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That tends to be why managers waste resources, because they feel bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
Would generally agree. His record over there has been pretty poor. Good player but I wouldn’t say he’s worth any more than £3m or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-Zazu
If we managed to keep rocky, Porto would be a massive upgrade on O’Hora. A back 3 of Porto, rocky and iredale would be superb.
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHibernator
With Miller, Cadden x2, O'Hora, Rocky(If kept), Iredale and Obita our defensive options would be outstanding if we then add Ryan.
That's two very good players in each position at the back.
Is there anything behind Hibs’ FB story just now.
Or is my phone playing up ?
Two blank pages ??
Looks like a shed to me...or a tree? Treeantis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niffy
I can see maroon blinds 🧐🤔😅Quote:
Originally Posted by Niffy
It's the view from the one of the rooms in the new Tynecastle hotel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niffy
Is it a brick wall? Sallinger?
Won't see blood then.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Never got that statement from them... Blood doesn't show... I mean so what. Is it good to not show blood but to be covered in it ? Terry Butcher earned all kinds of status's by being covered in it.
😂 very true. No idea what that was aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Niffy
It’s shutters. Hearts were right all along, we’re skint.
You would have to ask Ryan that?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
He likes trains. Preston has a good station.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Struggling to get into the Girona team at the moment too, flash scores has the deal at 8 million although im sure I read somewhere it was around 6 million at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Also doesn't take away the fact David gray has improved almost everyone in this squad, same thing could be done with porteousQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Bloody coldest train station on earth on a winter Saturday morning, we meet there for trips up, and it's a joy when the train arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3pm
Missed it a couple of times on the way back too. :greengrin:cheers::cheers::partyhibb
Reading you post made me check something, and as it stands we have the joint best defence outside the old firm this season with 46 conceded.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
The team we are joint with is Hearts, with that figure being skewed by them being bottom 6 and conceding 2 goals to our 5 since the split in easier fixtures.
We also have the most goals scored outwith old firm.
Should never bring player back, how we got money for him is beyond me.
Can see the pros and cons for Porteous to return to Hibs so its a very good debate, the boy clearly had talent and potential but would need to work on the rashness to his game which going on comment's he still has traits of.
Could working under SDG be any different? Who would have thought predicted Rocky's rise and his performances he has put it, it's clear SDG has asked him to do different things and keep it simple with defend first mentally. Could SDG get this out of Ryan?
Would be an interesting signing if this happens.
Pretty OTT take thereQuote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
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Bring him home and he’ll win the Ballon d’Or.
We’d still be waiting on the Scottish Cup if we never brought Stokes back. That’s a lazy take.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
If it happens, that is my real hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambo
I don’t want him back. I don’t want the version that left us and I don’t think he’s improved. He clearly still has a habit of doing the utter ridiculous and costing his team going by Watford fans thoughts on him and he’s been poor for a considerable period now culminating in him being a bench warmer in a relegation battle.
I trust David Gray if he does sign him and I hope he can sort him out. It’ll be a hard ask though as I’m not convinced he wants sorted out. He appears to revel in playing the way he does, even though it can so often be so detrimental.
Or perhaps the 1991 League Cup given how pivotal he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by HendoDelivered
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Has Porteous had loads of red cards since he left? I remember him desperately flinging himself into a Germany player to stop us going 3 -0 down, but it appears I’ve missed him breaking legs and swinging punches?
‘Desperately flinging himself into a Germany player’ is being incredibly generous for what was one of the worst tackles you’re likely to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
It was a bad tackle, but it was treated like he was trying to end Gundogans career. He jumped into a tackle when the ball was pinging about the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
:greengrin that is one of the worst overstatements that you're ever likely to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray_
If it’s such an overstatement I presume you’ll be able to provide a string of examples of significantly worse tackles?
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Originally Posted by 500miles
No reds at club level since he left Hibs.
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Originally Posted by 500miles
Hahahahaha. Come on nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
The three games, post-split, have been littered with giving away soft goals, two of which resulted in defeats.
