportunity to achieve success because of the big two. Will be a long, long time before they’re both out of both tournaments before we even get as far as Hampden.

Another team have taken that opportunity, at our expense, twice. I’m just really toiling to share the positivity about what we’re going to build on the back of this season. We’ll win something again at some point in the future but for all the talk of building, having good foundations etc I don’t see it being any time soon because I don’t think we’ll get the same level of opportunity. As I said earlier in the thread, I think we’ll be fine next season, not sure how much more than that though.

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Good post. Sums our current position up well.

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This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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Problem for me is we always seem to be on the cusp at Hibs. I remember after 2016 a good few posters on here, myself included, felt the monkey was off our back and lots were saying we'll win another cup in the next 5 years.

Well here we are 5 years later and we haven't delivered another trophy. I think the club is going in the right direction overall but Scottish football rarely allows you to build - we could well lose 4, 5 or more first team players this summer and find ourselves playing a much improved Celtic and Aberdeen team, with Hearts also back in the league chucking benefactor money around.

I guess this just comes down to perspective. You see us at the start of something, I see us having missed a genuine once in a lifetime chance.

I'll guess we'll see who is right next season.

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Problem for me is we always seem to be on the cusp at Hibs. I remember after 2016 a good few posters on here, myself included, felt the monkey was off our back and lots were saying we'll win another cup in the next 5 years.

Well here we are 5 years later and we haven't delivered another trophy. I think the club is going in the right direction overall but Scottish football rarely allows you to build - we could well lose 4, 5 or more first team players this summer and find ourselves playing a much improved Celtic and Aberdeen team, with Hearts also back in the league chucking benefactor money around.

I guess this just comes down to perspective. You see us at the start of something, I see us having missed a genuine once in a lifetime chance.

I'll guess we'll see who is right next season.

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For all the talk of how we’re building something it could just as easily be argued that we’re at the end of our current cycle if we lose some players in the summer. With that in mind we’ll be in transition again and who knows what’ll come from there.

I think we’ll do very well to finish third next season if we lose 3 or 4 players this summer. As you said, with that in mind it all feels like a huge missed opportunity this season.

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This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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What makes you think the club are far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages.
We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff. We have good owners , you have said yourself that 2 Hampden performances against St Johnstone were disgraceful add a Hertz team just off furlough and you can see why questions are being asked of both the manager and the team.
Have a look at the season ticket thread especially at the beginning and you will see comments on style of play.
As well as questioning supporters mentality maybe we should question the mentality at the club because the Scottish Cup Final was probably the worst performance at Hampden I have seen. Compare the attitude between the 2021 team and 2016 team.
This season was certainly strange with no crowds but was probably our best chance with no the Old Firm anywhere near to make our mark .
Hopefully we will all be back at Easter Road next season cheering the team on.
I would be absolutely delighted if you are right about the last bit we could be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good

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For all the talk of how we’re building something it could just as easily be argued that we’re at the end of our current cycle if we lose some players in the summer. With that in mind we’ll be in transition again and who knows what’ll come from there.

I think we’ll do very well to finish third next season if we lose 3 or 4 players this summer. As you said, with that in mind it all feels like a huge missed opportunity this season.

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I almost think we will almost be in a constant state of transition due to the economics of the league and money on offer down south. It was interesting to see the number of players St Johnstone have signed recently who have done the Cup Double. What is their scouting team doing differently to ours?

I think we just have to accept the yearly cycle of rebuilding a team.

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I think this is the 4 millionth time I've asked:

CAN SOMEONE TELL US WHAT NOT ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY LOOKS LIKE?

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No one can tell you because no one knows, it’s become some weird buzzword that basically means “why aren’t you as angry as me?”

About 15 beers and a shared bottle of double korn helped me get over it on the Saturday night. There's still a twinge of disappointment now and again but I remind myself that we lost to a great cup side. Not recognising St Johnstone's Cup achievements this season does not only them but also Hibs a huge dishonour.

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No one can tell you because no one knows, it’s become some weird buzzword that basically means “why aren’t you as angry as me?”

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Nail on the head. :faf:

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No one can tell you because no one knows, it’s become some weird buzzword that basically means “why aren’t you as angry as me?”

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I'm yet to get an answer, but I will report back if I ever do.

