The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by Fanforlife

One of the Hibs experts on Keekback ,who supposedly has an in at The Rangers posted earlier today that he has a friend who is an ex teammate of Jack Ross who was telling him that Jack Ross told him that Hibs are in a very bad way,meat and drink for the obsessed overby i suppose, Dingles R Us would be a better name for Keekback!!

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That's it then, we're finished, an insider at the other club that went bust has access to all the key information at Hibs, but obviously never seen it coming at his own club the now defunct Glasgow rangers.

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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

Just posted this on the Legal Challenge thread.

This needed to be copied for all to see. This needs to be circulated to all - a perfect summary of where we are at the moment. Scottish Football is in meltdown all because of one person and her incompetence.

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That Leckie piece is excellent. I feel a statement coming in response :agree:

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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

Just posted this on the Legal Challenge thread.

This needed to be copied for all to see. This needs to be circulated to all - a perfect summary of where we are at the moment. Scottish Football is in meltdown all because of one person and her incompetence.

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Who is he talking about at the start of his article?

Not for the first time that is a fantastic article by Bill Leckie and to me a totally accurate summary of the shambles.

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Originally Posted by NC1875

Bill Leckie gets it spot on in his piece in the Sun today.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...w-bill-leckie/

Hopefully the arbitration panel see it the same way. This is the most sense I’ve read from anyone in the media regarding this whole shambles

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Leckie gets it spot on, I'll be using this article when I'm asked down here to explain how Scottish football got into it's latest mess.



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Originally Posted by Viva_Palmeiras

i particularly dislike the insinuation that their sacrifice was greater than others. They demean they battalion, their club and themselves when they do so

There was a shinty club from up North that was decemated BBC Scotland featured a play that was written about them. hearts were not the only ones impacted. And as we know other football teams were impacted. A big part of a generation of Leithers were wiped out in the Gretna rail disaster. All loss of life in such circumstance is tragic.

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:agree:

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Who is he talking about at the start of his article?

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Craig Gordon

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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew

Craig Gordon

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs

Yes 10,000 seasons is approximately £4 million in income. We must be in a bad way. Then there is the shirt sales...

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It's actually nearer £2.5 million, but your point is still valid.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Who is he talking about at the start of his article?

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Craig Gordon?

Tom English and the other maroon sycophants should be challenged to respond on this and the informative article on the BBC website about the huge challenges in scheduling the fixtures this season.

Any hurried reconstruction that increased the number of top flight games was always a nonsense.

So what Hearts wanted was to cancel relegation and promotion. The questions they have to answer are these:

1. If relegation is so unfair, how is it less unfair to deny Dundee Utd promotion?
2. If you cancel relegation and promotion how on earth can you still say that Celtc are champions?
3. Given that the league rules have been implemented as usual, relegated clubs are already compensated with parachute payments, and all clubs have been severely impacted by this crisis, on what grounds can they possibly claim additional compensation?

Posted by Firsttimecaller on Kickback. He won’t last long in there.


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I'm aware this is an essay, but nevermind!

It’s come to the point where I feel I can’t stand by any more. A reality check needs to kick-in at some point here.

At the time when the league was suspended, Hearts were bottom. They were beaten 1-0 by St Mirren in a game which the vast majority of Hearts supporters, and everyone else, had labelled as “must win”. Hearts didn’t win this game, and were therefore four points adrift at the bottom of the table with eight games to play. Hearts had won four games all season. The performance at St Mirren was described variously as “meek”, “insipid” and “lacking threat”. Hearts nearest rivals for relegation were unbeaten in their last five home matches and had kept clean sheets in four of those.

Hearts supporters shared the view that, from a sporting point of view, they were the worst team in the league. On 14th March, under the title of “At What point Did You Think Our Season Was Doomed?”, various posters on JKB acknowledged how poor Hearts were. Saughton Jambo, who has recently been noticeably vocal around fairness with regards to the Court of Session case, pointed out “This is worse than the 80-81 season [when Hearts were relegated]. We had an excuse back then... we don’t now”. Stan pointed out that “Going 3 down to Killie after the break … was the last chance to turn the corner and finish the season well”. Famous 1874 said that “It’s hard to say when we were doomed as we’ve been s***e all season bar a handful of results”. In a poll on the 14th March on JKB, 12.8% of Hearts own fans acknowledged that they deserved to be relegated.

From a sporting perspective, Hearts were the worst football team in the league. In the match thread following the St Mirren defeat, the overall mood was disappointment and acknowledgment of how poor a team they were. In that match thread, Fozzyonthefence noted prior to the defeat “Lose on Wednesday and we’re down. I think you’re the only person on here that doesn’t think that” in response to a poster suggesting they could stay up. JimmyCant pointed out that “We’ve got 5 key games left … We’ll need to win 4 out of those 5. That’s becoming a big ask the more you look at it.” Bear in mind, this is a Hearts team that had won four times all season.

On sporting merit, Hearts deserved to be relegated.

There is also the worrying trend emerging around Hearts supporters expressly hoping for negative outcomes for other clubs whilst at the same time becoming noticeably vocal around the concept of fairness. There is the startling example of the post on the aforementioned St Mirren matchday thread of a poster highlighting how funny it would be to beat St Mirren, sending them bottom, and then for the season to be called due to COVID19. I’m fairly certain the poster in question has had this particular post copy/pasted several times, and so I’ll spare them the reminder of it. This schadenfreude has now been replaced by hoping that other clubs go into administration, seemingly based on the assumption that they “voted against Hearts” in order to relegate them.