Rocky's poor defensive header against Aberdeen and the failure to follow Nisbet out cost us against Aberdeen.
Myko against Dundee Utd.
Rocky & O'Hora were poor at Celtic's first two goals, especially the first, where we were bullied by Idah. The third was a fumble by Smith and O'Hora moving aimlessly, leaving the right side exposed. SDG said himself we need to look at the defending. Porty would give us strength, he is at an age where he can improve and at this time, he would certainly strengthen the right side of the three and there is the added advantage of his ability to pick a pass, especially with us geared up for fast breaks and factor in, the home-grown rule.
A no-brainer for me.
I’m not having the Aberdeen goal as soft, it got thrown into the goal of the season competition by Sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray_
As above - you’ll be able to provide a good few worse tackles as examples i would presume?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibees
Aye probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
And yet it’s no coincidence you won’t give any.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibees
Two footed, studs up, high and with so much force that you could see Gundogans leg bend. When it comes to terrible tackles there’s pretty much not a box that he’s not managed to tick.
The guy is an idiot that deliberately goes out to hurt people. If he hadn’t played for us before nobody would be pretending otherwise.
It was great by Nisbet, his intelligence in taking up that position, and the execution was sublime.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
From a defensive perspective, it was very poor. The header was weak and into a vulnerable area, and we never picked up Nisbet's movement, which, again, defensively was poor.
Since you asked, just in Scotland:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Ian Black on David Templeton (Hearts v Rangers, 2009)
Neil Lennon on Jim McIntyre (Celtic v Dundee Utd, 2005)
Graeme Shinnie on Callum McGregor (Aberdeen v Celtc, 2023)
Steven Naismith on Scott Brown (Hearts v Celtc, 2018)
That enough or do you want more?
Keane on Haaland. Souness on Billy Stark and Souness on George Mcluskey. There are dozens if not hundreds of examples of tackles as bad or worse than the one Porteous did at the Euros. You have a dislike of him which is fair enough but don’t pretend that his tackle was the worst in football historyQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
It was a poor tackle but alot of comments at the time seemed to be "he knew what he was doing". He spun around in the box at 2-0 down in the euro opener and lunged at the ball, missed and paid the price. To suggest in that split second he wanted to snap Gundogan is ridiculous. The ref didn't even call it at the time and there was no appeals from Germany.
I'd take him back without a doubt. He started alot of our attacks with his decent passing too.
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Originally Posted by BoomtownHibees
The Naismith stamp was nowhere near as bad. Cowardly, absolutely, but nothing like the Porteous one which was a leg breaker.
No idea what Shinnie one you’re talking about but given he didn’t get any red card against Celtic in 2023, I’m willing to call bull**** on that.
Following on from that, shouts of tackles from 2009, 2005 and Graham Souness tell you all you need to know if people have to go that far back for examples.
There was also Balde's tackle on Brown while he was at Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibees
Did Ryan Porteous hurt you in any way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Ah right, so it’s like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
You don’t agree that the Naismith one was as bad so you’re right
You can’t remember the Shinnie one so, again, you’re right
You asked for examples and you’ve been given some but because they’re passed your made up deadline, you’re still right
Got ye
You don’t need to reply by the way, you asked for examples, you’ve been given multiple, you hate Porteous, crack on
Someone broke Steven Fletcher's leg, sure it was a Celtic player?
Killie player on Alex Harris that seemed to stunt his career.
Every goal can be seen as very poor from a defensive error if you look hard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray_
I once allowed a boy to score from about 40 yards out on the volley because I thought no chance he'd score and thought he'd turn the ball over and decided to cover the passes instead and let him hit it. Sailed top bin on this occasion and you could look at me standing off him as a defensive error. But I'd do it again as in the moment it was sound logic and you sometimes have to hold your hand up and say the boys scored a beauty.
The Naismith one was nothing like the Porteous one and you’re kidding yourself on if you think it was. And yes, I’m absolutely right about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibees
If you have to go back 20 years (or in another posters case, 40) then it’s absolutely fair to say it’s one of the worst tackles you’re likely to see. You’ll not see many that tick every box for being a shocker.
