This. As much as he carps, getting a hefty MEP salary / pension and keeping himself relevant is very important to Farridge.Quote:
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This. As much as he carps, getting a hefty MEP salary / pension and keeping himself relevant is very important to Farridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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This will do for me.
I don't believe that. He's desperate for us to leave Europe, salary loss or not. He's worth millions and he'll make a lot more with a hard Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I wouldn’t worry about that! He’ll be on every episode of Question time between now and the election!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Isobel oakshot has taken his spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
I recall when the SNP won their Holyrood landslide, John Curtice was predicting a hung parliament. Yet he is held up as some sort of polling god or guru.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I think the last few years have seen a seismic change and I wouldn’t be confident of much from polling.
Ever since 2010 when we ended up with a coalition “that could never happen in Britain” they have been flawed.
Chris Law is being much more direct about independence in his leaflets, but being in the "Yes City" of Dundee it's understandable to go balls to the walls with that strategy :greengrin
https://twitter.com/stevelonie/statu...23390067609601
ITV is going to have a Boris vs Jeremy debate on Thursday 19th November with a follow up "multi party" debate at a later date.
I know it's going to be either of them as PM in the end but I'm never comfortable with excluding other parties with the risk it can have of swaying voters.
The SNP and Libs will be raging. Especially the Libs with them being so close in the polls. I wonder what the law says about broadcasting time and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Bit of backlash now regarding the Greens standing in more than 20 seats (so far).
Pete Wishart (SNP) isn't happy, he has a majority of 21, last election Greens didn't run but took over 1000 votes in the election before that.
I usually like to see as many parties as possible run but they have no chance of winning any seat north of the border in this FPTP system and could in the end save a few seats for the Tories..
Why would there be a backlash? And by who? Surely an elected politician doesn’t think somebody else standing against him is some sort of skullduggery? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
I know I should know who, but who is the green candidate in Perth and North perthshire? That is my constituency.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
It could be you . They’ll tell you later. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Originally Posted by marinello59
I’m considering giving my 2nd vote to the greens at the next holyrood election. If they cost the SNP a single seat next month they can forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
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SNP MPs (or potential ones) who are at risk of losing out to Tories / Lib Dems by people voting for Greens instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I don't think they believe it's skullduggery, more asking what's the point, they don't stand a chance of winning and could open the door to the Tories / Lib Dems.
Democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Who would have thunk...
So they think the Greens should just act like a branch of the SNP? That’s going to go down well with Green Party members. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
If they were standing 59 candidates then it’s no problem. All is fair in love and war. That’s democracy. But if they are only standing 20 and in areas that target SNP marginals then that is aggressive towards the SNP and in the spirit of all’s fair in love and war I think SNP voters might think carefully before lending the greens their 2nd vote come the holyrood elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I’m sure Tories will thank them by lending them their 2nd votes instead.[emoji849]
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It’s only really a democracy when we get rid of this ridiculous FPTP system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
For example in Chippenham I can’t vote Labour, its a straight shootout between the Tories and Lib Dems.
Crazily the Euro elections are the most representative as my vote is lumped into the South West PR vote.
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Well, ideally yes :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I think it's the problem with the FPTP system, it's going to throw up issues like this.
The current Tory MP in the Stirling seat for example is against gay marriage, do the Greens really want to risk having him still in the seat boosting Boris' numbers instead of the SNP's Alyn Smith (very pro European, pro-action on climate change)?
Only two days in to the campaign and already we have had -
SNP supporter complaints that hearsay suggests that Labour and the Tories are going to stand aside and let the LibDems have a clear run at Blackford in Skye. (It's no fair.)
Complaints from SNP supporters because Jo Swinson is apparently open to the idea of talking to Plaid Cymru but not to them. (It's no fair.)
And my personal favourite, a diddy party like the Greens has the audacity to actually consider putting up candidates against the SNP. There's even a claim that Pete Wishart ain't pleased. :greengrin (It's no fair.)