Throughout various threads, numerous assertions have been made as to which clubs people would like to go into administration. The thread titled “Administration” from 26th June notes that some fans believe that “quite a few” will suffer this fate and that Hearts should “Get that interdict served ASAP”. Amongst others, Dundee, Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton and Albion Rovers are all named as clubs that posters hope enter administration, a process which results in numerous job losses and can end in financial hardship for ordinary employees. It’s noteworthy that several of these clubs were Hearts rivals within the bottom six of the league.Thank goodness for the few comments of common sense on such matters, notably Sassenach, who said “I've suffered admin events … It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on any fellow football fans”. Some things surely transcend sport.

The matter of finance also comes into play in issue. Hearts suffered a previous administration event, ultimately leading to their relegation in the 2010s. This was caused largely by financial mismanagement. Within their list of creditors, Hearts included fellow football clubs Ayr United, Livingston, Musselburgh Athletic, Stenhousemuir and Rangers. They also owed monies to a variety of public bodies, including the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Water and Scottish Police Authority. There are no winners in administration events. Supporter boycotts of all clubs who voted against Hearts league reconstruction proposals have been widely mentioned online.

To a significant extent, supporters of other clubs (the Pie & Bovril forum is a marker of this) do sympathise with the situation in which Hearts currently find themselves, but many have expressed a significant distaste for the sense of entitlement being displayed. Under the JKB thread of “Wigan Go Into Administration”, posters note that there may be “decent freebies to be had” and that this is “karma for Webstergate”. The irony and understanding of the concept of karma and justice for perceived previous wrongdoings is an interesting one.

Similarly, the suggestion that Dundee United are a target of Hearts fans’ dislike appears to be an interesting perspective. Taken from the thread last week on JKB “I Used To Post On Here About Liking Dundee Utd”, Salad Fingers notes that he/she “recently developed a strong hatred of them and their fans”. The supposed crime committed by Dundee United is defending themselves and their promotion in the Court of Session and being asked to pay £50,000 for the privilege.

The thread posted this morning on JKB titled “Merging Clubs” highlights and reinforces the prevailing sense of entitlement amongst posters on the site, perhaps representative of the wider Hearts support. The assertion from Space Pirate that there are “far too many wee diddy clubs” and that clubs should merge underlines the contempt in which other clubs in Scotland are held.

As it stands, the hugely successful Foundation of Hearts brings circa £2M into the club each year from fans and it has been revealed that James Anderson has acted as a benefactor over recent times. During this time, Hearts have spent £17M on a main stand within Tynecastle and this is yet to be fully completed. During the recent Court of Session case, various figures of compensation have been raised and noted, both on JKB and within the Scottish media. It has been suggested that Hearts are seeking compensation and damages in the region of £8M.

Following on from the Court of Session hearing, Hearts supporters are seemingly painting the club, and Ann Budge in particular, as champions of justice, noting that there is a crucial role to be played in fighting corruption. Indeed, it has been suggested that Ann Budge previously stepped down from her role on the SPFL Board as she wanted to challenge the corruption that she saw. Reporting of the matter would seem to indicate otherwise - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...l-board-583624

Throughout this process since March, there has been much play with regards to revisionism. The term relegated has been replaced with expelled, for instance. Interestingly, manager Daniel Stendal’s contract reputably had a clause allowing it’s termination in the event of relegation, as confirmed by both Ann Budge and Daniel Stendal. This clause was enacted. The tone and portrayal of Ann Budge has shifted too. Compare the descriptions with regards to her perceived leadership skills that were expressed on JKB during January and February to now.

Before Hearts continue to fall further down the rabbit hole of blaming other people, clubs and institutions, perhaps the blame needs to lie closer to home.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Posted by Firsttimecaller on Kickback. He won’t last long in there.


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I'm aware this is an essay, but nevermind!

It’s come to the point where I feel I can’t stand by any more. A reality check needs to kick-in at some point here.

At the time when the league was suspended, Hearts were bottom. They were beaten 1-0 by St Mirren in a game which the vast majority of Hearts supporters, and everyone else, had labelled as “must win”. Hearts didn’t win this game, and were therefore four points adrift at the bottom of the table with eight games to play. Hearts had won four games all season. The performance at St Mirren was described variously as “meek”, “insipid” and “lacking threat”. Hearts nearest rivals for relegation were unbeaten in their last five home matches and had kept clean sheets in four of those.

Hearts supporters shared the view that, from a sporting point of view, they were the worst team in the league. On 14th March, under the title of “At What point Did You Think Our Season Was Doomed?”, various posters on JKB acknowledged how poor Hearts were. Saughton Jambo, who has recently been noticeably vocal around fairness with regards to the Court of Session case, pointed out “This is worse than the 80-81 season [when Hearts were relegated]. We had an excuse back then... we don’t now”. Stan pointed out that “Going 3 down to Killie after the break … was the last chance to turn the corner and finish the season well”. Famous 1874 said that “It’s hard to say when we were doomed as we’ve been s***e all season bar a handful of results”. In a poll on the 14th March on JKB, 12.8% of Hearts own fans acknowledged that they deserved to be relegated.

From a sporting perspective, Hearts were the worst football team in the league. In the match thread following the St Mirren defeat, the overall mood was disappointment and acknowledgment of how poor a team they were. In that match thread, Fozzyonthefence noted prior to the defeat “Lose on Wednesday and we’re down. I think you’re the only person on here that doesn’t think that” in response to a poster suggesting they could stay up. JimmyCant pointed out that “We’ve got 5 key games left … We’ll need to win 4 out of those 5. That’s becoming a big ask the more you look at it.” Bear in mind, this is a Hearts team that had won four times all season.

On sporting merit, Hearts deserved to be relegated.

There is also the worrying trend emerging around Hearts supporters expressly hoping for negative outcomes for other clubs whilst at the same time becoming noticeably vocal around the concept of fairness. There is the startling example of the post on the aforementioned St Mirren matchday thread of a poster highlighting how funny it would be to beat St Mirren, sending them bottom, and then for the season to be called due to COVID19. I’m fairly certain the poster in question has had this particular post copy/pasted several times, and so I’ll spare them the reminder of it. This schadenfreude has now been replaced by hoping that other clubs go into administration, seemingly based on the assumption that they “voted against Hearts” in order to relegate them.

