Haven’t seen enough of him to make a decision
Loves that he comes and claims crosses, but not as good a shot stopper as Rocky
It’s really awful having to assess players on TV
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Haven’t seen enough of him to make a decision
Loves that he comes and claims crosses, but not as good a shot stopper as Rocky
It’s really awful having to assess players on TV
Meslier doing a great job in showing why it’s not beneficial to try and charge out nearly every cross that’s outside your 6 yard box. Lucky not to give away simple goals instead of making teams work for them.
I’m not sure we’ve seen enough yet to judge whether or not he is a better shot stopper than Rocky tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Was that you standing behind the goal on Sunday with your scarf tied to the fence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
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Originally Posted by hibee-boys
Thought he was a left back?
Seconded - he has done nothing wrong and has in fact put in good performances whenever called upon. He looks a good shot stopper, has commanded his area well and has shown great distribution - one area where in fact he's looked stronger than Rocky.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibee-boys
As long as he's happy on Hibs money I'd say it's a no brainer.
Apparently he's starting against against Motherwell and any subsequent cup games. Sounds like there's a good chance we'll have him for next season. Happy enough with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bangkok Hibby
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...rsenal-3206343
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Originally Posted by 007
‘Talking about a new deal.’ Sounds positive.
Also good to see that players coming from an environment like Arsenal are impressed at what we have to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
He’s probably just delighted to be away from Artetas joyless yamfuddery. Not sure the environment at Arsenal is much to shout about these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
But they've got the Super League to look forward to. 🙃Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Also complete civil war between Leno and the new Spanish keeper coach. Leno surprisingly preferred the old Gk coach called Woodman, a British guy who worked across age groups including the u9s but Leno thought he improved his game, Leno complains about the newly appointed coach in the press, Arteta responded by sacking Woodman and continuing with the Spanish dude, in a GIRUY to Leno.
Macey probably has to tales to tell about the training regime.
Leno has been good since Arteta joined so doubt there is really much issue. Civil war is a bit much.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I agree Leno has been playing well, but that’s not my point. Keepers don’t normally call for the head of their coach publicly. Something is very wrong in the Arsenal GK dept.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Never in a million years is this guy a replacement for Marciano.
Bad choice by the manager.He must shoulder the blame
How far across his line was he for both goals? Ridiculous
I don’t blame the keeper for any of the two goals. Poor defending cost us. Boyle not challenging and Hanlon I think it was not putting a challenge in. Both have played well in the game but sadly lacking in those vital moments. That’s football I suppose 🙄
Don’t think we lose either with Rocky. Positioning would have been better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
This is why he will be tricky to replace. He just doesn’t make many mistakes, including positioning.
I disagree. If we put any kind of challenge in, they don’t score.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Please don’t talk about Rocky & mistakes! You could make a DVD of his errors.
listen, Rocky is a fantastic shot stopper but I reckon the reason he’s not had that big money move is because nobody really fancy him. He’s kidding himself on if he walks away from Hibs!
Rocky’s mistakes have been absolutely minimal in his time here so that is just nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
Go on then, make a video of his mistakes. It won't be long. Quality keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
Macey to save 2 penalties.
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Originally Posted by Andy74
Is it aye? lol
It is. Marciano has barely made any glaring errors and he’s been here about 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
He’s made plenty. Mostly from poor concentration or from trying to be too clever. However I will concede he’s top drawer at shot stopping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
You'll be able to list 10 or 15 no problem thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
1 that springs to mind when he came charging out the box and got himself sent off . He had a lot of credit in the bank thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Sorry but Marciano has to be in goal for the semi.
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Which is largely the only one I can think of. I’m sure there’s a few more but not many over his time here.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Marciano wasn't playing, this is a thread aout Macey.
Sensational amount of ***** you’re talking here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
Not sure Macey can be blamed for either of the goals, but the defence and him didn't look very comfortable tonight
Nearly right. His 6'7" frame was enough to cause them to go high and wide. 🙃Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
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Originally Posted by bingo70
Nae bother! Take it you disagree then ? lol 😂
Are people REALLY suggesting that Macey was really at fault today?
