The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

Given Anne's latest fudge seems doomed to failure, a big call is coming her way on whether to launch legal action. I suspect after the usual bluster she won't. It would cause massive aggro and create lasting hostility towards Hearts from the majority of clubs.

If she does, her chances of success must be slim given she would be trying to overturn the vote of a members organisation.

Even on the slim chance she succeeded, the best she would get is either a re-run of the SPFL vote (which would likely result in a bigger majority for, as clubs will be well p1ssed off with Hearts), or compo.

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Don't think being a member of a football association is a legal or god-given right - even if you do meet the requirements for membership or currently a member. You don't want it to come to this, but I'd have thought the SPFL Board have the right to terminate membership of any club from the SPFL for gross misconduct or continually bringing the game into disrepute. Taking legal action against all the other members for following the rules through a democratic process may be enough for the SPFL to cancel Hearts membership and kick them out of Scottish football all together.

Hearts give the impression that all the legal power lies in their hands and the the SPFL can only defend. Bet it's not.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Don't think being a member of a football association is a legal or god-given right - even if you do meet the requirements for membership or currently a member. You don't want it to come to this, but I'd have thought the SPFL Board have the right to terminate membership of any club from the SPFL for gross misconduct or continually bringing the game into disrepute. Taking legal action against all the other members for following the rules through a democratic process may be enough for the SPFL to cancel Hearts membership and kick them out of Scottish football all together.

Hearts give the impression that all the legal power lies in their hands and the the SPFL can only defend. Bet it's not.

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I’m sure I read early on in this debacle that bringing a legal claim against the organisation meant suspension of membership with possible expulsion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52843453

“Budge steps up legal threat”

Back page headline of The Scotsman.

There seems no strategy at all - she’s just throwing s*** at the wall and hoping something sticks. It’s laughable.

Memo to Budge: a number of Scottish clubs are facing real financial problems. Threatening them with more financial difficulty is not a good strategy.

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Originally Posted by Onion

cancel Hearts membership and kick them out of Scottish football all together.

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It would be a real shame if it came to that but if it did I for one would support the SPFL 110%. :fingerscrossedsmiley:


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Originally Posted by jacomo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52843453

“Budge steps up legal threat”

Back page headline of The Scotsman.

There seems no strategy at all - she’s just throwing s*** at the wall and hoping something sticks. It’s laughable.

Memo to Budge: a number of Scottish clubs are facing real financial problems. Threatening them with more financial difficulty is not a good strategy.

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Just what I thought, she'll keep ramping up the threats because the threats are the last throw of the dice.

Due to St Patrick banishing them all hundreds of years ago from this island i never get the chance to bump into one unless home. Please someone tell me that kickback isn’t representative of the common hearts fan? vindictive,petty,hate filled, suspicious spiteful bunch there. Tell me there has to be some slightly more balanced ones kicking about?

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Originally Posted by Dalianwanda

Due to St Patrick banishing them all hundreds of years ago i never get the chance to bump into one unless home. Please someone tell me that kickback isn’t representative of the common hearts fan? vindictive,petty,hate filled, suspicious spiteful bunch there. Tell me there has to be some slightly more balanced ones kicking about?

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They are the balanced ones...the rest don't even have opposable thumbs.

Spfl need to set a date take a vote and put Hearts out their misery.

It is the way it is going but needs a conclusion especially when league is now starting on August 1st.

Get the impression SPFL has played a blinder and gives Hearts enough rope to hing themselves with.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

You couldn’t make this up. She should really take the appropriate advice prior to rambling on after one too many Gins.

The sooner this proposal is booted into touch the better.


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But it hasn’t mate and that’s what is giving her all this attention


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Budge thing has dragged longer than Covid isolation but will start to resolve once fixture list for 20/21 is released. Hearts will be paired with a heap of other sub-standard teams, relegated on merit (as UEFA state) and as welcomed in the Championship as fresh fish in Shawshanks.

I honestly think Budge has lost her mind and will be talking about legal action, reconstruction, doing the right thing blah blah blah in October when the Premier League has already played a bunch pf games and everyone else has moved on.

The background noise of Budge will be as relevant as a Sevco Statement.

In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

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That reads like a Kiwi Doug missive. Maybe they have a template to copy!

