A good enough joke, but shouldn't Lammy also be calling for jail time for the miscreants?Quote:
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A good enough joke, but shouldn't Lammy also be calling for jail time for the miscreants?Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
https://twitter.com/jonashworth/stat...056738306?s=21
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Originally Posted by Diclonius
There's a place for the main protagonist here.......
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I've had a quick check today and can confirm they're still nasty ********Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Tories are to blame for absolutely everything that's wrong in the world today but not even i can blame them for the last three pages on this thread :confused:
but anyway
St Albans beat Forest Green in the FA cup earlier tonight
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Thanks, at least we've cleared that up
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Vegans losing is a bad omen for what COP26 will deliver.Quote:
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@JohnRentoul
Labour lead in @IpsosMORI poll for Standard
Lab 36% nc
Con 35% -4
Green 11% +5
Lib Dem 9% nc
https://standard.co.uk/news/politics...l-b964945.html
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...eaze-clampdown
Commons Standards Committee considering a ban on MP holding a second job as advisers or consultants. Seems like a great move. I imagine there’s a lot of MP very worried about their bottom line right now.
Cue mass exodus of Tory people wanting to be MP's.Quote:
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A good thing for everyone.Quote:
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...box=1636379859
Nothing to see here. This is why they tried so hard to undermine the system last week.
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I just watched the clip on the BBC website where Bojo was getting questioned about it whilst visiting a hospital. His opening gambit is to talk about the great personal loss suffered by Paterson. They really are a horrendous shower.
He didn't get things entirely his way with Lord Paterson but, still determined to show that rules don't apply to him, he wanders about a hospital maskless. Posh boy ****wit, as Dorries would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
Strange as they were so interested in it last week!!!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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however, a hospital spokesperson sought to reassure the public he was following the rules
Mask? He should be huckled for that shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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His slovenly appearance just shows a total disrespect for the position he holds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I don't for a minute believe he actually does respect the role he has, it seems like he sees it as a birthright of sorts, but a bit of a pretence wouldn't go amiss. It's so obviously contrived as well, both he and his advisors know the lovable rogue/Worzel Gummidge look plays well with the sort of people who base their voting intention on 'a guy you could have a pint with'.
A horrible individual.
The press went after socialists Michael Foot and Corbyn for looking like utter tramps, so I’m not going to get stuck into Bozo for him looking like he’s just fallen out of skip…it’s what he does and says that makes me viscerally despise the man. But there is definitely a double standard at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Not in the EPL for his ablities as a politician more like the conference league in terms of his ablities as a politician. Some of the stuff he comes out with he clearly has not read or does not understand his briefing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Nice view from up there looking down on us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
You think we’re so uneducated that that’s why we voted for him?
You’re talking about regular, working class folks here. The same sort of folks that form the SNP base up here I’d imagine or that Labour would love to represent again down south.
Under what education did you vote for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
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I'm talking about the people who say they voted for him because he's the kind of guy they would like to have a pint with. That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
That was a Corbyn policy I think. Quite right as it is starting to get ridiculous in terms of cash for peerages and contracts given to donorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
I’m not sure what exactly you have a problem with there; voting for someone based on ‘who you want to have a pint with’ is massively misguided, don’t you agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
The reasons you gave for voting Tory the other day were contrary, vague and by your own admission ill-informed, with the idea put forward that your just a working class person so why should you be a politico.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
"I don't go reading every political manifesto or considering every policy before I decide who to vote for. Like a lot of people, I look to the leaders and what they are about."
You also said you "like Boris".
Fair enough. You're entitled to vote for someone if their eyes are less close together than their opponents if you want, but are you in a position to complain about appearing ignorant after posting that?
Working class people used to the sharpest tools in the political box. Using it as an excuse for not being informed is pretty sad.
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it's a pity they're now only starting to realise what Johnson and his cabal of corruptness have done to their party, it's a start though i guess
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Johnson and his cabal biggest "crime" is getting clumsy. Really good Conservative are adept at hiding their corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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That was 2 years ago today!Quote:
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in that case it's a pity more,a LOT more haven't followed suit
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Originally Posted by Kato
it's a pity the last tory MP to retire from the house with at least a moral compass(i think) was Ken Clarke
Leadsom and rees-mogg should own the events from last week and resign, as for the other 250+ ? that voted for corruption they will always be tainted, the 13 that voted against Johnson can at the very least hold their heads high..well at least until they start voting to punish the poor again anyway.
