Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

There is serious discussion going on, on a few of the Rangers FC (RIP) forums which suggests that there's a very serious risk on the NewCo heading towards administration unless they can find a buyer/investor or a bank who will actually take them on as a client, as Green and his consortium cannot afford to float the New club.

Edit: If they don't currently have a bank, where would any ST money go (I'm aware the fans aren't exactly gobbling them up but surely some have forked out)?

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Are they even allowed to sell Season Tickets yet? Surely they aren't 'legally' a football club yet?

Which does beg the question, where are the players and who is paying them? I assume they are all still registered to the Oldco, since Sevco again, isn't an actual football club yet, and we've seen nothing in the press about anyone agreeing / not agreeing to the transfer. I also have to wonder, who is paying them? Oldco has no funds, and neither it would appear does Newco. When those wage bills, tax instalments, Council Tax payments etc start landing, what happens? If there is no money, and it certainly looks that way (Uncle Wattie's statement certainly suggests that if nothing else), and there's no bank account, so no overdraft or loan facility open to them, then the club collapses again straight away?

Shows beyond doubt how incompetent (at best, if not downright corrupt) Duff & Phelps have been, there appears to have been no effort to ensure Green has the cash to run the club, there has been no cuts (Rangers must be the only club that haven't released any players yet this summer), no fit and proper person tests, since nobody but Green seems to know who and how many investors are with him...

Perhaps their best route out of this is for Sevco to collapse, the dust to settle, the investigations completed and punishments handed down to all involved in the last decade, then by next season somebody has bought the property, creates a totally new club and applies to SFL3. A clean break for all.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Perhaps their best route out of this is for Sevco to collapse, the dust to settle, the investigations completed and punishments handed down to all involved in the last decade, then by next season somebody has bought the property, creates a totally new club and applies to SFL3. A clean break for all.

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Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

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Has Donkey "Neil" Doncaster resigned yet? :dunno:

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

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Was that McCoist?

He brought round fresh batteries for my remote this morning!:wink:

On the subject of RFC/TRFC/Sevco selling ST's, the info is out to all previous ST's at Ibrox re. renewals, (price freeze for the 4th year in a row! :greengrin ) my mate at work says the deadline to renew is the end of June to keep his current seat, he like most of the folk he knows are certainly not renewing until they know if they have a team to watch and what division they'll be in.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

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I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

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Originally Posted by Benny Brazil

I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

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SKY were quoted in the press saying they'd continue but the terms would be less on renewal ..... I guess that might leave the door open for BT or ESPN to chip in?

Mildly interesting in the current context:

http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?p...&cod=8199&tp=n

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Originally Posted by Sir Alf R

SKY were quoted in the press saying they'd continue but the terms would be less on renewal ..... I guess that might leave the door open for BT or ESPN to chip in?

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Possibly - the one comment he made was - Sky always get what they pay for. Mind you the guy I play squash with is a Hun :greengrin

The Orcs needn't worry over much, their historie's' being kept alive and well, sort of.
http://www.club12.org/

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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah

I would love it if something else came creeping out their closet but in all honesty i think this is wild speculation that he been fuelled by Alex Thommo's tweet yesterday. He said that a lawyer of a former mngr told him that a massive fraud was going to come out of ibrox, it doesnt necessarily say that involves any new evidence though.

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Yes, you're probably right. The RTC poster "Barcabhoy" of the famous "nuclear option" posted shortly afterwards that the rumours around EBT payments to refs/journos etc were well wide of the mark but that Alex Thomson was on the right lines.

A lot of the wild speculation re the Huns has turned out to be bang on the money though. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Andy74

I'm getting more confident there will be no Rangers playing anywhere next season.

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Dashing Bob, well put sir!

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.

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Originally Posted by hibs13681

Deluded. Massive fine? not for the crimes! Bendtner got fined 80K for showing his pants!

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Fantastic. They are winging about a massive £100,000 fine.

They currently owe £150,000,000 or thereabouts to everyone and everything they have touched outwith their vile institution over the last few years. How would they describe that?

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Apparently Club 12 have lined up a glamour friendly against Spanish Giants Club 18-30


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Hmmm, all that ranting and the daft Hun hasn't realised that from the very start Craig Whyte has got an 'h' after the first letter of his surnhame. He was really a Celtic phlant you fhools!!!

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.
I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

Ha ha ha...

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I regularly go to the sauna with Rebecah Brooks and she says otherwise to the otherwise ;)

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Originally Posted by Benny Brazil

I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

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SFA employees now being asked awkward questions. What you got to say for yourself Mr Ogilvie? Hmmmm???

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/ove...ent/#more-2870

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Originally Posted by green glory

SFA employees now being asked awkward questions. What you got to say for yourself Mr Ogilvie? Hmmmm???

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/ove...ent/#more-2870

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Word I hear is that HMRC are seriously pissed and have no intentions of backing off... :devil:

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Originally Posted by Doddie

Word I hear is that HMRC are seriously pissed and have no intentions of backing off... :devil:

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'mon the Queen's representatives :flag:

GSTQ... cough :wink:

BBC Scotland has learned that Charles Green's Sevco 5088 company is not currently permitted to inherit the name 'The Rangers Football Club'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619

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Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

and there's a story that rangers have financial problems and might be going into administration. you heard (read) it here first....

