Shaun Maloney - Style of play

Campbell & Doyle-Hayes in central midfield today.

After 6 weeks at the club does Maloney really feel these two are worthy of a first team place. If so, we are in real bother.

This pair sum up our development and recruitment processes. Even worse, both were awarded with long term deals and could be on the books getting a wage for years.

Takes my breath away leaves me raging.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

All in your opinion, others see it differently, Hanlon costs us goal nowadays with his slow movement, McGinn is not good enough for Hibs, you should see these things Pep.

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Yep, wee shot at me there. Standard. Obviously it's my ****ing opinion, I'm posting it.

Hanlon an excellent player. Seen today how good he is.

McGinn is, based on our current options, certainty good enough to be at Hibs, at least as a squad player. Excellent last season too. That's a fact.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

JDH - a nothing player IMO
Campbell - lower league level
Drey Wright - anyone who Tommy Wright thinks is the best he's seen is a worry
James Scott - you are simply trolling if you think he is a good player
Jamie Murphy - my iceberg lettuce is more resilient than that lad's hamstrings
Gogic - there's a reason he was at relegated Hamilton
Nathan Wood - panic signing
Stephen and Paul McGinn - never, ever good enough for Hibs

And we still rely on Lewis, Hanlon and McGregor.............

How much salary is that ? The recruitment team at Hibs are awful - plain and simple.

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Nothing I have said contradicts any of that although I do think an on form, consistent JDH would be decent

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Thats not how a back 5 or 3 works. They are not more defensive or offensive than anything else. All about execution.

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FFS, what was Ron thinking bringing in Maloney when he could have just got your services and you could have us flying, admit it you don’t rate Maloney and you aren’t willing to back him from the word go.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

He did hit the ground running, but folk like you were never going to give him a chance, he won’t be going anywhere so get behind him and stop your moaning Pep.

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I'm fully behind him, as I am every manager at Hibs. Me being behind him doesn't mean we didn't just beat Livi today.

Folk like me :faf: I very rarely slag the team on here. Like, very rarely. Don't embarrass yourself further by continuing this patter.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

Nope. But he's done nothing to show he's good enough to be the manager of our football club let alone better the achievements of our last manager. Anything apart from how he views the game?

Sunderland are a bigger club than Hibernian. Replay Robbie left them in third to go to MK Dons for instance. Maloney won't manage a bigger club than us based on everything so far. I'm only speculating, the same as you have saying he will be more successful than Maloney based on absolutely nothing but a CV as a coach - see Cathro.

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Exactly this. It's nothing against Maloney.

For me, the Hibs job is one of the top 4 or 5 jobs in the country and it should be treated as such.

SM is the exact opposite of what I was expecting / hoping for. I assumed that as we were getting rid of JR it was because we had someone outstanding lined up as his replacement.

SMs appointment wasn't bad on the face of it, just utterly weird, and I totally get the Cathro comparison's.

I'd imagine RG will be just s quick to act if things don't improve though. Fourth in the league will be the min expected to give us a shot at Europe.

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Originally Posted by Scooter

What's interesting is I actually like the look of the players he's brought in. Rocky if he keeps playing the way he is I'd be shocked if he's playing for us next year. We need to give him a chance

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For me Maloney still has to prove in the transfer market. Rocky was our best defender today although had a role in the loss of the second goal. I've not been impressed with Henderson. Mitchell was good first half but understandably tired in the second.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Going by what I've seen of us since Maloney arrived, we have no chance on Tuesday.

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Players will be up for the derby, these games take care of themselves, the fans (fingers crossed) will be right behind the team and hopefully they get the result we need. :flag:

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

FFS, what was Ron thinking bringing in Maloney when he could have just got your services and you could have us flying, admit it you don’t rate Maloney and you aren’t willing to back him from the word go.

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Admit it, you've had a few and you're posting utter garbage. I back all Hibs managers from the day they join. I desperately want us to win every game. Get yourself to bed.

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Originally Posted by 500miles

Yet they both played every week in a 3rd placed team with an excellent defensive record last year, with Scotland caps off the back of them - in the best Scotland team in a quarter century.

It's as if everyone with coaching badges- not from a box of cornflakes - disagrees with you.

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Let's not get all misty eyed about Scotland caps - they were brought in due to injuries, and if you honestly think Paul McGinn is an international player and 'mainstay' you're head is full of cornflakes - it's not about coaching badges, it's what we see week in week out, and for a team to consistently be striving for 3rd at least, neither are the answer going forward (now) - the whole squad needs addressed, no one is doubting what Paul Hanlon in particular has offered over the years (great player and servant). I think the point is that the team, and certain players, have had their moment and it's time for a 'new Hibs'. And Paul McGinn has been utter mince this season, anyone thinking otherwise is deluded. Seriously deluded.

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Originally Posted by #2 Double Tap

look at all the top bosses in the world, every one of them has an air of confidence about them and they all look like they would be "nutters" in the changing room.

stein, fergie, robson, mourinho, klopp, pep, ancellotti, conte, simeone, zidane, van gaal,

would you mess with any of those names.

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Have you seen how Maloney behaves in the dressing room ?. Do you think he is a pushover, he is just in the job and won’t slate players he knows he has to rely on with there extended contracts until end of season.