But I'll keep trying.

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What games don’t matter?

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They all matter, obviously, but some matter more than others.

Also, some games you can turn in an average performance and come away with the win. Others, you have to be absolutely at it.

That SCF display from Hibs was way below what was needed.

Until we get players in who can perform on the big stage at hampden we won’t win anything.

Too many of our team crumbled at hampden again 3 times this season.

So we can argue all we like about improvement- yes we did if we take 3rd in the league. But we bottled our chances to win cups which is our target.

Until you get winners in and ship the losers out it will be deja vous.

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I think this is the 4 millionth time I've asked:

CAN SOMEONE TELL US WHAT NOT ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY LOOKS LIKE?

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Not a term I would use but suspect if people are not accepting mediocrity then they stop buying season tickets , stop buying walk up match tickets.
Seen it plenty time over the years when we have been mediocre or basically crap people stop going to games .
Plenty occasions people can't give away there season tickets when they can't make a game and virtually no walk ups with the old joke you pin your season ticket up on the notice board in the pub for someone to use and someone steals the pin.

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Not a term I would use but suspect if people are not accepting mediocrity then they stop buying season tickets , stop buying walk up match tickets.
Seen it plenty time over the years when we have been mediocre or basically crap people stop going to games .
Plenty occasions people can't give away there season tickets when they can't make a game and virtually no walk ups with the old joke you pin your season ticket up on the notice board in the pub for someone to use and someone steals the pin.

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I don’t think anybody will go that far right away to be fair.

I do think I know what the phrase means though, basically not just going to accept finishing 3rd as a great season when more could and should have been achieved.

I can’t really be arsed getting into the technicalities of what certain words mean, it’s pretty clear what they meant IMO, even if the wording could have been better.

FWIW anger isn’t the big threat to the club, people will calm down eventually, even if it’s taking longer than it should in many cases, including myself. IMO the big concern for the club should be anger turning to apathy.

I don’t care about this Hibs team, I don’t care about the manager really, if any of them left tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eye lid. I can not wait to get back to East Road next season though. I personally think the football was dreadful to watch for much of last season and no stats will convince me otherwise, if that continues next season I hope the novelty of getting back inside the ground doesn’t wear off quickly.

So for me, not accepting mediocrity or whatever it was that was said looks to me like slowly losing touch with the club and drifting away from it a bit. I dare say not accepting mediocrity will look different to every person which is maybe why it’s difficult for any one person to give a definitive answer that speaks for all of the people feeling that way.

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I don’t think anybody will go that far right away to be fair.

I do think I know what the phrase means though, basically not just going to accept finishing 3rd as a great season when more could and should have been achieved.

I can’t really be arsed getting into the technicalities of what certain words mean, it’s pretty clear what they meant IMO, even if the wording could have been better.

FWIW anger isn’t the big threat to the club, people will calm down eventually, even if it’s taking longer than it should in many cases, including myself. IMO the big concern for the club should be anger turning to apathy.

I don’t care about this Hibs team, I don’t care about the manager really, if any of them left tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eye lid. I can not wait to get back to East Road next season though. I personally think the football was dreadful to watch for much of last season and no stats will convince me otherwise, if that continues next season I hope the novelty of getting back inside the ground doesn’t wear off quickly.

So for me, not accepting mediocrity or whatever it was that was said looks to me like slowly losing touch with the club and drifting away from it a bit. I dare say not accepting mediocrity will look different to every person which is maybe why it’s difficult for any one person to give a definitive answer that speaks for all of the people feeling that way.

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Pretty long post for somebody who doesn't care Bingo.:hibees

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Pretty long post for somebody who doesn't care Bingo.:hibees

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Very true.

I still care about the club and as I say I’m looking forward to getting back into the stadium.

If it’s still as pish to watch when I’m back in the stadium I’ll maybe post less pish but I doubt it when the alternative is working.

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Very true.

I still care about the club and as I say I’m looking forward to getting back into the stadium.

If it’s still as pish to watch when I’m back in the stadium I’ll maybe post less pish but I doubt it when the alternative is working.

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I hear you. I just think it will be totally different with the punters back.

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I don’t think anybody will go that far right away to be fair.

I do think I know what the phrase means though, basically not just going to accept finishing 3rd as a great season when more could and should have been achieved.