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Source?????

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Source?????

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Hibs.net :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.

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I'm going to nominate you for the Nobel Prize for Literature for the bit, Bob. Wonderful stuff.

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

Where is the sycophantic article you quoted from Windy Miller?

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Glasgow Herald.

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

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Originally Posted by John_the_angus_hibby

It's actually one of the more sensible or balanced outpourings to be fair. The author is probably correct in that if they are restarted in some format at one point in the future in some league the supporters will see a continuum with the past. Which in their case also means sectarian bile. The Ibrox disaster example is used for dramatic effect and it is their memory to use in the same way that any disaster/meaningful event is ours to use. It's not risible but just possibly tasteless. And also they will never admit as a support that it is their actions and blind support of SDM and his management of them as a club that is the destroyer of all that history. They have destroyed their club.

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See above post.

Rangers smoothie.take 45,000 bitter oranges, sour grapes,and liquidate

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Originally Posted by makaveli_619

https://p.twimg.com/Av1ZtgKCIAA3DbM.jpg

Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

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:hilarious: that's stupendous!!!! :aok:

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Originally Posted by makaveli_619

https://p.twimg.com/Av1ZtgKCIAA3DbM.jpg

Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

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Good spot. :thumbsup:

Alex Thomson from Channel 4 news wants opinions for his blog


Calling all fans of SPL clubs 1-11 inclusive. What should your Chairmen do on Wed July 4th at 10 am?...


Tweet or email [email protected] and I'll blog 'em up!

According to the Herald this morning, there are doubts as to whether Green has enough working capital to last through June and to 27th June payday. They say that he has not spoken to a single player or been in contact with the SPFA.

Anyone know a good Administrator ?

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Originally Posted by Sir Alf R

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

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I've been saying this all along, losing some / all of the Sky money would present a problem, losing a vast number of fans would see clubs close down.

Despite our own falling numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Hibs have sold the most behind Celtic at this stage at least.

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Originally Posted by Sir Alf R

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

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This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

I've been saying this all along, losing some / all of the Sky money would present a problem, losing a vast number of fans would see clubs close down.

Despite our own falling numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Hibs have sold the most behind Celtic at this stage at least.

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I think the pink perverts will have sold more than us...

Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

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Originally Posted by Sir Alf R

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

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So does 2600 season tickets constitute more or less than the Arabs might lose in bigotgate money and possible downscaling of the Sky dosh? I guess more, and therefore agree wholeheartedly with Charliebhoy that United should make a 'business' decision on July 4. :agree:

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

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Not so sure about what your saying. I agree that this will make or break Scottish football for a lot of people (myself included) and I also agree most the media might as well be getting printed from Ibrox itself but according to a few bits and pieces doing the rounds some of the media are deeply implicated in the Rangers farce so its to be expected this PR bullkeech.

As for the football authorities, something has changed. Noticed no-one is hearing a thing from Doncaster who surely was Rangers biggest cheerleader until very recently. I have a feeling we wont be seeing any kind of whitewash now, my impression is that Rangers (old or new) are finished, at least for some time yet. Looks like the authorities are doing everything by the book. That way there is no recourse for the Huns. Calm before the storm IMO.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

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Hmmmm, for me a business decision = a big fat NO!

I can't see any team making more money from 2 to 4 visits from Sevco fans (especially as they're stating ALL SPL grounds are being boycotted next season) compared to the losses they'd have from a yes vote when they'll lose Celtic, us and the rest of SPL teams who won't be visiting and I think every single team's own fans are also going to stay away....... So a business decision is really quite simple! :D

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Originally Posted by Sir Alf R

So a business decision is really quite simple! :D

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It certainly is.

I hope Mr Green is given the chance to understand that very point.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

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He has got to be kidding right? £100m+ of unpaid debts and he is preaching to others about doing the right thing financially? Disgusting. :rolleyes:

On BBC today

Rangers: Talks planned to discuss players' futures


Manager Ally McCoist and chief executive Charles Green will meet with members of the Rangers playing squad next week to discuss their futures.
Green's consortium moved the club's assets to a new firm and it believes player contracts can also be switched.
But legal and union opinion suggests players have the right not to be contracted to the new company.
Green said: "Alistair and I will be sitting down with them and explaining where we are."
Continue reading the main story

“As far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred”

