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I would disagree - you asked what's the point of getting the vaccine if you have already had covid ? - the point is that you could get it again AND also put others at risk so you reduce the risk by taking theQuote:
Originally Posted by Casey1875
vaccine .. or do you disagree that taking the vaccine reduces the risk of getting it again ?
That will now have to change for footballers in SPFL, if they want to be in a stadium with more than 10’000 people they will now need to get vaccinated, can’t be one rule for the fans and another for the players and staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
A vaccine passport does not state that the holder does not have covid. It merely confirms the holder would have had the vaccine as I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not In The Know
A driving license states that the holder has passed the required driving test and is safe to drive a vehicle on the road.
Two entirely different scenarios.
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Originally Posted by Not In The Know
Do you have to carry your driving license in Scotland when you get in a car, news to me. I have been double vaxxed so comply with that but I don't want to carry medical details with me. You need to prove you have a licence if caught doing wrong. Just like wearing a mask it is done by trust between Govt and Citizen and then dealt with when the trust breaks down.
Why don't you want to carry a vaccine passport? If it is on the grounds of 'I don't want my data being tracked', then yes, quite frankly that is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
If not, then I'd be genuinely interested to hear the reasons why.
How bizarre that fans will be asked to provide a passport to get in to a stadium to watch the majority of players who will be anti vaxxers, I just hope the folk who are saying people are being selfish for not getting vaccinated will be refusing to go to games to watch players who are refusing to get the jabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
What’s your stance on going to watch players who won’t be vaccinated ?Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
It is a legal requirement to carry your drivers licence, insurance certificate and test certificate (if relevant) with you in a vehicle. However, the law acknowledges that this is not always possible. As a result, the system where the police issue you with a form requiring you to produce these documents at an elected police station within seven days evolved. In actual fact all of these items can now be checked up on at the roadside by the police over computer records. Nonetheless, the legal requirement is still there and the police can stop any driver to require these documents, at any time, without any offence having been committed and without any other justification required to stop your vehicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
They have passed a test - that doesn't mean they are safe to drive. My grandad was still driving at 90 and believe me, there is no way he would have passed his test again if he'd had to sit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibs
A vaccine passport however will show you have put yourself in the best position to ensure you do not spread covid to others.
The players won't be sitting next to me though. FWIW I think clubs should do more to push players but the issue is those in the ground infecting others - the players aren't going to be doing that so it doesn't really hold as an argument about restricting fan access.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Out of interest, where are people actually getting that the players are anti vaxxers from? Is there anywhere that actually shows this? I’ve seen photos of Newell, Gray, McGregor and Murphy getting their vaccines, I’m not expecting to see a photo of all of them or something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Those same players aren’t in close enough contact with the 15000 there to watch them to cause a mass outbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
It’s not ideal, but it’s a totally different situation. To add to that, most of the players have had it from what I’ve heard.
On what evidence can we suggests thy “the majority of players” or any players, for that matter, refuse to be vaccinated?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Whether they are or not is a matter for themselves and for that very reason it is impossible to suggest players, per se, are against vaccination.
The rules will decided whether or not they have to prove it in the future but not to you and me. The information will, correctly, stay confidential
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Originally Posted by neil7908
Despite my having having had two jabs I believe I can still catch covid and pass it on to those without jabs and those with jabs. I think what the jabs do is put 'yourself' in the 'best position' of not falling severely ill or being hospitalised if catching it.
I've had the jabs but find it a bit nonsensical that I have to show a 'passport' to demonstrate to strangers that I have if I want to attend events despite my being able to pass it on similarly to folk who decided for their own personal reason that they don't want to be jabbed.
All imo of course.
The vaccine passport is more about showing that you’re much less dangerous to the other 9999 people in the 10000 crowd. Not that you are safe personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibs
It’s more about showing you’re doing your bit to protect others than yourself.
There are quite a few medical conditions that you are better carrying details of,i have cards in wallet at all times in regards to taking warfarin, having Asthma and C.O.P.D,so given you say you dont want to carry medical records with you then i assume that you wouldn't carry those i mention either?Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Surely almost 100% of car accidents are caused by people with licences? It shows you've passed a test. Many people are still unsafe drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibs
What has this got to do with vaccine passports?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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Originally Posted by calumhibee1
This is what it keeps coming back to time and time again. Personal freedom versus responsibility to others. As I've said in an earlier post, your freedom ends the moment in infringes on someone else. And whilst we all know you can still pass on Covid whilst vaccinated, the chances are much lower.
Reasonable opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Read the post I've quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibs
The one thing that confuses me is the group of people who, on medical grounds, are unable to get vaccinated. Are they not also likely to be the ones that are most at risk of catching covid? In which case are they also not be the same group of people least likely to want to be in a large crowd, like at a football match?
Same with the people who are claiming they can't wear masks, should they be going into crowded supermarkets? Surely they should get someone else to help them by doing the shopping.
I suppose what I'm saying is that people who genuinely can't get vaccinated are unlikely to be going to the football.
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Originally Posted by CentreLine
Learn something new every day. My understanding is that it is a recommendation not a requirement. Very different and gives the element of choice I want
What about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Does having a seatbelt on possibly reduce the chance of getting into an accident? Is there a chance that having been in an accident without a seatbelt may provide you with the same safety net of a seatbelt the next time?Quote:
Originally Posted by SQHib
As I said earlier I'm doing the antibody trial just now if that shows a drop I might get it, if I'm showing as having them then I'm certainly less likely to get it.
No. Written in to the Road Traffic Act and carries a penalty for non compliance. Every driver is aware of that when they sit their test but we all forget stuff. Common practice is not to carry these things in the car but it is a legal requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
I agree about the mask wearing but I guess there will be people with allergies to ingredients within the vaccines that wouldn’t necessarily be at any more risk if they caught covid but would from the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
As harsh as it sounds, I wouldn't be giving such people an exemption from these rules as they are a risk to everyone else.
So you are okay with crowds over 10k having to be double vaccinated but you just don't want us to have to carry the evidence of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
It seems many are quite content to have the accident and hope the seatbelt saves them but seem unwilling to allow others who don't wear a seatbelt, can't wear a seatbelt or refuse to prove they have wore one to also take part for fear of making the accident more dangerous. They will all then presumably stop entering into contact with any other drivers for 10 days after the organised accident for fear of a mass pile up as they are not selfish of course and are all thinking about the wider societal implications. Meanwhile those under the age of being allowed to drive can walk out in front of all the cars as that is apparently not a problem as can those who can't wear a seatbelt for medical reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey1875
The big question of course is, are the new rules about making people get vaccines or stopping the spread. I suspect a bit of both but the former is the driving force as you would simply stop attendance at the events if you were than bothered about the virus spreading.
We had been hoping that this would have changed under the new restrictions but unfortunately not. With many players in Scotland still awaiting vaccination, or their second dose, the JRG have advised that Red Zones need to continue to exist until the football department are double dosed and a Test to Release programme is made live by Government.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
That was posted by the fans rep about 10 days a go, what’s holding players back from getting vaccinated, they have had plenty time to get it, if they haven’t had by now then they have obviously decided not to get it, the best time would have been over the summer break to get it, a number of managers have also spoken out about in England that players are refusing to get vaccinated, can’t be one rule for us and another with players, we should all be in this together, I have said this before, Government’s have bent over backwards to let football go ahead during this pandemic, they should be leaning on Football Association’s to do more to help people to get vaccinated, good on Hibs showing us McGregor Murphy Gray getting it, may encourage more people to get it, but “Role Model” players could be doing more.