You could always ask Pep on here his views.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

So JDH gets time but Maloney doesn’t. :aok:

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Nowhere have I said that Maloney shouldn’t get time. He is 6 games into his tenure, Far too early to be thinking of anything other than supporting him. As for JDH I’m not convinced he has fully recovered from COVID.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Livingston at home? There's bad and there's bad.

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And Jack Ross never had horror shows at home against some pish in this league, Maloney is having to work with some players who got Ross the sack, once again we need to give him time.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Exactly this. It's nothing against Maloney.

For me, the Hibs job is one of the top 4 or 5 jobs in the country and it should be treated as such.

SM is the exact opposite of what I was expecting / hoping for. I assumed that as we were getting rid of JR it was because we had someone outstanding lined up as his replacement.

SMs appointment wasn't bad on the face of it, just utterly weird, and I totally get the Cathro comparison's.

I'd imagine RG will be just s quick to act if things don't improve though. Fourth in the league will be the min expected to give us a shot at Europe.

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Will Ron and Ben admit they are wrong if it's bottom 6 or 6th/5th? I'm not too sure. Jack Ross wasn't their signing. Maloney is.

Saying that I desperately hope this Maloney "experiment" works out because it's going to either be wonderful or a disaster.

I would love a rookie Mowbray where right from the Leeds game we knew what was trying to be done. Right now from team selection to formation and subs it just looks like complete guesswork.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

I genuinely wonder what he said to make the Hibernian board think he was the best person for the job.

At least Cathro had Potter bigging him up.

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And yet you were touting Kennedy for the Hibs job, the guy who helped celtc f*** it up. :aok:

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

And Jack Ross never had horror shows at home against some pish in this league, Maloney is having to work with some players who got Ross the sack, once again we need to give him time.

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We should have given Ross more time and better recruitment to turn things around. At least he had proven as a successful manager. Precedent is founded by sacking him, why back someone who's done little or nothing to show they are an improvement based on blind faith? This team was good enough for third last season and if Maloney can't motivate the same squad apart from Boyle - and it's not as if Boyle missing was to blame for the shambles of an hour against Cove then why is he the right man for the job and whats it based on?

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

Both forwards played well today, Nisbet especially.

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But still missing easy chances just like against celtc.

We probably need a new striker, we need him to score goals.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

But still missing easy chances just like against celtc.

We probably need a new striker, we need him to score goals.

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What easy chances did he miss?

He had a couple of efforts but none I thought were great chances or bad misses

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He's not got the style quite right yet. It's fine trying to recycle the ball but even losing into added time we didn't have a way to get on the turn and play forward and we're so sluggish laying passes to get us out our own half.

It's pretty clear if you press us hard you'll force us into mistakes the way the players are trying to play football at the moment inching us forward with on the deck passes to the nearest player - livi done that to us all second half.

We need to sort that balance out ASAP.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

What do you base your opinion he will be more successful than Ross? Finish higher than third? Win a cup? Based on absolutely what considering we lost in the league today and won in extra time against a team that drew with Dumbarton today in the Scottish Cup.

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Ross got time, why’s Maloney not getting it, and Ross got sacked because we were pish but got plenty time, it would seem from some that Maloney only deserves a few games and minds are made up about him.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

We should have given Ross more time and better recruitment to turn things around. At least he had proven as a successful manager. Precedent is founded by sacking him, why back someone who's done little or nothing to show they are an improvement based on blind faith? This team was good enough for third last season and if Maloney can't motivate the same squad apart from Boyle - and it's not as if Boyle missing was to blame for the shambles of an hour against Cove then why is he the right man for the job and whats it based on?

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we should have given ross more time but slate maloney even though its ross team, and jack ross was a successful manager, **** are you on

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Originally Posted by JamesHFC

I think Maloney will go onto achieve more in his career than Ross because I value his ideas. We should have won the double last season imo and should have beaten a Championship Hearts who hardly played for 6 months. Then to win 2 of 12 league games isn’t acceptable.

Ask Sunderland fans what they think of him after failing to get them promoted and bottling another cup final. Nothing against Jack but he’s a bottle merchant.

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Your not allowed to say that about Pep Ross :greengrin

In the first two games under maloney we looked better as we put pressure on the ball high up the pitch. This caused the opponents to lose the ball frequently. We seem to have given up on this tactic and reverted to the way Ross set up

Midfield has killed us all season. Not enough quality, not enough drive, no presence. Must be an absolute dream to play against.

If we don’t sign a midfielder by Monday, forget the rest of the season.

Is there any manager who could bring together all the posters on here?
Stubbsy and Lennon even got trashed on here alot if i remember.

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

We got the new manager bounce when Maloney came in and we played well against Aberdeen and Dundee United.

We then had the winter break, which was a chance for Maloney to work with the players to improve their understanding of his preferred system, and to understand how he needs to tweak it to suit the players available to him.

We've been worse since the winter break. Pedestrian against Cove, Motherwell and Livingston with no cutting edge. I'm discounting Celtc because of their budget advantage.

I want Maloney to do well but the early evidence is going to make it hard for him to keep fans onside.

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And yet if Nisbet had taken that absolute f***ing sitter against celtc things might have been different for us, but he is missing to many chances, his game has improved over last few games but he is a international striker and is missing to many chances for us which are costing us big time.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Is there any manager who could bring together all the posters on here?
Stubbsy and Lennon even got trashed on here alot if i remember.