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Originally Posted by brog

Spoilsport! Can you not retire again? :greengrin

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Ha ha
Don’t say that tho, love that he’s back!

Was there ever a time when Hearts fans weren't deluded?

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Originally Posted by Sioux

In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

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I've posted less obvious crap than that on Kickback.

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Originally Posted by Estupendo

Was there ever a time when Hearts fans weren't deluded?

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1970s - they were embarrassed about their team and quiet.

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Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby

They are the balanced ones...the rest don't even have opposable thumbs.

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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs

1970s - they were embarrassed about their team and quiet.

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You’re joking. Derbies in the mid to late 70s were riots.

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

I've posted less obvious crap than that on Kickback.

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If that poster is undercover, that post is genuinely a work of genius.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

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Sounds like another Budge sock puppet account to me.

If she’s not telling the world what a delightful person she is, she seems to be doing that via proxy.

You just need to type " Ann is playing the long-game here" and then sit back and watch as they fight amongst themselves - it`s hilarious

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Originally Posted by Irish_Steve

You just need to type " Ann is playing the long-game here" and then sit back and watch as they fight amongst themselves - it`s hilarious

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BUdgie seems to be mouthing off to various parties, bring on Monday, hopefully that puts her back in her box!

The Premiership meeting on Monday will be a close one. It sounds like a lot of clubs are supportive of her plans, she’s still got to convince the likes of Hibs, Ross County, St Mirren, St Johnstone and Dundee United I’d guess. Then she has the problem of getting support in the lower leagues.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

The Premiership meeting on Monday will be a close one. It sounds like a lot of clubs are supportive of her plans, she’s still got to convince the likes of Hibs, Ross County, St Mirren, St Johnstone and Dundee United I’d guess. Then she has the problem of getting support in the lower leagues.

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Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo
Posted 48 minutes ago
Monday is D-Day I believe. I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it Jus now but it’s definitely stacked in our favour. There’s been a few developments today and ND knows that Ann will go all out if reconstruction fails. I’d like to think we are dining at the top table this season and not on the outside looking in. Lots to happen this weekend

The BBC's Kheridine has just tweeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

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Originally Posted by Kojock

Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo
Posted 48 minutes ago
Monday is D-Day I believe. I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it Jus now but it’s definitely stacked in our favour. There’s been a few developments today and ND knows that Ann will go all out if reconstruction fails. I’d like to think we are dining at the top table this season and not on the outside looking in. Lots to happen this weekend

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

The BBC's Kheridine has just teeeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

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I know which one is more believable!

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

The BBC's Kheridine has just teeeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

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That's the best news I have heard today. Bring on Monday

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

The BBC's Kheridine has just teeeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

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Well that’s quite funny.

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Originally Posted by Kojock

Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo
Posted 48 minutes ago
Monday is D-Day I believe. I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it Jus now but it’s definitely stacked in our favour. There’s been a few developments today and ND knows that Ann will go all out if reconstruction fails. I’d like to think we are dining at the top table this season and not on the outside looking in. Lots to happen this weekend

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Let's hope so. All these threats are getting tedious, wish she'd just get on with it. Hopefully we'll move to the next stage of court proceedings (or climb down) by Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

The BBC's Kheridine has just tweeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

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Excellent! On to the court case :-)

That should be reconstruction (in the top league) dead now. Time to move on

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Originally Posted by Kojock

Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo
Posted 48 minutes ago
Monday is D-Day I believe. I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it Jus now but it’s definitely stacked in our favour. There’s been a few developments today and ND knows that Ann will go all out if reconstruction fails. I’d like to think we are dining at the top table this season and not on the outside looking in. Lots to happen this weekend

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Jambos: we are laughing at you, but please don’t bet your mortgage on this going your way.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

The BBC's Kheridine has just tweeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

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Can someone explain why she's getting the time of day again anyway, I thought reconstruction had been binned. Surely she can't keep coming back with more alternatives time and time again. I think she required the support of another 2 clubs to propose changes but will this be the end of the road now?

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

You’re joking. Derbies in the mid to late 70s were riots.

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Yes they were. But there was no boasting, no delusion they were the big team. All they could do was fight us.