Charles Green Rangers chief executive

The squad are contracted to Rangers Football Club plc, which is soon to be liquidated, and Green wants the deals to be moved across to his new company, which now has ownership of Ibrox Stadium and the Murray Park training ground.
The "newco" route was taken by Green's group after a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) proposal was not approved.
Players agreed wage cuts in March as the club, which entered administration the month before, reduced costs to fulfil their remaining fixtures for the 2011-12 season.
In return for reduced terms, some players had release clauses added to their contracts that allow them to leave if a set fee is offered.
A number of contracts, including those of defender Sasa Papac and forward Sone Aluko, end this summer, and the former has stated he will be moving on.
Players are due to start reporting back to Murray Park for fitness training on 28 June.
"From the moment HMRC announced they wouldn't support the CVA, we contacted the staff and had a meeting with them and the administrator made them aware," added Green.
"We as a newco started having discussions and, as far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred under Tupe [regulations].
"Of course, the difficulty is some of the players haven't been around and the likes of [Carlos] Bocanegra have been away on international duty with the USA team.
"They've also been having holidays and taking their families away, so it has been more difficult with the playing staff than the non-playing staff.
"We've been speaking to the PFA [union] though and to individual agents." END

Rangers players out of contract

• Grant Adam
• Sone Aluko
• Kyle Bartley, end of loan from Arsenal
• Gordon Dick
• Scott Gallacher
• David Healy
• Chris Hegarty
• Salim Kerkar
• Andrew Little
• Sasa Papac
• Andrew Mitchell
  
  I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?

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Not so sure about what your saying. I agree that this will make or break Scottish football for a lot of people (myself included) and I also agree most the media might as well be getting printed from Ibrox itself but according to a few bits and pieces doing the rounds some of the media are deeply implicated in the Rangers farce so its to be expected this PR bullkeech.

As for the football authorities, something has changed. Noticed no-one is hearing a thing from Doncaster who surely was Rangers biggest cheerleader until very recently. I have a feeling we wont be seeing any kind of whitewash now, my impression is that Rangers (old or new) are finished, at least for some time yet. Looks like the authorities are doing everything by the book. That way there is no recourse for the Huns. Calm before the storm IMO.

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What i'm saying is this whole thing has sickened that many folk, that season ticket sales are massively down all over the country, and that is mainly down to whats happening with Rangers. They have affected the WHOLE of Scottish football.

You might be right about things could be about to change, at the top of football and media wise, and it has to, we couldn't keep going the way it was.

I just hope if Rangers are finished/demoted not in the SPL next season, things are not that bad that we have lost those fans who have not renewed, for Hibs/Dons/Well and the likes for ever.

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Originally Posted by makaveli_619

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Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

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Originally Posted by PatHead

I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?[/LIST]

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I think the issue is if its TUPE rather than passported across would they not be entitled to all existing terms and conditions (other than pension). That won't make the cost savings they need to make.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

What i'm saying is this whole thing has sickened that many folk, that season ticket sales are massively down all over the country, and that is mainly down to whats happening with Rangers. They have affected the WHOLE of Scottish football.

You might be right about things could be about to change, at the top of football and media wise, and it has to, we couldn't keep going the way it was.

I just hope if Rangers are finished/demoted not in the SPL next season, things are not that bad that we have lost those fans who have not renewed, for Hibs/Dons/Well and the likes for ever.

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This has undoubtedly affected Scottish football and the low season tickets bought is solely IMO down to the uncertainty of the situation and fans waiting to see which way their club is voting before handing over their money. It is imperative for fans of all clubs for them to make it as clear as possible to their clubs that this is the case so that clubs cannot use the low season numbers as an excuse to weedle Rangers back into the SPL.

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Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee

So does 2600 season tickets constitute more or less than the Arabs might lose in bigotgate money and possible downscaling of the Sky dosh? I guess more, and therefore agree wholeheartedly with Charliebhoy that United should make a 'business' decision on July 4. :agree:

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Assuming they average £250, that would be £650K as an immediate hit plus all the knock on effects of a dwindling customer base. The Arab trust reckoned United would lose £300K gate money with No Huns but another £1.1M of tv money if Sky pulled out altogether.

Since Sky have said they won't pull out, the maths looks to favour a "no" to me. :agree:

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-new-deal.html

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Originally Posted by GreenPJ

I think the issue is if its TUPE rather than passported across would they not be entitled to all existing terms and conditions (other than pension). That won't make the cost savings they need to make.

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You're forgetting that they are Rangers, and therefore don't need to make cuts. They just need to find more money. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Assuming they average £250, that would be £650K as an immediate hit plus all the knock on effects of a dwindling customer base. The Arab trust reckoned United would lose £300K gate money with No Huns but another £1.1M of tv money if Sky pulled out altogether.

Since Sky have said they won't pull out, the maths looks to favour a "no" to me. :agree:

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-new-deal.html

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Dundee Utd's Early bird finishes on 3 July. Discount cost £300 for adults. Wonder if they will extend the deadline until after the vote.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

You're forgetting that they are Rangers, and therefore don't need to make cuts. They just need to find more money. :rolleyes:

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Er, no - they have a proven track record of stealing monies from the rightful ownership of others, creditors, the taxpayer and other football clubs.:greengrin

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On BBC today

Rangers: Talks planned to discuss players' futures


Manager Ally McCoist and chief executive Charles Green will meet with members of the Rangers playing squad next week to discuss their futures.
Green's consortium moved the club's assets to a new firm and it believes player contracts can also be switched.
But legal and union opinion suggests players have the right not to be contracted to the new company.
Green said: "Alistair and I will be sitting down with them and explaining where we are."
Continue reading the main story