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Fair point. Answer is no. Unless we suddenly start winning and playing decent football while doing so.

I just don't think the players he currently has at his disposal are capable of playing in the system he wants to play.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Midfield has killed us all season. Not enough quality, not enough drive, no presence. Must be an absolute dream to play against.

If we don’t sign a midfielder by Monday, forget the rest of the season.

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Without doubt, and has meant we have not more silverware as well as better performances - crucial area of the pitch which needs surgery. I think MW Hibbies thought I was being critical of his post but I'm in agreement with him (and you) that until this area is addressed urgently, we'll continue to drift. We do need to get rid of a few defenders who are now past their sell by date though.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Is there any manager who could bring together all the posters on here?
Stubbsy and Lennon even got trashed on here alot if i remember.

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Butcher managed it when he got us relegated. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

So literally based on nothing you've seen on the football field then? His values and because he coached Belgium?

Jack Ross had us finish higher than any Hibernian manager since Mowbray. That is fact. :aok:

Shaun Maloney will never be near a managers job at the likes of Sunderland. Amazing values or not. He certainly won't get us to 2 finals in a season and finish third either.

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Step up and apply for the job when he goes, see what you can do for this squad. :aok:

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

I just don't think the players he currently has at his disposal are capable of playing in the system he wants to play.

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Totally. Hence the much stated transitional period. Our midfield is nowhere near the mark.

He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Theres still some ridiculous overreactions. Getting rid after 6 games? :faf:

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Nae need, Juergen and Pep from .net know there stuff.

The folk stabbing him in the back tonight are the ones who didn’t rate him when he became our manager, they are sticking to there guns, fairy enough, I’m still backing Maloney to come good as you can see. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by JamesHFC

He’s a highly respected coach otherwise he wouldn’t have been anywhere near Belgium. He also went through an interview process at the club where they deemed him good enough to be in charge. Give the bloke a chance, it comes across that you want him to do a terrible job so you can say you were right. Weird behaviour.

FWIW Maloney wouldn’t have been my first choice for the job but I’ll back him until I feel that he isn’t the right man for the job. At the moment putting everything into perspective with the sale of our best player, a few injuries and how he is trying to implement a style of play we aren’t used to I’m happy to give him time. A long way to go this season, top four and a trophy still within reach.

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Down with this sensible talk. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Jones28

He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

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ur dead right but surely he sees that in training

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Being a great coach , doesn’t make him a decent manager though. We know they are quite different roles .

No one can be seeing anything that is suggesting he is going to get this right . Not saying , we shouldn’t support him . Of course we should. But there is no signs that he will make us better. I can understand why a number are worried . I’m troubled too

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But you are still supporting him, others have the samurai swords out tonight and cutting him to pieces already.

The passing from the back, the huge possession in our own half, the limited chances, the terrible defending and the utter terrible watch is not going to do him any favours. I can’t see him getting out of this anytime soon. The team look like a deer in headlights as does the manager, it’s an embarrassing watch considering Ross didn’t get the chance of his transfer window, injuries coming back and cup final. This is as bad as I’ve seen since Fenton/Butcher, we’ve no midfield at all.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

No, I want him to do brilliant so I can say I was talking rubbish. I'm not going to blindly back him based on absolutely zero though. He's no improvement from before and that's based on performances on the pitch. He's got a chance. There's giving him a chance and there's saying he will do better than the last manager who we finished third under though.

What about the perspective when we had a squad out for Covid, loads of injuries and a fixture pile up. We perhaps shouldn't have hounded out the manager who got us to finals and finished third with a sense of perspective but no - we thought we could do better with the players we have - now that's not the case and time, money and new players are needed - that was after backing Jack and Mathie was the devil after the summer. People just make it up as they go along.

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No, you are slating him and don’t want him at the club, it’s that simple, but you were willing to back Jack the bottle merchant. :aok:

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

But you are still supporting him, others have the samurai swords out tonight and cutting him to pieces already.

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whoever is in the managers seat will get my support …

if anyone wants him out already , then they have a different agenda .

He needs to get his finger out and get some wins - nothing to do with folk on here - we need some points

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Originally Posted by Skol

In the first two games under maloney we looked better as we put pressure on the ball high up the pitch. This caused the opponents to lose the ball frequently. We seem to have given up on this tactic and reverted to the way Ross set up

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Agree 100% - we’ve just gone back to passively giving the opposition time on the ball. The shape of the team was very clear in those 2 games also IMO. Again, that’s been all over the place since the Celtic game.

It is a worry that we look much worse after the winter break. I get rotation against Cove but why for example did we leave Newell on the bench for the full game today? Crazy stuff, when we’re throwing on the likes of Murphy and Scott

1) doesn’t know his best team
2) too many changes from game to game
3) we have got noticeable worse since the break where we should have got better given he’s had lots of time to work on things
4) failed to address the CM blatant imbalance and had all window to do so
5) not sure he has the fear factor for me all managers should have
6) if the philosophy was the right way why do not many teams play like this, ok on the continent when the games are slower and more technical why have better managers than him not played this way and been successful before
7) strange substitutions
8) you can be a good coach and great guy but that doesn’t mean it will translate to being a manager or even a good one
9) lack of plan B
10) not done himself any favours with the fans with some media and after match interviews

Just a bit of a brain dumb of some of the negatives I can see just now.