All at a time when the SNP is heading for a landslide win in Scotland, my vote included. You could almost feel sorry for them. :greengrin
To be fair to all those SNP supporters, they're only reflecting what's out there in the MSM, "the times" included, and which hasn't been denied (blackford).Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
FWIW they can get on with it for me, I'll keep this post in mind when we move forward to 2021, when wings comes along to stand on the list only.
The tables will flip on here.
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You’ll keep this post in mind? The tables will flip? I think you are taking my post far more seriously than it was intended. :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Not at all. Just a wee reminder for a couple of posters. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Lighten up man. Life’s too short. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I agree, I need to shed a few pounds, but that's below the belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Who needs the mainstream media? :greengrin
https://newsthump.com/2019/10/31/jo-...o-fridge-door/
In my defence if years of supporting Hibs has taught me anything it's that it's never good to go into match day as favourites :greengrin
Its already looking like Harry Hill is going to have to set up a fight so that some people can resolve their differences.
andrew neil asking jo swinson why she thinks she will be PM, she's one helluva dreamer
https://www.facebook.com/TheDailyPol...g0NjA2NDc5MTc/
she's standing as a candidate to be prime minister lol
The candidate hasn’t been selected yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I can see why the SNP might be worried about the Greens taking votes from them, but maybe instead of complaining they should look at the reasons why people would vote Green instead of SNP. The Greens have a far bigger commitment to the environment than the SNP, and that’s a big issue for some people.
There are also SNP voters who aren't happy with the SNP taking on Green Party policies. It's not as simple as taking their policies on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Man
Somebody is pressing her buttons, and she is lapping it all up. Another Kez - zero self awareness.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
These single issue parties, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Man
Farage now making an appeal to the traditional socialist strongholds of Northern England and encouraging them to come out in numbers and vote for eeeerm..... national socialism.
Sinn Fein and the SDLP in unofficial nod and a wink pact.
The SDLP stand aside for Sinn Fein in North Belfast.
Sinn Fein stand aside for SDLP in South Belfast.
Both stand aside for independent pro-Remain Unionist Lady Sylvia Hermon in North Down.
Both stand aside for Alliance's Naomi Long in East Belfast.
Got to hand it to Farage. He's the only national nhs privatizing profiteering socialist banker you could ever have the misfortune of stumbling across.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Hope that one in particular works out. Could conceivably kick-start something quite good in Norniron.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Why don't Sinn Fein stand aside for SDLP in all seats?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Because they're trying to gang up on the DUP, not obliterate themselves in NI?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
The same reason the SDLP won't stand aside for Sinn Fein in all seats? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Tories haven’t really got out of the traps yet. Maybe as crap a campaign as under May!
SNP (3rd largest party in the UK) getting white washed from yet another "debate".
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...e1&oe=5E4D21E5
What are the establishment so fearful of?
If Labour can talk about NHS for 6 weeks and keep letting the Brexit Party attack Johnson then it might tighten up enough for a hung parliament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
SNP need to keep doing what they are doing. Getting shut out a debate probably helps them. It shows that mp’s elected here count for less than mp’s elected in England.
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Lib Dem’s, PC and Greens doing a 50 seat pact where they stand down candidates to help each other win seats from Tories.
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And Labour? LibDems are polling well in the capital.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Are we going to see the same in Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Are the Greens in on this?
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Sky only invited Swinson after her attacks on ITV for excluding her. Love her or loathe her she has played this one well and if she performs as well as she has been doing in the Commons recently she will pick up a lot of votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I suspect Sturgeon will be secretly pleased to be excluded, it sends out the message that Scotland is already a different country fighting a different campaign from the rest of the UK. It looks like a bonus for the SNP to me.
Tories hiding report on Russian interference in elections.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-po...mpression=true
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So let me get this right. Boris Johnson is an unelected PM of a leave government that has been found guilty of manipulating a leave referendum vote and is now postponing the publication of a report into cheating in a national vote until after a national vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Just another grievance, nothing to see here, move along now.