“As far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred”

Charles Green Rangers chief executive

The squad are contracted to Rangers Football Club plc, which is soon to be liquidated, and Green wants the deals to be moved across to his new company, which now has ownership of Ibrox Stadium and the Murray Park training ground.
The "newco" route was taken by Green's group after a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) proposal was not approved.
Players agreed wage cuts in March as the club, which entered administration the month before, reduced costs to fulfil their remaining fixtures for the 2011-12 season.
In return for reduced terms, some players had release clauses added to their contracts that allow them to leave if a set fee is offered.
A number of contracts, including those of defender Sasa Papac and forward Sone Aluko, end this summer, and the former has stated he will be moving on.
Players are due to start reporting back to Murray Park for fitness training on 28 June.
"From the moment HMRC announced they wouldn't support the CVA, we contacted the staff and had a meeting with them and the administrator made them aware," added Green.
"We as a newco started having discussions and, as far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred under Tupe [regulations].
"Of course, the difficulty is some of the players haven't been around and the likes of [Carlos] Bocanegra have been away on international duty with the USA team.
"They've also been having holidays and taking their families away, so it has been more difficult with the playing staff than the non-playing staff.
"We've been speaking to the PFA [union] though and to individual agents." END

Rangers players out of contract

• Grant Adam
• Sone Aluko
• Kyle Bartley, end of loan from Arsenal
• Gordon Dick
• Scott Gallacher
• David Healy
• Chris Hegarty
• Salim Kerkar
• Andrew Little
• Sasa Papac
• Andrew Mitchell
  
  I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?

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Some thoughts re the TUPE/contracts position:

Green is right on a first principles basis, i.e. TUPE will apply and the contracts of employment will transfer to SevCo. There are, however, some important points which I would expect the PFA will have been counselling the players on:

i) Every employee has a right to object to the TUPE transfer. This has the effect of automatically terminating the contract and would mean a player can walk free as at the date of the TUPE transfer. No reason needs to be provided by the employee for objecting to the TUPE transfer - it is simply their right under TUPE.

ii) However, it would normally be expected that an employee submit their objection prior to the TUPE transfer taking place - so in this case before Green completed his smash and grab £5.5m deal at end of last week. This raises the question as to whether any players did that. If not, then TUPE regs would suggest the players will have lost their chance to object to their contracts being transferred and Green has indeed secured their contracts into SevCo.

iii) But....TUPE also states that the employees have a right to be consulted in advance regarding any proposed TUPE transfer (which would in turn inform them as to whether they would want to object to the transfer). I don't think TUPE is prescriptive regarding the length of consultation but my sense is that 90 days minimum would be required. I doubt very much whether those consultation requirements have been satisfied in this example and therefore it would be this point which I would expect the PFA to be looking closely at if a player has NOT objected prior to TUPE transfer date.

iv) One final point re TUPE pertinent to the Huns case. TUPE is primarily there to protects the Ts & Cs of Employment of employees in these situations (pensions aside). TUPE regs do, however, make an exception in the case of Insolvency related TUPE transfers which allow the newco to vary (ie reduce!) the Ts & Cs of employees. Again, one that you would expect the PFA to be highlighting to their members....

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Some thoughts re the TUPE/contracts position:

Green is right on a first principles basis, i.e. TUPE will apply and the contracts of employment will transfer to SevCo. There are, however, some important points which I would expect the PFA will have been counselling the players on:

i) Every employee has a right to object to the TUPE transfer. This has the effect of automatically terminating the contract and would mean a player can walk free as at the date of the TUPE transfer. No reason needs to be provided by the employee for objecting to the TUPE transfer - it is simply their right under TUPE.

ii) However, it would normally be expected that an employee submit their objection prior to the TUPE transfer taking place - so in this case before Green completed his smash and grab £5.5m deal at end of last week. This raises the question as to whether any players did that. If not, then TUPE regs would suggest the players will have lost their chance to object to their contracts being transferred and Green has indeed secured their contracts into SevCo.

iii) But....TUPE also states that the employees have a right to be consulted in advance regarding any proposed TUPE transfer (which would in turn inform them as to whether they would want to object to the transfer). I don't think TUPE is prescriptive regarding the length of consultation but my sense is that 90 days minimum would be required. I doubt very much whether those consultation requirements have been satisfied in this example and therefore it would be this point which I would expect the PFA to be looking closely at if a player has NOT objected prior to TUPE transfer date.

iv) One final point re TUPE pertinent to the Huns case. TUPE is primarily there to protects the Ts & Cs of Employment of employees in these situations (pensions aside). TUPE regs do, however, make an exception in the case of Insolvency related TUPE transfers which allow the newco to vary (ie reduce!) the Ts & Cs of employees. Again, one that you would expect the PFA to be highlighting to their members....

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Good post and one that makes it clear that the players contracts cannot be part of servco yet…Green’s comments are somewhat bizarre he seems to be saying the players are his yet in the same breath saying it’s been hard to contact some (all) of the players…as you have made clear you can’t simply TUPE people without their knowledge or acceptance. Also his version of events would suggest the whole squad were transferred on existing wages, simply not an option for such a illiquid takeover effort.

