Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

Incompetence or corruption?

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Neither, they obviously decided to shake hands and move forward.:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Every time I hear Stewart Regan the more impressed I am. He strikes me as a man trying his best to get on top of this unholy mess at Rangers whilst trying to keep the SFA true to it's principles of integrity and fairness to all teams.

I think the next step is obvious and Rangers know it will be suspension but their next move will be to raise an appeal near the 21st day of the cooling down period to delay the process further. They will try and appeal to get the case taking back to the original tribunal.

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OMG, Please no more back stepping.

By the end of this I'm sure RFC will be wishing they had just taken their medicine and moved on. They will exhaust every avenue available to them and I can't blame them for that.

One thing is for sure, when the punishment(s) do arrive, they are going to sting! .... :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Minder

Neither, they obviously decided to shake hands and move forward.:greengrin

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:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

Are there any masonic institutions in Europe? if so how deep does it go?

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Are you kidding.

There are masonic organizations throughout the world.

They were traditionally quite strong in Switzerland especially in Protestant cantons.

The French revoution was largely organized by masonic organizations especially the Girondins (from Bordeaux) and the Jacobins.

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Originally Posted by Onion

... how many crimes can one club commit before the authorities stand up and do their elfin job ?

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Sounds like a line from Bob Dylan!

WTF has it got to do with the masons?
They don't have the judicial power they maybe once had...

I don't believe they do anyway, its just a social club, and there's plenty Catholics in it too

Regan (not a very 'Proddy' name for conspiracy theorists) is doing an alright job in saying its up to the appellate.,.

The way I see it is that surely the Craig Whyte stuff is minor compared to 20 years of prior criminality and the investigation of that has just begun

Surely it can only get worse for the huns

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

WTF has it got to do with the masons?
They don't have the judicial power they maybe once had...

I don't believe they do anyway, its just a social club, and there's plenty Catholics in it too

Regan (not a very 'Proddy' name for conspiracy theorists) is doing an alright job in saying its up to the appellate.,.

The way I see it is that surely the Craig Whyte stuff is minor compared to 20 years of prior criminality and the investigation of that has just begun

Surely it can only get worse for the huns

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I'd say ... :aok:

It looks like Craigie Whyte is trying to emulate Mad Vlad.

fails to show up in court

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...p-no-show.html

Fails to pay a fine

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...0000-fine.html

No doubt will come out with a rant about Glasgow Mafia sometime soon

Making Scottish football look bad to the rest of the world

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...art-Regan.html

The most depressing thing is that the SPL/SFA are efffectively saying the Ugly sisters can never be relegated from the top tier........ So much for sporting integrity!!


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Originally Posted by whiskyhibby

The most depressing thing is that the SPL/SFA are efffectively saying the Ugly sisters can never be relegated from the top tier........ So much for sporting integrity!!


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Where did you get this idea from? Things are changing here. Wouldn't be surprised for Rangers to get suspended (in fact I think it's likely)

Fair enough, Doncaster has been trumpeting the 'we need the OF' line but even he has went quiet recently, Rangers brand is becoming too toxic for people to touch IMO. I have seen/ heard nothing from the SFA that suggests they will be going easy on the Hun even if the SPL do.

One way or another Rangers are going to get screwed to the wall.

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

WTF has it got to do with the masons?
They don't have the judicial power they maybe once had...

I don't believe they do anyway, its just a social club, and there's plenty Catholics in it too

Regan (not a very 'Proddy' name for conspiracy theorists) is doing an alright job in saying its up to the appellate.,.

The way I see it is that surely the Craig Whyte stuff is minor compared to 20 years of prior criminality and the investigation of that has just begun

Surely it can only get worse for the huns

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LOL, looks like too many peeps have been reading Hun Media..... I'm worried it's starting to wear off on some of us! .... I'll need to stop my own guilty pleasure just in case. :-/

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Originally Posted by EuanH78

Where did you get this idea from? Things are changing here. Wouldn't be surprised for Rangers to get suspended (in fact I think it's likely)

Fair enough, Doncaster has been trumpeting the 'we need the OF' line but even he has went quiet recently, Rangers brand is becoming too toxic for people to touch IMO. I have seen/ heard nothing from the SFA that suggests they will be going easy on the Hun even if the SPL do.