Honestly - enjoy the win, we move on as a team.
Watching the goals again, i dont think he could have saved either, although he did look a little hesitant a couple of times.
Not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
He wouldn't have got to the 1st even had he dived and the second was 100% down to the defenders.
Although Macey didn’t directly save any penalties, still felt a bit more confident with him in goal for the shootout than Marciano
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Yes 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
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Originally Posted by green day
Aye, I think they really are.
nobody mentioning the lack of any kind of challenge for the two headed goals though.
People are stupid.
ha ha I have had a few beers right enough and have been known for slavering pish but I stand behind every bit of pish I’ve slavered on this thread 🤣🤣🤣👍💚Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Only one of the goals was headed FYI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
Yes, it’s really common for top keepers to be seen running after balls going looping into the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
People who can see he got that wrong are clearly the stupid ones.
Rocky had a howler at home to Hamilton, one at home to Rangers too - both the first season back up.
Aside from that, it's only really things he might have dealt with better rather than outright blunders. He was dropped for Maxwell for a decent spell of time as well.
There's not been too many Andy, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
The worst one for me was the first goal in a 3-0 defeat in December 2019 against Rangers. Casually passed to the opponent who duly despatched it.
Rocky back for semi. I think we can be certain of that.
Don’t think so...think Ross has promised Macey that he will play all the cup tiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Look Marciano is I'm pretty sure a better keeper but it's the old story you're a much better player when you're not playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Rocky has like most keepers made plenty of errors. Aberdeen's 2nd goal in the 2017 cup semi and Rangers 1st goal early on at Easter Road December 2019 spring to mind.
I think we're being a bit harsh blaming the keeper for tonight's 2 goals
I said before th Stranraer game that I was wary about playing Macey in the cup games. Precicesly for this reason. It now leaves us with a decision to make before the semi final and it also gives rise to a situation like this where hypothetical 'if Marciano was playing' scenarios get put forward. I know other clubs do it but I think it's best left for the group stages of the LC. In the latter stages of either cup, you play your strongest team. We aren't Man Utd, we don't have a world class keeper warming te bench.
On the subject of today. I always assess goals and say would I be happy to take the blame if I conceded that? The 1st one? Definitely. I think he anticipated a touch that never came and then was unable to react. He'll be disappointed. The 2nd? I'm not so sure. The cross was a tricky one to come for, it's one if he comes and takes it you say great, if he gets caught underneath it then he's in trouble. It's a good header from close range. He's maybe a step too far over but he's always going to defend that near post. A keeper maybe saves that 5 times out of 10 and it's hailed a great save when he does.
More generally today was the 1st time I've been really unconvinced by him. He looked quite nervy throughout and hesitated on a couple of occasions.
Its the business end of the season, Jack must play who he considers to be the best keeper. No room for sentiment or that Macey or whoever has played in previous rounds. We now pa our strongest team. personally I think thats Rocky in goal but will leave it to Jacks judgement, he's the man.
Yep, it’s painfully obvious. Macey not at fault for either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
I’m the opposite with the two goals. The first one IMO he can’t react as he needs to wait for a touch, horrendous for a keeper. The second he was right not to come, it landed around 10 yards from goal, with 3 players in between, issue being is he ended up at least a yard too far over, pretty tame header but couldn’t react.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Any comparison with Rocky is not really relevant. They have different strengths and are at different stages of their career. It appears as the loan period goes on that enough of him has been seen to look at a contract being discussed. He made a vital save from Cole in first half which should not be forgotten. I also think because of his size and wide reach with his arms and hands he is an imposing figure between the posts at penalties putting that little bit extra pressure on opponents.
If Ross is intending signing Macey as 1st choice next season, he’ll have to play him in the semi final
Second came from a cracking pin-point cross from O'Donnell and I would have expected far better marking on Watt - free header in the 6 yard box :rolleyes:- I don't blame Macey at all for the goals tonight. Defending was poor for both.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Macey was not at fault for either goal and to say otherwise is a bit ridiculous really. He's pulled off another vital save and was solid enough as far as I'm concerned
It was well outside the 6 yard box, but it was just a big up and under, wasn’t a great cross, and was a tame header yards inside the post, Macey just got his positioning wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
I like him. A big club like Arsenal wouldn’t have him on the books if he was poor, hopefully he will be part of history by the end of May.
