So thats the 24 hours up. I trust everything is now sorted at the hunnery
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The scraped knuckle drums over on rangers media seem to think licence has been granted and are waiting for official notification
This is the same Huns that took the SFA to court just a few weeks ago, and appear to have got away with that. IMHO, they have not shown enough remorse or learned their lesson and need to be slapped until they do. Or put in the naughty corner for a season. NewHuns are acting like spoiled brats and need to be treated as such until their learn some humility and grow up.
Given that Portsmouth are now pretty close to Liquidation themselves, I wonder what steps will be taken to reconstruct the league setup down South to accommodate any newco that may come of it?
I am not so sure that they are. Clearly, Davis had a value to them, and they probably paid less than that; so they secured a player on the cheap, without having the uncertainty of waiting for clearance like the other clubs.
However, the key thing for me is whether Davis was employed (employed, not registered :greengrin) by Sevco or not. If he didn't transfer his contract, then Sevco were arguably acting fraudently in asking for money for him. If he did transfer his contract, then they probably have a right to the money.
I see on twitter Robbie Savage has been whoring himself out to Sevco fans even going as far as to say he play for them for free! Says he could still do a job in scots D3. Wonder if anything will come of it? :confused:
I have no idea why I follow him so don't ask.
On Twitter saying he's sent a text to Charles Green to say he'll play for Sevco for free!! Prick!!
For goodness sake, this crap should have been sorted out many weeks ago. Instead the so-called administrators of our game have dragged their feet, primarily to avoid any harm to Rangers. Whilst, at the same time the reputation of Scottish football or more accurately its ghost is been dragged through the slime that is Rangers and we're all supposed to look the other way if we can't applaud
He's a knob. Think ill unfollow him after the pish he's been saying tonight. Offering to play for free at The Huns. Why no play for a team that would actually need a player like him. Im sure Berwick would take him.
I agree it should have been sorted out months ago. But its not the fault of the football authorities.
Think Sir David Murray, although he did his best to try and sell the rancid club for years before he duped White.
Think Snow White himself
Think Duff and Duffer - and all the false bidders and false dawns and missed deadlines.
Think of Yorkshire puddings (with gravy mmmmmmmmmm) holding out for unreasonably lenient entry to SPL, SFL and now the SFA.
Its only them that are to blame - no one else.
Ian Black's agent due at Ibrox tomorrow to finalise his move to #Rangers. Deal a substantial increase on what he was on at #Hearts.
Absolutely disgusting
They're gambling on getting decent crowds. It's a tricky one for Green, he's got to try and prove he's serious about putting a decent team on the park to win favour with the orcs. Plus they've got to get players in now who can win Div2 at a canter because they'll still be embargoed next summer. Any hint of a struggle and the moaning from the Huns will be unprecedented. They are the biggest set of spoilt *******s in world football.
I expect them to cruise up through the divisions but there is still plenty that could go wrong for them, so fingers crossed.
Is this now Day 6 of the "negotiations"?
Does anyone have any insight into what exactly is being negotiated?
IMHO they will be discussing the detail of how the SFA & SPL will be softening the blow further down the line for RFC with promises of league reconstruction to fast-track their route to the top, how they will "guarantee :wink:" at least 2 Celtic matches a year, how the favouring system of referees will be managed in Div 3, the "commission" going to Regan and Doncaster for facilitating RFC's recovery.
How exactly Regan and Doncaster are still involved in this scandal beggers belief. I'm surprised politicians haven't waded in to get these crooks removed from their positions, but then again, I'm not.
Confuses me slightly that Sevco have to accept the sanctions for the dual contracts, that is surely an oldco deal? Titles will be stripped from the oldco, newco should have no recourse on it :confused:
Latest "insider" stuff (no idea how true) from RTC blog suggests the outcome will be:
- Registration embargo for one year from Sep 1 (as widely trailed).
- Dual contract investigation shelved until tax FTT result is known.
- Given FTT result and investigation both find OldHuns guilty, titles may be stripped from OldHuns but ...
- No further sanctions from OldHuns misdeeds to be attached to NewHuns.
- NewHuns to pay outstanding football debts of OldHuns.
- NewHuns don't get OldHuns money for 2nd place finish last season.
