Correct. Normally a fan(atic) would support the team. Strange one this.Quote:
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Correct. Normally a fan(atic) would support the team. Strange one this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Ooh, a negative and derisory post. Unlike you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
are their any quotes from Scott Allan
He's not our best player right now though. Far from it. This isn't the Scott Allan of old. He's been through a life changing ordeal. He asked for the move because he knows he can't deliver at this level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Wanting to keep one of, if not the, most talented players isn’t supporting the team ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
He’s not one of our best players at this moment in time, due to a huge lack of match fitness he’s miles down the pecking order to play. This loan will resolve that issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Unless I hear Scott Allan say that, I don’t believe it for a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
He asked for the move because he wanted to play, simple as that. We aren’t giving him games, the only option open to him his a loan to a lower league team at the moment.
We are keeping him?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Putting an unfit player in the team and not supporting him through recovery from a serious illness wouldn’t be a good thing though. Doubting the manager and inferring he’s lying or the club is lying is a strange thing for a fanatic to do based on no evidence.
Not seen any but I could take a guess at “Buzzing”. “Can’t wait to get started”. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Stokes, Ambrose, Commons to Hibs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
Not sure how questioning a decision to let our best player go on loan at a critical point in the season is negative and derisory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
It makes no sense that we won't have our best player available in upcoming big games and the Scottish Cup.
“Train ticket to Inverness please”Quote:
Originally Posted by Heckys Wheel
Right now he’s not our best player. He’s miles short of match fitness as he’s not played in months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
It’s something a six year old could understand, unless they were desperate for attention and a whine.
Not sure why that's relevant in regards to my point about not knowing an occasion when a player if his age and experience goes away to another team to get back into another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
You'd think we'd just loaned Martin Boyle out and not a player who almost had to retire through a medical condition and who has not long returned to the squad. It wasn't a torn hamstring he had. Very sensible decision by Scott Allan and the club.
Good point. I don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
If its baffling you, read the statement -Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Manager Jack Ross said, "We would have preferred to have kept Scott in the group but he expressed a strong desire to go out on loan. Currently, and understandably given the challenges he has faced during the past year he doesn’t feel fit enough to make the impact that his abilities should in the top part of the Premiership. Therefore Scott feels that strengthening his fitness and continuing his recovery in the Championship is a sensible option. We feel that it was appropriate to continue to support Scott in his recovery by sanctioning the loan move."
Sounds like a competent decision with the players best interests at the heart of it..............
Not for the remainder of this season we are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
So are Inverness not going to play him then ?
All managers lie, it wouldn’t be the first time Ross has. He likes to keep players onside, I get it, but I don’t believe him when he said he wanted to keep him as part of the group. He said the same about Mallan, he said he didn’t want to sell Shaw.
:agree: my 10 year old understands it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Seems an incredibly odd think to lie aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
None of them returned to the parent club though.which is what people are saying is going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I don’t necessarily think so. When he joined former players said it was a strength of Ross’ that he made players who were out of the picture feel involved and wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Stokes did, he then moved on to Blackburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
None of them were key players before a serious heart condition either. Allan will be back. He was key for Ross before injury and started games this season too.
It’s obvious that Ross doesn’t think he can contribute at the moment or he would have been putting him on the pitch. He’s been quite clever in avoiding saying that publicly though. Managers do it all the time, as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Can he come back and play in the cup final?
Good move for Scott great idea to get fit, would’ve liked him to go to Dundee with mcpake Cummings and Adam instead
We don’t know that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
We saw nothing of Darren McGregor then he came in and looked every bit as good as he did before.
Scott Allan set up a decent chance for Nisbet against Motherwell and showed nice touches at Hampden - both horrible team performances to come on into.
Truth is, none of us really knows much so will read what we will into it all. I rate Scott Allan highly and whilst I can certainly understand the appeal for him to go out on loan, you can bet your bottom dollar that when we’re knocked out the Scottish cup and the inevitable meltdown ensues that his is one of the first names to be mentioned as having potentially had the ability to improve our fortunes.