Green candidate for Perth and North perthshire is ex snp councillor Elspeth Maclachlan. It might make the difference between Pete wishart keeping the seat for the snp or gifting it to the tories.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
You might almost be hinting that FPTP is not an ideal electoral arrangement for a four- or five-party system. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I would like to see the Greens rational behind agreeing to a "Remainers pact" with the Lib Dems / Plaid down south while putting up candidates against the SNP in Scottish seats where the Tories could get in.
The Scottish greens are a different party.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
The ****ing Lib Dems are going to let the Tories in. AGAIN.
This is so apparent. Voter reform is an necessity.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Unfortunately turkeys for Christmas springs to mind.
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We had a referendum in 2011 to change to a form of proportional representation and the result was 68% noQuote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Yeah, except the SNP can't get the message across that they're fighting a different campaign if they're not getting the media representation to present that message to the electorate...Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
There are arguments for both systems. I like the fact that there is one person who represents my area. Also how do you take into account local parties? The SNP, DUP, SDLP, independents would all lose out. A popular independent MP would lose his seat because he is not tied to a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
And how do you get rid of an unpopular mp who is protected by being high up on the parties list system?
Even with the Holyrood set up which is a hybrid of both, if Ruth Davidson’s constituents wanted to get rid of her as it appears she has switched her focus to lining her own pockets then they can’t because she is number one on the national Tory list system.
FPTP is not perfect but I still prefer it.
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Alternative Vote is not proportional. It's more of a tweak than a proper reform and the Libs were extremely weak in accepting it as part of their coalition sell out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I think multi-member STV as used in both the NI assembly and Ireland's Dail is the best compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If the Tories win it's Labour to blame, not the LibDems. They've been up against a shambolic split Governing party for several years now and should be miles ahead in the opinion polls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
just watching sky news from westminster the now, it's pretty empty, thornberry is up talking asking about the russian report, two tories opposite her just sitting with their heads bowed playing away on their mobile phones, what a den of ******** rudeness westminster is
That's down to Pete Wishart to face the challenge facing him then. I'm sure he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
If the tories win an all out majority (which they will). Expect a lot of peerages to crop up for Jo Swinson and her cronies.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It is quite interesting that this doesn't get spoken about more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The LibDems shelved quite a lot of principle in an attempt to address this issue (they got this referendum as part of an agreement to make up the coalition government).
Everyone remembers the tuition fees, nobody remember that they got the referendum and that it was effectively kicked into touch.
I wonder where we might be today politically had there been a different result in that referendum?
We'd be watching fist fights on Parliament TV as Farage and Francois square up to each other to prove who's the most pure Brexity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Pretty much in the same place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Once again, AV is not proportional.
In terms of Scotland, we'd be a lot worse off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-opinion-polls-labour-s-london-lead-is-halved-as-it-s-all-to-play-for-in-capital-a4279016.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Colr
This poll finding is indicative of labour malaise across England and Wales. Personally speaking I think Labour will struggle everywhere even across their strongholds after a dire year of Brexit fence sitting. A party in chaos unfortunately as I don't want to see the tories gain a majority and hope that the anti Brexit Lib Dems are the main beneficiaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Corbyn terrifies a lot of people, there is no getting away from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankhfc
He has a decent base who support him but it’s not enough to win an election.
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I think Labour will do well. Corbyn comes across as more genuine than Johnson or Swinson anyway.
Same with the Lib Dems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So a tory landslide it is.
I wouldn’t say landslide because the Tories are a deeply unpopular govt who have a massive track record of failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Which shows just how unpopular Corbyn is.
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It’s not how he come across that worries people. It’s the return to socialism that scares people. People don’t really want to see industry re-nationalised. They definitely don’t want their property confiscated or their kids school shut down. Fact is, when it comes down to it they would rather risk brexit than risk Corbyn.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
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They're not unpopular though. They're unpopular in Scotland. But they're not unpopular. Unpopular parties don't get 40%+ in polls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
A half decent opposition would have had this election won already. Sadly Corbyn's Labour have fallen well short of that. He had the youth vote last time round, I suspect he has blown that now with his dithering over Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Where is your evidence that Labour have any plans to confiscate people's properties or to shut down schools? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No offense, but that's taken straight out of a tory campaign leaflet.