I think that's all fair enough. There should certainly be a stripping of any affected titles, but apart from that - let them get on with it. I'm not sure why the dual contract investigation should be shelved though if it's to have no real impact on Newco? :dunno: Well, apart from Sally quitting, likes :wink:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23912291/
Don't know if its just Green/Daily record bullsh*t but it seems the SFA are to set up a tribunal to overrule FIFA and force clubs to compensate the " People ".
Also read somewhere else the OldCo are refusing to transfer their SPL share to Dundee until they get what they want from the negotiations ? :confused:
It has become the focal point for the Hun hordes. Green has to keep them onside but even the SPL can't back down on this one so a convenient delay while he tries to sell some season tickets and the chance to "blame" the result on the judges of the FTT suits both parties.
They'll have to prove the illegality of the so-called broken contracts before they're due a penny, and the concensus seems to be that they are pissing against the wind with that one. And given the SFA don't seem to have a clue regarding the legalities of the whole situation, it sounds doubtful they'd be getting involved. You ever get the impression Chuckie just makes stuff up...
So Rangers (whether NewCo or OldCo) are to get away with 10 years of cheating and all they will suffer is a meaningless retrospective adjustment of the record books. They knowingly withheld information on their players' contracts from the SPL and will get away with it, when lowly Spartans were thrown out of the Scottish Cup for an administrative error. This is not right. And they get the benefits of the OldCo connection - i.e. direct entry to the SFL. I'd be interested in the HMRC view of the requirement for NewCo to selectively pay some of the creditors of OldCo. Stinks.
QC to face criminal charges for failing to pay HMRC £600k VAT - wonder if Whyte will ever be brought to account?
http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2012/07/queen...vat-fraud.html
I'm sure its been said before but ....
The SFA should say these are the conditions of entry, take it or leave it.
As for the alleged refusal to transfer the share. Cancel it and make up a new one.
I don't think that Newco in law have any obligation to pay any of the creditors, the fact that they may have to would be purely down to an SFA condition for license. It's not fair of course, but there you go. Equally, it's not right that they (for we know it's still them) get away with the dual contracts. That said, there's not much can be done to Oldco, and it could be argued that it has nowt to do with Newco. There is still of course the grey area of whether they retain the history of Oldco. If they do, then surely they should have to embrace the punishments for wrongdoing of the Oldco? I think there's a little bit on both sides of folk wanting their cake and eating it. We want them to lose their history and still to be punished for it, whilst they want to retain their history, while washing their hands of any punishment resulting from it.
I can't see how that makes sense. If the SFA tribunal decide Whittaker is worth £2m and they 'order' Norwich to pay it, what if Norwich say no? They have absolutely no power over English clubs and if they refuse to release the player's registration them presumably FIFA can overrule them.
Regarding the share, they're not in a position to refuse to transfer it, the SPL can simply transfer it for them without needing any action by D&P.
Ally McCoist parking in disabled bay at Ibrox
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/daily...-344044266.jpg
The report's a combination of inaccurate reporting and Green's spin. FIFA have given players provisional permission to transfer and play for their new clubs while their status is investigated. The SFA is to conduct an inquiry into the position. It hasn't been set up to assist Rangers claim and can (and imo should) decide that no transfer fee is payable. There's a query been raised about how football's regulations apply to the players who've left so due process has to be observed.
Assuming I haven't missed something, is the ownership of Ibrox et al still unclear?
GG
Deano, Black, Beattie etc all being offered around £7k per week. Makes you sick that a club with all their financial difficulties and plying their trade in Div 3 can pay these amounts of money.
http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=232894
This is the best thread I think they've come up with on Rangers Media. Discussing the level of hatred in Scottish football,that us and the sheep are ****, that football should be competitive and fun and we've ruined that.
:kettle:
Obvious the Orc tactic with the SFA is run it to the wire before accepting terms. Same way they treated paying bills when Minty ran Mordor.
This whole fiasco gets harder to figure out by the day, where the hell is Chick Young, i need him to clear a few of these things up for me?
Sorry but I disagree on that being meaningless. Stripping old hun of titles won when cheating means a lot - the huns will hate it and we know what Sally said about never accepting thhat. I'd like them totally killed off as much as anyone else but that ain't go happen. So if someone had said this time last year that the huns would go to SFL3, lose most of their players, be banned from signing other players for two transfer windows, have most of the titles they won during the 90s and zeros stripped from them, be fined £160k and be banned from Europe for 3 years I would have bitten that someone's hand off to see that. Sure, only some of this is punishment in the strict sense of the word but taken as a whole I think I'd be happy with this.