Sounds to me like all players are still contracted to old Rangers, they are being paid from the asset sale proceeds and if no TUPE agreement is made will be free agents when old Rangers formally goes into liquidation.

Also your post has made it quite clear that players can refuse TUPE and become free agents. For any player of quality this will clearly be their best option as Servco will not be able to match their existing wage.

Green as ever is talking riddles and comes across as someone who has title to something but he and everyone else is not entirely sure what. He also seems to be having to react to events rather than dictate them so it’s pretty obvious he has little or no ability to direct or influence the course of coming events…events that will soon see Servco without any real playing squad to talk of, no income and no league to play in. Shame

http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

Post on FF. Chris McLaughlan BBC, reporting an £11m bid from two Scottish millionaires to be announced.

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http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

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Considering whoever bought the club/assets/whatever could walk away scot-free anyway (either with the CVA accepted or a newco set up), I don't understand why folk would be willing to pay £11m now but not offer anything to buy the club pre-CVA for less.

It's now 21 days since the case at the Court of Session and I believe that's the limit for an appeal. Time for the SFA's tribunal to reconvene and decide on a punishment to replace the transfer embargo. A one year suspension from all Scottish football seems appropriate to me as the earlier attempt to be lenient and help them to continue as a football club was thrown back in the tribunal's faces.

Also there must be serious reservations about Sevco's ability to complete their fixtures in any division. There's doubt about whether they have any players and the club's funding is at best unclear.

Just found my new favourite quote of the whole saga hahahahahaha

" Personally i am sick to the back teeth of these attacks. Its fcking constant and absolutely out of order. If such tactics were adopted against, say the Asian community there would be worldwide condemnation. But its ok cos its just rangers."

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Just found my new favourite quote of the whole saga hahahahahaha

" Personally i am sick to the back teeth of these attacks. Its fcking constant and absolutely out of order. If such tactics were adopted against, say the Asian community there would be worldwide condemnation. But its ok cos its just rangers."

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Talking about favourite quotes, can anyone trace the excellent one which beautifully summed up sporting integrity over financial expediency?

Cut & Paste from RTC blog. But sums it up perfectly for me.

Amidst all the excitement two things strike me;

1. Any self-respecting, blue-blooded Scottish businessman knows that to keep Ra Peeps in the trophy laden manner they demand requires massive ongoing investment with no return other than kudos. The evidence is there for all to see. No European football = no star players = no trophies = no full houses = no European football = no star players = no trophies = no full houses ad infinitum. It’s a vicious, money sapping circle. Vilification would ensue for any ‘saviours’ who can’t match the DM glory years. Hence Knights and Cardigans various have all had a sniff and backed away. A bottomless pit for their cash and way too much hassle.

2. SPL chairmen vote Sevco Bears into SPL, seconded by the SFA = a worldwide ban for Scottish football. The men from UEFA/FIFA will say non! They simply won’t allow it.

Conclusion; Division 3 is the only option for Sevco Bears, both financially and legislatively. Even that is increasingly beginning to look like a long shot. Nice.

I think the part in bold might have something to do with future BDO/HMRC investigations as well. Which is also 'nice'.

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Post on FF. Chris McLaughlan BBC, reporting an £11m bid from two Scottish millionaires to be announced.

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One of whom is (or was) disqualified from being a Director for 7 years!!

They also owed the taxman and hd their business liquidated.

That Chris McLaughlan is simply a mouthpiece for Green and Jack Irvine (Hun PR)

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It's now 21 days since the case at the Court of Session and I believe that's the limit for an appeal. Time for the SFA's tribunal to reconvene and decide on a punishment to replace the transfer embargo. A one year suspension from all Scottish football seems appropriate to me as the earlier attempt to be lenient and help them to continue as a football club was thrown back in the tribunal's faces.

Also there must be serious reservations about Sevco's ability to complete their fixtures in any division. There's doubt about whether they have any players and the club's funding is at best unclear.

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Much more sensible, surely, to wait until after 4 July?

If they're dead, how can you apply a sanction to a dead club. If Sevco Utd are allowed to take their share they do it on condition they accept this punishment.

Problem is if you do it now, they're saying they're the same Club. Which they aint.

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Good post and one that makes it clear that the players contracts cannot be part of servco yet…Green’s comments are somewhat bizarre he seems to be saying the players are his yet in the same breath saying it’s been hard to contact some (all) of the players…as you have made clear you can’t simply TUPE people without their knowledge or acceptance. Also his version of events would suggest the whole squad were transferred on existing wages, simply not an option for such a illiquid takeover effort.

Sounds to me like all players are still contracted to old Rangers, they are being paid from the asset sale proceeds and if no TUPE agreement is made will be free agents when old Rangers formally goes into liquidation.

Also your post has made it quite clear that players can refuse TUPE and become free agents. For any player of quality this will clearly be their best option as Servco will not be able to match their existing wage.