Regardless of any of the above the guy needs time and backing. Fans need to be patient as hard as that is, he’s learning on the job aswell we have to understand that and knew what we were in for when he was hired.

I really hope he does well as I like him, but more and more I see this season being a transition and likely more pain to come. Just hope it’s worth it for long term benefit, suspect large number of supporters won’t accept that but is what it is.

I don't think that the tactics were wrong or the style of play was bad, we executed what he wanted reasonably well and played quite well too.

However, Macey gave them a goal, they didn't even have a shot on target in the first half. Campbell has had a howler too, passing the ball directly to an opposition then not tracking back quick enough. Porteous was marking the guy for the corner and it should have been a bread and butter header out.

We are back to making basic mistakes that are costing us games, Nisbet is missing chances but we shouldn't even be in a position where that matters.

I will get pelters for this but Porto is the weak link in the defence, he is erratic and doesn't always do the basics well enough. We had been looking solid at the back apart from the Celtic game, but then we get a game like today and I dunno what to even say if you are the manager.

Murphy and Scott should not feature for hibs ever again.

I think Shaun needs to sign a quality experienced midfielder that can help to drive the team forward. With two days until the window shuts I've no idea who that might be though. If we stick with the current squad then the board are effectively writing off the rest of the season.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

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Yep it's so obvious. Newell is obviously more capable of building from the back than Campbell and JDH but it didn't work when he was playing at Motherwell either and we were stuck in our own half retaining meaningless possession for long spells.

It seemed to be working with Boyle in the team though. We are missing him hugely.

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Originally Posted by Crab apple

I think Shaun needs to sign a quality experienced midfielder that can help to drive the team forward. With two days until the window shuts I've no idea who that might be though. If we stick with the current squad then the board are effectively writing off the rest of the season.

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Originally Posted by SlickShoes

I don't think that the tactics were wrong or the style of play was bad, we executed what he wanted reasonably well and played quite well too.

However, Macey gave them a goal, they didn't even have a shot on target in the first half. Campbell has had a howler too, passing the ball directly to an opposition then not tracking back quick enough. Porteous was marking the guy for the corner and it should have been a bread and butter header out.

We are back to making basic mistakes that are costing us games, Nisbet is missing chances but we shouldn't even be in a position where that matters.

I will get pelters for this but Porto is the weak link in the defence, he is erratic and doesn't always do the basics well enough. We had been looking solid at the back apart from the Celtic game, but then we get a game like today and I dunno what to even say if you are the manager.

Murphy and Scott should not feature for hibs ever again.

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Nisbet was good today for the most part but the issue isn’t him just now it’s where and how he’s being asked to play. He’s far too deep and won’t get enough goals playing like we are. See how dangerous he is when he had a go himself near the end with a few decent chances basically created for himself.

I am moaning about him not being on the end of crosses and anticipating things better but equally it’s difficult to drop deep ball goes out wide and hes expected to get on the end of crossed. It’s the set up that’s wrong IMO

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Originally Posted by Skol

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He was head and shoulders above our midfield today and in the game at Livi.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

A jack ross team wouldn’t let in 3 against Livi. I said at the time be careful what you wish for. Buckle in. Get behind him. Live the pain.

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Oh for f*** sake, another expert who thinks he knows it all, Jack Ross had some horror shows at ER in his time as well, but you know that don’t you Underscore.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Let's not get all misty eyed about Scotland caps - they were brought in due to injuries, and if you honestly think Paul McGinn is an international player and 'mainstay' you're head is full of cornflakes - it's not about coaching badges, it's what we see week in week out, and for a team to consistently be striving for 3rd at least, neither are the answer going forward (now) - the whole squad needs addressed, no one is doubting what Paul Hanlon in particular has offered over the years (great player and servant). I think the point is that the team, and certain players, have had their moment and it's time for a 'new Hibs'. And Paul McGinn has been utter mince this season, anyone thinking otherwise is deluded. Seriously deluded.

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I can see this too.. this new Hibs identity needs key players - it needs fans to be able to say right this is what we are trying to do. These are our key players and they will make us play well. John McGinn / Boyle etc these type of guys who got fans on their feet and brought the crowd together. Add in the quality they brought and they dragged us though games to do well more often than not.

Rotating players and random subs is something I would expect in pre-season. This isn’t an experiment. Maybe rotate Rocky if he’s tired after Motherwell but he comes on after 22 mins then surely he’s fine to start ?

We don’t have the right players for this system - we don’t have good enough players centrally for most systems (or wanting to finish 3rd) - we need to stop letting teams score goals against us.

The spine of the team needs sorted and this is a Jack Ross / Mathie moment (not signing a striker to compete with Nisbet and Doidge -that was even before he was injured - let alone after!!) if he doesn’t sign a decent CM by end of the transfer window the 2nd part of the season will see same frustrating results.

I'm guessing Newell got a knock after Wednesday? We really miss him when not in the side - easily our strongest midfielder when receiving the ball under pressure.

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Originally Posted by Nicho87

We have none, I repeat no character in the team.

We lack a McGinn, Cummings, Riordan, Boyle now.

Someone who was a bit different.

I think porteous has tried to do that but I’d rather he just concentrated on being a centre half.