If he hadn’t played for Hibs we wouldn’t be having such a ridiculous conversation. The guy gets a ludicrous amount of leeway on here every time he acts like a ****ing idiot. We even had people making excuses for him when he launched a glass at a women’s head ffs.
The Millwall keeper on Mateta in the FA cup this season. Skull breaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Also one of the worst challenges you’re likely to see :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
I did say ‘one of’ and not ‘the worst’ as others would have you believe.
This is all a bit ridiculous, but Mbappe's the other week was a worse tackle than Porteous.
If you look through some crazed YouTube compilation or X thread covering examples of shocking football tackles, there won't be many, or any, plucking Ryan Porteous v Germany out from the archives.
That’s no even the worst tackle Porteous has made, never mind one of the worst ever 🤣
I’d be interested to hear what ones of his you think are worse. I know what ones they’ll be but I’ve seen people on here claim the other ones weren’t even fouls :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Wait, so you’re now asking for examples where the tackle needs to be the same as the Porteous one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Here’s a couple of more recent ones:
The keeper on Mateta
Tarkowski on MacAllister
Holgate on Mitoma
All worse than the Porteous one
This is becoming really weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
But not surprisingQuote:
Originally Posted by flash
Least we've found Nick Walsh's .net account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Strangest one from Porto for me was League Cup QF Rugby Park dying minutes of extra time 0-0 penalties beckoning winger breaks down our right Porto comes across and just takes him out straight Red despite there being cover and a good distance from goal
3.43 in this clip obviously didn’t fancy taking a penalty ��
https://youtu.be/0V7kVzxSTGo?si=gJgwawDY63w3DBjP
I don't agree with that take at all. Rocky headed the ball a full 12 yards, Nisbet back tracked about 4 yards to trap it on his chest outside the 18 yard box and hit it first time, a split second before anyone could get to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray_
It was a brilliant piece of skill, not a defensive error.
Must be more to life.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Hopefully Porto comes back and puts in great performances and the same people who had to backtrack after insisting David Gray was out of his depth and couldn’t wait to tell everyone they thought that end up doing the same with RP.
Worst tackle he made was on McGregor against Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Mind the pile one when he got sent off for the tackle against Aribo and the most dangerous tackle in the game was Lundstram on Doig, don’t think the foul was even given.
Tbf I don’t think you can criticise those that were critical of SDG, it was a truly horrendous run of form that most other managers wouldn’t have survived.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Anyone that said he would be brilliant would have either said it out of hope or said that he’d be good but it’s the recruitment that’s the issue. Turns out it was a brilliant win down from a recruitment point of view.
Thankfully SDG and players turned it round.
As for Porteous, he’d walk into our starting 11
Was Ian Murrays challenge on Fyvie a bad challenge? A legal challenge, but unnecessary force? Just remember it being on the west stand touchline and the Aberdeen fans going mental. Or was it only an incident because Fyvie was only 16 or so at the time and not actually all that remarkable a challenge?
As for bad tackles, what about that Hearts youngster (Cochrane?) trying to injure McGinn?
In which coaching manual does the defender told to head the ball just outside your box in the middle of the goal? Hint, they get told not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I(t was a brilliant piece of skill, but wouldn't have been possible if he had been picked up in the first place. Their most dangerous attacker, left free at the edge of the box, kinda says it all.
I don't think anyone is under any illusions about Porteous' potential to make a few questionable challenges.
The one in the Germany game was a stinker, I'd be surprised if anyone would disagree with that.
What we would get with Porteous is a good footballer, someone we know from experience can carry the ball out of defence and is comfortable with the ball at his feet, good in the air, scores a few goals and is a good defender.
My thinking on him is that he should be a direct replacement for Rocky who looks like he will be leaving - I'd love him to stay.
I would like to see Miller in at RCB, Porteous in the middle and Iredale in at LCB.
It doesn't offer any opportunity for Marv and O'Hora, but that's football.