Pretty sure Labour conference recently agreed that tenants should have the right to buy their landlords private property at price set by govt? And did they not also agree to close private schools and sell off their assets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
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The proposal was to give tenants the opportunity to buy out rented property from landlords who own and rent a large number of homes. The proposal for private schools is to integrate them into the public sector, not to sell off the assets. Although it is just a proposal and not commited party policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You can see why that might scare people though? What is a large number of properties? 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
And it can be taken for granted the people who send their kids to private school don’t want them integrated into the public sector. 7% of kids are educated privately. They mostly have two parents and grandparents, aunts uncles etc who would not wish for the kids school to close. And the proposal was for the endowments of the schools to be redistributed.
They have similar respect for private property to communist regimes of the past and that is a hard sell to people who value what property they have.
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7% of parents with kids have them educated privately, which means 93% don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
20% of UK households are rented privately, which means 80% are not.
Do you honestly expect the Labour Party to pander to the private sector to the detriment of the public sector?
Some people might find their policies scary, but there are certainly plenty of people out there who find tory policies scary. Regardless of which party you are and what you're campaigning for, you're always going to scare some groups of people.
Labour scaring private landlords and owners of schools for the privileged doesn't worry me in the slightest. Neither applies to me.
Exactly this.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It was risibly embarrassing when forced into saying they'd both negotiate another deal with the EU then attempt to persuade people to vote against it in a second referendum. Brexit will have a profound effect on this GE despite Labour desperately trying to shift the debate. Hoping the other progressive parties benefit and not the tories.
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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I have no problem with either of those policies. Tory policies will do a lot more harm to a lot more people than either of these ideas. (Which as you rightly say are just under discussion at the present time.and will not be in Labour's manifesto) .
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Originally Posted by marinello59
Besides, what votes are Labour really going to lose out on through such proposals?
Can't say I know too many private landlords with a multitude of properties or too many parents sending their kids to top prep schools who have ever really considered voting for the Labour Party.
Did the Labour Party actually say that, or was that the spin that Brexity folk put on it? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankhfc
Some individual Labour MPs said they would vote to remain, but that's different to what you're claiming.
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Originally Posted by marinello59
And yet the Labour Party is languishing in the low 20’s in the polls against this Tory govt. Clearly there are people out there not keen on these policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Obviously you think it doesn’t affect you (erosion of property rights will affect everyone eventually) but that does not make it a good idea.
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I would vote differently if they had that one again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
However, wholesale reform is needed.
Take it you're not Jewish, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
They certainly won't vote for Corbyn's Labour which they try and portray as swivel-eyed communists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
It won't work. Inequalities will reach such a level that it will become glaringly obvious that something needs to change
They're also pitching to the extremes which may put a lot of One Nation Tories off. Not enough to vote Corbyn though, who is the other extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You think they're in the low 20's because they're scaring people who would never consider voting anything other than conservative anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Erosion of what right? The right to buy up hundreds of properties and charge overinflated rent? Landlords should either be limited to the amount of properties they can own and rent out, or there should be a cap in place to stop them charging extortionate rent rates for people who are desperate for a roof over their heads.
What's that got to do with anything? Are you suggesting that no jewish people will be voting for Labour in this election?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Not all jews are duped by the anti-semitism myth.
I recall Emily Thornberry more or less stating that was the case on Question Time a few months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I don't let myself be swayed by Brexity folk.
Prices are going up because we are not building enough houses. Demand is rising due to the massive increase in Edinburgh’s population which increases competition for property. Until they free up the planning system and allow more house building then it will continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Landlords don’t really set prices, they accept them. The market sets them. There are plenty places in Britain where rents haven’t gone up in years.
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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
We need to shift away from seeing shelter in primarily economic terms