Absolutely hilarious that the 250 are presenting themselves as victims. :crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'm always wary of looking back with rose tinted specs but I think there is an older style conservative (small and big c) who is at best bemused and at worst alarmed by the current state of the Tory party.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Someone like John Major was vocally anti Brexit and was particularly critical of the underhand tactics used by the leave machine. Equally he has put his head above the parapet last week and unequivocally condemned his party for their attempts to subvert parliament. He seemed genuinely horrified by their behaviour. He has also written extensively in the last few days, across multiple publications, about the folly of the UK triggering Article 16. He's no saint but he seems obviously hurt looking at the current openly corrupt, arch nationalist, populist personality cult guise the Tories have adopted.
The fundamental issue is large swathes of the public still don't seem to be horrified by them. Either that or they see no realistic alternative. Neither is a good thing.
Can't say he doesnt tackle the hard questions
https://twitter.com/Tim_Burgess/stat...K1zJapX7A&s=19
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He's got a great PR team but he's actually one least skillful politicians around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
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My issue with Johnson is the look is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
He's openly admitted in the past he deliberately messed up his hair before TV appearances, maybe still does. It's all part of the buffoon act, his whole image is carefully crafted and the look is part of that. It's all an act. The newspaper columns, the casual jogging shots, HIGNFY, all of it was part of a bigger plan.
Corbyn and Foot may have lacked sartorial elegance but it was real. With Johnson it's a distfation tactic and part of the painting of him as a bumbling buffoon rather than a dangerous demagogue.
Of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I think it’s pretty demeaning to assume that’s why scores of people voted for him though.
I think folk are giving him credit he doesn’t deserve in making him out to be some sort of evil genius, with the appearance part of some sort of master plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Everything I see suggests he’s a ****ing imbecile.
It's his costume. The Bullingdon Club's get-up when they go around smashing restaurants and bullying bar-staff is a costume. Rees-Mogg wears another one. It's there to annoy/impress/bamboozle, and it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Yeah, politics can be rough.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
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I’m not making excuses for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
The point I was making was that I tend to vote for a leader I like. I don’t think that’s an uncommon position to hold. I don’t like Boris because of his hair or choice of clothing though!
Cant remember what reasons I gave for voting Conservative, it’s irrelevant to this point really.
You say I’m I’ll informed. Ok, I’ll take that. Same as millions and millions up and down the country. You and a few others on here appear to follow things really closely, fair do’s.
I don’t. I get snippets on the news on the radio in the morning, or on Newsnight or Sky news or whatever. I don’t pretend to know it all and I’m not trying to change anyone’s view on anything. I still like to have a wee say now and again though.
If it’s any consolation to you, I’m a Conservative voter living in Glasgow’s east end. The definition of a wasted vote!
The 1st link is long but gives some idea into the Johnson image and character being deeper than 1st glance suggests. The 2nd follows a similar theme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/boris-johnson-minister-of-chaos/619010/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/12/boris-johnson-brexit.html
'Boris' was something of a fictional character. At some point the lines between reality and fiction became blurred and have now almost disappeared entirely.
If you take voting for him because "he seems like a good bloke to have a pint with" as a broad euphemism for voting for him because "he's the leader I like". It's not really too much of difference. It's a daft-ish reason to vote for any leader, not many people "liked" Thatcher for instance, Churchill was reviled by many before WW2, but its hardly the worst insult.Quote:
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Tony Blair? Worked for him a treat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Why you so bothered about why I vote a certain way? I’ve given a couple of lines and you seem intent on just putting me down. Fine. Can we just leave it at that? I’m not about to write paragraphs only for you to tear it to shreds and say I’m wrong.
There’s probably some folk that vote SNP because they like Nicola Sturgeon. Is that daft too?
Not so bothered about your vote and not having a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
There were claims a few days ago that this thread was all insults towards Torys and Tory voters. Someone points out that some people voted for that party for trite reasons and you took umbrage when, apparently, you voted for that party for trite reasons.
Just a bit surprised that it's worth complaining about.
Your vote maybe didn't matter but thousands of votes based on trite reasons did.
One theme of this thread is that despite being liars many Tory politicians were voted in with thousands of votes given for reasons that were trite, or contrary, or for things that weren't really on the table.
I don't like any politicians btw, admire a few, none of whom play that game any more, and that's it. If they do a good job for the whole country then that's the least to be expected. This century has been a sh*t show on that front and its getting sh*ttier.
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PB was being kind. IMO vast swathes of people this time round voted tory just to piss off liberals, the same as with Brexit. Voting for self harm out of spite goes way beyond stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Details of some of the MPs financial arrangements; Andrew Mitchell receiving £180,000 per year from 6 businesses on top of his £80k mp salary, another MP Julian Smith receives £144,000 from 3 businesses. Will these MPs ever vote for what would be in effect, slashing their salaries by more than half, especially when some know they have little chance of promotion into the cabinet? I really hope this continues to be in the spotlight, it won’t be limited to Tory MPs either….