Like our play it’s all just a bit bland and boring currently

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We let the one bit of character we had f*** off to the Middle East to be in a relegation battle with his new team.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

So JDH gets time but Maloney doesn’t. :aok:

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I wish folk would see that the majority of these players are not good enough, they let down Ross and they'll let down Maloney, it needs more than one window to sort out this team.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

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I think the majority of these players can play a good quick passing game.

What’s not so clear, is what exactly Maloney does want to do? I thought I understood the approach in the first few games. The last 2-3 games with the ponderous passing in our third…. It just seems confused and a bit bizarre. We don’t seem to have a clear idea how to move up the park collectively at any pace.

There is definitely a disconnect somewhere and he needs to fix it now.

In recent seasons we have lacked a player in midfield who can run the game. Until that’s sorted we’ll have games like today.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

I think the majority of these players can play a good quick passing game.

What’s not so clear, is what exactly Maloney does want to do? I thought I understood the approach in the first few games. The last 2-3 games with the ponderous passing in our third…. It just seems confused and a bit bizarre. We don’t seem to have a clear idea how to move up the park collectively at any pace.

There is definitely a disconnect somewhere and he needs to fix it now.

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This is where I am at. I saw a lot of good pressing in the first few games aswell, but it was absent midweek and sounds the same today too.

It's why I think it is harsh to specifically blame the players as a collective because it must be tricky to try an adapt to whatever it is they are being told to do. My worry is that this is too much too soon.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Oh for f*** sake, another expert who thinks he knows it all, Jack Ross had some horror shows at ER in his time as well, but you know that don’t you Underscore.

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🤣🤣👏🏻 its been bothering me for ages who he reminded me of!

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

I think the majority of these players can play a good quick passing game.

What’s not so clear, is what exactly Maloney does want to do? I thought I understood the approach in the first few games. The last 2-3 games with the ponderous passing in our third…. It just seems confused and a bit bizarre. We don’t seem to have a clear idea how to move up the park collectively at any pace.

There is definitely a disconnect somewhere and he needs to fix it now.

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You would think a journalist may ask what the actual plan and style is ? Rather than the usual cliche questions and answers.

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Originally Posted by Crab apple

I think Shaun needs to sign a quality experienced midfielder that can help to drive the team forward. With two days until the window shuts I've no idea who that might be though. If we stick with the current squad then the board are effectively writing off the rest of the season.

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Not a total disaster for the owners, whatever they paid for our club, our best player Martin Boyle, was there when they arrived and theyve recouped £3m whilst getting us to where we are today.

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I'm going to criticise the time we have chosen to appoint Maloney. 20th December. 5 days before Christmas and then we have been VERY lucky the winter break was moved forward, if the break hadn't been moved we could be 3-4 more games down the road, at least the break gave the squad time together on the training pitch, but you know what, it doesn't show one bit.

I've gone from scared to terrified in the last 7 hours.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

I'm going to criticise the time we have chosen to appoint Maloney. 20th December. 5 days before Christmas and then we have been VERY lucky the winter Break was moved forward, if the break hadn't been moved we could be 3-4 more games down the road, at least the break gave the squad time together on the training pitch, but you know what, it doesn't show one bit.

I've gone from scared to terrified in the last 7 hours.

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Feel exactly the same. We've regressed after the time Maloney has spent with them on the training ground.

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

I can see this too.. this new Hibs identity needs key players - it needs fans to be able to say right this is what we are trying to do. These are our key players and they will make us play well. John McGinn / Boyle etc these type of guys who got fans on their feet and brought the crowd together. Add in the quality they brought and they dragged us though games to do well more often than not.

Rotating players and random subs is something I would expect in pre-season. This isn’t an experiment. Maybe rotate Rocky if he’s tired after Motherwell but he comes on after 22 mins then surely he’s fine to start ?

We don’t have the right players for this system - we don’t have good enough players centrally for most systems (or wanting to finish 3rd) - we need to stop letting teams score goals against us.

The spine of the team needs sorted and this is a Jack Ross / Mathie moment (not signing a striker to compete with Nisbet and Doidge -that was even before he was injured - let alone after!!) if he doesn’t sign a decent CM by end of the transfer window the 2nd part of the season will see same frustrating results.

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Nailed it with this post - the teams needs 3 or 4 players who at each point in a game can ignite things, bring energy and a spark - whether that's a driving run, a series of tackles, or someone who commands and dictates - at present they all look at each other for inspiration yet none do it and 'pass the buck'. Totally agree with your post.

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell when he wasn't backed in the summer then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell when he wasn't backed in the summer then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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I certainly don’t think Maloney should be escaping any criticism. Far from it. I also don’t think folk should be declaring they are 100% Maloney out after he’s been in charge for six games either.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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30 Dec 2020 Hibs 0 Ross C 2
2nd Jan 2021 Hibs 0 Livi 3
27th Feb 2021 Hibs 0 Motherwell 2
16th Oct 2021 Hibs 0 Dundee U 3

All horrendous terrible defeats at home by your beloved Jack Ross.

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Originally Posted by Mutu

I'm guessing Newell got a knock after Wednesday? We really miss him when not in the side - easily our strongest midfielder when receiving the ball under pressure.