Throughout various threads, numerous assertions have been made as to which clubs people would like to go into administration. The thread titled “Administration” from 26th June notes that some fans believe that “quite a few” will suffer this fate and that Hearts should “Get that interdict served ASAP”. Amongst others, Dundee, Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton and Albion Rovers are all named as clubs that posters hope enter administration, a process which results in numerous job losses and can end in financial hardship for ordinary employees. It’s noteworthy that several of these clubs were Hearts rivals within the bottom six of the league.Thank goodness for the few comments of common sense on such matters, notably Sassenach, who said “I've suffered admin events … It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on any fellow football fans”. Some things surely transcend sport.

The matter of finance also comes into play in issue. Hearts suffered a previous administration event, ultimately leading to their relegation in the 2010s. This was caused largely by financial mismanagement. Within their list of creditors, Hearts included fellow football clubs Ayr United, Livingston, Musselburgh Athletic, Stenhousemuir and Rangers. They also owed monies to a variety of public bodies, including the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Water and Scottish Police Authority. There are no winners in administration events. Supporter boycotts of all clubs who voted against Hearts league reconstruction proposals have been widely mentioned online.

To a significant extent, supporters of other clubs (the Pie & Bovril forum is a marker of this) do sympathise with the situation in which Hearts currently find themselves, but many have expressed a significant distaste for the sense of entitlement being displayed. Under the JKB thread of “Wigan Go Into Administration”, posters note that there may be “decent freebies to be had” and that this is “karma for Webstergate”. The irony and understanding of the concept of karma and justice for perceived previous wrongdoings is an interesting one.

Similarly, the suggestion that Dundee United are a target of Hearts fans’ dislike appears to be an interesting perspective. Taken from the thread last week on JKB “I Used To Post On Here About Liking Dundee Utd”, Salad Fingers notes that he/she “recently developed a strong hatred of them and their fans”. The supposed crime committed by Dundee United is defending themselves and their promotion in the Court of Session and being asked to pay £50,000 for the privilege.

The thread posted this morning on JKB titled “Merging Clubs” highlights and reinforces the prevailing sense of entitlement amongst posters on the site, perhaps representative of the wider Hearts support. The assertion from Space Pirate that there are “far too many wee diddy clubs” and that clubs should merge underlines the contempt in which other clubs in Scotland are held.

As it stands, the hugely successful Foundation of Hearts brings circa £2M into the club each year from fans and it has been revealed that James Anderson has acted as a benefactor over recent times. During this time, Hearts have spent £17M on a main stand within Tynecastle and this is yet to be fully completed. During the recent Court of Session case, various figures of compensation have been raised and noted, both on JKB and within the Scottish media. It has been suggested that Hearts are seeking compensation and damages in the region of £8M.

Following on from the Court of Session hearing, Hearts supporters are seemingly painting the club, and Ann Budge in particular, as champions of justice, noting that there is a crucial role to be played in fighting corruption. Indeed, it has been suggested that Ann Budge previously stepped down from her role on the SPFL Board as she wanted to challenge the corruption that she saw. Reporting of the matter would seem to indicate otherwise - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...l-board-583624

Throughout this process since March, there has been much play with regards to revisionism. The term relegated has been replaced with expelled, for instance. Interestingly, manager Daniel Stendal’s contract reputably had a clause allowing it’s termination in the event of relegation, as confirmed by both Ann Budge and Daniel Stendal. This clause was enacted. The tone and portrayal of Ann Budge has shifted too. Compare the descriptions with regards to her perceived leadership skills that were expressed on JKB during January and February to now.

Before Hearts continue to fall further down the rabbit hole of blaming other people, clubs and institutions, perhaps the blame needs to lie closer to home.


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That is utterly brilliant and all very true. Surely he/she's been punted

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Originally Posted by Since452

That is utterly brilliant and all very true. Surely he/she's been punted

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He/she will be getting abuse for the rest of the day.[emoji23]


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Posted by Firsttimecaller on Kickback. He won’t last long in there.


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I'm aware this is an essay, but nevermind!

It’s come to the point where I feel I can’t stand by any more. A reality check needs to kick-in at some point here.

At the time when the league was suspended, Hearts were bottom. They were beaten 1-0 by St Mirren in a game which the vast majority of Hearts supporters, and everyone else, had labelled as “must win”. Hearts didn’t win this game, and were therefore four points adrift at the bottom of the table with eight games to play. Hearts had won four games all season. The performance at St Mirren was described variously as “meek”, “insipid” and “lacking threat”. Hearts nearest rivals for relegation were unbeaten in their last five home matches and had kept clean sheets in four of those.

Hearts supporters shared the view that, from a sporting point of view, they were the worst team in the league. On 14th March, under the title of “At What point Did You Think Our Season Was Doomed?”, various posters on JKB acknowledged how poor Hearts were. Saughton Jambo, who has recently been noticeably vocal around fairness with regards to the Court of Session case, pointed out “This is worse than the 80-81 season [when Hearts were relegated]. We had an excuse back then... we don’t now”. Stan pointed out that “Going 3 down to Killie after the break … was the last chance to turn the corner and finish the season well”. Famous 1874 said that “It’s hard to say when we were doomed as we’ve been s***e all season bar a handful of results”. In a poll on the 14th March on JKB, 12.8% of Hearts own fans acknowledged that they deserved to be relegated.