I can’t really be arsed getting into the technicalities of what certain words mean, it’s pretty clear what they meant IMO, even if the wording could have been better.

FWIW anger isn’t the big threat to the club, people will calm down eventually, even if it’s taking longer than it should in many cases, including myself. IMO the big concern for the club should be anger turning to apathy.

I don’t care about this Hibs team, I don’t care about the manager really, if any of them left tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eye lid. I can not wait to get back to East Road next season though. I personally think the football was dreadful to watch for much of last season and no stats will convince me otherwise, if that continues next season I hope the novelty of getting back inside the ground doesn’t wear off quickly.

So for me, not accepting mediocrity or whatever it was that was said looks to me like slowly losing touch with the club and drifting away from it a bit. I dare say not accepting mediocrity will look different to every person which is maybe why it’s difficult for any one person to give a definitive answer that speaks for all of the people feeling that way.

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Brilliant post agree with everything

I would like to think not accepting mediocrity means kicking on with our new signings, winning a trophy and finishing in as high a League position as possible in the not too distant future

Playing fast exciting entertaining attacking football of course

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Just on that in the final you could imagine the huge lift the fans may have made on the players after the penalty save.

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The 15-16 Stubbs team was quite clearly a Top 4 Premier side stuck in the Championship. We beat every Premier side we faced. Granted it didn't get out the Championship but that side was everything we want in a Hibs team.

Attacking exciting fast paced football, wave after wave of attack.

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You’ll get slaughtered for this one, but FWIW I agree with you...

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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The extreme reactions are simply frustration at being so close and failing. It's the hope that kills.

The semifinal and final against St Johnstone are rare events - in the case of the Scottish Cup Final, probably a once in a generation event. Whenever Hibs have come close to success in the last 50 years, the vultures have been quick to circle and cherry pick our best players and manager, denying us the chance to build a sustained challenge. Just look at the speculation around Hibs players moving on and all we did was get 3rd place, without beating the OF or Hearts. We've all been here too often in the past, tantalisingly close to winning the Cup or building a good squad of players but ultimately winning nothing ! If Ron was a billionaire who had promised millions to making Hibs a success, then maybe we'd all see this season as a stepping stone to greater glory in years to come - but he's not. And it matters little how good an owner he is if at the end of the day, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts can steal or outbid us for decent players. So, as I say, the reaction is simply extreme disappointment among Hibs fans who have been around the block knowing that we've blown a huge chance that is unlikely to come our way again anytime soon.

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Until we get players in who can perform on the big stage at hampden we won’t win anything.

Too many of our team crumbled at hampden again 3 times this season.

So we can argue all we like about improvement- yes we did if we take 3rd in the league. But we bottled our chances to win cups which is our target.

Until you get winners in and ship the losers out it will be deja vous.

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Agree with that .... but we have a problem. The type of players you're talking about normally don't want to play for Hibs or stay for very long. They can get much better money elsewhere. The Hibs teams which have done well have been moments in time when a lot of things came together eg take Celtic loanee, Stokes out of the 2016 Cup Final and we're never winning that game. I agree, we need winners who aren't afraid of their own shadow at Hampden but sadly that's what we've got. The question is what Hibs/Jack Ross can do about it with the money that's available ?

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The extreme reactions are simply frustration at being so close and failing. It's the hope that kills.

The semifinal and final against St Johnstone are rare events - in the case of the Scottish Cup Final, probably a once in a generation event. Whenever Hibs have come close to success in the last 50 years, the vultures have been quick to circle and cherry pick our best players and manager, denying us the chance to build a sustained challenge. Just look at the speculation around Hibs players moving on and all we did was get 3rd place, without beating the OF or Hearts. We've all been here too often in the past, tantalisingly close to winning the Cup or building a good squad of players but ultimately winning nothing ! If Ron was a billionaire who had promised millions to making Hibs a success, then maybe we'd all see this season as a stepping stone to greater glory in years to come - but he's not. And it matters little how good an owner he is if at the end of the day, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts can steal or outbid us for decent players. So, as I say, the reaction is simply extreme disappointment among Hibs fans who have been around the block knowing that we've blown a huge chance that is unlikely to come our way again anytime soon.