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You sound like the kind of fellow I could go for a pint with.
I'll see you at Loudens on Saturday.
That's about a 5 mins walk for me, 8 mins to the Bristol Bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Not 100% sure, but I think you need and to be wearing a large sovereign ring and sporting neck tattoos to get in? Maybe that's just for the ladies?
I think it was more to do that they felt Labour had abandoned them to chase the liberal elite vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
They had a choice of Corbyn or Johnson, it's no surprise who they chose!
I asked the other day if I was the only Conservative voter on here, I wonder if there are any Labour votes left?!!
Seems to me like a lot of posters on here would be traditional Labour voters but they have all moved to support the SNP instead.
Out of interest - the Tory voters on here - I’d love to know why you think they’re the party to turn around the fortunes of Britain considering they’ve been in power for eleven years and we’re in an absolute mess.
Not looking for an argument - just understanding.
Sorry seems to be the hardest word. If one of your chums is caught up in corruption, just abolish the rules which say you can't be corrupt.
https://youtu.be/CnBhEgeqEA0
At least it not Corbyn, Get Brexit Done, I'd have a pint with Boris, he seems a good bloke, Labour didn't give us any foodbanks - delete as appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Happy to share my thoughts, that's all they are, not saying I'm right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
I don't see the country as being in a mess.
The whole Brexit thing took ages to get done and it felt like everything else was in limbo during that time. Theresa May didn't give me any confidence that Brexit would happen so when she left and Boris came in, it felt like things could get moving.
I remember watching his first press conference or similar and being really impressed with his upbeat, positive outlook on things. It was such a refreshing change from the few years of bitter arguments we had just had.
Then Covid hit and everything else fell by the wayside again.
For all the Conservatives failings, and I'm comfortable acknowledging there's been a lot of them, I still see them as a better option to Labour. I'm not in favour of Independence so I can't vote SNP.
So, I don't exactly see them as being the party that can turns things around as such, but I also don't see the issues that so many of you on here do, or at least not to the same extent.
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Yes there are and no they haven't.
Geoffrey Cox in poll possition with earning £400k a year for advising the Virgin Islands in relation to fraud charges brought by our own foreign office. Pretty sweet really as he was held up in the Virgin Islands for months during lockdown and voting in Parliament via proxy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...an-in-lockdown
It would depend on why they like her. Is it because they view her as professional, honest etc or would they just like to share a can of Irn Bru with her down at the local Cafe. If they view her as trustworthy and professional that may be a reason to vote for her. Being likeable has little to do with it thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I think the point you make on how you vote and where you get your information probably sums up the electorate. Voting has become too complicated as well as becoming to simple. The characters are simplified with Corbyn in the Russian Hat etc and the policies are the same with three worded slogans being all that is required to win the British Public over. The actual game of politics is probably more complicated than ever with a digital and traditional economy, a hugely hostile world and a planet on the brink.
I tend to read all the manifestos, take in as much as I can on TV but only in terms of listening to the politicians rather than the spin put on by journalist. I then weigh what the manifestos say against the likelihood of the politicians in that party doing what they say they will do. That means I will never vote Tory as they only make promises to gain power and change with the wind when they get in. I'm pretty much in the no-one left to vote for as I can't really see any party who is heading the way I want Scotland and the UK to head and also who I remotely trust to actually do what they say. I'll return to spoiling my paper from now on as I did for more than a decade after Blair got in. A spoilt paper says what I think about who I want to lead us and I would much prefer there was a none of the above box and a genuine campaign to vote for that. I like 80s movies as you can probably tell
Whatever safeguards were put in place you can be assured there would be those that would find a way round it. For example Ministers aren't allowed to be part of these shenanigans however it turned out Matt Hancocks wife had shares in companies getting lucrative contracts and there's the infamous pub landlord! And then there's Rushis banker pals quids in after the Budget.Quote:
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https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...s-paul-not.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
That’s true, but without these safeguards and systems the likes of Neil Hamilton (and Johnathan Aitken I think too) wouldn’t have done jail time.Quote:
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Don't think Hamilton was jailed, was he? Aitken was.Quote:
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Again out of a lack of understanding on my part, if you were to see the issues that we see would you likely change your vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I actually feel sorry for politicians! Some of them must put so much work into an issue only for folk like me to miss it entirely or pick it up incorrectly from a new bulletin or headline.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
If you go to the bother of reading the manifestos, take the extra leap and cast your vote. Maybe an independent in your area if you don't fancy the main parties?
