Scott Allan goes on loan

[Greenio]

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No, but its going to help him get playing games again. Could be 11 games with playoffs and more with cup ties. That is a huge difference for him.

Agree playing games will help him. But, in my view, all signs are that he's away for good. Including if you read Ross' statement closely.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aaron Ramsey is a good example of a player who was loaned out to a lower level to get games after a bad injury. Doesn't happen often but very, very little to suggest Allan isn't coming back for pre season.

[Hibbyradge]

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Agree playing games will help him. But, in my view, all signs are that he's away for good. Including if you read Ross' statement closely.

What signs?

Which part of the statement points to him being away for good?

"We would have preferred to have kept Scott in the group but he expressed a strong desire to go out on loan. Currently, and understandably given the challenges he has faced during the past year he doesn’t feel fit enough to make the impact that his abilities should in the top part of the Premiership. Therefore Scott feels that strengthening his fitness and continuing his recovery in the Championship is a sensible option. We feel that it was appropriate to continue to support Scott in his recovery by sanctioning the loan move."

If he leaves, it'll because he's not regained his fitness and he's no longer good enough. That will happen one day. It may already have, but the hope is that he'll return.

You're being pessimistic for no reason.

[J-C]

I reckon Scott will be gone in the summer, I dont think Ross rates him

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Yes, it's based on my opinion that Allan playing 5 games at another club isn't going to translate to him walking back into this hibs team.


Again, hope I'm wrong but that's what I think.

Is he limited to 5 games with them?

They’ve got 6 in the league plus 1 guaranteed cup game and a potential for 6 play off matches. Strange to limit him to 5.

[Billy Whizz]

One thing with Scott away for the rest of the season, and Stephen McGinn away too, we’re only a few injuries away from having a slim bench
I’m hoping Stephen Bradley gets fit, and gets some game time soon

[BlackSheep]

Comparisons with McGregor coming into the team and performing are far from a fair assessment of Allan.... McGergor was on the bench as our formation and starting line ups meant he wasn’t first choice... when they underperformed he got his chance and took it... nothing to do with fitness or injury, never mind a life threatening condition!

I’ll have what a lot of folk on here seems to be smoking!!

[Hibbyradge]

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I reckon Scott will be gone in the summer, I dont think Ross rates him

What makes you say that?

He played him extensively before his condition was diagnosed. He's been on the bench and has had a few appearances since.

If he was fit enough, he'd be playing more.

[BlackSheep]

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One thing with Scott away for the rest of the season, and Stephen McGinn away too, we’re only a few injuries away from having a slim bench
I’m hoping Stephen Bradley gets fit, and gets some game time soon

I’d be worried if this happens and we didn’t look at bringing Scott back from his loan.... I would hope we have a clause in there just in case.

[JimBHibees]

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If its baffling you, read the statement -

Manager Jack Ross said, "We would have preferred to have kept Scott in the group but he expressed a strong desire to go out on loan. Currently, and understandably given the challenges he has faced during the past year he doesn’t feel fit enough to make the impact that his abilities should in the top part of the Premiership. Therefore Scott feels that strengthening his fitness and continuing his recovery in the Championship is a sensible option. We feel that it was appropriate to continue to support Scott in his recovery by sanctioning the loan move."

Sounds like a competent decision with the players best interests at the heart of it..............

Makes complete sense. Hope he does well.

[BlackSheep]

The pessimism of our fan base is so trying at times.

And don’t give me any of this realism rubbish!!

[Billy Whizz]

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I’d be worried if this happens and we didn’t look at bringing Scott back from his loan.... I would hope we have a clause in there just in case.

I doubt there will be any clauses in this window, but I’m not in the know😀

[matty_f]

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The pessimism of our fan base is so trying at times.

And don’t give me any of this realism rubbish!!

Exactly. Realism is very optimistic at the moment.

[MWHIBBIES]

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I reckon Scott will be gone in the summer, I dont think Ross rates him

Allan started 20 out of 24 matches under Ross in the league before his heart condition was discovered
3 out of 4 in the cup.

Why do you think he doesn't rate him?

[HH81]

All the best to him. Been through an awful time and hope he can get some game time.

On the bench today for them.

[jeffers]

According to many on here we have more or less secured 3rd, we certainly won’t get second, but we can’t risk giving Scott Allan any game time ‘cos he’ll be a liability and we have lots to play for. Which is it ?

[MWHIBBIES]

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According to many on here we have more or less secured 3rd, we certainly won’t get second, but we can’t risk giving Scott Allan any game time ‘cos he’ll be a liability and we have lots to play for. Which is it ?

Do you think Jack Ross believes 3rd is secure?

[Joe6-2]

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There’s plenty of other clubs he could’ve went to and would’ve bit our hand off. Scot Gardner and Neil McCann deserve none of our help.

It’s also not going to help us considering he’ll not be back until pre season.

I totally agree with this, last team we should be helping, I’m sure plenty others would have loved to have him.

[jeffers]

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Do you think Jack Ross believes 3rd is secure?

He hasn’t told me. I’d imagine he believes one more win and it probably is though.

[HH81]

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According to many on here we have more or less secured 3rd, we certainly won’t get second, but we can’t risk giving Scott Allan any game time ‘cos he’ll be a liability and we have lots to play for. Which is it ?