Think it was McFadden on sportscene said the problem was the speed of the tackle. Wasn't aware tackles had a speed limit! Agreed the Lundstram challenge was worse, not even a free kick but that's Ibrox for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
I haven't sent that tackle in years, but recall being adamant at the time there was nothing wrong with it. The drama came from Fyvie's age/injury, plus didn't Aberdeen end up with nine men?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Utter nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
He threw himself into a last ditch block to try and save a certain goal.
Gundogan was better placed/faster it happens
Some of the stuff Ryan has done over the years deserves criticism, on that occasion folk were looking for a scapegoat for what was already looking like a hammering and Ryan conveniently popped up
Aye, he should have slowed down the tackle and therefor missed the ball and went right through the player. Must be all the brains in his head that keeps McFadden’s hair transplants from taking!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudster
The media willingness to pile on to a young player at that time was hysterical - and it had in impact on him that season.
Shaun Hutchinson's tackle on Alex Harris was brutal and effectively ended his career.
Not how anyone would rank Porteous challenge at the Euros as one of the worst ever 🤣 Thats just being hyperbolic for the sake of it.
I'm hoping their is plenty truth in the Porteous to Hibs chat , Would love him back at Easter rd thriving under Dave Gray , Make it happen Hibs
Yes, he threw himself in.. two footed, studs up, completely out of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSEJVT
Just because it was to try and save a certain goal it doesn’t mean you can run about doing whatever you want.
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Originally Posted by Spudster
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Originally Posted by 500miles
To be fair speed of the tackle is something that is 100% considered.
Which is fine if he goes through the player, but he cuts across the front of Aribo. The speed was necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
He didn’t cut across the front of him. He also went over the top of the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
Anyway
Any rumours?
Is it a goer with RP then Jeffers?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Yet the footage from the other side showed he didn't even make contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
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Porto over Rocky every day, Rocky has done well for 6 months but still cost us goals. RP has played at a higher league level and is an international defenderQuote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Out of interest, what do you think he was trying to accomplish with that tackle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
If I remember correctly, by the time Aribo arrived, he made contact with the side of Porteous's thigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Yes. There was a twitter post with footage from the opposite stand. Slight contact which saw Aribo collapse in a heap clutching his ankle.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
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Put the space doon and step away from the hole. :hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
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As with a good few of Porteous’ moments of madness, I’ve absolutely no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edinburgh Green
Another thread turned into dross due to certain posters and their dog with a bone agenda.
Multiple sources are reporting that Burnley’s out-of-contract defender CJ Egan-Riley has agreed to join French side Strasbourg.
Yip Porto has made mistakes at a higher level and loads when he was here that is the concern ?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Hopefully SDG will knock him into shape
Rocky is also an international defender but will not be here so is of no interest
From the Aberdeen forum regarding transfer rumours
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That's been mentioned a few times on the Clyde big Scottish football podcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
I remember that tackle early in the game on the touchline in front of the West Stand. Horrible tackle which I don't think he even got booked for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
The Sounnes tackle on George McLuskey was also a bad one.
Lol, not a chance he's staying in Scotland if he leaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Good on the lad. What a career he seems to be having since he's been here, delighted for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
No danger we can allow Rocky to leave, let alone to Aberdeen
It’s out of our hands what he does, but our offer should be more than competitive with whatever Aberdeen can offer
If he leaves it will be elsewhere in Europe Imo
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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16
In the hunt for Champions league football next year. Probably one of the quickest rises from us to champions league can't think of anyone else.
If think there's a pretty good chance he leaves but it won't be in Scotland. I could actually see him going to Zamalek. Were reported to be interested this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
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Originally Posted by Crab apple
It would have been a bad one had it actually been a tackle. Beastie had his back to Souness and the curly-permed tw@t simply walked up and booted him in the back of the knee. Not even close to being a 'tackle'.
Burnley will no doubt be kicking themselves seeing as he has been a massive part of their title winning side and included in the championship TOTS.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGL2000
Hope he goes on to do very well.