Green as ever is talking riddles and comes across as someone who has title to something but he and everyone else is not entirely sure what. He also seems to be having to react to events rather than dictate them so it’s pretty obvious he has little or no ability to direct or influence the course of coming events…events that will soon see Servco without any real playing squad to talk of, no income and no league to play in. Shame

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Every single one of those players will be too terrified to 'walk away' now. They just need to bide their time. This is all going to end in disaster for the Hun - potentially no football AT ALL imho.

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This has undoubtedly affected Scottish football and the low season tickets bought is solely IMO down to the uncertainty of the situation and fans waiting to see which way their club is voting before handing over their money. It is imperative for fans of all clubs for them to make it as clear as possible to their clubs that this is the case so that clubs cannot use the low season numbers as an excuse to weedle Rangers back into the SPL.

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If the chairmen make the right decision then I will be right round to ER for my season ticket. Who's with me? :flag:

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Much more sensible, surely, to wait until after 4 July?

If they're dead, how can you apply a sanction to a dead club. If Sevco Utd are allowed to take their share they do it on condition they accept this punishment.

Problem is if you do it now, they're saying they're the same Club. Which they aint.

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Agree, this July 4th vote should be blown to bits now ala HMRC rejecting CVA 24hrs in advance of the vote, rod should get on the blower 6 chairmen all release statements that they will vote no on July 4th and everyone knows where they stand

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

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Spot on, BH.
The reason the SFA/SPL and all their followfollowers have dragged their heels in this RFC escapade is because they're all part of the same fungus.
Scottish Football? Rip it up and start again - bin all the dodgy officials from Ogilvie to CT and on.

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http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

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Land Developers!That should have the huns shivering.

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http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

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Quite interesting that one of them is a Celtic season ticket holder and they are property developers

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Land Developers!That should have the huns shivering.

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And Celtic fans, ho ho ho

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One of whom is (or was) disqualified from being a Director for 7 years!!

They also owed the taxman and hd their business liquidated.

That Chris McLaughlan is simply a mouthpiece for Green and Jack Irvine (Hun PR)

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Just read about these two.

Business wound up due to unpaid tax, directors ban.

They do say ***** attracts flies.

This whole thing stinks, could not agree more with BH also, the whole of Scottish Football suffers because of a bigoted, corrupt cesspit.

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If the chairmen make the right decision then I will be right round to ER for my season ticket. Who's with me? :flag:

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Me + a ticket for my lad. 5th July if all goes well and the right thing is done.

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Just read about these two.

Business wound up due to unpaid tax, directors ban.

They do say ***** attracts flies.

This whole thing stinks, could not agree more with BH also, the whole of Scottish Football suffers because of a bigoted, corrupt cesspit.

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Rangers Tax Case blogger chap on Twitter having a go at Chris McLaughlin - basically saying this new bid is "amateurish" and "has no chance"...and that CM shouldn't have given it air time on BBC. The two of them are having a right proper spat on Twitter - quite funny! :greengrin

Kickstart 2000 (aka Gary Mackay) bumped for nearly £120K by Rangers (presumably commission on the Wallace deal).

http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles...~177463,00.pdf

I just don't see there being a Rangers playing football anywhere in Scotland on August 4th.

There are way too many investigations, court cases, contract disputes etc., not to mention a complete lack of actual cash for them to be anywhere near ready in time.

In won't be down to the vote of SPL clubs or the result of the BTC, it will simply be down to time. There's not enough of it for them.:greengrin

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Talking about favourite quotes, can anyone trace the excellent one which beautifully summed up sporting integrity over financial expediency?

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Is it this one from john McBeth?

"If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport.''


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18265663

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Kickstart 2000 (aka Gary Mackay) bumped for nearly £120K by Rangers (presumably commission on the Wallace deal).

http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles...~177463,00.pdf

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Every cloud...

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This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

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Just read this reply and you have summed it up very well ll Blackpool, even if newco are in Div 3 then it really has opened up a lot of fans eyes about how the Scottish game is run and the media behind it. While I think most of us knew the game was run for the benefit of the 2 we never really could quite prove it, yes they got the dodgy decisions, but we never saw the level of submissivnes( is that the right word) that we are seeing from the authorities and the media we are seeing now. As I say even with newco in division 3 then I think Scottish football has lost some fans forever, and those that continue to go

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

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Just read this reply and you have summed it up very well ll Blackpool, even if newco are in Div 3 then it really has opened up a lot of fans eyes about how the Scottish game is run and the media behind it. While I think most of us knew the game was run for the benefit of the 2 we never really could quite prove it, yes they got the dodgy decisions, but we never saw the level of submissivnes( is that the right word) that we are seeing from the authorities and the media we are seeing now. As I say even with newco in division 3 then I think Scottish football has lost some fans forever, and even those that continue to go may feel something has been lost. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.

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Is it this one from john McBeth?

"If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport.''


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18265663

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The very one...................... The quote of the thread IMHO. Thanks.

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Agree, this July 4th vote should be blown to bits now ala HMRC rejecting CVA 24hrs in advance of the vote, rod should get on the blower 6 chairmen all release statements that they will vote no on July 4th and everyone knows where they stand

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The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

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The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

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:agree: That's a good shout, though they should include Celtc in it as well - no need to alienate them just now.

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The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

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I would even include Celtic. Make it unanimous.

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:agree: That's a good shout, though they should include Celtc in it as well - no need to alienate them just now.

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Particularly as Celtic might have to be one of the five.

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Just read about these two.

Business wound up due to unpaid tax, directors ban.

They do say ***** attracts flies.

This whole thing stinks, could not agree more with BH also, the whole of Scottish Football suffers because of a bigoted, corrupt cesspit.

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THIS is them. :greengrin


ps Sorry , link not working ..........it's an article about one of their businesses going bust.

404 Error Message: Page Not Found on www.dailyrecord.co.uk

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Just read this reply and you have summed it up very well ll Blackpool, even if newco are in Div 3 then it really has opened up a lot of fans eyes about how the Scottish game is run and the media behind it. While I think most of us knew the game was run for the benefit of the 2 we never really could quite prove it, yes they got the dodgy decisions, but we never saw the level of submissivnes( is that the right word) that we are seeing from the authorities and the media we are seeing now. As I say even with newco in division 3 then I think Scottish football has lost some fans forever, and even those that continue to go may feel something has been lost. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.

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Of course, there is the other perspective on what comes out of all of this. Rangers are booted out/to Div 3, we rid our top league of the overwhelming majority of the inherent sectarianism, our media's views are reinvented, better distribution amongst clubs of TV money and commercial influence, increased competition, governance structures simplified and more transparent, greater fan influence. All of which = brighter future = more interest in the game. Won't happen overnight clearly - but I'm an optimist!

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Hopefully when it all comes out we won't have to keep reading p15h like this;



The club has subjected its followers to various indignities over the past couple of years and not the least of them is an obligation to assert endlessly the continued ownership of their own back story. Rangers are being told – forcibly and repeatedly – that they have "lost" their history. No ifs, no buts: it was flushed away when Rangers Football Club plc was plunged into liquidation last Thursday. Nine-in-a-row? Barcelona 1972? Others would scoop those memories out of their brains if they could.

Scottish football is still getting its head around the full implications of Rangers being liquidated and attempting to pull the pieces back together in order to continue playing next season. Even that sort of innocuous statement can bring a swift slapdown from the armies of angry detractors populating the social media: get it into your head, there is no Rangers, they're dead and gone, deceased, the SPL's ex-parrot. According to the more hysterical, even referring to them as Rangers at all it is "peddling the myth that they are alive and well". Many won't be happy unless every mention comes with some sort of footnote, suffix or asterisk, lest anyone be under the impression that a skeletal hand is rising up through the soil on Rangers' grave.


Well, fine, the point has been made often enough by now. But if people are going to carry on hectoring about what they should really be called every time the word "Rangers" is used, this will soon become tedious beyond belief. It's one of those contrived issues, really. No-one in offices, cafes or pubs is going to go around calling them anything but Rangers for very long, regardless of what it says on the paperwork at Companies House. It's the obvious and inevitable shorthand for the football club playing its home games at Ibrox next season.


Rangers fans will simply have to suck it up for a while, in the hope that Celtic supporters and others will eventually exhaust themselves in the schadenfreude of their numerous embarrassments. They insist they should be called Sevco 5088, or Club 12, or Zombie FC, or countless unprintable alternatives, and there was further grist to the mill when it emerged yesterday that the Charles Green consortium cannot yet legally use the name "The Rangers Football Club", as they intend to. That title will have to be approved by liquidators BDO, and BDO cannot give that approval because they have yet to take control of the club's affairs.


It amounts to yet another little defeat in a seemingly endless sequence of them, not to mention confusing the issue of what working name should be used between Green and the SPL while the former tries to secure the latter's approval at a meeting of all 12 member clubs on June 4.


Most Rangers fans long for a future when the club has navigated itself back to prominence in the SPL, winning trophies and playing to full houses at Ibrox. In the meantime they will insist that the newco is a continuation of their history, and to hell with what anyone else says. They will watch a team in blue at Ibrox, they'll sing the same songs, cherish the same heroes – Jim Baxter, Davie Cooper, Ian Durrant – and buy scarves and flags celebrating nine straight titles and a European Cup-Winners' Cup.


The notion that none of that would be the newco's history is not going to be taken seriously anywhere around Ibrox. The line taken by the club itself will be that both the oldco and the newco amount to the corporate structure running Rangers Football Club, which was the entity which won all the trophies and which carries on regardless. Expect to see all the silverware – the 54 titles, 60 domestic cups and European trophy – being listed in the match programme the next time they play at home.


The obvious comparison is how Airdrie United deal with Airdrieonians' history. Airdrie United was formed in 2002 after Airdrieonians went bust. They secured a place in the Scottish Football League by buying out Clydebank FC, relocating it to Airdrie and changing the strips to the old Airdrieonians colours. In essence, the club which finished fourth in the Second Division last season is a reincarnation of Clydebank which its supporters see instead as a reborn Airdrieonians. Under "Club History" on their website, the headline reads: "The Past Cannot be Forgotten". The section highlights that Airdrieonians played in four Scottish Cup finals, winning one, and played in Europe in 1992. Great old names like Hughie Gallacher and Bob McPhail are celebrated.


"Their" history is Airdieonians' rather than Clydebank's for one simple reason: it is their supporters' wish. It will be the same at Rangers, no matter how often the realities of liquidation and newco status are hammered home to them by others insisting that they have a clean slate and no right to celebrate what "another club" won.


In one regard the history of Rangers is way too significant for petty pointscoring. The club suffered Scottish football's greatest loss of life when 66 fans died in the 1971 Ibrox disaster, a tragedy mourned by fans of all clubs but most deeply felt by Rangers. That memory must endure, commemorated annually and visibly. What happened on Stairway 13 is as poignantly relevant to any new Rangers as it was to the old one.




Bringing up the Ibrox disaster is just risible.

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Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

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Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

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I think it was Michael Grant in The Herald.

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Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

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OMG that article takes deflection, rewriting of events and misrepresentation of facts to a whole new level. The campaign to get Rangers off scot free was always going to ramp up but to roll out the Ibrox disaster as a reason to ensure their 'history' remains intact is pathetic and insulting to grieving families. The disaster should be remembered for the tragic loss of life and the impetus for bringing forward improvements in stadia not for getting financial crooks off the hook.

The rest of the article trying to elicit sympathy for the poor put upon bigoted hordes is sycophantic nonsense and my money would be on apologist in chief Traynor.

The link to the ibrox disaster is disgusting .. The directors of rangers fc are responsible for cheating their way to the situation they find themselves in... And I never expected the weedgie press to collude in the way they have done

What was it Walter Myth said yesterday? Good luck to the new Rangers Football Club. Yep, the NEW Rangers Football Club.

The 26,000 small investors of Rangers Football Club now have nothing. They thought they owned part of the Football Club, not some 'holding company'. Do these 26,000 own part of the NEW Rangers Football Club?

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I just don't see there being a Rangers playing football anywhere in Scotland on August 4th.

There are way too many investigations, court cases, contract disputes etc., not to mention a complete lack of actual cash for them to be anywhere near ready in time.

In won't be down to the vote of SPL clubs or the result of the BTC, it will simply be down to time. There's not enough of it for them.:greengrin

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:agree: time and documentation/paperwork

If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this. Whether it is due to centuries of sectarian attitudes being acceptable in Scotland, if often with a nod and a wink. Was it simply the fact that one clubs overweening ambition and arrogance, coupled with their reputed financial power, made Scottish journalists adopt a supine attitude to all things Rangers. I honestly don't know I suspect its a combination of all the above. What the Fifth Estate have totally underestimated, if not completely ignored is the power and importance of non-Rangers supporters in Scotland. This is self-evident, in their inability to comprehend the anger and disgust of many of the supporters of Scotland's thirty seven other football clubs as this saga has played out. So essentially what we are being told from the media is just accept your role as bit players in the mighty Rangers story and shut up. To those journalists and others who have peddled this line down the years, I'm afraid its time to face reality, the world that is Scottish football must undergo change or die.

Couldn't the SPL just stop the split?
When FC Sevco go to the 3rd div,Couldn't the SPL restructure for more matches?
More matches=more money
Surely this would go a long way to equalizing annual income from the loss of Sevco?

I know it makes for a long season for the players but hey,they get well payed.

Makes sense to me but maybe i'm missing something.

I doubt there's time, it's going to screw with Dundee enough as it is to go from preparing for the 1st Division to being tossed into the SPL.

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Originally Posted by calmac12000

If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this.

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Don't think it's rocket surgery. Young, Traynor and the rest aren't journalists at all - they're just lazy *******s living in suits, churning out OF PR pap. Alex Thomson uncovered more in a couple of hours of becoming interested than those clowns managed in months. Simply by asking questions and finding things out, like what proper journalists do.

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Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee

Don't think it's rocket surgery. Young, Traynor and the rest aren't journalists at all - they're just lazy *******s living in suits, churning out OF PR pap. Alex Thomson uncovered more in a couple of hours of becoming interested than those clowns managed in months. Simply by asking questions and finding things out, like what proper journalists do.

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Rocket surgery
Lol

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I think it was Michael Grant in The Herald.

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:agree:

Like McLaughlan, at the BBC, Grant has been a propagandist for the Huns and D&P since they went into admin.

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Originally Posted by Offside Trap

Of course, there is the other perspective on what comes out of all of this. Rangers are booted out/to Div 3, we rid our top league of the overwhelming majority of the inherent sectarianism, our media's views are reinvented, better distribution amongst clubs of TV money and commercial influence, increased competition, governance structures simplified and more transparent, greater fan influence. All of which = brighter future = more interest in the game. Won't happen overnight clearly - but I'm an optimist!

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You are an optimist! I have a fear that in 3 or 4 years time we will be back to square one and little if any lessons will have been learnt. I really hope I am wrong though.