From a sporting perspective, Hearts were the worst football team in the league. In the match thread following the St Mirren defeat, the overall mood was disappointment and acknowledgment of how poor a team they were. In that match thread, Fozzyonthefence noted prior to the defeat “Lose on Wednesday and we’re down. I think you’re the only person on here that doesn’t think that” in response to a poster suggesting they could stay up. JimmyCant pointed out that “We’ve got 5 key games left … We’ll need to win 4 out of those 5. That’s becoming a big ask the more you look at it.” Bear in mind, this is a Hearts team that had won four times all season.

On sporting merit, Hearts deserved to be relegated.

There is also the worrying trend emerging around Hearts supporters expressly hoping for negative outcomes for other clubs whilst at the same time becoming noticeably vocal around the concept of fairness. There is the startling example of the post on the aforementioned St Mirren matchday thread of a poster highlighting how funny it would be to beat St Mirren, sending them bottom, and then for the season to be called due to COVID19. I’m fairly certain the poster in question has had this particular post copy/pasted several times, and so I’ll spare them the reminder of it. This schadenfreude has now been replaced by hoping that other clubs go into administration, seemingly based on the assumption that they “voted against Hearts” in order to relegate them.

Throughout various threads, numerous assertions have been made as to which clubs people would like to go into administration. The thread titled “Administration” from 26th June notes that some fans believe that “quite a few” will suffer this fate and that Hearts should “Get that interdict served ASAP”. Amongst others, Dundee, Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton and Albion Rovers are all named as clubs that posters hope enter administration, a process which results in numerous job losses and can end in financial hardship for ordinary employees. It’s noteworthy that several of these clubs were Hearts rivals within the bottom six of the league.Thank goodness for the few comments of common sense on such matters, notably Sassenach, who said “I've suffered admin events … It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on any fellow football fans”. Some things surely transcend sport.

The matter of finance also comes into play in issue. Hearts suffered a previous administration event, ultimately leading to their relegation in the 2010s. This was caused largely by financial mismanagement. Within their list of creditors, Hearts included fellow football clubs Ayr United, Livingston, Musselburgh Athletic, Stenhousemuir and Rangers. They also owed monies to a variety of public bodies, including the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Water and Scottish Police Authority. There are no winners in administration events. Supporter boycotts of all clubs who voted against Hearts league reconstruction proposals have been widely mentioned online.

To a significant extent, supporters of other clubs (the Pie & Bovril forum is a marker of this) do sympathise with the situation in which Hearts currently find themselves, but many have expressed a significant distaste for the sense of entitlement being displayed. Under the JKB thread of “Wigan Go Into Administration”, posters note that there may be “decent freebies to be had” and that this is “karma for Webstergate”. The irony and understanding of the concept of karma and justice for perceived previous wrongdoings is an interesting one.

Similarly, the suggestion that Dundee United are a target of Hearts fans’ dislike appears to be an interesting perspective. Taken from the thread last week on JKB “I Used To Post On Here About Liking Dundee Utd”, Salad Fingers notes that he/she “recently developed a strong hatred of them and their fans”. The supposed crime committed by Dundee United is defending themselves and their promotion in the Court of Session and being asked to pay £50,000 for the privilege.

The thread posted this morning on JKB titled “Merging Clubs” highlights and reinforces the prevailing sense of entitlement amongst posters on the site, perhaps representative of the wider Hearts support. The assertion from Space Pirate that there are “far too many wee diddy clubs” and that clubs should merge underlines the contempt in which other clubs in Scotland are held.

As it stands, the hugely successful Foundation of Hearts brings circa £2M into the club each year from fans and it has been revealed that James Anderson has acted as a benefactor over recent times. During this time, Hearts have spent £17M on a main stand within Tynecastle and this is yet to be fully completed. During the recent Court of Session case, various figures of compensation have been raised and noted, both on JKB and within the Scottish media. It has been suggested that Hearts are seeking compensation and damages in the region of £8M.

Following on from the Court of Session hearing, Hearts supporters are seemingly painting the club, and Ann Budge in particular, as champions of justice, noting that there is a crucial role to be played in fighting corruption. Indeed, it has been suggested that Ann Budge previously stepped down from her role on the SPFL Board as she wanted to challenge the corruption that she saw. Reporting of the matter would seem to indicate otherwise - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...l-board-583624

Throughout this process since March, there has been much play with regards to revisionism. The term relegated has been replaced with expelled, for instance. Interestingly, manager Daniel Stendal’s contract reputably had a clause allowing it’s termination in the event of relegation, as confirmed by both Ann Budge and Daniel Stendal. This clause was enacted. The tone and portrayal of Ann Budge has shifted too. Compare the descriptions with regards to her perceived leadership skills that were expressed on JKB during January and February to now.

Before Hearts continue to fall further down the rabbit hole of blaming other people, clubs and institutions, perhaps the blame needs to lie closer to home.


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Well said that Hibee, they will be spitting feathers and that poster will now have been punted

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Originally Posted by Since452

That is utterly brilliant and all very true. Surely he/she's been punted

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The problem here is that someone is trying to talk some sense into the maroon balloons. A truly thankless and pointless task.

The only response to Hearts is to stick your fingers in your ears and say LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU over and over until the sound of their bleating fades away. It will eventually - the top flight will kick off again soon, we will be back to talking about football, and no one will miss Hearts very much.

The noise will increase again when it’s semi final time, but all we can do is beat them and send them away with new grievances to complain about.

In short: f*** Hearts, I’m bored of them.

That was awesome 👏 someone spent a lot of time and effort in putting that together. The quotes really underpin their perceived ‘big’ club hypocrisy while displaying their small insular club mentality.

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

That was awesome 👏 someone spent a lot of time and effort in putting that together. The quotes really underpin their perceived ‘big’ club hypocrisy while displaying their small insular club mentality.

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It’s outstanding. The fact they’ve backed up every point along the way makes it very hard to counter.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

That Leckie piece is excellent. I feel a statement coming in response :agree:

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Was just thinking the same as I read the article...and you can be sure Budge's rambling response will be at least double the length of Leckie's laser-sharp piece.