One way or another Rangers are going to get screwed to the wall.

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I notice that the Rangers fans who felt a great sense of injustice at being given a punishment that was not written in the rule book and lauded their "victory" in the court of session are now looking for a Scottish cup ban. Correct me if i am wrong but i am pretty sure that a Scottish cup ban is not in the book either?

Mr Greene has been very very quiet past few days......:rolleyes:

Anyone heard anything from Rangers sponsors? Most deals will have clauses to prevent damage to sponsor in certain circumstances...

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Originally Posted by down-the-slope

Mr Greene has been very very quiet past few days......:rolleyes:

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...ibrox.17808254

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Herald Sport understands that Green may have finally drawn the funds together through the backing of an investor in Manchester, and he suggested to the RFFF that £10m has been raised. Green was also bullishly confident about the CVA vote, which will be held next Thursday, despite financial sources consistently questioning this analysis.

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Originally Posted by grunt

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...ibrox.17808254

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Fabulous stuff.

The Huns stand on the edge of oblivion and Charlie boy says, 'look, fork out out five hundred quid and I'll give you the chance to change the name of Murray Park'.


Charlie Green, he is the man.



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Originally Posted by grunt

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...ibrox.17808254

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Can you cut and paste the article please Grunt?

I don't have access to it.


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It's probably the same p15h as this;

RANGERS supporters will be given the chance to rename the Murray Park training ground, according to Charles Green, who leads consortium trying to buy the ailing Glasgow club.
Green met yesterday with the Rangers Fans’ Fighting Fund and he described the meeting as “constructive”.
One of the issues raised was the Rangers training complex at Auchenhowie, opened in July 2001 and named after Sir David Murray, the club’s then owner who has come under fire after selling to Craig Whyte last year.
If Green can bring the club out of administraton through a Company Voluntary Agreement, season-ticket holders will get the chance to change the name in homage to Moses McNeil, one of the club’s founding fathers, or legendary winger Davie Cooper.
After the meeting Green released a statement which read: “I had a very constructive meeting with the Rangers Fans’ Fighting Fund today and we discussed a wide range of issues.
“We are united in recognising that a successful outcome to the CVA proposal is extremely important for the club, our fans and many businesses who have dealings with Rangers. Approval of the CVA would give everyone a huge boost of confidence.
“I provided the fans with further details of my consortium’s vision for the future of Rangers.
“Understandably, supporters are wary, given the recent past at Ibrox, but I will continue to have dialogue with the fans and inform them every step of the way. We will be taking Rangers forward to better days and one idea I put forward today is my plan to rename Murray Park.
“Following discussions with the supporters, we will be asking season-ticket holders to vote on whether to rename Murray Park, either the Moses McNeil Academy or the Davie Cooper Academy. We will be asking supporters to vote when they renew their season-tickets.
“We also discussed the situation with the SFA player embargo and I made it clear that the club’s position remains that we want to see a satisfactory outcome. We hope that in trying to achieve this there is general recognition this has become a difficult and complex issue for everyone.”
An RFFF spokesman said: “We had a constructive meeting today. Mr Green is fully aware of the issues we are concerned with but we made good progress in discussions. The main thing is getting the CVA approved. Once that happens fans will see that as a major milestone. There will be other milestones and if they are passed successfully it will be beneficial for the club and the fans.”
Meanwhile, Rangers have confirmed they will again travel to Germany for their pre-season tour this summer. Ally McCoist’s men will play threegames, against Eintracht Braunschweig (20 July), Armenia Bielefeld (25 July) and an as yet un-named opponent (22 or 23 July).



Pre-season tour!:faf::faf:

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Originally Posted by WindyMiller

Can you cut and paste the article please Grunt?

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Representatives of the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund met the leader of the group attempting to buy the club. Both parties released statements that described it as a "constructive meeting", but presented little detail, and the RFFF fell short of offering Green resounding support.
They went into the get-together seeking confirmation that his consortium has the money available to fund the £8.5m loan purchase, at 8% interest, which is dependent on achieving a Company Voluntary Arrangement with creditors, and more detail on the identities of the investors. They were prepared to advise supporters to buy season tickets if the information was forthcoming and positive, but fell short of that backing.
However, the two sides did emphasise the need to recognise "that a successful outcome to the CVA proposal is extremely important for the club".