The big team boasting started under Mercer.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...box=1590787896

It needs to go to court.
We’ll get artist impressions of Budge n stuff like that.
Bring in the witnesses.
Ton Englisher
Alan Preston
Micheal Stewart
Hearts are too big to be expelled because hearts spent millions to try and not be relegaspelled.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...box=1590787896

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Well wouldnt you know it?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...box=1590787896

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Rule 5.1c....how apt.....

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...box=1590787896

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"JAMBOS FACE KO Hearts face having SFA membership REVOKED if they take SPFL to court"

That would be a shame.

Imagine being daft enough not to check that out. You'd think a top conveyancer would have known anout that.

Maybe they'll get their expulsion after all.

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Originally Posted by Logie Green

Rule 5.1c....how apt.....

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You mean it's actually there in the rules? Not just Doncaster saying he doesn’t know for sure, it's just hearsay but apparently there's a rule that might say something like that?

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Originally Posted by Logie Green

Rule 5.1c....how apt.....

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It's ok as Queen Anne doesn't lower herself to read rules.

Budge will be inwardly delighted by that but she probably knew it. Easy get out now with no reprisals from the screaming Duncans.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...box=1590787896

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NOOOOOO!!! Don’t spoil the court case. :-(

Can you imagine that Gorgie rage if Hearts are expelled from the Scottish Cup and we get a bye into the final 😂

I just cant think of anything to say to describe this:

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Either you undercover boys are doing a great job or they really are batsh*t crazy over there.

"We’re gonna be absolutely drowning in compo cash. Good wee nest egg for joining the bottom of the English leagues as the rest of Scottish football collapses and you just have Rangers and Celtic playing Each other every week. "

Potential blinder being played by Doncaster and co? Still a wee bit to go so cmon Anne don’t let us down! [emoji23]


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They honestly believe they will be 'dining at the top table' or playing in the the EFL 🥴

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Originally Posted by AltheHibby

I just cant think of anything to say to describe this:

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Either you undercover boys are doing a great job or they really are batsh*t crazy over there.

"We’re gonna be absolutely drowning in compo cash. Good wee nest egg for joining the bottom of the English leagues as the rest of Scottish football collapses and you just have Rangers and Celtic playing Each other every week. "

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Joining the English leagues. That would be the funniest thing ever to see them trying to do that. Please make it happen.

Incidentally, do these guys actually realise people other than Hearts fans can see what they're posting?

i'm gonna be absolutely gutted when the sparryheids could be playing the likes of man u/man city/ chelski/spurs/arsenal within the next 5 years, indeed they might even be fast tracked straight to the EPL under threat of court action if they are made to start in the conference league...watch out england the pop tarts are coming

Next...the champions league

fair guttin

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Originally Posted by 007

Joining the English leagues. That would be the funniest thing ever to see them trying to do that. Please make it happen.

Incidentally, do these guys actually realise people other than Hearts fans can see what they're posting?

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I’d like to see them accepted into the English league under the condition that they increase the length of their pitch to UEFA standards.

Have the stopped to consider that a club tossed out of the Scottish leagues might not be welcome in another country, or allowed by UEFA/FIFA under the same rules that had them chucked out in the first place?

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Originally Posted by 007

"JAMBOS FACE KO Hearts face having SFA membership REVOKED if they take SPFL to court"

That would be a shame.

Imagine being daft enough not to check that out. You'd think a top conveyancer would have known anout that.

Maybe they'll get their expulsion after all.

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That rule has been mentioned a few times on this site over the last few weeks. I'd guess Budge is fully aware of it also.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...box=1590787896

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Are they the only club in the world who would pay £500,000 to challenge a relegation because they were bottom of the league? In which they would fail and end up getting further discipline.

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Originally Posted by Kojock

Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo
Posted 48 minutes ago
Monday is D-Day I believe. I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it Jus now but it’s definitely stacked in our favour. There’s been a few developments today and ND knows that Ann will go all out if reconstruction fails. I’d like to think we are dining at the top table this season and not on the outside looking in. Lots to happen this weekend

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Silly twit is going to lose his team and his house on to same day!

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

The BBC's Kheridine has just tweeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

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I really hope there is a vote

A “dismissal due to lack of support” could see this farce prolonged even more with hearts continuing to attempt to cling on for dear life

Vote, it fails, the vote results are recorded and we all move on

Hearts then condemned to life in the championship

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Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu

I really hope there is a vote

A “dismissal due to lack of support” could see this farce prolonged even more with hearts continuing to attempt to cling on for dear life

Vote, it fails, the vote results are recorded and we all move on

Hearts then condemned to life in the championship

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Im sure Doncaster is savvy enough to have that covered.