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Maybe he's being sold?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I certainly don’t think Maloney should be escaping any criticism. Far from it. I also don’t think folk should be declaring they are 100% Maloney out after he’s been in charge for six games either.

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I think alot of the criticism stems from whether you were a disappointed Jack Ross fan.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Too much sentiment at the club and not enough zeal to succeed SH - fans fall into that 'romance' - but top sport and success is lethal and has to be cut-throat.

I was questioned by a poster about a player's injury - I know for a fact (and you will better than me) that the likes of Derek and Garry played whilst carrying knocks and niggles - they were true competitors - I'm not convinced we've rid ourselves of players who just don't fancy it. I think we have 4 or 5 in the squad who play on injuries.

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They were always ready to go next match if they picked up niggles, I know for sure about one that he would be sent home with stuff that would help with getting him through the next game, can’t even remember him being out for any length of time with injury, the two of them never wanted to be out the team, they were trying to hard to win the bets at the end of the season. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I certainly don’t think Maloney should be escaping any criticism. Far from it. I also don’t think folk should be declaring they are 100% Maloney out after he’s been in charge for six games either.

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In fairness I haven’t seen many of any wanting him sacked this early I’ve seen plenty frustrated and a bit despondent based on what they have seen so far which for me is understandable.

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Originally Posted by J-C

30 Dec 2020 Hibs 0 Ross C 2
2nd Jan 2021 Hibs 0 Livi 3
27th Feb 2021 Hibs 0 Motherwell 2
16th Oct 2021 Hibs 0 Dundee U 3

All horrendous terrible defeats at home by your beloved Jack Ross.

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Was that not in between the best away run in our history?

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

I'm fully behind him, as I am every manager at Hibs. Me being behind him doesn't mean we didn't just beat Livi today.

Folk like me :faf: I very rarely slag the team on here. Like, very rarely. Don't embarrass yourself further by continuing this patter.

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You have done nothing but slate him.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Admit it, you've had a few and you're posting utter garbage. I back all Hibs managers from the day they join. I desperately want us to win every game. Get yourself to bed.

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I don’t drink, but I will continue to pull you up on the garbage you are spouting, from my bed.

What’s our next step Pep.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell when he wasn't backed in the summer then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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Maloney isn’t immune from criticism, but are you willing to acknowledge its not a like for like comparison. Jack Ross had numerous transfer windows and had his own squad. He was sacked two years into the job. Maloney hasn’t got everything correct but he’s 6 games and less than one full transfer window into the job having inherited all the problems that got Ross sacked.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Was that not in between the best away run in our history?

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I really don't care what games he already won, you want Maloney out after 6 bloody games, playing with the same pish players that got Ross sacked, these are the same players that turned in those horrendous home defeats. Instead of sitting wanking over a photo of Jack Ross, grow a pair and get behind the new manager, at least until he gets his own squad of players in, if after that and the team is still pish, then have a go at him.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

I just don't think the players he currently has at his disposal are capable of playing in the system he wants to play.

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I think that is fair to say, but players can adapt to different styles but as I keep saying it will not happen overnight we need to give coaching team and players time.

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

For the same reasons that got Ross the sack. We were a one man team and had no midfield. That is still the case but we’ve lost the player that papered over the many cracks we see now.

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The midfield wasn't a problem at the start of the season, newell and jdh in front of the back with magennis ahead and we were flying. Fans were all talking about them being the best we have had for years. Losing magennis really has had such a huge impact.

Today showed that newell should be the first name on the teamsheet at the moment. If maloney is going to stick with this sh*t 343 system then he needs to get magennis fit or sign another like him, although im not hopeful of getting someone in that is suitable given our recruitment team think mitchell and henderson are worth signing.

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Originally Posted by J-C

I really don't care what games he already won, you want Maloney out after 6 bloody games, playing with the same pish players that got Ross sacked, these are the same players that turned in those horrendous home defeats. Instead of sitting wanking over a photo of Jack Ross, grow a pair and get behind the new manager, at least until he gets his own squad of players in, if after that and the team is still pish, then have a go at him.

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Grow up. Jack Ross got massive criticism so why can't Maloney? Tell me what has improved? I'll wait.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

We should have given Ross more time and better recruitment to turn things around. At least he had proven as a successful manager.

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Support seems to be sharply divided on this. I think Ross should have got until the end of the season but, if I'm honest, I didn't think he was great and I thought Hibs were a poor team despite the 3rd place last season. I think there is a lot of evidence just how poor the league was by the way Hearts have gone by everyone so easily. Also, St Johnstone are now being shown up as a poor team despite a 5th place finish and two Cup wins.

Surely Davidson has a better track record than Jack given his success and budget he was working to? Ross hasn't achieved anything out of the ordinary in his management career and was really struggling this year. He should maybe have got some time but we weren't going anywhere. Despite a good start in terms of points this season we weren't playing well and the signs of what was coming were there. I just don't think he's a proven success at all.

If we were going with track record for proven success, McInnes should have got the job. We've gone down another route and its a toss up whether it's a success or not. Personally, I think there are worrying signs and I don't rate Martinez (Maloney's mentor). That said there is a chance he could turn us round but he needs time. It looks unlikely he'll get it but I'm willing to be patient albeit I'm pretty sceptical.

The stewardship of the club though is very worrying and its amazing how quickly the rot set in after the 2017-18 success. Last year's 3rd place looks to be a blip which covered up the rot that was taking hold.




