Hurrah! Love this. Projected onto parliament earlier this week, a new campaign: ‘Demand police action on Brexit crimes @UKdemocracy999’
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Hurrah! Love this. Projected onto parliament earlier this week, a new campaign: ‘Demand police action on Brexit crimes @UKdemocracy999’
(Sound on!)
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Corbyn’s reaction to Johnson wanting an election
Sums it up very well “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Labour's position still unresolved, as is the SNP's I think. PoliticsHome website reports a furious row between Seamus Milne and Nick Brown (Lab's chief whip).Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The government are bringing another FTPA vote (requiring 2/3 majority) on Monday. No doubt after a weekend of relentless Tory Corbyn-baiting. :rolleyes:
The latest date for parliament to agree a pre-Oct 31 election is next Thursday before prorogation kicks in.
Johnson currently doing a speech against a backdrop of police. Going full on for the authoritarian vote. :rolleyes:
Meanwhile rumours that Amber Rudd might be about to resign.
He should send them round to Brussels, give them a good kicking, make them see sense. Good old Bathtoy!Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Johnson says he'd rather be "dead in a ditch"* than ask for another extension. If that's not a reason to go long on an election date, I don't know what is?
* of course, he also promised to "Lie down in front of the bulldozers" to stop Heathrow expansion and then mysteriously couldn't even manage to drag his sorry arse to Westminster to vote against it. So maybe he's just a lying *****bag, who can say? :dunno:
Of all the rhetorical questions I have read on here that's in the top 3Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Looks like Corbyn has agreed to force him to ask for the extension.
It really would be foolish to give him a way out.
Won't scan well in an election though. "You had one job, that was to get us out by 31/10 and you couldn't even do that."Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
What I don't understand is the need for a Queen's speech (and the extended prorogation of parliament) given that the government no longer have a working majority and we're almost certain to have a general election before the end of November.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Yes, Corbyn need only hand Bozo enough rope then stand back. Don't grant him a general election before the Brexit deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Can’t quite grasp why they are not planning a vote of no confidence in Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I can only think of two possible reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
1, They think they can force Johnson to break his Halloween deadline to leave the EU, thus destroying the basis of his premiership. Leave Bozo to deal with the impossible issue of Brexit.
2, They don't think they can win it.
Because if they win it'll force the early election that they want to avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Bojo should probably submit a motion of no confidence in himself.
There appears to have been some substance to the SNP narrative, with Corbyn and Milne apparently keen to go for an early election as they feared the SNP would leave them looking 'frit':Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
According to the Beeb:
Len McCluskey and other senior Labour figures have been concerned that the SNP would leave Labour high and dry by agreeing to an election on Monday, and making Mr Corbyn look scared.
Labour would, to an extent, be inoculated from charges of dither and delay if the whole opposition remains united.
And it now looks like the "rebel alliance" is holding, following cross-party talks at which the SNP's Westminster leader and Mr Corbyn were present.
There have been reported tensions between the SNP in Edinburgh - the party leader Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to "bring on" an early election - and the SNP at Westminster. However, senior SNP figures in London are alive to the possibility that if Mr Johnson is elected in a snap poll and goes for no-deal, the party would be open to the charge of enabling it.
That's full of ifs and buts. The tweet suggested that the SNP were willing to hand Bojo his no deal Brexit which is absolutely not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
But it won’t. No confidence doesn't trigger a general election in the first instance. It triggers a period of 14 days during which an act of confidence can be secured in an alternative government (government of national unity opportunity). Only if thst can’t be done will an election be called.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Trouble is Corbyn is insisting that only he can be that leader but he won’t get the vote.
If Labour could coalesce around someone else, they could help bring an end to the current government around a compromise leader to get througj Brexit then have an election.
Well Question Time was a car crash tonight. If that was a fair snapshot of the political situation in the UK then your all ****ed.