He will be abused relentlessly for that. No matter how much of a reasoned argument that is he will already have been tagged as a bitter, spoon burning, vermin. 5-1 and all that

I thought this part of Bill Leckie's article really sums it up...

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"As if this wasn’t heavy-handed enough, Budge then nicked Robbie Neilson from Tannadice as her new manager — a hefty investment which, along with the deal to bring Gordon in from Celtic, is an almighty boot in the stones for every employee forced into a drop in wages when Budge pleaded poverty."


"I know Jambos fans will be sick of reading this, maybe even as sick as I am of writing it, but it has to be put on record that, despite dominating the headlines for pretty much all of these 115 locked-down days, their club have produced not one positive, winning idea."


"Good God, even when the hugely-generous James Anderson offered a donation of millions to make sure no clubs went down the pan, all Budge had to do was introduce him to Neil Doncaster and let them shake hands, but even then she managed to turn it into a fight."
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Funnily enough, we've been saying the same things on here for weeks.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Posted by Firsttimecaller on Kickback. He won’t last long in there.


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I'm aware this is an essay, but nevermind!

It’s come to the point where I feel I can’t stand by any more. A reality check needs to kick-in at some point here.

At the time when the league was suspended, Hearts were bottom. They were beaten 1-0 by St Mirren in a game which the vast majority of Hearts supporters, and everyone else, had labelled as “must win”. Hearts didn’t win this game, and were therefore four points adrift at the bottom of the table with eight games to play. Hearts had won four games all season. The performance at St Mirren was described variously as “meek”, “insipid” and “lacking threat”. Hearts nearest rivals for relegation were unbeaten in their last five home matches and had kept clean sheets in four of those.

Hearts supporters shared the view that, from a sporting point of view, they were the worst team in the league. On 14th March, under the title of “At What point Did You Think Our Season Was Doomed?”, various posters on JKB acknowledged how poor Hearts were. Saughton Jambo, who has recently been noticeably vocal around fairness with regards to the Court of Session case, pointed out “This is worse than the 80-81 season [when Hearts were relegated]. We had an excuse back then... we don’t now”. Stan pointed out that “Going 3 down to Killie after the break … was the last chance to turn the corner and finish the season well”. Famous 1874 said that “It’s hard to say when we were doomed as we’ve been s***e all season bar a handful of results”. In a poll on the 14th March on JKB, 12.8% of Hearts own fans acknowledged that they deserved to be relegated.

From a sporting perspective, Hearts were the worst football team in the league. In the match thread following the St Mirren defeat, the overall mood was disappointment and acknowledgment of how poor a team they were. In that match thread, Fozzyonthefence noted prior to the defeat “Lose on Wednesday and we’re down. I think you’re the only person on here that doesn’t think that” in response to a poster suggesting they could stay up. JimmyCant pointed out that “We’ve got 5 key games left … We’ll need to win 4 out of those 5. That’s becoming a big ask the more you look at it.” Bear in mind, this is a Hearts team that had won four times all season.

On sporting merit, Hearts deserved to be relegated.

There is also the worrying trend emerging around Hearts supporters expressly hoping for negative outcomes for other clubs whilst at the same time becoming noticeably vocal around the concept of fairness. There is the startling example of the post on the aforementioned St Mirren matchday thread of a poster highlighting how funny it would be to beat St Mirren, sending them bottom, and then for the season to be called due to COVID19. I’m fairly certain the poster in question has had this particular post copy/pasted several times, and so I’ll spare them the reminder of it. This schadenfreude has now been replaced by hoping that other clubs go into administration, seemingly based on the assumption that they “voted against Hearts” in order to relegate them.

Throughout various threads, numerous assertions have been made as to which clubs people would like to go into administration. The thread titled “Administration” from 26th June notes that some fans believe that “quite a few” will suffer this fate and that Hearts should “Get that interdict served ASAP”. Amongst others, Dundee, Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton and Albion Rovers are all named as clubs that posters hope enter administration, a process which results in numerous job losses and can end in financial hardship for ordinary employees. It’s noteworthy that several of these clubs were Hearts rivals within the bottom six of the league.Thank goodness for the few comments of common sense on such matters, notably Sassenach, who said “I've suffered admin events … It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on any fellow football fans”. Some things surely transcend sport.

The matter of finance also comes into play in issue. Hearts suffered a previous administration event, ultimately leading to their relegation in the 2010s. This was caused largely by financial mismanagement. Within their list of creditors, Hearts included fellow football clubs Ayr United, Livingston, Musselburgh Athletic, Stenhousemuir and Rangers. They also owed monies to a variety of public bodies, including the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Water and Scottish Police Authority. There are no winners in administration events. Supporter boycotts of all clubs who voted against Hearts league reconstruction proposals have been widely mentioned online.

To a significant extent, supporters of other clubs (the Pie & Bovril forum is a marker of this) do sympathise with the situation in which Hearts currently find themselves, but many have expressed a significant distaste for the sense of entitlement being displayed. Under the JKB thread of “Wigan Go Into Administration”, posters note that there may be “decent freebies to be had” and that this is “karma for Webstergate”. The irony and understanding of the concept of karma and justice for perceived previous wrongdoings is an interesting one.

Similarly, the suggestion that Dundee United are a target of Hearts fans’ dislike appears to be an interesting perspective. Taken from the thread last week on JKB “I Used To Post On Here About Liking Dundee Utd”, Salad Fingers notes that he/she “recently developed a strong hatred of them and their fans”. The supposed crime committed by Dundee United is defending themselves and their promotion in the Court of Session and being asked to pay £50,000 for the privilege.

The thread posted this morning on JKB titled “Merging Clubs” highlights and reinforces the prevailing sense of entitlement amongst posters on the site, perhaps representative of the wider Hearts support. The assertion from Space Pirate that there are “far too many wee diddy clubs” and that clubs should merge underlines the contempt in which other clubs in Scotland are held.

