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The options are to cease and desist budgieQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
It must be terrible being a supporter of a lower league club like Alloa, Arbroath or Hearts? Such a long close season.
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My guess is that this is linked to the SPFL statement due today, about sanctions for breaking the rules re Covid. SPFL will want to know that lower league teams like Hearts can comply with the new rules before starting or in their case resuming training. SPFL already have inspected all the Premier league grounds and training facilities.
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Given what happened in the past - all the emotion and hyperbole yet zero success - something like this really does press the nuclear bottom for many of them.
They are missing what looks like about 6 days of training, taking account of likely days off. They are 7-8 weeks away from the start of the lower leagues and 10 weeks away from the Scottish cup game.
If this was Hibs, we would be angry but we would be working with SPFL/SFA to get some dispensation. Instead Budge appeals to the crazies with constantly being incensed 🙄🤡
I dont get the big deal. But i suppose they need something to roar and greet about now they've been laughed out the league, court and arbitration.
And while Hearts fans were originally loving the fact that the top league was at risk of a red card, one or two of them pointed out that the ripple effect is staying in the championship until 2022 (minimum).....Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Yep, they're moving onto superlatives, that'll teach the SFA, SPFL, the arbitration panel, Hibs, Dundee, Dundee Utd, Raith, Cove, uncle Tom Cobleigh etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingPat4
Just as soon as they work out if a superlative is bigger than an adjective the bombardment will commence.
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Maybe the answer here is to create a bubble, whereby the current Premiership teams can only mix with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco G
For the sake of caution, keep that in place until, say, 2025.
I hate to take Hearts side in this but it's a stupid decision.
They must have been given permission to start training, with whatever precautions are required, and they haven't breached any guidelines that we know off.
Nothing has changed as far as Hearts are concerned and it just seems like another over-reaction on the part of the SG (or apparently the SFA, until somebody else corrects me again ;-) )
Heard from our family yam yesterday, he doesn't meet the "incensed" standard but did say he's officially fed up of the "whole thing" and wasn't too complimentary about their recent signings.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I said if it makes him feel any better he could pretend the Livi 3rd choice keeper is actually the boy from Ross county at least until the season starts.
They'll need to find ways to move fans like him from thinking about reality to just focusing on being incensed, otherwise they might start questioning what they've got for all that money to date.
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On Twitter Stow AFC are raging because all of their training plans have now been thrown in to disarray.
Stow AFC!
Maybe Hearts should take joint action with them against the SFA.
Jeez, poor Brux, the evolutionary scale in reverse, went to bed a Duncan and woke up as a chimp.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
This has to be down to the SPFL.
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Made clear on sportsound last night that this is not a SG decision. Scottish football was asked by the SG to provide a structure and evidence they can continue to compete safely and the measures announced were the SFA/SPFL response. All of these measures are football decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson
The A7 Alliance!
I like it! :greengrin
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Originally Posted by CentreLine
Thanks.
In which case it's a stupid decision by the SFA/SPFL.
The part that is conveniently missed (unless I misheard) is the follow up comment from Jason Leitch when he said he’s the one who has to look the FM in the eye and say Scottish football is safe. And this decision does help that.
Could be but, as posted below, it does strengthen Jason Lietch’s hand when arguing for the safe continuation of top flight football. I think the authorities have been put in a very difficult position be players’ stupidity and had to be seen to be being firm in their response. They have suspended return to training for football below the top flight in order to conduct an inspection of every facility and satisfy themselves that lowers league clubs can meet the standards required. If they can do that in ten days that’s some going but that much does make sense on safety groundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
This is a SFA sanction and has nothing to do with Government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
I'm sure this was just a ploy so that Tom English had something to talk about for the coming weeks. :wink:
In my opinion there is no way that Stow would have any alliance with that club. Always been a well run ethical club who prefer to play there football on the grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon_the_cabbage
Are any of the Smiths involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibi
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Originally Posted by easty
Prayers for whoever has the misfortune to live with Brux.
