A discussion on the language used when describing the actions of the 2 different factions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/in...rael-palestine
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A discussion on the language used when describing the actions of the 2 different factions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/in...rael-palestine
I guess they would say because one are hostages whilst the other have been convicted or waiting to be convicted of crimes. Whether they trials or detentions are fair is worse than doubtful knowing Israel. Israel has 140 under 18s in detention with appallingly 8 of them aged 14-16 the rest 16-18. All arrested for security breaches, which could be anything. Hopefully all get freedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Isreal is the only country in the world that tries children in military courts. They can get 20 years for throwing a stoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Possibly a better outcome for them than being shot to death, which I've unfortunately seen and not just this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Several Israeli politicians and leaders have called Palestinians “sub human animals”, and thry treat them as such . Netanyahu was getting stick for allowing 1 tanker of fuel into Gaza per day. Beyond any sensible reasoning
Ceasefire agreed 4 days for 50 hostages, 1 day for every further 10 hostages released. 240 hostages so could give 20 days of Ceasefire.
Releasing prisoners was always going to be the quickest route to de-escalation. I'm sure both sides will want to start up again as soon as they can but this should hopefully let the Palestinians escape.
Although Jordan has said if one Palestinians refugee is brought into Jordan via Israel they will see it as a declaration of war by Israel. With Egypt saying similar I don't see anywhere for the Palestinians to safely go
Perhaps if they all take to small boats and start landing on other countries' shores, we will hear less parroting by Western leaders of 'Israel has the right to defend itself'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
On the day Isreal and Hamas agree a ceasefire, the Scottish Tories vote against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Isreal release footage of the tunnel directly under the hospital, they enter a new shaft five foot from the hospital
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1727476410803953868
A walk through of some of the complex, air conditioning, kitchens, toilets, communication systems
https://twitter.com/breeadail/status...55806981877792
Another tunnel starting from inside a building in the hospital complex
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...86341800075366
How have the IDF managed to build all those tunnels in such little time? They’ve only been in control of the hospital for 2-3 days 🙈Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Edit…sky news have just shown some of these tunnels and said that Israel originally built them? But it’s a building a picture of Hamas using them as shields
Their usual expertise is in knocking down Palestinian houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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Israel originally built the hospital if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I'd like to see that report as I don't think anyone is saying that the new video is anything but Hamas tunnels, the design is consistent with all the other miles of tunnels. Israel updated the hospital in the 80s these are clearly being used now regardless, modern air conditioning units, phones, plumbing and tvs. Nathan Russer from bellingcat has geolocated hundreds of meters of it from the pics and videos. It travels under the hospital and off under Gaza. Israel didn't make the vast system under the cityQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1727672195101667499
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
According to a former Israeli PM, they built the tunnels under Al Shifa. This has been rumoured for years
https://truthout.org/articles/bunker...srael-pm-says/
Think there is an enormous tunnel infrastructure under Gaza to Egypt predominantly. Has been a thriving economy in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
No he said they built bunkers to extend the hospital, that was known it was full reinforced concrete. He never said they built the tunnel system. Hamas denied there was any tunnels underneath, wouldn't they say yeah there is Israel built them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
They were saying they don't exist, then when found they said it was two separate videos, they are silent now that it's obvious there is a vast tunnel network. It'll be excavated more but some will still die on the weird hill that Hamas's miles of tunnels don't go under the hospital.
Even if they weren't built by Hamas although they obviously were. They are clearly using it decades after Israel has gone and have secret entrances inside buildings
Saw this estimation, they are absolutely vast and under most of Gaza city. That's no excuse for Israel to flatten the city with disregard for the livesQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
One would imagine that underground bunkers would need connecting to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/...-hamas-israel/
That biased piece is before Israel released its new videos with the tunnels going for hundreds of meters away from the hospital. They are also the same as the other Hamas tunnels.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
I saw an Al Jazeera piece yesterday saying the video released on Sunday was faked. They say it was 2 videos spliced i believe you said similar. They say the first shaft was beside the hospital then they cut to clear hamas tunnels. They have been silent since Israel released dozens of videos showing this wasn't the case and there is a labyrinth of tunnels that also goes underneath.
Regardless of when they were built they clearly have modern upgrades like aircon and telephones. They are under the hospital and have multiple exit points. The evidence gets clearer daily
It’s gone beyond who said this and who said what. It’s difficult to argue now that Hamas aren’t using tunnels under the hospital, whoever may have built what originally. Such actions by Hamas affect the protection offered to the hospitals in times of conflict . Hamas use as a military compound does not give the Israelis carte Blanche to do what they like in and around the hospital. It’s all about “proportionality’. IMO Isreal have acted outwith reasonable proportionality. As they have done for 75 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
You would be hard pressed to find a piece that was not to some extent biased, neither side and its supporters can claim the moral high ground when it comes to objectivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I wouldn't disagree with any of that I think you'd have to be biased to say that Israel has used any proportionality or respect for human lives throughout this. People saying whatabout dresden to defeat Hitler. I'd hope if the uk had precision weapons satellite imagery and a absolutely massive military advantage they wouldn't have destroyed a city, yet here we are with Israel doing thatQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
https://streetartutopia.com/2023/10/...JBdrKh13qSWq_Q
Have a look at this, watch the video. This is a powerful piece. How did he get in and out though?
https://x.com/drloupis/status/172801...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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Add to the list of many heinous things the Israeli “ Defence”:force engage in dailyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
organisers asked the wee fart not to appear Antisemitism protest: Tommy Robinson arrested | Watch (msn.com) but appear he did, telling the cops he was there in his role as a journalist, not quite right in the head
Tommy Robinson is an absolute *anny and I detest everything he stands for but the police treatment of him is worrying compared to some of the light touch policing of other marches.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
30 odd police officers and pepper spray, he wasn’t exactly kicking off. Although his defence of journalism and free press is a bit of a joke
Two more days added to the ceasefire.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]
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Shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
That is, obviously, good news for many reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
However, it more people are released on both sides, the Israelis will
just arrest more Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, as they have done over the last 4 days