Makalamby was at Chelsea. The Portuguese keeper hearts had last year is at Man Utd. It means nothing. Not seen enough of Macey to make any determination thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
That’s fair enough, I think he has a bit about him but once he plays regular football I think we can make a better judgement. For Ross to trust him in the Scottish Cup ahead of Rocky shows that he will probably be our future keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdawg
Hopefully ends up with a a winners medal to follow up on his winners medal last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
If you blame Macey for those goal just give up on the football.
Still think he should have came and punched away the 2ndQuote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
The first he looks horrendous but would need to see it again
Both were quite twne efforts at goal that didn't exactly shave the post in the way in
He looked dodgy at a header that was very similar to the first goal we lost too - his positioning looked suspect to me
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Goals against are not always someones fault but when he looks back and sees how far off centre he was with both goals he will be disappointed. The second he made the right decision that he would not get there but left too much of a target for Watt, who again caused us loads of problems.
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This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
If you don't blame him, watch his positioning when the Motherwell player makes contact with their strikes for both goals. For both goals he's clearly far too close to the back post leaving him too much distance to cover to get back and make a routine save.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
If Rocky had started we'd have won that game in 90 minutes without a doubt and we'd have Gogic for the semi.
If nothing else that late scare showed we shouldn't be giving backup players 'a chance' in the Scottish Cup.
Not buying any of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Franck
The first is a total shank that somehow loops into the far corner...no keeper would be covering that eventuality.
The second was a huge looping cross that the defence had to deal with...he has to cover the post and area closest to the attacker as otherwise Watt just heads it straight in the near post. It was a great header, well placed under zero pressure.
Just not getting how anyone can blame the keeper for either of them or somehow be certain Rocky would have done anything different.
‘Well placed’ 2/3 yards inside the post, going back across the goal which means it should be even easier to get close to. His positioning was way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
I think there is a huge grey area between 'howler' and 'never the keepers fault'.
Neither goal conceded was close to a howler. I think both will see Macey and Samson watching the footage closely together and analysing what he could have done better though.
I'd say the same about one of the goals we conceded at Ibrox the other week. It wasn't a howler by Marciano but he'll have analysed what he could have done better with the initial shot and whether he could have done more to get the ball out of the danger area.
Of course on all occasions they could conclude the goalkeeper did everything right. Most keepers are their own biggest critics though, albeit the best can compartmentalise their mistakes, and I have a nagging suspicion that Macey will be a wee bit disappointed tonight.
Macey getting stick has me shaking my head in bafflement :rolleyes: no way could he be faulted for either goal - utterly bizarre anyone would think that. The defending was criminal given the amount of players we had back yet left both scorers unmarked and wrong side.
I disagree with virtually everything you just said..Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Franck
You’re in no position to make calls like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
This does my head in. It’s the usual using hindsight to blame keepers whatever they do. He’s only ‘clearly’ too close to the back post in your post because of where the ball ended up. If the ball has a different trajectory from the strikers body it’s suddenly great positioning :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Big_Franck
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
Easier to get close to? There is reason players are told to head it back across goal...that it’s difficult for the keeper to get to because he has to cover the near post and centre of the goal or he’s gifting it!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
The fault for the second is all down to allowing the cross and the awful cover. As I said it was a great header that was perfect slotted into the space that is inevitably left by the keeper needing to cover the side of the goal closest to the attacker.
Could he have done better? Well maybe at a push but I don’t think many, if any, keepers are saving that.