Herald Sport understands that Green may have finally drawn the funds together through the backing of an investor in Manchester, and he suggested to the RFFF that £10m has been raised. Green was also bullishly confident about the CVA vote, which will be held next Thursday, despite financial sources consistently questioning this analysis.

Herald Sport also understands Green's consortium is prepared to consider all options to protect their investment – with potential SFA and Scottish Premier League sanctions ahead – including sale and leaseback of Ibrox and Murray Park, and renaming the stadium through a sponsorship deal.

RFFF members released only a short statement after the meeting. "Mr Green is fully aware of the issues we are concerned with, but we made good progress in discussions," the statement read. "The main thing is getting the CVA approved. Once that happens, fans will see that as a major milestone. There will be other milestones and if they are passed successfully, it will be beneficial for the club and the fans."
Green also revealed that he had raised the proposition of renaming Murray Park, with season-ticket holders to be given the chance to vote for it to be named after Moses McNeill, one of the founders of the club, or Davie Cooper, the former Ibrox winger. The immediate response among the wider supporter base last night, though, was to consider this little more than an ill-advised publicity stunt aimed at winning their approval.

"I provided the fans with further details of my consortium's vision for the future of Rangers," Green explained. "Understandably, supporters are wary given the recent past at Ibrox, but I will continue to have dialogue with the fans and inform them every step of the way.
"We will be taking Rangers forward to better days and one idea I put forward is my plan to rename Murray Park . . . We will be asking supporters to vote when they renew their season tickets.

"We also discussed the situation with the SFA player [registration] embargo and I made it clear that the club's position remains that we want to see a satisfactory outcome. We hope that in trying to achieve this there is general recognition [that] this has become a difficult and complex issue for everyone."

I would assume all flights, meals, accomodation and coach transfers for this pre season tour will be paid in cash and up front?:confused:

Ironic that the man the huns are pinning all hopes on is a Mr Green.

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Originally Posted by WindyMiller

Can you cut and paste the article please Grunt?

I don't have access to it.


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It's probably the same p15h as this;

RANGERS supporters will be given the chance to rename the Murray Park training ground, according to Charles Green, who leads consortium trying to buy the ailing Glasgow club.
Green met yesterday with the Rangers Fans’ Fighting Fund and he described the meeting as “constructive”.
One of the issues raised was the Rangers training complex at Auchenhowie, opened in July 2001 and named after Sir David Murray, the club’s then owner who has come under fire after selling to Craig Whyte last year.
If Green can bring the club out of administraton through a Company Voluntary Agreement, season-ticket holders will get the chance to change the name in homage to Moses McNeil, one of the club’s founding fathers, or legendary winger Davie Cooper.
After the meeting Green released a statement which read: “I had a very constructive meeting with the Rangers Fans’ Fighting Fund today and we discussed a wide range of issues.
“We are united in recognising that a successful outcome to the CVA proposal is extremely important for the club, our fans and many businesses who have dealings with Rangers. Approval of the CVA would give everyone a huge boost of confidence.
“I provided the fans with further details of my consortium’s vision for the future of Rangers.
“Understandably, supporters are wary, given the recent past at Ibrox, but I will continue to have dialogue with the fans and inform them every step of the way. We will be taking Rangers forward to better days and one idea I put forward today is my plan to rename Murray Park.
“Following discussions with the supporters, we will be asking season-ticket holders to vote on whether to rename Murray Park, either the Moses McNeil Academy or the Davie Cooper Academy. We will be asking supporters to vote when they renew their season-tickets.
“We also discussed the situation with the SFA player embargo and I made it clear that the club’s position remains that we want to see a satisfactory outcome. We hope that in trying to achieve this there is general recognition this has become a difficult and complex issue for everyone.”
An RFFF spokesman said: “We had a constructive meeting today. Mr Green is fully aware of the issues we are concerned with but we made good progress in discussions. The main thing is getting the CVA approved. Once that happens fans will see that as a major milestone. There will be other milestones and if they are passed successfully it will be beneficial for the club and the fans.”
Meanwhile, Rangers have confirmed they will again travel to Germany for their pre-season tour this summer. Ally McCoist’s men will play threegames, against Eintracht Braunschweig (20 July), Armenia Bielefeld (25 July) and an as yet un-named opponent (22 or 23 July).