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Originally Posted by brog

Im sure Doncaster is savvy enough to have that covered.

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I’m sure your right but we seem to have been here before

Hearts with a proposal to reconstruct the league, it’s turned down due to lack of support, no vote

Yet we’re back here again

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Originally Posted by 007

Joining the English leagues. That would be the funniest thing ever to see them trying to do that. ....

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Time for my poem....

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The Queen of Hearts
She saved Jam Tarts
And made their debt go away

But the Knave of Hearts
The Director of Hoofbaw and that
Signed loads of Duds on massive pay.

He said to Auld Budgie
From his seat on the Cludgie
"I'm restoring the Natural Order"

He doth regret those words,
The silly wee turd
Cos' now they play "south of the border"
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* Interpret that last line however you want ;-)

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Originally Posted by greenginger

I’ve noticed something a bit unusual with the FoH accounts submitted to companies house.

Tenon were their original accountants and when they went pop in 2013 Scot Moncrieff were appointed and produced their accounts until 2017.

Then the 2018 accounts have Scott Moncrieff’s name on the front cover and they are listed as the FoH accountants , but there is no report or signature from them. Also the spaces for the FoH directors signatures are blank. In other words they have submitted unsigned accounts.

The most recent accounts for 2019 have been signed by their directors but there is not reference to any independent accountants, so I presume they are doing their accounts themselves.

Nothing wrong with that, but when you consider the £ 100,000 s in d.ds and cow stuffing funds etc you would expect some kind of independent check.

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I worked on the tax comp for foh when I was at tenon. Back then of course it was an almost entirely different entity and Anne budge had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I find it crazy that the people who set it up and worked for a few years on it have more or less been airbrushed out of history for the Anne budge show.

Is the documentary they are making coming out as a box set, their is too much comedy surely for just one film.:greengrin

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Originally Posted by dchibs

Is the documentary they are making coming out as a box set, their is too much comedy surely for just one film.:greengrin

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I’m just hoping it’s edited and narrated from an unbiased viewpoint/or biased away from them.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

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I suspect we might be the same if we were in their position. The thing is though we're not in their position and that is largely due to the way the two clubs are run. We are a well run club and have been for around 15 or so years. Hearts on the other hand are not and haven't been for ages and have never learned the lessons of the mistakes.

Hearts have a self assured entitlement that does not match their ability to function as a club. They refuse to do anything themselves to change the situation and certainly will not do anything the hard way. That has been the way of them since the early 80s when Mercer took over. They have lived a blinkered 'spend, spend, spend' life, and whilst other clubs did too, most of the others swallowed the bitter pill and put their houses in order. They on the other hand kept digging the hole. Any time they came into money they didn't do the sensible thing and use it to strengthen the whole club and set up structures for the future; they splaffed it on short term high cost investments - silly contracts for players etc - and consequently are now, for a second time in a very short time, having to pay the consequences.

If you think about the amount they have wasted over the last four or so years, its criminal. they have FoH money and this benefactor, how is it possible that they are in the situation they are in and Budge knows she has messed up and this is purely deflection.

What is clear though is they have still not learned the lessons of the past few years so they will i suspect continue to splaff the money up against the wall.

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Originally Posted by proud_and_green

I suspect we might be the same if we were in their position. The thing is though we're not in their position and that is largely due to the way the two clubs are run. We are a well run club and have been for around 15 or so years. Hearts on the other hand are not and haven't been for ages and have never learned the lessons of the mistakes.

Hearts have a self assured entitlement that does not match their ability to function as a club. They refuse to do anything themselves to change the situation and certainly will not do anything the hard way. That has been the way of them since the early 80s when Mercer took over. They have lived a blinkered 'spend, spend, spend' life, and whilst other clubs did too, most of the others swallowed the bitter pill and put their houses in order. They on the other hand kept digging the hole. Any time they came into money they didn't do the sensible thing and use it to strengthen the whole club and set up structures for the future; they splaffed it on short term high cost investments - silly contracts for players etc - and consequently are now, for a second time in a very short time, having to pay the consequences.