As it stands, the hugely successful Foundation of Hearts brings circa £2M into the club each year from fans and it has been revealed that James Anderson has acted as a benefactor over recent times. During this time, Hearts have spent £17M on a main stand within Tynecastle and this is yet to be fully completed. During the recent Court of Session case, various figures of compensation have been raised and noted, both on JKB and within the Scottish media. It has been suggested that Hearts are seeking compensation and damages in the region of £8M.

Following on from the Court of Session hearing, Hearts supporters are seemingly painting the club, and Ann Budge in particular, as champions of justice, noting that there is a crucial role to be played in fighting corruption. Indeed, it has been suggested that Ann Budge previously stepped down from her role on the SPFL Board as she wanted to challenge the corruption that she saw. Reporting of the matter would seem to indicate otherwise - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...l-board-583624

Throughout this process since March, there has been much play with regards to revisionism. The term relegated has been replaced with expelled, for instance. Interestingly, manager Daniel Stendal’s contract reputably had a clause allowing it’s termination in the event of relegation, as confirmed by both Ann Budge and Daniel Stendal. This clause was enacted. The tone and portrayal of Ann Budge has shifted too. Compare the descriptions with regards to her perceived leadership skills that were expressed on JKB during January and February to now.

Before Hearts continue to fall further down the rabbit hole of blaming other people, clubs and institutions, perhaps the blame needs to lie closer to home.


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The seethe of Kickback about that post is hysterical, ranging from people suggesting the boy got paid to post it to the repeated assertions that he’s just bitter, cos 1-5

It’s a hoot!

Good post, by the way, whoever in here it was who did it

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It wouldn’t surprise me if he/she’s a genuine Jambo driven to desperation by the echo chamber of insanity that is Kickback. All the Jambos I’ve spoken to have a very different take on things to Saughton Jambo, Leslie Deans, and the other cardigan-wearers.

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The seethe of Kickback about that post is hysterical, ranging from people suggesting the boy got paid to post it to the repeated assertions that he’s just bitter, cos 1-5

It’s a hoot!

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the cultists will be performing mental gymnastics trying to respond to that ... he’s absolutely eviscerated them there

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It wouldn’t surprise me if he/she’s a genuine Jambo driven to desperation by the echo chamber of insanity that is Kickback. All the Jambos I’ve spoken to have a very different take on things to Saughton Jambo, Leslie Deans, and the other cardigan-wearers.

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This is a really good point. All my jambo mates are hacked off that they couldn’t finish the season, don’t like the way SPFL have gone about it but always counter this with “we only have ourselves to blame”. Kickback is a haven for complete idiots and multiply that by lockdown factor it’s a cesspit.

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He's posted again stating he's a Bonnyrigg Rose fan...and that's wound tgem up even more because they genuinely could have won the Lowland League and webbed fingered 1-5 defence cannot be rolled out.

With the release of the SPL fixture list and still nothing on the championship, it underlines what a desperate situation Hearts are in. The really did pick the very worst time to finish bottom of the league.

Imagine if it was Hibs, not knowing when, who or even if you'll be playing. Not wonder they are confused and angry.

You have to have a laugh and look at the positives though, as difficult as it is. If Championship football doesn't start till October Hearts will have gone (at least) seven months undefeated.

I for one know that there are a large number of Hibs fan members of Kickback, who have been posting quite innocently for a number of years, mostly about transfer talk, in order to get up their post tally to over 400 in order to avoid suspicion before starting the wind up just at the right time. That time is now. I hope no hearts fans are reading this and start to get really suspicious about fans with an approximate post count of 400.

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With the release of the SPL fixture list and still nothing on the championship, it underlines what a desperate situation Hearts are in. The really did pick the very worst time to finish bottom of the league.

Imagine if it was Hibs, not knowing when, who or even if you'll be playing. Not wonder they are confused and angry.

You have to have a laugh and look at the positives though, as difficult as it is. If Championship football doesn't start till October Hearts will have gone (at least) seven months undefeated.

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With the release of the SPL fixture list and still nothing on the championship, it underlines what a desperate situation Hearts are in. The really did pick the very worst time to finish bottom of the league.

Imagine if it was Hibs, not knowing when, who or even if you'll be playing. Not wonder they are confused and angry.

You have to have a laugh and look at the positives though, as difficult as it is. If Championship football doesn't start till October Hearts will have gone (at least) seven months undefeated.

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I was thinking about this. Premier league clubs will have matchday costs but no matchday income. Sure, our season ticket money is in and we have that but they will have to provide us, at some cost, with a viewing experience via media of some description.

Championship clubs will be sitting with their season ticket money and no matchday costs until October so ironically will actually save money, won’t they?

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I was thinking about this. Premier league clubs will have matchday costs but no matchday income. Sure, our season ticket money is in and we have that but they will have to provide us, at some cost, with a viewing experience via media of some description.

Championship clubs will be sitting with their season ticket money and no matchday costs until October so ironically will actually save money, won’t they?

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Hearts' expenditure is a lot higher than that of Hibs.

We'll have matchday expenses but their monthly outgoings (especially inflated salaries) will probably still be a lot more than ours.

We can also budget based on the income from the new Sky deal, knowing that we'll receive a lot more in TV and prize money over the course of the season.

They'll have to resort, as usual, to donations from fans and benefactors, instead of living within their means.

WTF is Robbie Neilson wearing on STV news tonight?!! ... ahahahaha Looks like some kind of hideous tartan corset.

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WTF is Robbie Neilson wearing on STV news tonight?!! ... ahahahaha Looks like some kind of hideous tartan corset.

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He's pulled his kilt up awfy high.