The whole point here is that whether Hearts like it or not, the goalposts have been moved. The lower leagues were granted a dispensation to return to training based on a risk assessment that has been proven to be inadequate. The JRG is in the process of updating protocols and it's actually impossible to know if the lower league clubs can meet the new standards. That includes Hearts.
Since March, Hearts have failed to recognise that the authorities (government and football) have more pressing priorities than the immediate needs of Edinburgh's bigliest club and that they have a responsibility to society to ensure that football operations don't have an impact on public health.
It’s quite funny though, eh?:greengrin:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Typical bitter wee team hobo response. **** the SPFL, **** the national team, **** Pertie, Lawwell and rat Doncaster. There is a clear anti Hearts, anti protestant agenda here it's clear for all to see. Corrupt to the core. They'll never see my maroon pound again. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall never surrender. Robbie's got us playing Hearts are back 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪 5-1 1902 HHGHQuote:
Originally Posted by Col2
I agree, Jason Leith is acting in the best interests of all of Scottish football. Far better to stop training now and check that they meet the criteria. As Hearts only rent their facilities extra checks may be required to ensure no cross contamination.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
It would also be unfair on all of the other lower league clubs that Hearts could train and they can't. A few days should not make a difference. Remember the Hearts mantra about being fair to everyone and no one disadvantaged.
I'm sure once they have had a chance to reflect overnight they will no longer be enraged.
Of course, if they had beaten St Mirren then they would not be a lower league club like Alloa and Arbroath. This problem would not exist.
Hull are currently training at the Oriam. Thats brilliant. :greengrin Hibs should book it out for the day.
This is excellent! tweeted by Hearts official twitter page
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfXvWl7W...name=4096x4096
Not directly although their business Agenor do some sponsorship. Good Hibs men 🇳🇬Quote:
Originally Posted by BS44
Do you think it’s fair that Hearts get a pre-season but their competitors don’t?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
I know Hearts argument is that all clubs could have started their pre-season on 3rd August like they did but the other clubs didn’t know this was coming.
I don’t agree with the decision to stop teams from starting pre-season but as soon as that decision was made, in the interest of sporting integrity, Hearts had to be told to stop as well as they would be having an unfair advantage over the rivals like Alloa and Arbroath.
Does that not make the whole thing "stink"?Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
A team from another league and country can train at the Oriam, yet a Scottish club can't???
It looks like another save of the "SKY money" from the SFA/SPFL, nothing else matters!!!!!
Anyone can rent out Oriam, that's possibly the issue, if Hearts owned their own training facility that they could guarantee exactly who is coming and going then they may have had some leewayQuote:
Originally Posted by where'stheslope
I genuinely hope it's something more sinister than that though, **** them
Maybe the JRG wouldn't have stopped Hearts from training so they could check they were following the correct protocols if they hadn't flagrantly ignored the protocols just a few weeks ago around going to arbitration and not taking the SPFL/clubs to court. They've proved on numerous occasions they're a bunch of shysters that cannot be trusted.
Could Hearts have picked a worse year to get themselves relegated?
Only Hearts with a picture of a Scottish Govt facility.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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It's almost as if the football authorities don't have much goodwill towards Hearts. Can't think why.
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Originally Posted by Since452
Nope. :faf:
This is what all their anger and complaining is really about - they know they have absolutely done a number on themselves. Celtc’s current situation might give cause for concern too - the favourites for the Premiership have had a bad start and things are not going their way. Hearts should be careful not to rile the authorities because any postponed matches in a truncated season could really hurt them.
Hull are just renting it the way Hearts doQuote:
Originally Posted by where'stheslope
Should get a photo made up of the Oraim saying"only Hull".Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Manalishi
James Anderson covering Stow's costs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon_the_cabbage
You've fallen into the Jambo trap. They want you to think that every decision made is a direct attack on them when in fact they are a mere afterthought. It's probably due to all the Jambos you have in your family!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Hearts are full of rage
https://twitter.com/JamTarts/status/...436746240?s=19
Tin hat on: As funny as this is I for once (🤮) agree (🤮) with (🤮) Hearts (🤮). I appreciate that the Oriam is really short on cash and any income is welcomed but it is a mental decision and totally unjustified.Quote:
Originally Posted by where'stheslope
I see no issue here at all. The governing bodies have stated only Premiership teams can train and play. The rest will need to wait until the correct protocols are put in place. They have 9 weeks until their season starts meaning plenty of time.