Nowt wrong with 80s movies.
You’re right, it wasn’t jail time. But Hamilton did end up in court for cash for questions, but it was a libel case against the guardian which he lost, so his guilt was by implication. Also won a libel case against the bbc where widespread witness intimidation was reported.Quote:
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Hard to say for sure, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
I was close to voting for independence but in the end decided against it. I like some of what the SNP does but the indy issue will always prevent me from voting for them.
I can't stand socialism. I find the likes of Corbyn frightening and the thought of him or someone like him in power doesn't bear thinking about. I don't mind Starmer, but the folk around him are so weak I don't think they'll do well at all.
Lib Dems or Greens? Meh.
What don't you like about socialism the most?:Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Free health care at source.
Free education at source for children.
Allowances for disabled people.
Allowances for people out of work.
Or do you have another socialism pet peeve that annoys you more?
Hang on, you almost voted for independence, but you could never vote snp because of independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
You are one confused individual.
You've said that you voted for Boris because you like him, but I bet you aren't in his constituency, so what you really did was vote for the Conservative candidate, whoever that is because you like the party leader. You have also said that you don't read the manifestos and get your information from what is broadcast.
On the other hand Wookie does the opposite, reads up on the party manifestos and then spoils his paper because none of the parties meets his standards.
Neither wonder the country (ies) in such a state!
He doesn't like the red flag 😉Quote:
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I think I'll pass on this one if you don't mind. I've tried to give honest answers but if I start slagging off socialism on a thread about hating the Tories I'm only opening myself up to a verbal kicking here!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
The thing I don't get about the current batch of Tories is that they are almost a caricature of what right wingers normally slaughter socialists for.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
All animals are equal - except some are more equal than others. Tax rises, at a time when government corruption is a bad as it's been. Chumocracy, lack of transparency when it comes to allocating vast sums of public money. Promises of "levelling up" but only focusing any extra money into places where people on their side toe their particular line. These are all meant to be features of end game socialism, when it has run it's course, gone too far and got out of control. All the poorly paid would almost certainly be on strike if it wasn't for the dismantling of the unions and the fact that most of them work for massive corporations based overseas who pay little or no tax (probably as advised and lobbied for by our elected representatives).
My beliefs when it comes to left and right will flip around a bit from time to time but essentially I believe that both can work. What I object to is the total lack of honesty and integrity that this government have and the lack of respect they have for the ordinary person. Politicians being dishonest isn't necessarily new but I find myself getting angrier than ever when I hear Johnson dodging questions the way he did yesterday and basically any time Rees-Mogg opens his mouth. Who the **** do they actually think they're kidding?
There are genuine, decent reason reasons for voting conservative (or certainly for a centre right party). I just don't think that anyone who votes for them votes for those reasons, so as long as folk are content that they're either the party who leave you with the most in your own pocket, they're the most competent when it comes to the economy, whether it's because they growl the loudest at the dinghies of brown people in the English Channel, because their leader is the one you'd most like to have a pint with, because they might actually "get Brexit done" (whatever that means and whatever the cost), because they are the best for a bit of good old Union Jack flag ****ging or because they are the toughest on imaginary woke situations that actually have very little bearing on the lives of the vast majority of people - we're going to be stuck with them and their habits for a while.
I felt quite bad about not intending to vote in the last Scottish election so I went along and simply spoiled my ballot.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
I still took part in the democratic process but made my point albeit in a way that is ultimately meaningless and futile. Come the next election if there aren't significant shifts from any of the 2 major parties I would seriously consider voting for then I will do the same again. I might have voted SSP on the list this year but they didn't stand candidates. I'm beyond voting for the least bad option now. They say you get more right wing as you get older but I find myself thinking increasingly radical thoughts. I'm fed up hearing about consensus and watching parties walk a tight rope trying to offer sops to people across the political spectrum.
I quite like the rhetoric and action from a few of the younger and new Labour MSPs, Pam Duncan-Glancy and particularly Mercedes Villalba. The latter has spoken well multiple times in Holyrood and seems very active locally. Hopefully a few of these types can find themselves closer to the real power of the party in the years to come.
I actually really like Anas Sarwar as well but whilst the English red wall is the way it is, anything that the Scottish Labour Unionist party does just feels pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
England needs to change massively before I would actively consider voting for any unionist party, and I expect hell to freeze over before that happens.