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Excellent post. It was an outstanding opportunity to add silverware to the trophy cabinet. The managers tactics and performance from the players bar Macey was an absolute disgrace. If we had actually turned up against St Johnstone who are a hard grafting disciplined unit but not exactly world beaters and we had actually tried a lick but still been beaten there'd be no argument from me and I suspect likewise from the vast majority of the support. It was the manner of the defeat that still rankles over a week later. You couldn't have summed it up any better that it was a 'huge chance blown'.

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First half of the league cup semi final we were decent and if we’d taken our chances would have been comfortably ahead. But we didn’t and the rest is history.

It'll be great when club shakes the "Hibsed it" garbage and other clear media vendettas. That and win more derbies to begin with, followed by cups.

I'm thankful I still get angry when Hibs lose a match as, for me, the alternative is apathy, as others have mentioned. Again, this is for me, but I've endured watching Hibs fail over and over again. If I don't get angry about the failure, even for a brief time, I think I'd pack it in as I think I'd no longer care.

Ive seen it with relatives, big Hibs fans who have followed for 40-50 years and now see no reason to ever go back to ER. "Seen it all before" is a common saying among the Hibs fans I know.

Flattering to achieve only to fall at the latter stages takes a lot out of the fans through the years. This and being easy target for media mocking.

Win more football matches is only way to fix this. Our derby record needs a lot of work. Added to Europe every season and we're on to a winner.

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At what point do we get over it and move on ? Surely we need to start looking forward to next season

The Scottish cup result was shocking to put mildly, however the constant barrage of abuse the club gets when ever it puts anything online is now OTT. If we had got knocked out in the quarters then no one would be even talking about it now

I have no doubt the players, manager know they let’s us down but isn’t it about time we get over it and move on ? The abuse, comments is helping no one

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I'm already over it. St Johnstone made history in that final and their double winning squad and manager deserve the status of legends they earned last season. On the other hand, as a Hibs fan what I witnessed was such a tepid attempt to win a final it was barely worth getting angry about, so I haven't .... it was so pathetic it's almost like it never happened and the fact it was against a club none of us can even really say we hate it didn't hurt like it could have.

Never mind abusing the team on line or whatever, I can't think of a bigger insult than being so underwhelmed by their efforts on the day that I can't even be arsed to get angry about it.

We move on in the sure and certain knowledge that none of these players can ever go into a final again and put up such a pathetic effort. As for the bounce affect winning it could have given us .... I guarantee you signing Leigh Griffiths would add far more to our ST uptake.

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It'll be great when club shakes the "Hibsed it" garbage and other clear media vendettas. That and win more derbies to begin with, followed by cups.

I'm thankful I still get angry when Hibs lose a match as, for me, the alternative is apathy, as others have mentioned. Again, this is for me, but I've endured watching Hibs fail over and over again. If I don't get angry about the failure, even for a brief time, I think I'd pack it in as I think I'd no longer care.

Ive seen it with relatives, big Hibs fans who have followed for 40-50 years and now see no reason to ever go back to ER. "Seen it all before" is a common saying among the Hibs fans I know.

Flattering to achieve only to fall at the latter stages takes a lot out of the fans through the years. This and being easy target for media mocking.

Win more football matches is only way to fix this. Our derby record needs a lot of work. Added to Europe every season and we're on to a winner.

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'Hibsed it' was unambiguously ended in 2016. Nothing else.

Hertzed it is now nearly 60 years since last winning the League Cup despite money laundering a Russian tycoons ill gotten gains and plundering the Lithuanian nations pension funds. A despicable record of failure from the Yams.

Ross got his tactics all wrong and the players looked as if they were playing in quicksand on Gullane beach.

A very bad day at the office but Hibs are of course for a lifetime of joy and torture not just for a one off final.

Mon the Cabbage.

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Don't get over it...get even with it! It's going to be a tough season coming up for JR and the boys with expectations lifted...:hibees

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I guess this just comes down to perspective. You see us at the start of something, I see us having missed a genuine once in a lifetime chance.

I'll guess we'll see who is right next season.

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I made it quite clear I also felt that we’d missed an opportunity we should have taken so not sure why you’re saying that.