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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

In recent seasons we have lacked a player in midfield who can run the game. Until that’s sorted we’ll have games like today.

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Something Jack Ross didn’t address in 2 seasons, hopefully Sean Maloney can bring in that type of player who can drive us forward, they are hard to find in the January window though.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Something Jack Ross didn’t address in 2 seasons, hopefully Sean Maloney can bring in that type of player who can drive us forward, they are hard to find in the January window though.

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Kyle Magennis.

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Originally Posted by J-C

I really don't care what games he already won, you want Maloney out after 6 bloody games, playing with the same pish players that got Ross sacked, these are the same players that turned in those horrendous home defeats. Instead of sitting wanking over a photo of Jack Ross, grow a pair and get behind the new manager, at least until he gets his own squad of players in, if after that and the team is still pish, then have a go at him.

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Not sure if you know but we are 48 hours away from the transfer window closing, we've taken in quite a wad of cash and seem to have no real plan to use that cash on bringing in real quality. I guess I always assume coaches with a desire to be a first team coach/manager go through their development thinking "When I get an opportunity I'd take him, him, try him, at a stretch try him, him and him".

Just seems no positive development in the play and no improvement within the squad.

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Originally Posted by PH91

The midfield wasn't a problem at the start of the season, newell and jdh in front of the back with magennis ahead and we were flying. Fans were all talking about them being the best we have had for years. Losing magennis really has had such a huge impact.

Today showed that newell should be the first name on the teamsheet at the moment. If maloney is going to stick with this sh*t 343 system then he needs to get magennis fit or sign another like him, although im not hopeful of getting someone in that is suitable given our recruitment team think mitchell and henderson are worth signing.

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The midfield at the start of the Euro campaign was good - that midfield trio is decent enough but playing 2 of them together doesn’t work.

Magennis being injured has affected us but again you could say why didn’t we sign someone to cover him as he was never going to play every game.

Doidge playing well then getting injured and no other striker was a mess.

Maloney was brought in to get instant results and top 4.

This isn’t an experiment or transition season. At this rate ST will drop once again. We could easily fall out top 6 by the end of the season.

Next few days are massive for Maloney and Hibs - new players - will he fill the obvious gaps plus the derby.

Hearts are massive favourites - a win for Hibs would help get fans back supporting him.

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Originally Posted by J-C

I wish folk would see that the majority of these players are not good enough, they let down Ross and they'll let down Maloney, it needs more than one window to sort out this team.

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In a nutshell big chap, but folk are expecting miracles, we lost our best player this window, stupid thing to do, but how folk can’t see Maloney will need time is bizarre.

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Originally Posted by MikeyS

🤣🤣👏🏻 its been bothering me for ages who he reminded me of!

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:wink: :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Since452

Grow up. Jack Ross got massive criticism so why can't Maloney? Tell me what has improved? I'll wait.

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He's had 6, yes 6 games in charge, tell me why you want rid after so little time, are you still hurting that your precious Ross got the boot, aw didums.

Tell me why do you and a good few others invest so much of your feelings for the manager of a club and not enough in the club itself, this bemuses me. I am a supporter of Hibernian FC and will support the team no matter who is in charge. I never get emotionally attached to the manager unlike yourself and some other on here, strange actions to say the least.

Jack Ross got criticism because after a good 3rd last year we went on a terrible, with terrible football and there seemed no way he was getting us out of the rut, it's what happens in football, oh! and falling out with the owner isn't good policy if you want to keep your job.

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Originally Posted by PH91

The midfield wasn't a problem at the start of the season, newell and jdh in front of the back with magennis ahead and we were flying. Fans were all talking about them being the best we have had for years. Losing magennis really has had such a huge impact.

Today showed that newell should be the first name on the teamsheet at the moment. If maloney is going to stick with this sh*t 343 system then he needs to get magennis fit or sign another like him, although im not hopeful of getting someone in that is suitable given our recruitment team think mitchell and henderson are worth signing.

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I actually think the opposite is true. I had a look and, in the league anyway, Newell, JDH & Magennis only played together twice this season. Albeit we won both games. Looking through our lineups up to the point Magennis got injured and we’ve played variations of Gogic, Scott, Allan, Magennis, JDH & Newell. It changed most weeks and rarely the same midfield played the following game.

I think our midfield has been an issue all season. Magennis made such a difference I think he almost papered over the cracks.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

Not sure if you know but we are 48 hours away from the transfer window closing, we've taken in quite a wad of cash and seem to have no real plan to use that cash on bringing in real quality. I guess I always assume coaches with a desire to be a first team coach/manager go through their development thinking "When I get an opportunity I'd take him, him, try him, at a stretch try him, him and him".

Just seems no positive development in the play and no improvement within the squad.

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And tell me how do you know this? Unless you are privvy to meeting with Maloney and DOF we don't have a clue who they're after and how close we are to signing anyone.

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Originally Posted by J-C

He's had 6, yes 6 games in charge, tell me why you want rid after so little time, are you still hurting that your precious Ross got the boot, aw didums.

Tell me why do you and a good few others invest so much of your feelings for the manager of a club and not enough in the club itself, this bemuses me. I am a supporter of Hibernian FC and will support the team no matter who is in charge. I never get emotionally attached to the manager unlike yourself and some other on here, strange actions to say the least.