I would love to vote Labour again. I did from age 18 and foolishly once for Blair and resumed when Corbyn was Leader. I'll never vote for Starmer or his New Labour like again. They actively worked against Labour and are more blue than red imo. I'm also one of those who value principles more than power and have no issue with the Labour Party being true to their history even if it means they don't get elected as often. I have no idea what the Party stand for at the moment, they would sell their Granny so they can get the retainer the Tory MPs are getting for using their influence would be my guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
It is a massive surprise to me that anyone could choose Johnson over Corbyn. One is so obviously a born liar who is completely uninterested in anything that doesn't benefit him and he combines that with a real nasty streak. The other is a hugely principled individuals who actually really struggles to lie. That was used against him with Brexit and while Corbyn might not have been the best leader he was by far the best man.
I will continue to vote for who I think has my best interest at heart and at the moment that is none of them. It feels like the choice between death by legal injection or a thousand cuts when you vote now. I'll always go to the ballot box but none are worthy of making decisions on my and other workers behalf.
What did you have against the Greens, out of interest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
And even if it meant they didn't get elected at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
When I said similar it was suggested I was voting out of self-interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Like yourself, I think this is how most people vote.I don't think it's selfish at all, more like common sense.
I don't think they have done anything like enough to challenge the SNP Govt on issues such as land reform, council tax reform (that being a long standing Green priority, nominally at any rate) and they have failed to secure an end date to North Sea oil drilling which should have been their ultimate priority and post election simply had to be a deal breaker before any power sharing was agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
More than anything though it would have been tacit approval of the incumbent government who they have propped up. That govt and Labour were the main targets when I decided not to vote.
You've just listed some reasons you think people voted Conservative. You could be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Maybe they didn't though. Maybe they voted for genuine, decent reasons?
Is voting for the party you trust most with the economy a trite reason, or a decent, genuine one?
It seems like this thread is painting all Conservatives with the same brush. There will be voters of many races, religions or levels of wealth that vote for all parties, Tories included.
10 or 20 years ago would you have voted Labour? If so, why not now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I've voted Labour 3 times since I've been eligible to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
When Cameron defeated Brown and the 2 elections under Corbyn.
I'm not really sure why I voted for Brown it was so long ago. I voted for Corbyn because Labour at it's heart simply has to be a socialist party and Corbyn is, for all his faults, a socialist.
I won't vote for them now because they are a confused centre ground mess who are guilty of exactly what I mentioned in my earlier post. Trying to be all things to all people, treading a nothing middle ground and really appealing to no one.
Well I definitely agree with your view on current Labour party but I think if they move to the left you’ll be stuck with Conservatives for a long time to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
My own view is that the UK as a whole is more centre-right. I think the way elections have gone since the 70s show this to be the case and there’s just no appetite for a socialist government here.
This is all getting pretty confusing given the Conservative Party's promise on "Levelling Up" are pure socialism.
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Lucky they are not actually doing it then or that could be embarrassing for them.Quote:
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Yup.Quote:
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It's okay though because its one of those on the side of a bus slogans, doesn't actually have to happen or require any accountability when it never appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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Sir Geoffrey Cox has been "remote working" as a MP whilst in the Caribbean.
Apparently he's hardly set foot in the House of Commons recently. How can anyone represent their local constituents from the Caribbean? Does anyone in England care anymore what the tories get up to to? It doesn't seem like it.
He gets away with it because he sounds very, very posh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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By the "UK" you mean England?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
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Could be either, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I think that's why Labour lose elections FWIW - people don't trust them on the economy. Well, not enough English people, who would rather the money be left in their own pockets for them to decide what to do with it that for it to be taken and be spent for them.
Definitely England more so, not entirely sure about Scotland or the rest of the UK in fairness.Quote:
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I think I also agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Not sure if you’ve framed that as a negative but it’s a fair enough, boiled down description of left or right I suppose.
The economy was hardly discussed before the last election. Labour's policies were overlooked by the Anti-Semitism furore and Tory policies were mostly about memtioning Brexit a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
The financial back-ground for building 40 new hospitals, levelling up and an oven ready brexit barely got a mention. The two major aspects which stick in the mind was Corbyn with a Russian hat and the Russian backed Torys toying with constitutional matters.
Cast your mind back to Blair and he switched the red-tops to backing him by promising to carry on Thatcher/Majors economic pattern. It was the most vital aspect which got him elected.
The old left-right conversation about fiscal matters barely exists these days.
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...and ironically the exact opposite is happening..
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Love to see them trying to level Ben nevis, skafell and snowdon 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
is it safe for that lying coward Johnson to return to parliament yet ?
No. He's run away up to Glasgow (earlier than scheduled).Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...over-25000-job
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Nearly said there must be a few hospitals he could wander around unmasked but with his tie tucked inside his shirt for safety reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Then I remembered he's probably on the run from hospital workers as well now.
Only really does popular sound bites before moving onto the next potential U turn.
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