I’m as gutted as anyone else - I bet there’s nobody more gutted. Just because I’m not throwing a tantrum demanding everyone gets sacked doesn’t mean my ‘perspective’ on what happened at Hampden is any different to yours.

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'Hibsed it' was unambiguously ended in 2016. Nothing else.

Hertzed it is now nearly 60 years since last winning the League Cup despite money laundering a Russian tycoons ill gotten gains and plundering the Lithuanian nations pension funds. A despicable record of failure from the Yams.

Ross got his tactics all wrong and the players looked as if they were playing in quicksand on Gullane beach.

A very bad day at the office but Hibs are of course for a lifetime of joy and torture not just for a one off final.

Mon the Cabbage.

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‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.

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How on earth does what happened 10 years ago have more bearing on games in the present than what happened this season?

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‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.

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Unfortunately this is true.

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‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.

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How on earth could something which is little more than poor banter hurt anyone? Surely most of us do laugh it off while giving out similar to others.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

You can’t expect instant success because of the big two, but equally it’s very, very rare that you’ll get such an opportunity to achieve success because of the big two. Will be a long, long time before they’re both out of both tournaments before we even get as far as Hampden.

Another team have taken that opportunity, at our expense, twice. I’m just really toiling to share the positivity about what we’re going to build on the back of this season. We’ll win something again at some point in the future but for all the talk of building, having good foundations etc I don’t see it being any time soon because I don’t think we’ll get the same level of opportunity. As I said earlier in the thread, I think we’ll be fine next season, not sure how much more than that though.

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I’m not in the mood to hear platitudes from Jack about how proud he is of the boys and how we did a good league campaign.

We had huge opportunities to win trophies and we blew them all.

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I made it quite clear I also felt that we’d missed an opportunity we should have taken so not sure why you’re saying that.

I’m as gutted as anyone else - I bet there’s nobody more gutted. Just because I’m not throwing a tantrum demanding everyone gets sacked doesn’t mean my ‘perspective’ on what happened at Hampden is any different to yours.

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Not sure why you left out the rest of my post given that was the majority of my point? I guess the difference from my reading your post is you feel we will continue on an upward trajectory, whereas I'm yet to be convinced that's the case. I've not followed Hibs as long as some on here but my dad has been supporting them for 50+ years and as another poster alluded to a bit earlier, mentioned to me that this was about the 20th "we're on the verge of success" that he's seen.

If anything, history shows its much more likely we'll see the first team dismantled and have to rebuild again. Personally I just can't let go of last season just yet and look to next year with the same optimism.

In terms of your last comment not sure if that's a dig or not as I don't think I've "thrown a tantrum" at any point, and don't want Ross sacked. I've just lost confidence in him and don't look forward to next season as things stand. I think he deserves a chance but also don't believe he will deliver us a trophy.

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How on earth could something which is little more than poor banter hurt anyone? Surely most of us do laugh it off while giving out similar to others.

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As clearly pointed out, it hurts because there's truth in it. Eight Hampden appearances since the cup win and one victory? That is a poor record by any standard, especially as only three of the games were against the Old Firm. We've lost to Hearts Aberdeen, St Johnstone (twice) and beaten Dundee Utd.

As for the not accepting mediocrity banter, which was ridiculed. One way fans show their disapproval/approval of the direction the team is going in is via season ticket sales. For a range of reasons, including our cup capitulations, I fear our sales will be down several thousand from last season. Win that cup and the mood would have been buoyant. I'm in that boat exactly myself. As it stands so are a few of my former season ticket holding buddies.

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‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.

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I don't have to laugh it off. It no longer resonates for me after 2016. That was the big huge massive proverbial monkey off the back.

For goodness sake anyone using the now defunct hibsed it only has to be reminded that we lifted the cup in what was a glorious victory and reminded of Brora Rangers, the penalties v Celtic, being relegated in the most shambolic way when a draw at St Mirren would have sufficed and of course 60 years without lifting the League Cup.

2016 destroyed hibsed it and it now means absolutely zilch in my opinion.

Being beaten by St Johnstone was down to poor management of tactics and player performances. Hibsed it no longer resonates with me after 2016, I'm surprised at others who continue to think its somehow still a thing.

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I don't have to laugh it off. It no longer resonates for me after 2016. That was the big huge massive proverbial monkey off the back.