It was another example of how split the country is. Positions have hardened on both sides since 2016a and there is no room for compromise. The civil war over Europe that has been raging in the Tory party for thirty years has now gone nationwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Yip, I think it’s either no deal or remain now. The middle ground has gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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i'd love to know what sneaky carmichael thoughts are with a story in the Tory rag DM
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we (the SNP) are just going TOO far, if no deal fails there's no independence, again IMO...time will tell but i just don't get it. i DO understand not helping the tories to push no deal through, i DON't get trying their/our damnest to help remain win the day, indy is ******* goosed then, the support will simply not be there, i honestly think some at the top of the SNP have been getting a tad carried away at polls showing quite healthy support but the polls ultimately follow bad no-deal stories, of course there's that chance they know something i don't :greengrin but i'm glabberfasted wtf it is :confused:
Corbyn : help us get no deal and i'l give you a sect 30
SNP : aye ok braw
Corbyn to McDonnell and Abbot: well that was easy, the support won't be there to get indy2 over the line
Corbyn to Leonard : we played a blinder with you kidding on you were up in arms at me offering a sect 30 a few weeks back, it got them on board, tee hee :grr:
and relax
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hard to disagree with the 45% here :greengrin Hello Bankruptcy....followed by Tory austerity again
No deal may help initially boost support for independence but it also makes it less likely if there is the chance of a hard border between Scotland and England. And in a campaign it allows better together 2 to make all sorts of claims about border posts and tariffs. People in Scotland will not vote for any sort of border with England. At the very least the SNP need a soft brexit, preferably still in CU and SM. That way trading arrangement are already known and the border will remain as is. If UK eventually end up not leaving at all, YES still in with good chance as brexit will remain number 1 issue down south for next generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Although on your last point would that maybe be presented as a “back me or sack me” type vote that John Major triggered on his own party leadership (over Europe - big surprise).Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Different doing it in the commons though. If he goes for VONC then the opposition parties should abstain. Make his own party vote no confidence in him. It damages him in the election campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
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Had to laugh at Emily Thornberry and her plan to negotiate a deal and then campaign to remain - utterly bizarreQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If Corbyn didn't exist Thornberry alone would be enough to put you off ever voting Labour. Misplaced smugness masking a complete inability to provide a coherent explanation of her party's actual policy on all this. And yes, claiming that if Labour came into power (perish the thought) she would negotiate a new Brexit deal with the EU then campaign against what she'd just negotiated...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Brazil
In saying that, I had to switch off after about 15 minutes. I pretty much hate Question Time full stop, but thought I'd tune in to get an idea of the current 'zeitgeist'. As others have said, what a car crash. The radio presenter (can't remember his name) was correct in saying they might as well pack up and let the audience take over.
You would rather have Bozo and more Tory crony capitalism - socialism for the rich (banks) and market discipline for the poor, would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
There is nothing wrong with what Thornbury said. She accepts the 2016 referendum result whilst believing the UK is better off in the EU. That's the same position as former Tory Ken Clark and Bozo's brother Jo Johnson. She is willing to see us leave the EU but personally doesn't want it, which is my view too. It is entirely possible to do what one believes is one's duty without necessarily believe it's the right course of action. The UK referendum voted leave, we in Scotland did not, hence I am now pro-independence though I voted No in 2015. The UK voted leave so it should leave; but I have come to the conclusion that that decision is not right for Scotland; and, if you're looking to blame someone for the break up of the UK, look at Cameron, May and Johnson ad their lurch towards a right wing, bigoted English nationalism. They unleashed this vote and subsequent strategy.
Shocking, I have never known the panelists to interrupt and harangue the audience before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
This “Bring it on” from the SNP has all come from one tweet from Nichola.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
I feel this is not literally being it on right now, but in the imminent future (1/11/10).
I and she will be keenly aware of the optics of enabling a Tory hard Brexit. She ain’t daft. Which is why the Tories must stew.
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Tice is like that whatever show he's on, and whoever he's on with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Has anybody actually confirmed with the EU that they will grant another extension? Everyone seems to think it's a foregone conclusion.