From what I can see no other wee team/non premiership club except the Duncans are complaining.
English League One side Hull City are currently training in Edinburgh - despite Hearts being ordered not to.
On Thursday, the Scottish Championship newcomers said they were*"incensed"*by the ruling that they should cease training.
But Hull have travelled 200 miles north for a pre-season camp at Oriam, a facility where the Tynecastle side train.
The new measure comes after Covid-19 rule breaches in the Premiership.
Hull training doesn't put the rest of the Scottish Championship clubs at a disadvantage. Hearts training when other Championship clubs want to, but aren't allowed to, would. Budge even mentioned the justification in her diatribe. They just can't hack not being allowed an unfair advantage.
What happens between Hull and the Oriam has nothing to do with our governing bodies.
Exactly. I can’t believe this is being overlooked by so many. It’s basic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falconhoof
Someone on Twitter has changed it to “Lonly (sic) Hearts” 🤣👍🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Shirley with Hull training at the Oriam it makes it a good decision to stop hearts doing so? The potential for spreading Covid is way higher with two squads training at the same facility. Hearts will have almost two months to prep for their season, way longer than premiership teams got. Don’t know what they’re complaining about 🤨😆
AppleekticQuote:
Originally Posted by easty
Not to mention sone of the other diseases they could catch being in close proximity to yamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Oscar T Grouch
I believe Millwall are booked in for next week too. And therein lies the problem. Hearts cant offer guarantees of who will be on site. Pity they didn't use some of the £25m spent on the new stand to build their own training facilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar T Grouch
Ha ha, the only thing that could trump this is if Glasgow City were to set up a training camp there as well. :protest:
GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016
Nope, they were well and truly Mirrened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
If only that beaten St Mirren like that Gassy guy was predicting, this incredulously, incensing, rage could have been avoided.
Who to blame?[emoji6]
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Ah but see when that single tier stand is finished...............Quote:
Originally Posted by Juniper Greens
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It will, however, interest the SG. It muddies the waters a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB_NO3
....it will have cost £30millionQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Joe Newell has tweeted exactly that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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There will be no other single tier stand like it[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Juniper Greens
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That's how I see it too, but it's not the SG. No need for the over the top statement though, unless it's to stay top of the statement league.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Although this is incredibly amusing, I do agree that its a bonkers decision.
If hearts were able to abide by same testing rules as SPFL clubs, there is no reason for them to be stopped from training.
Has it been removed.... can;t see anything from him on TwitterQuote:
Originally Posted by oldbutdim
It was a fake page.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Superb 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbutdim
Is that not the issue here. Anyone can and does rent the OriamQuote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
In this case we have two teams following two different protocols sharing the same site.
No wonder they have been told to stop. The bio-security of their rented facility is potentually compromised by Hull City's presence and the JRG have indicated a review.
You've got to wonder if HCFC are breaching Scottish Government regulations and guidance too.
FWIW...I don't think Hull City should be allowed to use the football dispensation that allows training in groups of more than 8 households, which has been agreed for Elite Scottish clubs. Although neither should Hearts, as they aren't elite in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Wouldn't surprise me if the Millwall trip next week is cancelled and Oriam get a telling off
It should beQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Not only Hearts but Hull, Millwall and anyone else that can afford the rent*
* Optional
i hope this makes the news, if anything it will highlight that heartz don't actually own a training centre, they have to wait in a queue alongside kids rugby/girls hockey etc etc whatever, they do like telling all and sundry they have their own elite training centre, pfftt
Gimps
Only Hearts.. would post a photo of a rented training facilityQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Only Hearts, caught staring through the window waiting for the netball practice to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
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No he hasn't it's a fan account just for the record.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbutdim
Hearts don’t rent the Oriam, they have a seperate facility out the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
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If sports facilities are open & users are complying with the government regulations for using those facilities then I don't see a problem. If Scotland & England have similar protocols (i assume they do)for playing professional football I'm not sure there's a problem either as Hull will only be playing their professional football in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Regardless, Hull will not have booked the Oriam yesterday. Were Hearts going to train at Tynie this week, maybe combined with doing a shift on finishing the stand. 🤣
[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6268233]Hearts don’t rent the Oriam, they have a seperate facility out the back.
that they rent, presumably ?