If you think about the amount they have wasted over the last four or so years, its criminal. they have FoH money and this benefactor, how is it possible that they are in the situation they are in and Budge knows she has messed up and this is purely deflection.

What is clear though is they have still not learned the lessons of the past few years so they will i suspect continue to splaff the money up against the wall.

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To have built a £20m+ stand and still been able to outspend us on the pitch while we have our biggest budget in history says it all about how much money they’ve actually had and wasted. Quite incredible.

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Originally Posted by Jack

Have the stopped to consider that a club tossed out of the Scottish leagues might not be welcome in another country, or allowed by UEFA/FIFA under the same rules that had them chucked out in the first place?

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True but, other than that, I'm sure such a famous and big - everyone says how big they are, the bigliest and most famousist club ever - would, along with their 400,000 fans, be welcomed into the richest league in the world. They might struggle to hang on to their genius of a football director though. A man who is living proof that it doesn't matter how much money you spend; how well your team performs is down to your ability as a coach and motivator. I'm sure the likes of Klopp, Guardiola and Arteta etc would just love to have his direction and guidance all to themselves.

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Originally Posted by AltheHibby

I just cant think of anything to say to describe this:

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Either you undercover boys are doing a great job or they really are batsh*t crazy over there.

"We’re gonna be absolutely drowning in compo cash. Good wee nest egg for joining the bottom of the English leagues as the rest of Scottish football collapses and you just have Rangers and Celtic playing Each other every week. "

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Hearts v Kiddiminster Harriers on a Tuesday night in January. "Tynecastle, make some noise!".

They'd be dreaming about the days they had a heated rivalry with St Mirren

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Have the stopped to consider that a club tossed out of the Scottish leagues might not be welcome in another country, or allowed by UEFA/FIFA under the same rules that had them chucked out in the first place?

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Said it before, they really can't just waltz up to the English league clubs and say we're Hearts, we're famous and we've decided to honour you with our presence. They also come with a bad recent financial history.

They'd need to be voted in at around Conference North level if those clubs wanted them in. There are clubs at those levels spending to get into league two, a few are investing heavily to do it, would they want a possible threat to that, not to mention the extra cost of travelling to play in Scotland?

Would the FA automatically welcome a Scottish club into their cup competition?

There's bound to be other barriers as well.

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They'd need to be voted in at around Conference North level if those clubs wanted them in.....

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Pardon my ignorance of the English pyramid system..... Would that be the level that any new club would normally have to apply to?

Cheers.

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Pardon my ignorance of the English pyramid system..... Would that be the level that any new club would normally have to apply to?

Cheers.

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No, it's an educated guess on my part, there are lower more regionalised levels that clubs can move up from to the conference.

I've followed conference level games for a while now and there's no history of just parachuting a "big" club in anywhere. They tend to have to play their way through the leagues.

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Are any of those regions "Scotland"?

If not, I think they might have a problem...

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Are any of those regions "Scotland"?

If not, I think they might have a problem...

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They're big and famous so anything is possible. There's quite a few non UEFA compliant pitches as well so they could fit right in.

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I’m just hoping it’s edited and narrated from an unbiased viewpoint/or biased away from them.

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Not a chance.
Unfortunately the program is Martin Gielsers wee pet project.

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To have built a £20m+ stand and still been able to outspend us on the pitch while we have our biggest budget in history says it all about how much money they’ve actually had and wasted. Quite incredible.

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To have built a £20m stand, add that value to your balance sheet last year & yet have total assets of £17.5m takes some doing!! :greengrin

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No, it's an educated guess on my part, there are lower more regionalised levels that clubs can move up from to the conference.

I've followed conference level games for a while now and there's no history of just parachuting a "big" club in anywhere. They tend to have to play their way through the leagues.

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Just stop it!!!

Queen Ann would simply insist that they changed their rules to accommodate hahahahahahearts

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Not a chance.
Unfortunately the program is Martin Gielsers wee pet project.

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I hadn't realised that until someone pointed it out a few days ago. Unfortunately I think you are right, it will probably be biased in their favour focusing on the unjustice of it all and how Hearts are right and everyone else is wrong. They've probably got Tom English editing it.