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I was thinking about this. Premier league clubs will have matchday costs but no matchday income. Sure, our season ticket money is in and we have that but they will have to provide us, at some cost, with a viewing experience via media of some description.

Championship clubs will be sitting with their season ticket money and no matchday costs until October so ironically will actually save money, won’t they?

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Hearts will only have 13 home games this season but they have guaranteed their fans 18 with their season ticket and have said that will go into next season if need be. It means their season tickets next season will be discounted big time for existing season ticket holders.


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FFS, looks the lovechild of Budge and Nicholas Fairburn 😂😂😂

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Nice suit but he's made a dugs dinner of it.

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It's Budge Dredd's suit turned inside out.

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He looks like Jimmy Carr after a rough night.

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More like Alan Carr after a good night.

Nice dig from Grant Holt.

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Nice suit?

You on the wind up? [emoji38]

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No, but it's all about personal taste I suppose.

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What a state..

🤣🤣That's the bams over on keekback got a thread up now about buying a feeder club,they just make my day ,every day.!!🤣🤣

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:agree:

Or they can go on a cup run and let ST holders into home games for free.

Absolutely catastrophic business decision from the fabled businesswoman, yet again.

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Can't even run one club properly so let's buy another one for James Anderson and his pals to keep afloat.

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Maybe they should buy FC Kaunas?

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I was thinking about this. Premier league clubs will have matchday costs but no matchday income. Sure, our season ticket money is in and we have that but they will have to provide us, at some cost, with a viewing experience via media of some description.

Championship clubs will be sitting with their season ticket money and no matchday costs until October so ironically will actually save money, won’t they?

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Top league clubs will have TV and other associated income, Hearts will be paying their squad to train for most of that, then playing in a league that, for now at least, has no TV deal.

https://twitter.com/mrs_eadie/status...646305280?s=21

Sad people.

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https://twitter.com/mrs_eadie/status...646305280?s=21

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Do you realise that that was Saughton Jambo and Leslie Deans?

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"H-E-A" and then the idiot gets stuck on what comes next. 😂😂😂

They didn’t even do anything noteworthy. Really odd

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How to Hearts a suit

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Couldn't finish it just like last seasons league

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Or they can go on a cup run and let ST holders into home games for free.

Absolutely catastrophic business decision from the fabled businesswoman, yet again.

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Could it just be recycled casual wear from when they were in their Caspian primrose special relationship building days?

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Could it just be recycled casual wear from when they were in their Caspian primrose special relationship building days?

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That genuinely makes me feel nauseous

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It could have been worse, he could have gone full on like this keen Hearts fan.

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What chest size are his strides?

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They could buy Wigan.

Benny Factor could pay off their debts at 1p in the pound, take their place in the English league and play their Colts team in the Scottish Championship.

It's what a truly big club would do.

The day after the SPFL fixtures are released and the front page sports story in the Edinburgh Evening News is:-
‘Robbie Sets His Eyes On Europe’
Beginning to think I am living in some parallel universe where the only team that matters is Hearts.

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Perhaps he’s just thinking about going on holiday.

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Europe? The only overseas trip he need worry about are the ones across the Forth, Clackmananshire and Tay Bridges

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Dry your eyes, greetin' faced clown.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ebacle-2908329

Hearts captain Steven Naismith has branded Scottish football a “laughing stock” following the fallout from the termination of the 2019/20 SPFL season.


The Scotland international is set to drop down and play in the Scottish Championship for the first time in his career.


Naismith has been far from impressed with what he has witnessed since March, from the SPFL's resolution and the Dundee vote controversy to failed league reconstruction and a legal challenge.


Hearts and Partick Thistle’s case against relegation set to begin in an independent tribunal as part of the Scottish FA’s arbitration process next week.


The 33-year-old has compared the situation to a “comedy strip” when trying to explain it to people involved in English football, and how it is a “laughing stock down there” .


“It’s been the darkest time since I’ve taken an interest in football," he told the Scottish Sun. “It’s shown up a lot of bad practice.


“The whole thing is ludicrous and a scandal. The mentality of a lot of clubs in Scotland is self-interest. For the last ten years Scottish football has been getting lower and lower in quality.”


He added: "It’s embarrassing and the way things are set up is ridiculous. You’ve got a structure that doesn’t work."


Naismith, who feels there are too many professional clubs in the country, has called on Scottish football to step out of the shadow of England and make changes which set the game on its own path.


"We’re never going to be the same as the English leagues and have the same backing, so stop trying to compare,” he said.


“We need to build something that’s different, generates good quality young players coming through academies, which will give players’ better income and is competitive year on year.


“It was such a good chance to try and build some foundations to project Scottish football in a new light but it was a missed chance again."


The player has little faith significant changes will be made, noting “there are too many people who love where they sit and have this ego of where they are”.


Even more so with relationships between clubs at an all-time low.


“It’s ironic you’ve got clubs saying they need to try to come together to pay for these legal fees," Naismith said.


"A month ago they voted to punish other teams for a competition that wasn’t even finished. Now it’s got so messy and gone to legal arbitration processes which has left club relationships up in smoke.


“Everyone is pointing the finger at each other."

Perhaps Steven Naismith could answer this question: in what way does a 14 team top flight achieve any of the changes he wants to see?

I’d love to know.

Personally, I'm laughing at English yo-yo clubs like Norwich who pay millions of pounds in wages to a player who's not good enough to get in their squad and who then shafts them for an extra £40k at the end of their contract in spite of having a new club to sign for.

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Comedy strip. Brilliant from the mind that argues less clubs as his Owner was demanding more. He's obviously not read the brief.

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Perhaps the dirty wee rat faced ******* could take a look in the mirror and ask if he could have done more to help his club last season? Was ‘injured’ for the majority of games yet was available for Scotland games?!