They would def grant it. A hard brexit is bad for them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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Good question, but it won't happen as long with Bozo is PM, as he cannot possibly afford to allow it, given his strident commitment to leaving on Halloween. He knows that failure to achieve that means he's finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I'm not so sure. I suppose a lot will depend on who is asking and what for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I'm starting to believe that the EU will cut their losses and run at some point. I think we're getting close to that point now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I'd rather Scottish independence than a Corbyn government so in the event of Labour getting into power I'd join you in switching to the yes camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Even Thornberry realised her 'plan' for Brexit sounded laughable.
Absolutely no need to.An election at the end of november will ensure no no deal Brexit and farage will wipe the floor with boris. Sit back and watch the toff bigots tearing into each other. The country will run out of popcorn.MarvellousQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
That has to be the plan for the opposition parties. They need to make him break his promise of leaving ‘do or die’. That keeps the brexit party in play which is why he is contemplating breaking the law. Either outcome is good for the opposition. They need to keep him in office as long as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
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Don't see him lasting in office until the end of October. He doesn't seem the type to be up for a struggle of any kind. And he's nowhere near physically fit enough for one. :singing: Bye Bye Bathtoy, Bathtoy Bye Bye :singing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If he quits that’s good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Maybe then the 96,000 could vote to give Raab or Govey a shot at telling Johnny Foreigner what's what. :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
London high Court rejected challenge to close down parliament
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49604584
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Originally Posted by G B Young
I gave up on it years ago. Especially when there are interesting things happening, much better on Newsnight.
Not at all credible. It was a lie started by the lib dems, christine jardine made herself look like a right arse on twitter over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
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He wasn't the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Sorry, I only tuned in for a couple of minutes, so I didn't get the other names. The guy on Blackfords left didn't do himself any favours either.
It's going to get ugly, the establishment will stop at nothing to get what they want.
Its typical lib dem behaviour, they really are the worst sort of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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Which is how it should have been done in the first black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Brazil
Not Cameron’s limp deal, but a full on Exit deal. Then put it to the people.
The status quo
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The Negotiated Exit AND subsequent trade deal
BREXIT referendum should have been the green light to begin discussions on exit before going back to the people to confirm / reject the “Deal”.
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Iain Dale, Brexiter LBC host. He's normally very reasonable. Not sure quite why he seemed to get so upset that Thornberry was calling Johnson a liar. Switched off very soon after that. Any Questions on the radiobox isn't much better than QT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .
It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?
She is a one woman disaster zone.
Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
I didn't see the programme but I think it's legitimate to question the PM using the police force as a backdrop to a highly political statement. The Police Federation have today criticised using the police in this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
... and simultaneously, back benches on both sides stuffed with so much talent?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
As anyone who's done any militaristic type stuff knows, standing still for an hour is extremely difficult. Even the sentries at Buckingham Palace & the like get to move around every so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Anyone with 2 brain cells wouldn't touch Brexit with a barge pole.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Only issue i have with newsnight and channel four news is the likes of kirsty wark not letting the guys finish. These are extraordinary times so lets at least let everybody explain their position. Newsnight was going downhill imho but has been excellent the last few weeks. The two guys covering Brexit have been unbiased and explained it superbly.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Max hastings of all people summed it up superbly. We are being asked to choose betwern two awful choices. Unless we get a moderate centrist govt then we will keep swinging between extremes. Both of the main parties are run by ideologues instead of having a govt for the people. Its an utter disgrace that the uk and USA have become a choice of two extreme parties. The fact thst the likes of ken clarke snd Dominic grieve seem some of the few sane ones at Westminster says it all.. Ken clarke for pm in a coalition and Harriet harmon as chancellor. Not as far fetched as you think if the tories return under 300 mps which is a distinct possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...dmit-g7zh5s7td
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There are interviews where this is necessary because the interviewee is just waffling to fill time and avoid the question but I agree that in countering that Kirsty W and Emily Maitlis sometimes err the other way and cut people off who are actually saying something interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
I think Newsnight poached Sky's political editor a while back which is probably the source of the improvement. It's been very good anyway.