I was one of those particularly sceptical about that. I think, on the balance of probabilities, that Sevco did indeed take possession of the properties. However, I still haven't seen any proof. It is also possible that they have been sold to another company since then.
What is sure, though, is that BDO (when appointed) will be making their own investigations into the property transfer, and the related value.
Sevco have been removed from the SFL website and Ramsden Cup fixtures.
Do they know something we don't ??
http://www.scottishfootballleague.co...l/third/table/
http://www.scottishfootballleague.co...-cup/fixtures/
They are still on the BBC sites as The Rangers FC, first game on Sunday at Brechin in the Challenge Cup.
Will they have the licence in time. :tee hee::lolrangers:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/...e-cup/fixtures
The BBC may no longer list them as a team on their SPL page, but they're still willing to list Sevco stories there despite "McGregor to Besiktas" having no SPL involvement whatsoever.
How many other Third Division clubs are given such undue prominence?
The S.F.L. @OFFICIAL_SFL
Please note the http://scottishfootballleague.com
website is being updated at the present time. League tables fixtures etc are therefore not complete.
http://www.scottishfootballleague.co...et_sponsor.png
1 Annan Athletic 0 0 2 Berwick Rangers 0 0 3 Clyde 0 0 4 East Stirlingshire 0 0 5 Elgin City 0 0 6 Montrose 0 0 7 Peterhead 0 0 8 Queen's Park 0 0 9 Stirling Albion 0 0 10 0
Interesting :cb
Regardless of what way the decision may go, this is utterly ridiculous, and I can appreciate the anger building. 2 days before the SFL season begins and there is no decision!
Which of course means if Rangers get a no, there's no time to offer the slot to other clubs! This entire mess should have been done and dusted within a week of liquidation.
Does anyone know what happens if Rangers/Sevco don't get accepted ?! Is it Spartans that get the nod, Cove Rangers !?
And with a week or so to go is it possible to instate them !? This is all getting nuts !
Wouldn't surprise me if they formed a 14 team SPL with Rangers back in and include Dundee & Dunfermline, saves legal action.
Other latest this morning
Sky and ESPN will show 65 matches per season from the SPL & Div 3 if RFC Newco are granted a license.
Kenneth Mure QC named as man tasked with ruling on Rangers' Big Tax case
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23913367/
In the DR article (I know) linked above, EY's Neil Patey is quoted as saying there will be about £1m available for payment to creditors.
Surely D&P could have gained more for the creditors than £1m by selling all the players and selling the Rangers assets individually? The money due from Everton for Jelavic was more than that - just looked at D&P report saying there was £3.8m due from other football clubs.
Their management of this insolvency is looking increasingly incompetent, or worse.
Not sure I agree with your summation of D&P'S administration.
Yes, it's easy to be wise in hindsight and say "they should have... could have.." etc. However, their initial approach always was to sell the business as a going concern. That, IMO, was absolutely the right thing to do.
Where they failed, I think, was their delay in recognising that that approach was not going to work; I think thay may also have over-estimated the worth of RFC. Their defence, of course, would be that too many apparent purchasers strung them along for too long. Whether that is a valid defence, one can only guess at just now.
... which has yet to happen. :wink:
There always was going to be a tight time-frame to get all of this done. If you remember, there had to be notice periods for all of the various meetings to decide on RFC and Sevco's situation. Due process and all....which is only fair.
Not HMRC, the Tribunals Service:
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...-tribunal/2359
Well the week that newco bought oldco then ;)
I get what you're saying, but it seems that throughout nobody in the governing bodies has wanted to be 'the one to pull the trigger' so here we are, 2 days before kick off and there is no answer and no back up plan!
It wouldn't surprise me if Rangers were willing to sacrifice the cup game as a means of calling the SFA's bluff on the membership transfer.
:hmmm:
That is of course your prerogative.
I don't think my views are based on hindsight. I have thought from the word go that they should have sold the club's assets to realise the cash. Look how long it to SDM to sell the club for a £1. I just can't see how D&Ps behaviour has resulted in the optimum solution for the creditors.
Here's a blog post with enough numbers in it to keep CavGreen and CWG busy for a couple of hours...
(Does anyone wonder at how close Caversham Green's name is to Charles Green...?)
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...e-financially/
SFA want Rangers striped of certain titles then they can gain membership. Rangers do not want to be stripped of said titles and will not agree to this. Result is that Rangers will hold out as long as possible until SFA drop their insistance on stripping titles. If this means postponed matches and a staggered start to leagues then so be it.