For goodness sake anyone using the now defunct hibsed it only has to be reminded that we lifted the cup in what was a glorious victory and reminded of Brora Rangers, the penalties v Celtic, being relegated in the most shambolic way when a draw at St Mirren would have sufficed and of course 60 years without lifting the League Cup.

2016 destroyed hibsed it and it now means absolutely zilch in my opinion.

Being beaten by St Johnstone was down to poor management of tactics and player performances. Hibsed it no longer resonates with me after 2016, I'm surprised at others who continue to think its somehow still a thing.

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Beautifully put. Almost poetic.

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How on earth could something which is little more than poor banter hurt anyone? Surely most of us do laugh it off while giving out similar to others.

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We have fans who perpetuate the Hibsd it stuff - we’ve had folk on here citing examples of how “Hearts wouldn’t have lost that one” despite there being examples of exactly that readily available.

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We have fans who perpetuate the Hibsd it stuff - we’ve had folk on here citing examples of how “Hearts wouldn’t have lost that one” despite there being examples of exactly that readily available.

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If Hibs and Hearts seasons were reversed then you could maybe say that we'd Hibsed it. Bottling penalties against a Celitc side in free fall. Knocked out the Scottish cup by part time Brora Rangers who'd only trained for a week after three months off, knocked out the other cup by part time Alloa Athletic, repeatedly losing to the likes of Queen of the South and Raith Rovers etc. If finishing 3rd, just missing our record points total, qualifying for Europe, a semi final and a final is Hibsing it then i hope we Hibs it every season.

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If Hibs and Hearts seasons were reversed then you could maybe say that we'd Hibsed it. Bottling penalties against a Celitc side in free fall. Knocked out the Scottish cup by part time Brora Rangers who'd only trained for a week after three months off, knocked out the other cup by part time Alloa Athletic, repeatedly losing to the likes of Queen of the South and Raith Rovers etc. If finishing 3rd, just missing our record points total, qualifying for Europe, a semi final and a final is Hibsing it then i hope we Hibs it every season.

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Constantly repeating the fact that we finished third in the league isn’t going to persuade me that it’s ok we failed to bring home a trophy this season.

Competing for domestic silverware is literally the entire point. We came up short.

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Constantly repeating the fact that we finished third in the league isn’t going to persuade me that it’s ok we failed to bring home a trophy this season.

Competing for domestic silverware is literally the entire point. We came up short.

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It shouldn't be ignored either though. We've won trophies more often than we've finished 3rd over the last 40 years so it's an achievement. We lost a final against a team that has our number. Similar to Chelsea and Man City. They finished further ahead of Chelsea than we did St Johnstone and still continually lose to them, even in a final. It happens.

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It shouldn't be ignored either though. We've won trophies more times than we've finished 3rd over the last 40 years so it's an achievement. We lost a final against a team that has our number. Similar to Chelsea and Man City. They finished further ahead of Chelsea than we did St Johnstone and comtinuly lose to them, even in a final. It happens.

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Yes, obviously it happens. It happens far too often.

I’m not blind to the fact that our league campaign was helped enormously by an absence of Hearts and Aberdeen basically chucking it.

The best result of the season was probably that stuffy 1-0 win v the Dons to get third place in the bag. This is hardly vintage stuff.

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Yes, obviously it happens. It happens far too often.

I’m not blind to the fact that our league campaign was helped enormously by an absence of Hearts and Aberdeen basically chucking it.

The best result of the season was probably that stuffy 1-0 win v the Dons to get third place in the bag. This is hardly vintage stuff.

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Hearts haven't been near us in the league for years so don't think them not being there made any difference

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Hearts haven't been near us in the league for years so don't think them not being there made any difference

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It would because they would have almost certainly taken more points off us.

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Hearts haven't been near us in the league for years so don't think them not being there made any difference

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Apart from the fact that most seasons they routinely take more points from us than we do for them, they are an irrelevance.

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Yes, obviously it happens. It happens far too often.

I’m not blind to the fact that our league campaign was helped enormously by an absence of Hearts and Aberdeen basically chucking it.

The best result of the season was probably that stuffy 1-0 win v the Dons to get third place in the bag. This is hardly vintage stuff.

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If only we actually earned our finishing position last season instead of it being everybody else's fault.