Yup.Vast improvement recently.Im all for cutting off party political speeches as answers but the likes of the snp and labour guys have been cut off too many times. Ill live with it as long as it maintains the improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
On the use of the police yesterday - West Yorks police not happy:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDxjq5PX...pg&name=medium
Link if the pic isn't readable - https://twitter.com/WestYorksPolice/...870018/photo/1
Possibly the mid to late thirties? Certainly not in the modern era.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I'd be surprised if Abbot knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
QT is no longer a decent watch. It strives to be extreme as it chases viewing figures.
I gave up on it years ago.
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Boris spending this evening at Balmoral.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall.
Brilliant!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
i must admit that's a scenario i've not given much thought to at all oz, i'm thinking more about what a tory government is threatening to do after a no deal brexit, the thought of the yanks getting an even larger foothold in our NHS, the thought of their chlorinated chickens(:Ummm:) the UK desperate for a deal will do anything the yanks ask/want, basically the yanks lording over us,the suggestion they will axe the human rights act, pensioners will see the end of the triple lock, i was hoping for at least a 2nd referendum, a 2nd referendum that would have been given due to all the facts not being known in 2016, if we got that referendum for those reasons then surely we would have been entitled to an indy2 due to the untruths leading up to 2014, but anyway, i'm still convinced any deal at all will mean a lot in scotland will just accept that, the country will be sick to death of referendums and support for indy2 will wane. but i do hope you're correct in assuming brexit will remain an issue down south.
Johnson options must now be very limited.
I can only think of three.
1. Go to EU and ask for the extension.
2. Resign.
3. Try for a VONC in his own govt.
Any others?
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Anyone in the North East? Get along to Brewdog Peterhead
We have a super limited amount of bottles of our new protest beer 'Hello my name is (unelected) Boris' available from 5pm tonight.
Come snap them up while you can because we can't see these lasting long. https://t.co/xzqA6EW3YZ
Refuse to ask and make himself a martyr?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Soooo... "Dead in a ditch" then?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Can’t see it. He has prorogued parliament for a Queens speech. Hard to imagine he could ask her to stand up and say her govt is to break the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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The sooner the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
S'ok, she chunters from a sedentary position. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Assisted suicide us still illegal here or else there would be millions out this weekend searching for suitable locations to give him optionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
Metro memesQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
They missed the one with Johnson giving head.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Twitter thread from Peter Foster of the Telegraph makes a suggestion - Johnson could sell out the DUP and accept a Canada deal with an NI specific backstop aka border in the Irish sea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I’m almost certain that’s what they would have done had they not had the 2017 election. Only thing is that now it has become so polarised, will either side accept a compromise? He would need Labour votes to get that through.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
And that would involve Labour selling out the SNP and Lib Dems.
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Tories amusing themselves with chicken stuff.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDyTlYUX...name=4096x4096
Does this actually work for anyone? I can't imagine anyone looking at this and not thinking, what a bunch of childish fannies? :dunno:
Utterly juvenile, they really need to take stock of how this looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
School playground stuff... Primary at that. They are hurting badQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
No-Deal Brexit Bill Designed To Extend Article 50 Passed By House Of Lords
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b03aabe35ac1f4
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They're just WINGING it. Same with Nigel, him and Boris are birds of a feather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
What the CLUCK were they thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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You must have combed the internet for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Don't encourage him, egging him on will only make it worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
An oeuf already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Boris really is fowl. He only took the job to use BREXIT as a feather for his cap. But now he is coup-ed up with egg on his face. What a Cock.
Calling Corbyn a chicken is a cheep shot.
Obviously its heaven for the punsters but incredibly childish that this is the best they can come up with.
Not eggsactly what I wanted to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
It's a poultry excuse for a political jibe.
Only activists think this is funny. Both sides do it. It’s incredibly condescending in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Leg-end. That’s the breast one yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Thigh do serious debates always end up as pun threads?
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:dunno: Beaks meQuote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I thought this was the Breggsit thread?
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