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To have built a £20m stand, add that value to your balance sheet last year & yet have total assets of £17.5m takes some doing!! :greengrin

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To have built a £20m stand, add that value to your balance sheet last year & yet have total assets of £17.5m takes some doing!! :greengrin

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Who knows what the stand will be worth when it's finished, I can see it becoming a major tourist attraction when it gets it's World Heritage Site listing.

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Are any of those regions "Scotland"?

If not, I think they might have a problem...

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To be fair, if they know nothing about finance, the law and football, then lack of knowledge on geography is the least of their worries.

Mental health is probably their biggest challenge. Once all the madness dies down, the fans are going to realise they have only a hard reality. Well, most of them.

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No, it's an educated guess on my part, there are lower more regionalised levels that clubs can move up from to the conference.

I've followed conference level games for a while now and there's no history of just parachuting a "big" club in anywhere. They tend to have to play their way through the leagues...

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Rules? Where we're going we don't need... rules!

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In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

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I'd like to know when she showed empathy. When 5 minutes after football was stopped she gave the players an ultimatum of 50% pay cut or you're binned? Or when she point blank refused to consider deferment yet they were actively searching for replacements saying they'd have money to spend on transfer fees?

Maybe it was when she put forward a reconstruction proposal which would save her own club but at the same time would shaft many others. Or when trying to capitlise on the growing concern of other clubs around their own survival by switching the reason for the proposed reconstruction from being all about "righting a wrong" to actually it shouldn't be looked upon as that. It should be looked upon it being about how it will save Scottish football (which it doesn't), while it is actually just saying put Hearts in the Premiership and the other leagues should sort themselves out.

The empathy could be in the offer of paying for clubs' testing (though it actually said paying for testing equipment, so could just be the £36k machine and not necessarily the ongoing costs) which is only on offer if clubs agree to their demand to put them in the Premiership. The implied reason for the offer being withdrawn if they are in the Championship is because they won't be able to afford it ("Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football"), yet at the same time they boast about increased donations and renewed benefactor support.

Perhaps the empathy is in the threats of legal action and preventing football from restarting as well as implying that clubs will go out of business as a result.

Maybe I should just accept that I'm not capable of detecting empathy.

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I'd like to know when she showed empathy. When 5 minutes after football was stopped she gave the players an ultimatum of 50% pay cut or you're binned? Or when she point blank refused to consider deferment yet they were actively searching for replacements saying they'd have money to spend on transfer fees?

Maybe it was when she put forward a reconstruction proposal which would save her own club but at the same time would shaft many others. Or when trying to capitlise on the growing concern of other clubs around their own survival by switching the reason for the proposed reconstruction from being all about "righting a wrong" to actually it shouldn't be looked upon as that. It should be looked upon it being about how it will save Scottish football (which it doesn't), while it is actually just saying put Hearts in the Premiership and the other leagues should sort themselves out.

The empathy could be in the offer of paying for clubs' testing (though it actually said paying for testing equipment, so could just be the £36k machine and not necessarily the ongoing costs) which is only on offer if clubs agree to their demand to put them in the Premiership. The implied reason for the offer being withdrawn if they are in the Championship is because they won't be able to afford it ("Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football"), yet at the same time they boast about increased donations and renewed benefactor support.

Perhaps the empathy is in the threats of legal action and preventing football from restarting as well as implying that clubs will go out of business as a result.

Maybe I should just accept that I'm not capable of detecting empathy.

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5-1, FTH, Gorgie rules etc.

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I'd like to know when she showed empathy. When 5 minutes after football was stopped she gave the players an ultimatum of 50% pay cut or you're binned? Or when she point blank refused to consider deferment yet they were actively searching for replacements saying they'd have money to spend on transfer fees?

Maybe it was when she put forward a reconstruction proposal which would save her own club but at the same time would shaft many others. Or when trying to capitlise on the growing concern of other clubs around their own survival by switching the reason for the proposed reconstruction from being all about "righting a wrong" to actually it shouldn't be looked upon as that. It should be looked upon it being about how it will save Scottish football (which it doesn't), while it is actually just saying put Hearts in the Premiership and the other leagues should sort themselves out.

The empathy could be in the offer of paying for clubs' testing (though it actually said paying for testing equipment, so could just be the £36k machine and not necessarily the ongoing costs) which is only on offer if clubs agree to their demand to put them in the Premiership. The implied reason for the offer being withdrawn if they are in the Championship is because they won't be able to afford it ("Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football"), yet at the same time they boast about increased donations and renewed benefactor support.