What like a portacabin sort of thing. or portaloos..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
**** the hertz,
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin
[QUOTE=Corstorphine Hibby;6268241]They even mentioned it in their own statement - I thought it was quite surprising to see as they usually like to gloss over the fact that they don't have their own training facilities:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
"We signed contracts with service providers, including Oriam and our Testing company"
Well, it was built for them, wasn't it? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Oops. My mistake..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge
Apologies all.
Only Hearts on a Tuesday and Thursday [emoji23]
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...and before lacrosse but after hockeyQuote:
Originally Posted by cookin_on_gaz
The only bit hearts have exclusively is 1 changing room, a small gym , a laundry room and about 5 offices. The two indoor pitches are shared including Berwick, edinburgh city, Cowdenbeath that have bookings each week. The main gym is shared even the canteen is used by students they just get a slot for lunchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
[QUOTE=Corstorphine Hibby;6268241]That they use and sometimes pay for that use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That is interesting that is a far bigger stake than I thought they had I really thought it would be like turning up at Meadowbank for a game of fives :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Correct. And the changing room is only for a very defined group of 24 first team players. As they will also have reserve players training, they will be using the shared facilities perhaps. Additionally, hearts don't have exclusive access to any pitches in particular. In recent years they have tended to go for the cheaper to rent pitches (with fewer attached facilities), further from the main Oriam center and nearer the student halls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
So in short, hearts don't have their own facilities. There are half a dozen rooms they rent exclusively, but most of what they use is the shared stuff, which you are I could book out (normally)
Which is precisely why their facilities need to be assessed alongside all the other clubs in the lower three divisions. Presumably the Premiership clubs have already been evaluated against the revised guidelines.
Are you sure they were not already inspectedQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan62
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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Well, yes, it admittedly is funny...
:greengrin
This may be the crux of the matter right here in that Hull, Millwall or anyone else actually understand and abide by the concept of paying for the services provided, that’s proved somewhat difficult for our noisy neighbours to grasp in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
So is it their "exclusive" area that they've signed a lease for 30 years, or is the whole thing PAYG?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
They may well have been inspected already but it's clear that every facility in that division hasn't been inspected. The decision yesterday by the Joint Response Group wasn't a decision against Hearts. It was a decision that affected the whole of the Championship. They'd ALL previously had permission to restart but only Hearts took up that permission. The permission has been temporarily withdrawn until the authorities are sure that all the Championship teams can implement the revised guidelines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
Of course, we're all being a bit naughty about Hearts' rented training facilities but it will be a factor, no doubt about that. Fascinating times.
They could avoid everyone laughing at them over the access they haven't got to the facility they don't own if they just rented an allotment and put up a half decent fence then ran about there for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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To be honest I don't really understand it. Forgetting it's them and forgetting the fact there really is no need for them to start pre season training so far in advance of all the other clubs in their division, if it was OK for them to have started training I don't see why they should stop. I get that all the clubs need to demonstrate safety protocols have been adhered to once games start, but I don't see why it matters what the other clubs are able to do at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan62
It's brilliant tho :greengrin
Funnily enough Ikpeazu‘s million pound old firm move never materialised. He’s away to Wycombe Wanderers.
That's another 2 league goals a season striker gone, how will they ever replace such talent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Maybe Levein is still scouting for them. Certainly got an eye for strikers who don't score many.
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Ikpeazu and Adebayo Akinfenwa as a front two will strike fear into every burger van in the English Championship next season :panic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
PSON, pay sometimes or neverQuote:
Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales
If I win euro millions tonight maybe I should just take a six month rental on the remainder of that site and renew it annually and allocate free of charge and as I see fit to lower league teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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You heard it here first folks !!
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