**** him, he’s as relevant as my next jobby.

The quality has reduced over the last ten years and you still finished bottom. Everyone is not pointing the finger at everyone else, they are pointing at you.

So I take it he’ll be brought before the authorities for his comments??....
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Another Hearts employee trotting out the bizarre line that clubs voted to punish them. Ann Budge has a lot to answer for due to her creating and repeating this line in the media simply to save her own bacon. Hearts fans are blaming everyone apart from her. They want to see other clubs suffer because they've been taken in by her deflection. She is a toxic entity in Scottish football.

I wonder what Naismith’s opinion might be on players being paid £6k per week to make 21 appearances and score 5 goals for a relegated side.

Enhancing Scottish football?

Will similar end product in the championship help or hinder Scottish football?

He’s trying to get the fans back onside with his gob, as his boots have been struggling.

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Gosh, that had me looking to see if there was a tartan scarf attached to his wrist, because the last time I saw high waisters like these the Bay City Rollers were in the charts

Naismith: Scottish football has been getting progressively worse for the past ten years.

Naismith:plays for the worst team in the Prem over a period of 18 months.

What does that say for the career of the wee runt?

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What a trumpet. Changing to a 14 team Premiership temporarily was the big chance to improve the product? Its because Hearts fans button up the back, they think everyone else does.

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Do the winners of the Tunnocks Caramel Wafer Cup not get a European spot, asking for a friend?

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Only if it’s Hearts.

Not that they’d ever ask for special treatment, you understand... it’s all about fairness and the good of the game.

Just speaking to a family who’s lad is at the Hearts academy
They had contact last night to safe it’s all secure, and hope to start up again in September
Must be the lad Anderson again, funding it

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They had contact last night to safe it’s all secure, and hope to start up again in September
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Depending on the outcome of arbitration, it will either be their benefactors or it will be you, me and every other Scottish football supporter.

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Personally, I'm laughing at English yo-yo clubs like Norwich who pay millions of pounds in wages to a player who's not good enough to get in their squad and who then shafts them for an extra £40k at the end of their contract in spite of having a new club to sign for.

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To be fair, Norwich aren't really known for that at all. Actually a very well run club and have been for years. Naismith is a rare mistake from them.

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“There’s too many professional teams in Scotland. We should add 2 more.”

Who’s the laughing stock?

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

“There’s too many professional teams in Scotland. We should add 2 more.”

Who’s the laughing stock?

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Had a wee chuckle at that too.

Would be nice if the occasional journalist questioned the drivel they are being told at times.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I heard Hibs are now aiming for the same.[emoji106]


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Things moving fast now

Naismith is an utter *****

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Had a wee chuckle at that too.

Would be nice if the occasional journalist questioned the drivel they are being told at times.

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It amazes me how they don’t ask the basics and trip folk up with their contradictions.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

It amazes me how they don’t ask the basics and trip folk up with their contradictions.

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I get that they need to protect their relationship and don’t want to make the player look stupid.

If there’s a clear contradiction though, either ask them to explain it further or if they’re too stupid to be able to do that then don’t print the contradiction, leave that part out.

Shouldn’t be as simple as asking players for quotes and just putting it to print without question.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Dry your eyes, greetin' faced clown.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ebacle-2908329

Hearts captain Steven Naismith has branded Scottish football a “laughing stock” following the fallout from the termination of the 2019/20 SPFL season.


The Scotland international is set to drop down and play in the Scottish Championship for the first time in his career.


Naismith has been far from impressed with what he has witnessed since March, from the SPFL's resolution and the Dundee vote controversy to failed league reconstruction and a legal challenge.


Hearts and Partick Thistle’s case against relegation set to begin in an independent tribunal as part of the Scottish FA’s arbitration process next week.


The 33-year-old has compared the situation to a “comedy strip” when trying to explain it to people involved in English football, and how it is a “laughing stock down there” .


“It’s been the darkest time since I’ve taken an interest in football," he told the Scottish Sun. “It’s shown up a lot of bad practice.


“The whole thing is ludicrous and a scandal. The mentality of a lot of clubs in Scotland is self-interest. For the last ten years Scottish football has been getting lower and lower in quality.”


He added: "It’s embarrassing and the way things are set up is ridiculous. You’ve got a structure that doesn’t work."


Naismith, who feels there are too many professional clubs in the country, has called on Scottish football to step out of the shadow of England and make changes which set the game on its own path.


"We’re never going to be the same as the English leagues and have the same backing, so stop trying to compare,” he said.


“We need to build something that’s different, generates good quality young players coming through academies, which will give players’ better income and is competitive year on year.


“It was such a good chance to try and build some foundations to project Scottish football in a new light but it was a missed chance again."


The player has little faith significant changes will be made, noting “there are too many people who love where they sit and have this ego of where they are”.


Even more so with relationships between clubs at an all-time low.


“It’s ironic you’ve got clubs saying they need to try to come together to pay for these legal fees," Naismith said.


"A month ago they voted to punish other teams for a competition that wasn’t even finished. Now it’s got so messy and gone to legal arbitration processes which has left club relationships up in smoke.


“Everyone is pointing the finger at each other."

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HTF an ex Rangers player with an EBT can come out with that complete garbage is quite simply staggering.

“It’s been the darkest time since I’ve taken an interest in football,"

Just get tae you moron

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

“There’s too many professional teams in Scotland. We should add 2 more.”

Who’s the laughing stock?

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I can't understand how an employee of Hearts has the audacity to claim there is too much self interest in Scottish football when all his club are focused on is their own self interest. Why are hour journalists not asking basic questions or challenging these things?

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Originally Posted by Iain G

I can't understand how an employee of Hearts has the audacity to claim there is too much self interest in Scottish football when all his club are focused on is their own self interest. Why are hour journalists not asking basic questions or challenging these things?

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The journalism has been weak and pathetic with the odd exception like Bill Leckie