Perhaps the empathy is in the threats of legal action and preventing football from restarting as well as implying that clubs will go out of business as a result.

Maybe I should just accept that I'm not capable of detecting empathy.

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Well said and absolutely spot on

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I'd like to know when she showed empathy. When 5 minutes after football was stopped she gave the players an ultimatum of 50% pay cut or you're binned? Or when she point blank refused to consider deferment yet they were actively searching for replacements saying they'd have money to spend on transfer fees?

Maybe it was when she put forward a reconstruction proposal which would save her own club but at the same time would shaft many others. Or when trying to capitlise on the growing concern of other clubs around their own survival by switching the reason for the proposed reconstruction from being all about "righting a wrong" to actually it shouldn't be looked upon as that. It should be looked upon it being about how it will save Scottish football (which it doesn't), while it is actually just saying put Hearts in the Premiership and the other leagues should sort themselves out.

The empathy could be in the offer of paying for clubs' testing (though it actually said paying for testing equipment, so could just be the £36k machine and not necessarily the ongoing costs) which is only on offer if clubs agree to their demand to put them in the Premiership. The implied reason for the offer being withdrawn if they are in the Championship is because they won't be able to afford it ("Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football"), yet at the same time they boast about increased donations and renewed benefactor support.

Perhaps the empathy is in the threats of legal action and preventing football from restarting as well as implying that clubs will go out of business as a result.

Maybe I should just accept that I'm not capable of detecting empathy.

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Think I might print this out and hand it to anyone who doesn’t understand why they deserve everything they get in terms of relegation, financial trouble etc. Great post

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Who knows what the stand will be worth when it's finished, I can see it becoming a major tourist attraction when it gets it's World Heritage Site listing.

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More likely UNESCO will take away Edinburgh’s world heritage site status unless that munter is pulled down.

EDIT: No part of the new main stand is visible from the Old Town, or vice versa, so it’s ok.

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I'd like to know when she showed empathy. When 5 minutes after football was stopped she gave the players an ultimatum of 50% pay cut or you're binned? Or when she point blank refused to consider deferment yet they were actively searching for replacements saying they'd have money to spend on transfer fees?

Maybe it was when she put forward a reconstruction proposal which would save her own club but at the same time would shaft many others. Or when trying to capitlise on the growing concern of other clubs around their own survival by switching the reason for the proposed reconstruction from being all about "righting a wrong" to actually it shouldn't be looked upon as that. It should be looked upon it being about how it will save Scottish football (which it doesn't), while it is actually just saying put Hearts in the Premiership and the other leagues should sort themselves out.

The empathy could be in the offer of paying for clubs' testing (though it actually said paying for testing equipment, so could just be the £36k machine and not necessarily the ongoing costs) which is only on offer if clubs agree to their demand to put them in the Premiership. The implied reason for the offer being withdrawn if they are in the Championship is because they won't be able to afford it ("Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football"), yet at the same time they boast about increased donations and renewed benefactor support.

Perhaps the empathy is in the threats of legal action and preventing football from restarting as well as implying that clubs will go out of business as a result.

Maybe I should just accept that I'm not capable of detecting empathy.

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100% the best post I have seen about them. I hope you don't mind me sharing this with certain Jambo acquaintances



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To have built a £20m stand, add that value to your balance sheet last year & yet have total assets of £17.5m takes some doing!! :greengrin

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Nice point.

To have £6.3m of cash sent to your brother capitalised in the accounts without being questioned by the fans is also a major achievement.

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EDIT: No part of the new main stand is visible from the Old Town, or vice versa, so it’s ok.[/QUOTE]

So, does that mean that we can expect a 'Heritage Site View' lounge?

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So, does that mean that we can expect a 'Heritage Site View' lounge?

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I think they should rename it the Champions Lounge. A place to relax after taking in a Championship fixture.

New SPFL premiership league sponsor is
“Save the Hearts”

Another completely different roll of the dice from her today with the introduction of this mystery cash from her philanthropist pals. Sounds like it was being offered previously but only if it was guaranteed Hearts stay in the top league. Now it’s “no strings attached”.