It has happened. Club and Scott think loan move is best at this time. So be it. Clearly best chance of Allan playing games is at Inverness until the summer.

[Greenio]

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What signs?

Which part of the statement points to him being away for good?

"We would have preferred to have kept Scott in the group but he expressed a strong desire to go out on loan. Currently, and understandably given the challenges he has faced during the past year he doesn’t feel fit enough to make the impact that his abilities should in the top part of the Premiership. Therefore Scott feels that strengthening his fitness and continuing his recovery in the Championship is a sensible option. We feel that it was appropriate to continue to support Scott in his recovery by sanctioning the loan move."

If he leaves, it'll because he's not regained his fitness and he's no longer good enough. That will happen one day. It may already have, but the hope is that he'll return.

You're being pessimistic for no reason.

The part where he makes no mention of him coming back.


It's not pessimism. I think it's the right thing to do for both parties.

[Hibbyradge]

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According to many on here we have more or less secured 3rd, we certainly won’t get second, but we can’t risk giving Scott Allan any game time ‘cos he’ll be a liability and we have lots to play for. Which is it ?

According to the statement, Scott Allen thinks he can't perform as is required. Whether he thinks he would be a liability or not, isn't clear. Personally, I don't think he's the player to bring on when you're hanging on to a slender lead, or a point, even when he was fully fit, never mind recovering from a lengthy lay off.

There's loads to play for because regardless of what folk on this message board type, third place isn't ours yet, and we're still in the cup.

I'd love to see Scott's name in the starting line up, but I can wait until next season when he's fully fit, rather than see a half fit version getting a few minutes now and again.

[jeffers]

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According to the statement, Scott Allen thinks he can't perform as is required. Whether he thinks he would be a liability or not, isn't clear. Personally, I don't think he's the player to bring on when you're hanging on to a slender lead, or a point, even when he was fully fit, never mind recovering from a lengthy lay off.

There's loads to play for because regardless of what folk on this message board type, third place isn't ours yet, and we're still in the cup.

I'd love to see Scott's name in the starting line up, but I can wait until next season when he's fully fit, rather than see a half fit version getting a few minutes now and again.

It’s all ifs and buts, however we could, although not mathematically, have 3rd more or less tied up after the next round of fixtures. Tbf to you, you’ve consistently been cautious regarding that.

I agree, he’s not that type of player, he is though if you are looking to get an equaliser. And the cup is exactly why I would have kept him for this season.

If I was going to put a player out on loan it would have been Magennis who has is in dire need of game time. If we needed a bit of magic to come off the bench I know who I’d be bringing on. Even a half fit Scott Allan can pick a pass few if any in our team can.

[davhibby]

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Allan started 20 out of 24 matches under Ross in the league before his heart condition was discovered
3 out of 4 in the cup.

Why do you think he doesn't rate him?

It’s just people lining up a new excuse to have a go at Ross over the summer as there will be little other ammunition if we’ve just finished in our highest league position in years.

We’ll be seeing a lot of “JR plays terrible football, just look at how he’s trying to get rid of Allan because he doesn’t like flair players” over the next few months

[Lago]

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I reckon Scott will be gone in the summer, I dont think Ross rates him

I agree, I think we have seen the last of Scott in a Hibs Jersey, shame really.

[Since452]

Scott Allan will be an important member of our squad next season based on how many times he's played under Ross. He's even given him time off the bench where he could once he returned. To say Ross doesn't fancy him just doesn't make sense. He even brought him on in the semi final when folk were saying it was disgusting. Seems Ross can't win with an element of our support.

[WeeRussell]

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Re the first bit, I think that’s fairly obvious. Allan has said he’s feeling good and wants to play. Ross watches him every day and possibly disagrees with that, hence the lack of game time, even from the bench. If it’s not that scenario, then the only other reason for not getting him on the pitch is that he doesn’t see a place for him in the team (even if not from the start) at the moment. Thought it became quite clear there wasn’t any intention of using him, whatever the reason.

Or it could be another reason - like the one the manager has given us.

There’s a difference between feeling good and wanting to get playing again (after an illness that was due to finish his career a few months ago) to feeling fully fit and ready to play in the Hibs first team. That’s why I didn’t think it was so obvious.

I hope the temporary move does him good and he’s back ready to kick-on next season.

[SteveHFC]

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According to the statement, Scott Allen thinks he can't perform as is required. Whether he thinks he would be a liability or not, isn't clear. Personally, I don't think he's the player to bring on when you're hanging on to a slender lead, or a point, even when he was fully fit, never mind recovering from a lengthy lay off.

There's loads to play for because regardless of what folk on this message board type, third place isn't ours yet, and we're still in the cup.

I'd love to see Scott's name in the starting line up, but I can wait until next season when he's fully fit, rather than see a half fit version getting a few minutes now and again.

This.

[Andy74]

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Allan started 20 out of 24 matches under Ross in the league before his heart condition was discovered
3 out of 4 in the cup.

Why do you think he doesn't rate him?

Because it helps fit in with some folks narrative that Ross doesn’t like attacking players with any flair.

[Borderhibbie76]

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Agree playing games will help him. But, in my view, all signs are that he's away for good. Including if you read Ross' statement closely.

Utter nonsense.. Ross states he wanted him to stay as part of the squad...u are literally just making stuff up and ive no idea why tbh??