Not if he’s cup tied on Friday v Ross CountyQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibeys
Also Premiership play offs run until after the Cup final, if Inverness were to get that far
I do get that, and the manager thinks I can't start with Allen with important games coming up, but what happens when he rocks up to Inverness on Monday for training and McCann and coaching staff have a look at SA and go no chance of him starting games for us and by the time he gets up and running the season will be over, surely McCann hasn't guaranteed he will start with SA, that would be madness and might not go down to well in the ICT dressing room or Allens body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
We could get a point of the stickies and St Js beat the Dons next week and 3rd spot is ours, another win for us after that and we could start SA in games for us to get him match time until end of season, I'm getting the feeling that SA is down the pecking order and knows he has no chance of any game time at Hibs and even if he is getting 20-30 minutes at ICT is better than nothing as that's what players want to do, play football and not sit on the bench knowing you have no chance of getting on.
Some of the comments on here are crazy
We’re not talking about pre this season Scott Allan here. Surely he’s better getting 70 mins or so most weeks just now than 20 mins max with us. Let’s focus on getting Scott back ready for next season, something which didn’t look possible just a few months ago.
We’ve managed pretty well without him this season. Having him back fully next season will be a great boost
I hope you're right. But I don't think he'll be backQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
today ICT V Arbroath
6th April Morton v ICT
10th April QofS v ICT
17th April ICT v Dundee
24th April Sparryheids v ICT
30th April ICT v Ayr
thine shall be keeping a half of one eye on reports on these games
He has a year on his deal. He will be back. If he finds his form and fitness, he'll walk into the side. If he doesn't he may leave. This loan confirms nothing either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
Friday 2nd Ross County v Inverness in the Cup, on BBCQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
:aok: we'll see if he's risked so soon in a heilan derby
be interesting how long he gets today, surely won't start
If he doesn't come back, it'll be because he's either not been able to regain his fitness or because someone's paid us a lot of money for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
I don't really see what difference there would be regarding his future, if he was kept on the bench at Hibs. IMO, there would be even less chance of him appearing for us next season because his match fitness would be 2 months poorer.
Anyway, I think it's a good move for all involved as does the manager and the player.
Some folk disagree with us all and that's fine. Opinions never change on the forums so not sure there's anything more to add.
Disagree. But hey ho. Good luck to him whatever happens. My fav Hibs player (Well, equal with Michael ONeill!)Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Some under nonsense posted today, the player has asked to go on loan to get games, if we had nothing to play for just now he might have got that at Hibs but while we are still chasing 3rd place then we can't afford to change things about that much just to give SA game time. Hopefully he gets himself match fit again and comes back ready to play at the top level again next season
A good move for Scott and us IMO. Don’t care what club he’s at and I’m sure Scott and Hibs looked at who he’s likely to go play for the most.
He has 6 games to play there not just to get fitter for pre season but also to get sharper. I think on every level this is a good move.
You don’t speak for me. Perfectly happy with this arrangement. To make the same assumptions you have, I suspect most fans can understand and rationalise the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
We’ve got ourselves in to third place without Scott Allan. If he himself doesn’t feel like he’s ready to play in our remaining top six games and thinks a loan move to a lesser league will help him who are we to argue?
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
You’d have to have some seriously warped logic to take that statement and consider it an incompetent decision.
Scott hasn’t impacted a single game that he’s come on in, since returning to the team. If he needs games it needs to be somewhere where every point is vital to the season’s ambitions, or where his current level can have an impact.
The idea that Jack Ross can’t/won’t/doesn’t accommodate flair/attacking players expressed earlier in the thread doesn’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny either, it’s absolute bollocks.
Sensible move for all concerned. Here’s hoping he finds the fitness and form he needs.
Why do you disagree, though? is it actually based on anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
It’s crazy. Some ridiculous conspiracy theories on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
Yes, it's based on my opinion that Allan playing 5 games at another club isn't going to translate to him walking back into this hibs team.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Again, hope I'm wrong but that's what I think.
So, it's a hunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
Aye...it's all just hunches and made up *****. Isn't that why were here!!? 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
No, but its going to help him get playing games again. Could be 11 games with playoffs and more with cup ties. That is a huge difference for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
Hope he does well up there, however I fear his days in the top flight may be numbered. I hope I am wrong though.
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Agree playing games will help him. But, in my view, all signs are that he's away for good. Including if you read Ross' statement closely.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Aaron Ramsey is a good example of a player who was loaned out to a lower level to get games after a bad injury. Doesn't happen often but very, very little to suggest Allan isn't coming back for pre season.