It was a cross with zero pace, a header with zero pace. It wasn’t a tight angle (at which point I’d expect the keeper to cover his near post), his angles were all completely wrong. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t fault elsewhere, but 8 times out of 10 a keeper would save that second goal. He’s in the wrong position and flat footed, meaning he can’t even make a meaningful effort to save it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Thank **** we are debating the pros and cons of a really decent keeper after a win and not back to the days of Zibi, Brown, Maka, Smith and Stack after a horrific defeat when the keepers were genuinely at fault :faf:
To me, you’re just highlighting most fans inability to differentiate between an obvious howler and a professional keeper that gets their positioning/footwork wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
A good keeper wouldn’t have lost the goals he did today, even if they weren’t obvious howlers.
What worries me is the pitchfork brigade seem to already have a bone to pick with a keeper who has literally done **** all wrong in any game yet and made some very decent saves, including today :faf: actually not funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
I think we go in depth on our goalies - like the years of trauma we had to suffer cause us to analyse every goal in detail starting with the goalie done wrong and working backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Having said that Marciano seems to get off Scot free at times.
The goalkeeper’s union on here at each other’s throats
Some on here were defending Macey at Darkheid and now they want to hang him out to dry
Dearie me !
The most important thing is we are in the next round
GGTTH
Bollah, seriously, I'm sitting with my glass of malbec in utter bemusement at the threads about Matt Macey - some have very very very poor memories of what we've seen before. And from what I've seen of him, he's been very very good. That's opinions though.........we all have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Well I’m on the sauv blanc so I’ll raise one to you because I agree completely :greengrin. I think psychologically folk want individuals to blame increasingly year on year, often keepers, probably frustration about Covid etc and not being able to attend in person doesn’t help.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
I’m not sure about him.
The first goal floated in but I’m not sure he could have done much. The second one he started to come, went back, then couldn’t do anything as a result.
Don’t think he’s the same class as Rocky. Rocky must play in the semi for me.
That list of names is truly minging seemed like we had a goalkeeper error in about 10 derbies back thenQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
I'm comfortable with either being selected for the semi BHFC...........both are really good keepers. I'm just not seeing the 'errors' in Macey that others are - he's been really solid in the games he's played, made saves, not had howlers, and been part of winning sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
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Originally Posted by Hiberniankb
I remember bumping into Eddie Turnbull and when I asked him about Maka he said 'if it were me I'd have put Riordan in goals' :greengrin
I did not watch the game live tonight but followed the updates on hibs.net. I had assumed from the comments on the match thread that Macey was at fault with both goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Having now watched the highlights I cannot see how he's at fault with either goal. I agree 100% with your summary of each goal.
The first was a fluke and the 2nd was very poor defending.
Hard to judge him either way for me. Not sure he’s really bad, yet to see he’s really good. As I say, I thought he caused a bit of indecision at the equaliser.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
And meQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I think his positioning for the second goal was suspect apart from that he didn't do much wrong. I like his distribution as he tries to play it out from the back more than Rocky. As said by someone else Macey or Rocky both good keepers.
I didn’t think he was at fault for either goal, made a great save with his feet to deny a certain goal, comfortable on cross balls.......he gets my vote.
Must be amazing being a qualified coach, especially a goalkeeping coach as there aren't many, you must get loads of job offers with your knowledgeQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I'm comfortable with him. He has been a spectator for most if the other rounds yet made good saves when called upon. Sign of good focus. His save yesterday with his foot was at a crucial time. And he would have saved the pen that hit the post if it had been on target.
Courteous, Ter Stegen, Oblak, Neuer - they all make mistakes.
Macey has never let us down. Personally I felt more confident with Macey in goals yesterday, especially when the game went to penalties.
I’m not sure that argument works as I’ve got my goalkeeping badges and didn’t think he was at fault for either. First one is just a fluke, and 2nd is poor defending. Still obviously prefer Rocky, but Macey is a good enough back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovethehibs
It surely does work then, you are a qualified goalkeeping coach and didn't think he was at faultQuote:
Originally Posted by duffers
This place is crazy at times, Macey does absolutely nothing wrong in any of his games and helps us to a penalty shootout win and folk start having a. Marciano chucks one in at Ibrox recently and hardly anyone says a thing. Macey is a very good keeper and will do for me.