If they are up for funding the lower leagues I’m all for it. Bin reconstruction, keep the leagues as they are and play on. Hearts can suffer their year in the championship and come back up next season.

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Another completely different roll of the dice from her today with the introduction of this mystery cash from her philanthropist pals. Sounds like it was being offered previously but only if it was guaranteed Hearts stay in the top league. Now it’s “no strings attached”.

If they are up for funding the lower leagues I’m all for it. Bin reconstruction, keep the leagues as they are and play on. Hearts can suffer their year in the championship and come back up next season.

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I’m not fooled by it. Given her recent rambles she is definitely after something from this. She was to be seen as the person that saved Scottish Football because she’s made a right Mike Hunt of everything else.

If I was the SPFL etc I’d be very wary of this


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Another completely different roll of the dice from her today with the introduction of this mystery cash from her philanthropist pals. Sounds like it was being offered previously but only if it was guaranteed Hearts stay in the top league. Now it’s “no strings attached”.

If they are up for funding the lower leagues I’m all for it. Bin reconstruction, keep the leagues as they are and play on. Hearts can suffer their year in the championship and come back up next season.

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Budge: more faces than Big Ben.

I’m not sure many other chairman trust her, which is hardly surprising.

Excellent - the "Karma" guy has spoken - we all know how when his St. Mirren post went lol

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An absolute beauty by some muppet on Kickback:

4 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:
I guess the money could be offered with no strings attached but pulled if we don’t get put back in the SPL




I’m guessing his carer let him use the laptop all on his own today.

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Nice point.

To have £6.3m of cash sent to your brother capitalised in the accounts without being questioned by the fans is also a major achievement.

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Sportsound earlier it was mentioned the 'philanthropists' have already put in £9m - is this legal? Was there not a stooshie about Dundee accepting money a few seasons back with no clear idea where it was coming from - what if this cash is Romanian drug money or something?

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An absolute beauty by some muppet on Kickback:

4 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:
I guess the money could be offered with no strings attached but pulled if we don’t get put back in the SPL




I’m guessing his carer let him use the laptop all on his own today.

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At least hes admitted they're already doon.

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An absolute beauty by some muppet on Kickback:

4 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:
I guess the money could be offered with no strings attached but pulled if we don’t get put back in the SPL

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Just a tad of a contradiction without a hint of irony
Kids, don’t drink and type

Sounds like Budge has gone out on a limb when put on the spot during the radio interview and said that the philanthropists donation to the lower leagues comes with 'no strings attached.'

Not sure any of her benefactors would have offered millions unless it guaranteed Hearts staying in the Premiership and she's going to end up losing what credibility she has left when her club is relegated and the millionaires renege on their donations.

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An absolute beauty by some muppet on Kickback:

4 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:
I guess the money could be offered with no strings attached but pulled if we don’t get put back in the SPL




I’m guessing his carer let him use the laptop all on his own today.

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No it was his mum that typed it for him


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I'd like to know when she showed empathy. When 5 minutes after football was stopped she gave the players an ultimatum of 50% pay cut or you're binned? Or when she point blank refused to consider deferment yet they were actively searching for replacements saying they'd have money to spend on transfer fees?

Maybe it was when she put forward a reconstruction proposal which would save her own club but at the same time would shaft many others. Or when trying to capitlise on the growing concern of other clubs around their own survival by switching the reason for the proposed reconstruction from being all about "righting a wrong" to actually it shouldn't be looked upon as that. It should be looked upon it being about how it will save Scottish football (which it doesn't), while it is actually just saying put Hearts in the Premiership and the other leagues should sort themselves out.

The empathy could be in the offer of paying for clubs' testing (though it actually said paying for testing equipment, so could just be the £36k machine and not necessarily the ongoing costs) which is only on offer if clubs agree to their demand to put them in the Premiership. The implied reason for the offer being withdrawn if they are in the Championship is because they won't be able to afford it ("Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football"), yet at the same time they boast about increased donations and renewed benefactor support.

Perhaps the empathy is in the threats of legal action and preventing football from restarting as well as implying that clubs will go out of business as a result.

Maybe I should just accept that I'm not capable of detecting empathy.

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Thus spake the man/woman(etc.) who deserves to be the next Prime/First Minister. Glorious Glorious!