What signs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
Which part of the statement points to him being away for good?
"We would have preferred to have kept Scott in the group but he expressed a strong desire to go out on loan. Currently, and understandably given the challenges he has faced during the past year he doesn’t feel fit enough to make the impact that his abilities should in the top part of the Premiership. Therefore Scott feels that strengthening his fitness and continuing his recovery in the Championship is a sensible option. We feel that it was appropriate to continue to support Scott in his recovery by sanctioning the loan move."
If he leaves, it'll because he's not regained his fitness and he's no longer good enough. That will happen one day. It may already have, but the hope is that he'll return.
You're being pessimistic for no reason.
I reckon Scott will be gone in the summer, I dont think Ross rates him
Is he limited to 5 games with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
They’ve got 6 in the league plus 1 guaranteed cup game and a potential for 6 play off matches. Strange to limit him to 5.
One thing with Scott away for the rest of the season, and Stephen McGinn away too, we’re only a few injuries away from having a slim bench
I’m hoping Stephen Bradley gets fit, and gets some game time soon
Comparisons with McGregor coming into the team and performing are far from a fair assessment of Allan.... McGergor was on the bench as our formation and starting line ups meant he wasn’t first choice... when they underperformed he got his chance and took it... nothing to do with fitness or injury, never mind a life threatening condition!
I’ll have what a lot of folk on here seems to be smoking!!
What makes you say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
He played him extensively before his condition was diagnosed. He's been on the bench and has had a few appearances since.
If he was fit enough, he'd be playing more.
I’d be worried if this happens and we didn’t look at bringing Scott back from his loan.... I would hope we have a clause in there just in case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Makes complete sense. Hope he does well.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
The pessimism of our fan base is so trying at times.
And don’t give me any of this realism rubbish!!
I doubt there will be any clauses in this window, but I’m not in the know😀Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
Exactly. Realism is very optimistic at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
Allan started 20 out of 24 matches under Ross in the league before his heart condition was discoveredQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
3 out of 4 in the cup.
Why do you think he doesn't rate him?
All the best to him. Been through an awful time and hope he can get some game time.
On the bench today for them.
According to many on here we have more or less secured 3rd, we certainly won’t get second, but we can’t risk giving Scott Allan any game time ‘cos he’ll be a liability and we have lots to play for. Which is it ?
Do you think Jack Ross believes 3rd is secure?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
I totally agree with this, last team we should be helping, I’m sure plenty others would have loved to have him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
He hasn’t told me. I’d imagine he believes one more win and it probably is though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
It has happened. Club and Scott think loan move is best at this time. So be it. Clearly best chance of Allan playing games is at Inverness until the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
The part where he makes no mention of him coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
It's not pessimism. I think it's the right thing to do for both parties.
According to the statement, Scott Allen thinks he can't perform as is required. Whether he thinks he would be a liability or not, isn't clear. Personally, I don't think he's the player to bring on when you're hanging on to a slender lead, or a point, even when he was fully fit, never mind recovering from a lengthy lay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
There's loads to play for because regardless of what folk on this message board type, third place isn't ours yet, and we're still in the cup.
I'd love to see Scott's name in the starting line up, but I can wait until next season when he's fully fit, rather than see a half fit version getting a few minutes now and again.
It’s all ifs and buts, however we could, although not mathematically, have 3rd more or less tied up after the next round of fixtures. Tbf to you, you’ve consistently been cautious regarding that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I agree, he’s not that type of player, he is though if you are looking to get an equaliser. And the cup is exactly why I would have kept him for this season.
If I was going to put a player out on loan it would have been Magennis who has is in dire need of game time. If we needed a bit of magic to come off the bench I know who I’d be bringing on. Even a half fit Scott Allan can pick a pass few if any in our team can.
It’s just people lining up a new excuse to have a go at Ross over the summer as there will be little other ammunition if we’ve just finished in our highest league position in years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
We’ll be seeing a lot of “JR plays terrible football, just look at how he’s trying to get rid of Allan because he doesn’t like flair players” over the next few months
:top marksI agree, I think we have seen the last of Scott in a Hibs Jersey, shame really.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Scott Allan will be an important member of our squad next season based on how many times he's played under Ross. He's even given him time off the bench where he could once he returned. To say Ross doesn't fancy him just doesn't make sense. He even brought him on in the semi final when folk were saying it was disgusting. Seems Ross can't win with an element of our support.