BBC's Chris McLaughlin:
@BBCchrismclaug: All parties involved in #Rangers #SFA membership saga now of the opinion that deal is pretty much done. Statement likely this afternoon.
I think a lot of people are underestimating the SFA.
Regan is not ""THE" SFA, he is only their current mouthpiece.
The more that Rangers push them the more likely they are to play hard ball with. This is an organisation that has historically looked upon itself as the be all and end all of Scottish Football and will not take lightly to be dictated to.
Rangers, in recent months, have taken them to court and made them look silly in front of UEFA and FIFA. They disclosed the identities of an SFA tribunal board and subjected them to threats and abuse. They are probably in no mood to be doing them any favours.
StevieC
http://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/s...ser-online.png
It wouldn't surprise me if Rangers were willing to sacrifice the cup game as a means of calling the SFA's bluff on the membership transfer.
I think that Rangers' actions throughout this farce have revealed them to be quite willing to sacrifice the future of the Scottish game itself if that furthers in any way their myopic view on the state of SEVCO.
Why does this word 'deal', keep appearing.
The SFA/SPL does not need to negotiate anything with SEVCO. Its up to the SFA/SPL to tell the Hun what is happening and for the Hun to either accept or leave.
The reaction of the Hun, from McCoist downwards re-inforces my view that the country, never mind Scottish Football, would be a better place without them.
:fuming:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23913367/
Gee'z, their certainly going for the blue vote to judge from this link. Just noticed how blatantly anti-Catholic this rag is. Rather depressing actually.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...roval.18258382
CONTRACTS will be signed with Sky and ESPN to show 65 matches per season from the Scottish Premier League and Irn-Bru Third Division if Rangers newco's Scottish Football Association membership is approved later today.
Sky will have the rights to 30 games, starting with Celtic versus Aberdeen at Parkhead next Saturday lunchtime, then Rangers newco's opening third division encounter at Peterhead on August 11. ESPN would have 35 live games and the first would be Dundee United versus Hibernian on Sunday, August 5.
Herald Sport understands that a deal involving the SPL, Scottish Football League and the two broadcasters – and including rights for 15 of the newco's league games per season – will preserve most of the value of the existing £16m-a-season television agreement for the current campaign. That will spare top-flight clubs from the most severe repercussions some had feared from at least three years without the Ibrox club.
The television deal is agreed in principle but cannot be signed until Sevco Scotland Ltd's application for the transfer of Rangers' SFA membership is approved. That needs to happen before the club can play its first match at Brechin City in the Ramsdens Cup on Sunday afternoon. In theory, approval could be given at any time up until kick-off, but practicalities and exchanges of documents essentially mean it has to be done today. But all five parties – Sevco Scotland, the oldco Rangers, the SFA, SPL and SFL – were understood to believe the discussions were almost there last night and that there will be a satisfactory conclusion, and the signing of contracts, later today.
Representatives from Charles Green's newco regime held further negotiations with Neil Doncaster, the SPL chief executive, yesterday. A major obstacle has been the SPL's view that accepting any potential punishment from its ongoing investigation into undisclosed payments to players via Employment Benefit Trusts – alleged to have happened over several years of the oldco Rangers – should be accepted by Sevco as a condition of membership. Manager Ally McCoist and some others at Ibrox have vigorously opposed any acceptance that the club could be stripped of league titles if a guilty verdict is returned.
BBC Alba will have live coverage of Rangers' tie at Brechin and yesterday the channel was continuing to plan as though the match would go ahead. As for the longer-term deal involving Sky and ESPN, the companies will discuss how the SPL and third division coverage is shared in the weeks and months ahead. "It will be up to the broadcasters to decide how the games are carved up," said a source at one SPL club.
It keeps getting weirder:
@GrahamSpiers: Eduardo Hurtado – ‘The Tank’ – apparently happy to come out of retirement and play for Rangers. Just turned 42, still got some mileage…
So that is what it is then!
Sevco as Rangers continuing to pull the strings of Scottish football by holding up an agreement (they morally do not have a say in) therefore, holding clubs to ransom over the TV deal.
When will it all stop...?
Sometime in the middle of this season according to these estimated figures :agree:
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...e-financially/
And more signing talk - Kyle and Stack for newco
http://sport.stv.tv/football/112719-...h-fa-decision/