Jack Ross got criticism because after a good 3rd last year we went on a terrible, with terrible football and there seemed no way he was getting us out of the rut, it's what happens in football, oh! and falling out with the owner isn't good policy if you want to keep your job.

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Again. Grow up. You're making yourself look a complete arse. Didn't think you'd come back with an answer to my question so I'm out. Nothing has improved. Have a good night.

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Originally Posted by J-C

30 Dec 2020 Hibs 0 Ross C 2
2nd Jan 2021 Hibs 0 Livi 3
27th Feb 2021 Hibs 0 Motherwell 2
16th Oct 2021 Hibs 0 Dundee U 3

All horrendous terrible defeats at home by your beloved Jack Ross.

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That can’t be right, JR was the best thing to happen to Hibs, and don’t forget about the Hampden horror shows under his watch.

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Originally Posted by J-C

He's had 6, yes 6 games in charge, tell me why you want rid after so little time, are you still hurting that your precious Ross got the boot, aw didums.

Tell me why do you and a good few others invest so much of your feelings for the manager of a club and not enough in the club itself, this bemuses me. I am a supporter of Hibernian FC and will support the team no matter who is in charge. I never get emotionally attached to the manager unlike yourself and some other on here, strange actions to say the least.

Jack Ross got criticism because after a good 3rd last year we went on a terrible, with terrible football and there seemed no way he was getting us out of the rut, it's what happens in football, oh! and falling out with the owner isn't good policy if you want to keep your job.

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Bang on the money.

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Originally Posted by SMAXXA

In fairness I haven’t seen many of any wanting him sacked this early I’ve seen plenty frustrated and a bit despondent based on what they have seen so far which for me is understandable.

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I’ve seen a few say he gets the derby and if he loses that he should be sacked.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Again. Grow up. You're making yourself look a complete arse. Didn't think you'd come back with an answer to my question so I'm out. Nothing has improved. Have a good night.

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Grow up ffs I'm not the one greetin because a manager got the sack and it's clouded your judgement on the new guy, you're like a ditched girlfriend.

Nothing will improve until we get the majority of these imposters out the club and get players in who are better and want to be here.

I'm not looking like an erse, I'm not the one moaning about a manager after 6 bloody games, that's embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by J-C

And tell me how do you know this? Unless you are privvy to meeting with Maloney and DOF we don't have a clue who they're after and how close we are to signing anyone.

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Ok, lets revisit this on Tuesday morning!

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

You would think a journalist may ask what the actual plan and style is ? Rather than the usual cliche questions and answers.

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I think I would rather our manager let us know. It certainly isn't evident from how we are playing.

The passing is really painful to watch and is slow, inaccurate and for the most part totally pointless. We are not dragging other teams out of shape they are just moving up the pitch in formation as we play pointless passes. In the end we either force a pass or play a weak clearance and now when we foul we are giving opportunities for set pieces to come into our box. Those same set pieces we struggle to defend. I really hope Maloney isn't stubborn about his style of play as it won't end well. He needs to work out what way of playing is best for the player we have

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

Ok, lets revisit this on Tuesday morning!

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Originally Posted by Real Emerald

The passing from the back, the huge possession in our own half, the limited chances, the terrible defending and the utter terrible watch is not going to do him any favours. I can’t see him getting out of this anytime soon. The team look like a deer in headlights as does the manager, it’s an embarrassing watch considering Ross didn’t get the chance of his transfer window, injuries coming back and cup final. This is as bad as I’ve seen since Fenton/Butcher, we’ve no midfield at all.

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Ross had several transfer windows and the team he assembled and coached was and is utterly **** this season and he deservedly got the boot for it. He's gone. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Oh for f*** sake, another expert who thinks he knows it all, Jack Ross had some horror shows at ER in his time as well, but you know that don’t you Underscore.

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On fire tonight :greengrin

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Originally Posted by J-C

I really don't care what games he already won, you want Maloney out after 6 bloody games, playing with the same pish players that got Ross sacked, these are the same players that turned in those horrendous home defeats. Instead of sitting wanking over a photo of Jack Ross, grow a pair and get behind the new manager, at least until he gets his own squad of players in, if after that and the team is still pish, then have a go at him.

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This.

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

Ross had several transfer windows and the team he assembled and coached was and is utterly **** this season and he deservedly got the boot for it. He's gone. Get over it.



On fire tonight :greengrin



This.

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“Get over it”? I wasn’t really enjoying the football at the end with Ross but there was a ton of injuries, an upcoming final and a transfer window he deserved. This is a effin car crash mate.

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Originally Posted by Real Emerald

“Get over it”? I wasn’t really enjoying the football at the end with Ross but there was a ton of injuries, an upcoming final and a transfer window he deserved. This is a effin car crash mate.

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Aim your frustrations at those making the decisions then. Serious questions need to be asked of those running the club.

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

Aim your frustrations at those making the decisions then. Serious questions need to be asked of those running the club.

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Exactly, wtf is going on. We’ve turned a 3rd place 2 cup final team into utter gash in an instant. There’s no way Maloney will turn that shambles around easily, it was an utter shambles today devoid of any plan.

It was 100% the right decision to sack Ross. It was 100% the wrong decision to appoint Maloney.