Or it could be another reason - like the one the manager has given us.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
There’s a difference between feeling good and wanting to get playing again (after an illness that was due to finish his career a few months ago) to feeling fully fit and ready to play in the Hibs first team. That’s why I didn’t think it was so obvious.
I hope the temporary move does him good and he’s back ready to kick-on next season.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Because it helps fit in with some folks narrative that Ross doesn’t like attacking players with any flair.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Utter nonsense.. Ross states he wanted him to stay as part of the squad...u are literally just making stuff up and ive no idea why tbh??Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
Loans usually lead to a player returning to the club they’re contracted to. This is a move to help us having the best chance of a ready to go Scott Allan next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
You make a decent point, but if Scott has asked for a move, then it would have been unfair to refuse, particularly if he couldn't be guaranteed to get on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Hopefully, he gets what he needs from the rest of the season, puts in a good shift when he's back for preseason training, and we get the very best of him next year.
To be honest, I don't think we've ever seen a fully fit Scott Allen because more often than not, he only lasted an hour or so. If the new diagnosis and treatment works, we might have an even better player on our hand come August.
Presume if we get more injuries (eg Irvine, Newell on top of Murphy), we can recall him for league matches? And Cup if he doesn't take the field for ICT in a cup tie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Caley said they’ve signed until the end of the season, so the answer is noQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeard
I don't think that would necessarily preclude a return. He's signed on loan until the end of the season, but whether he can be recalled is a separate issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I think loans generally would have recall options - would seem silly not to in case you got a couple of injuries and were stuck.
I'm all for giving him as much game time as possible and if the club thinks this is the right move then I'm on board. I'm already fed up of the "we shouldn't have let Scott Allan go out on loan" comments after each game we draw/lose for the rest of this season and they've not even started yet. :greengrin
Is he involved for Inverness today?
The window shuts on Wednesday, so he’d need to be back by thenQuote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
If he’s signed for them in the summer, we could have recalled him in January
On the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
On the back of moving Mallan out this makes no sense to me given we struggle for creativity and goals in midfield. How about loaning out McGennis!
:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
How are we clear in 3rd without having really played any of these 2 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebausburst
Cause our rival for 3rd is a team who’ve scored 1 goal in their last 10 games and just sacked their manager due to their awful performances, next question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
No idea who Gardiner is, McCann has ruined Bain that much, he plays for Celtic? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Hopefully Scott gets 6 games for them, it is 6 more than he's going to get for us. I bow to your medical knowledge on heart conditions, i know diddly squat about Scott's condition.
That’s a stupid answer so I’ll pass on further questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebausburst
Your first sentence is the crux of it for me, he’s either been told or has realised he’s not going to get game time and he clearly wants to play. He’s been consistent in that from his time at Celtic. The fact he is being allowed to go is clear to me that Ross has no intention of playing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I really hope you are right, I would build my team around a fit Scott Allan, I don’t believe JR will. Although posters have pointed to him previously getting regular game time, that was before we had Magennis, Murphy, Irvine, with Newell clearly a favourite. Then add in Gogic, where does Scott Allan fit in ?
I wondered when he did his recent interviews about his condition how long he’s actually been suffering from it, I don’t recall that being mentioned. So you are probably correct we may well have never seen a fully fit Scott Allan and put his tiring later in games down purely to his diabetes.
If they get onto the play offs, and they get a cup run, could almost play up to 10 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Gardiner is the ex Hearts CEO, who allegedly forgot to order the seats for their mega stand. He always was Budge’s sidekick during the lockdown League negotiations last season
How many would they have scored if Scott Allan was getting a game for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebausburst
I agree. Jack Ross had no intention of playing Scott Allan when he wasn't fully fit, apart from an occasional run from the bench if games allowed for it. I agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
We are spoiled for riches in the middle, so someone will have to miss out. Whether or not that's Scott or not, we'll have to wait and see.
I like when Gothic starts and I've a lot of time for Irvine Jackson, although he may not stay, but I agree, there's going to be a bun fight for the other midfield places.
That's a good thing though.
Scotty on now. Hope he does well
So, we're better than our rivals for 3rd, thats what you are saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebausburst