But he didn't say it was £10 an hour. He said it was about £10 an hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Shirley the more important thing about hourly rates is that some people earn £8 or £10 an hour while others (including him) earn 40, 50 or 100 times that amount an hour. Bojoke should be getting slaughtered for wanting to increase that disparity by giving the latter group tax cuts, not the fact that he doesn't know the precise figures for this year.
Yes, but my point still stands. We see politicians on the left who aren't even in power being hounded by the media for making mistakes on more intricate figures. Yet here we are with the future PM who doesn't even know what the national living wage is and he's just given a free pass on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
It's almost as if the right own the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Yes, that's true. It's practically the only silver lining to Brexit that it's stopped the Tories getting up to much else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Pints of milk apparently. Whenever journalists interview politicians (or celebs for that matter) on living costs they always ask the cost of a pint of milk!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Why would it shock you, that a London based MP (and former mayor of London) may have the value of the London Living Wage somewhere in his head (which is £10.55 p/h) more readily than the NLW? I wasn't entirely sure of the NLW - as you say, if you know it, you know it - anyone on a good salary, and who doesn't need to employ workers and pay them the NLW probably wouldn't know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I get that he's a politician, about to enter the fray as PM (most likely), but I'd wager there are a few on all sides of the HoC that couldn't answer you to the penny what it was.
I deplore Boris and most of what he stands for, but this is a poor attempt at point scoring.
The national living wage is £8.21 in London, the same as everywhere else in the UK. Remember, the national living wage is simply a rebranding of the minimum wage. London does have a sort of secondary living wage system that "recommends" businesses pay £10.55 p/h. But businesses in London are under no legal obligation to pay it and those working entry level jobs in the public sector in London only get paid £8.21 an hour as the UK Government doesn't endorse the recommended London living wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
Boris Johnson as future PM should have been fully aware of this. He is completely out of his depth and hasn't even stepped foot in office yet.
So why aren’t politicians not briefed on the national living wage and the price of milk?Quote:
Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales
Have it memorised!
Incidentally, I have no idea what a pint of milk is or until the other day what the living wage level was.
But then, I’m not vying to be Prime Minister.
J
It's a quantity of nutritional fluid that humans steal from a potential calf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Hunt promises to bring back fox hunting. ****. :rolleyes:
In that case. The Scottish Government should implement a shoot Jeremy Hunt on site policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
That gives Bojoke a dilemma. Should he go for dog fighting or bear baiting? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Or sending 7 year old's up lums ? A race to the bottom between this cretin and the other one. One of those is going to be our PM. And Trump in the White House, God help us. If Scotland doesn't go for Independance now we never will.
Not so much liars as trying to hide the truth. Lots of reports that IPSOS MORI did polls for the Conservatives on Scottish independence among other things. And they are keeping them secret, sort of.
https://twitter.com/YesTories/status...325611008?s=19
How can I find out whether I'm an Oppidan? It seems to be important.
Couldn't agree more with this. Exactly what iScotland won't be:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...narrow-section
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The prime minister who got us into this Brexit mess a few years back went to the same school and joined the same supper club at the same university as the person who will most likely be prime minister in a few weeks’ time. Nobody thinks that is an uncanny coincidence. It’s how Britain works. It’s also why it’s not working.
If you had to ask, you're most probably a Wykehamist! :na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Just so long as I don't have to **** a pig to fit in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Boris, Hunt and Cameron went th the same school, uni and attended the same Supper Club. The gene pool from which they all came from is gettong smaller and smaller. End up marrying 2nd or 3rd cousins or the like. If you think politicians are bad now wait unti[ their children come to power.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Actually while Boris and Dave were at Eton, Hunt was practically down and out, slumming it at Charterhouse College.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
https://iscaschools.com/wordpress-cm...r-1200x600.jpg
Puir wee scone.
Perth and Kinross Council tweet the roads around the concert hall are closed for a "public event" does this mean anyone can attend? 😉
A Perth cafe was offering free milkshake this afternoon for the visit of BJ
I don't think Hunt is related to his wife. He's not even sure what part of the world she comes from.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
I'll wait til next time they have a milkshake visiting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Originally Posted by Future17
:tsk tsk::lips seal:tee hee:
It's not really a journey, all my life I wanted Scottish independence but I don't see being a member of a broken EU ( AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE BROKEN WHEN WE LEAVE ) as being independent at all. I believe we will be far better off as a United Kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
When I voted for independence coming out of the EU wasn't an issue.
Better the devil you know as they say, the EU will be a totally different animal minus the UK., and a lot poorer.
When you voted for independence we were told that we would not be able to stay in the EU, and it would be interesting to know what you think will make the 27 poorer without the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapper
I think it's a widely held view they will be poorer without the UK's contribution. If I'm mistaken on that I apologise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The UK leaving the EU will obviously have a negative effect on both the UK and EU. However the UK losing 27 partners will have a much more dramatic effect on the UK than the EU losing 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapper
In 2016 the UK contribution was 13%, not inconsiderable, but not insurmountable. However, taking into account the money spent in the UK by the EU our net contribution is around 4%of the EU total budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapper
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Yeah... a widely held view within the English region of the UK. The same region that said Scotland would be considerably poorer if we left the UK. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapper
John Harris in the Graun, pointing out that BoJo (a walking ideological desert) is getting his policy ideas from the clowns behind "Britannia Unchained", a manifesto for small state, low regulation (easy hire, easy fire) **** the poor politics.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nnia-unchained
This Tory debate is so bad I’m yearning for Cameron.
How can anybody in Scotland watch this and think:
"Yep.... this is far better than the struggle of being in control."
???
Julie Etchingham was quite good. Maybe she could be PM?
https://twitter.com/scottories/statu...682326530?s=21
Scottish Tories blaming Scottish govt for high level of drug deaths despite drug policy being reserved and repeated requests for it to be devolved.
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I've watched the 1st 15 minutes of the documentary on BBC2 about BSE/CJD, it gets more horrifying by the minute.
If you need any further proof of what really matters to the Conservative party or proof that they are lying ****bags then I suggest watching it.
Scandalous.
No mention of the tories in the documentary though eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
There was multiple mentions of the Tories thoughtout the early part including footage from the House of Commons, the infamous footage of John Gummer giving the burger to his daughter, repeated mentions of the then Governments insistence British beef was safe, footage of Tory MPs eating steak tartar, extensive mention of Thatchers privatisation of school meals and repeated criticisms of the conduct of the Ministry of Agriculture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Do you actually even believe ha!f of what you post?
I've spoken to a few people who were involved in public health policy throughout the whole episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The idea of "the prion" is terrifying - a small protein that couldn't be killed with conventional sterilisation methods, it is very different to bacteria, viruses, fungi etc, and it is even more terrifying to think that they didn't at that time have a clue what these things were and how they behave.
I'm still not convinced that we have really learned all that many lessons and I"m sure that an outbreak of something truly horrific is still possible. The use of a lot of single use instruments in medicine has managed to minimise the risk of cross infection but now we are getting all eco-friendly, people are starting to question single use instruments, the use of plastics etc and I'm pretty uncomfortable about where this all might go.
I'll need to see this documentary.
Were their faces zoomed in, with the colours washed out, with eerie music playing away in the background?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Given your conviction, however incorrect, that there was no mention of the Tories in the documentary I'm assuming you watched it therefore you don't need me to tell you the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Unless of course you took umbrage at a documentary you didn't even see because of your pathological hatred of the BBC.
I didn't watch it. But you're right. I already knew the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
So just to be clear you stated there was 'no mention of the Tories' yet you didn't even watch the documentary so had no idea if what you said is accurate? For someone who gets very hung up on the truth and encouraging people to look for the 'facts' that doesn't seem a very rational thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I can't say I'm surprised though.
Must just be my pathological hatred of the BBC. Only perfectly saine people indulge in such blatant propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Saine? Freudian slip? 🤔😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
It's amazing you have managed to get your frillies in a twist about a documentary you didn't see based on my post which was critical of the Conservative Party from start to finish because of my own disgust at them having viewed the programme in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
It just screams someone who is just looking for an argument at every turn.
This is magic.
https://youtu.be/V3TT1VE8Jq0
12 of the 13 Scottish Tories voted to shut down parliament to enable a no deal Brexit.
Boris now has the Scottish Tories in his back pocket, and Ruth can't do a thing about it.
Was Ruth the one who voted against/abstained?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
We shouldn't be too surprised. They'd all vote to shut down Holyrood as well if that option was on the table.
For all that Ruth has delusions of grandeur, she is still not an MP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Westminster. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I see the Tories are allowing 15 yr olds to vote for the next Leader/Prime Minister. Goes against the grain when they refuse 16 yr olds the vote in other elections.
Shysters.
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
In my defence, she's far closer to Westminster in heart and in mind than she is to Holyrood. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
It's tory policy though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
"If your age group doesn't support us, then you're at the wrong age to vote....... unless you're fully signed up members of the Conservative Party."
Do you believe all 16/17 year olds in Scotland should have the vote? Would their 'named person' accompany them to the polling station?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
How is that going anyway, how many millions have been wasted to date? Money that could have been spent on vunerable children where the resources should be allocated to in the first place.
Yes, I do believe all 16/17 year olds in Scotland should have the vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Are you saying you would rather resources were spent on a small number of vulnerable children (due to the vast majority going unidentified)? As opposed to more resources going into indentifying as many vulnerable children as possible?
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Fair enough, I would have thought you would support the vote for 16/17 year olds as they would boost the Indy vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I don't believe every single child in Scotland requires a named person. As you allude to it’s already extremely difficult to protect vulnerable children. This plan is stretching limited resources even further by creating a scheme that applies to all children regardless of need.
Named Persons are also very likely to be over-cautious in referring issues to social services, which will then further create unnecessary work for social workers, again diverting their time and preventing them to help the most vulnerable and needy children.
I meant "do". :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Why take the risk of vulnerable children going through their childhood unidentified, just so children who aren't currently vulnerable don't have somebody to talk to? Any non-vulnerable child right now, could become vulnerable at any moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
The health and safety of children come first beyond all else. If there aren't enough social workers to deal with the level of vulnerable level of children identified, then that just means we'll have to find ways of investing more in that area.
So old enough to vote but young enough to still have to have a named person. Strange contradiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
You can cut it lots of ways, but I don't believe every single child in Scotland needs one, for the reasons I have given.
I am not alone, the British Association for Adoption and Fostering Scotland have stated the Named Person provision will “get in the way of ensuring that those who really need support actually receive it”.
Police Scotland has already highlighted evidence of wellbeing assessments causing “significant” time delay in children being removed from abusive
situations.
I believe it will never happen anyway, it has been tied up in the courts for years now wasting more money.
Don't think many people who think that 16/17 year olds should get to vote do so because they feel they would vote the way they want, would imagine that most of them think that if you are old enough to pay tax then you should get to have a say in who spends your tax moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
I think it's pretty apparent that the majority of youngsters are pretty forward thinking due to the Internet and information now being on demand and it's scaring the old guard big time who will try to keep the status quo
Specifically on the Tories, do you think it's right that they'll allow a 15 year old to cast a vote in this instance but not others..... Apologies for going away from the OP I know it's not lying but at least it's still the Tories.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
No, it's not right, they should be consistent. It should be 18 and over if that's what the general election rules are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Are you saying that people with named guardians shouldn't be allowed to vote? What about people with carers or support workers? Should they also be excluded from voting in your view?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
What reasons are those?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Nice bit of selective quoting there. They also stated: "BAAF Scotland generally welcomes the Bill. We recognise that many of the details of the wide-ranging proposals will be in subsequent regulations and guidance."Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Shall I address your use of selective quoting again?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Believe whatever you like. You may be right, you may be wrong. Suppose only time will really tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I am sure they welcome the bill if it does not get in the way, I absolutely think it will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
It will stretch already scare resources, I don't see how it can't.
I don't think time will tell, it will never happen and quietly dropped in the coming years.
"I absolutely think" and "I don't think" are just your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Or taken directly from this site, which makes no attempt at balance in it's selective use of quotes. - https://no2np.org/
Ta, agree consistency is key.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
It is an interesting one because instinctively I agree but rationally I recognise we are talking two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
The electoral franchise is the electoral franchise and while I agree it should be consistent, it does raise questions of what happens should the administration of the day in Westminster, Holyrood, Cardiff or Stormont (if it ever resumes) find itself wishing to pursue a particular and potentially controversial direction e.g. votes for 16 year olds, votes for prisoners etc etc AND this isn’t the view of other administrations. There are cross-border mechanisms for resolving such issues, involving ministers and civil servants but when it comes to social policy issues, I’m not sure if they can always resolve such things.
Technically, the Tory leadership election isn’t electoral franchise, it’s I guess an essentially private election for members of a political party, or rather constituency associations, grouped together under an umbrella that is the ‘Conservative Party’. Their Young Conservatives wing are regarded as full members of their constituency associations and therefore get to vote as full members. I’m guessing based on the reporting that the minimum age for YCs is 15.
It doesn’t seem necessarily the best way of deciding a new PM to say the least, but Labour isn’t dissimilar, certainly when it had the bloc union votes prior to OMOV, and perhaps still, in the advent of a mass swelling of membership due to low joining rates and the retaining of affiliate union votes. I’m not up to speed with the process for Lib Dems , Greens, SNP, Brexit Party, Plaid Cymru but I am sure they will have foibles they could be challenged upon.
Just another example of the complicated and idiosyncratic system of constitutional politics on these islands. We could have adopted a formal constitution like France or the USA but it would be so less interesting :greengrin
As did some Tory dud, failed leadership contender on the Daily Politics show, when an SNP spokesperson was explaining what she thought was behind the appallingly figures. It was cringworthy stuff from him. Total arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
BIG G
It has always seemed to me that the age of 16, when you can marry and start a family or join the Armed Forces to be sent goodness knows where in the world,is enough to persuade me that 16 year old Universal Suffrage in the UK is long overdue. You are right @ronaldo7 these hypocritical horrors have argued for years that at 16 you are not mature enough to know what you are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
BIG G
I think this thread is a better place to discuss this as the born liar is about to become leader of the self serving shysters.
Career liar Boris stitched up by a kipper.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...hnson-s-kipper
How cringeworthy can this lot get?
https://i.ibb.co/gvR1DsY/cringe.png
Be thankful? Thankful for what? Getting some more of our own tax revenue back? :confused:
Excellent write up from the insightful Fintan O'Toole on Johnson:
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/201...n-ham-of-fate/
I enjoyed that, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
:agree: F O'T never disappoints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
That's a great read.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Right on the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
From the BBC's article on Johnson meeting Davidson:
"Talk of the Scottish Conservatives forming a breakaway party is premature. Ms Davidson says she will not allow it to happen on her watch. And a Scottish separation is not exactly a good look for a party that is supposed to be wholeheartedly supporting the Union between Scotland and the rest of the UK.
It may not solve any issues for the Tories in Scotland anyway. As one former Tory strategist put it to me - when they rebranded Marathon bars as Snickers they still had peanuts inside and if you have a nut allergy they are still a problem".
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Brexit latest: Number of UK firms in critical financial distress soars 17%
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8891451.html
That's Boris done the box ticking exercise of visiting the "regions". Back to the metropolis to continue telling the masses to be positive.
Monday, it was the SNP's fault.
Tuesday it was Welsh labour.
Wednesday, after dining with his DUP mates, you could take your pick from Sinn Fein, or the Irish government.
Next up will be the EU intransigence.
His spokesdummies have been pumping that one out for about a week now. Laughably transparent strategy, but due in no small part to his Telegraph lies in previous decades it will probably work.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Had one clown on today speaking about 'our precious United Kingdom which has existed for 400 years. Wrong. The United Kingdom was formed in 1922 when 26 counties of the 32 in Ireland broke away to form Eire.
Anyway, Right wing Tories could well see the break up of the UK due to their desire for Brexix. Cant come soon enough.
Indeed. The Tory papers constantly criticise the SNP govt yet never criticise the Tories who utimately control the purse strings through govt grants. Unfortunately some gullible folk fall for this. The beaten generation,reared on a diet of predijuce and misinformation. Matt Johnsons words 35 years ago and totally relevant now. They have always been lying tax dodging loathsome people but their level of incompetence is actually overtaking their rabid right wing tendencies as just as damaging to ordinary folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7
Why we can't trust the media in this county and why it frustrates me to no end that people still continue to do so.
https://i.ibb.co/GQwBPH5/eu-press-lies.png
https://i.ibb.co/GQwBPH5/eu-press-lies.png (Direct Link for larger image)
My wife fell for the curved banana's one until she remembered the date was April 1st.
Just so that you know, the Scottish Tories are liars
https://twitter.com/ScotTories/statu...242699264?s=19
You just gave me another grey hair. 35 years? F*** me!Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
Ruth Davidson now the most unpopular "senior" tory in the whole of Britain - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...dson-jpn3fj9lj
Surely her position as leader of the branch in Scotland becomes untenable?
All of her chat on reforming the tories into a party of moderates that would appeal more to the Scottish electorate has been blown out of the water with the appointment of Boris Johnson.
It's hard to see how she can continue to speak up for the tories in Scotland, or even the union for that matter.
After years of trying to make the Scottish Tories electable by giving them a distinct Scottish identity and voice, they appear to be destroying their own work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
English Tories just don't get how important this is but neither do Labour any more.
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
As much as i'm a supporter of Scottish Independence, it's a real shame to see things play out this way.
It's the same in Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Again, English politicians don't get it and they don't understand independence either. They think its all about them and take it personally!! (Not that I'm much for independence myself).
Mental. She was was one of the most popular tories only a few months ago. It shows how quickly her party have swung right behind a hard brexit and how completely irrelevant she is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Ironic, but the Scottish Tories need their own independence. :tee hee:
Tories going very hard on the view that they'll oppose #indyref2 no matter what.
This must go against basic democratic rights? How long can they really maintain such a position?