Pre-season tour!:faf::faf:

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So how does a company that owes so many people cash justify a trip to Germany? Plenty teams they can play here.

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Originally Posted by itchy07

I would assume all flights, meals, accomodation and coach transfers for this pre season tour will be paid in cash and up front?:confused:

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Specially since the bill for the last pre-season trip is still sitting in the creditors list in the CVA.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

So how does a company that owes so many people cash justify a trip to Germany? Plenty teams they can play here.

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Originally Posted by grunt

Specially since the bill for the last pre-season trip is still sitting in the creditors list in the CVA.

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Sums up the whole situation - they continue to act in such a fashion despite the whole situation being the most transparent shafting of creditors that anyone could ever, ever see. Disgusting

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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

Sums up the whole situation - they continue to act in such a fashion despite the whole situation being the most transparent shafting of creditors that anyone could ever, ever see. Disgusting

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I have to say more fool those who continue to do business with them. Commercial naivete on their part.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

So how does a company that owes so many people cash justify a trip to Germany? Plenty teams they can play here.

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Not quite sure how they can justify going to Germany :confused:

I also noticed they were have ripped up the Ibrox pitch and putting a new pitch down one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57511216@N04/7274493536/in/photostream/

That's not a cheap job - who is paying for that and how ? :confused:

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

I also noticed they were have ripped up the Ibrox pitch and putting a new pitch down one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57511216@N04/7274493536/in/photostream/

That's not a cheap job - who is paying for that and how ? :confused:

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The Queen, I mean The Taxpayer (via The Queen).

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I have to say more fool those who continue to do business with them. Commercial naivete on their part.

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Can't argue with that.

Why would companies still do so? Same as with Hearts, where is the logic?

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

Not quite sure how they can justify going to Germany :confused:

I also noticed they were have ripped up the Ibrox pitch and putting a new pitch down one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57511216@N04/7274493536/in/photostream/

That's not a cheap job - who is paying for that and how ? :confused:

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Who would be daft enough to take the work on without being paid in full beforehand? :confused:

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Who would be daft enough to take the work on without being paid in full beforehand? :confused:

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Agreed.

I can't blame McCoist either here. He has his job to do, and he's getting on with it. If folk are daft enough to accommodate him, it's not his fault.

Wouldn't something like laying a pitch be authorised by the admins who are running the club? Is this acting in the best interest of the creditors?

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Originally Posted by Newry Hibs

Wouldn't something like laying a pitch be authorised by the admins who are running the club? Is this acting in the best interest of the creditors?

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Yup, if it increases the selling value of the property.... :devil:

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Yup, if it increases the selling value of the property.... :devil:

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Didn't know a car park or a Tesco would need lush new grass :confused:

I could be wrong on this but i`m sure I read that the Rangers fighting fund have paid for the new pitch?

got this image from kerrydale street but it can also be found in amongst this document...

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resource...20Protocol.pdf

it's clear that Rangers were found guilty of a maximum rule break but the SFA tried to let them off lightly by applying discretion

"The Tribunal found Rangers FC guilty in respect of Rule 66 and imposed the maximum fine of £100,000 payable within 12 months. In addition, the Tribunal imposed a prohibition in terms of Article 94.1 and 95 of the Articles of Association, prohibiting Rangers FC for a period of 12 months from the date of determination from seeking registration with the Scottish FA of any player not currently with the club, excluding any player under the age of 18 years."

so it has to be a termination of membership going by these rules

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/r...1212-19-54.png

schoolboy error by der hun, have to assume that they didn't get any legal advice whatsoever on their stupid course of action...

How the ordinary tax evader is treated

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Originally Posted by BBC News

However, Sheriff Kenneth Robb said he did not agree that nobody had been harmed by the offence. He said that in an age of financial constraints, £635,000 was a lot of money which could have helped the public purse. He told Maxwell: "You have enjoyed the fruits of your labour and the tax that you should have paid. "The tree may be bare, but you used the fruits over many years."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...medium=twitter

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Originally Posted by grunt

How the ordinary tax evader is treated[

QUOTE=BBC News]However, Sheriff Kenneth Robb said he did not agree that nobody had been harmed by the offence.
He said that in an age of financial constraints, £635,000 was a lot of money which could have helped the public purse.
He told Maxwell: "You have enjoyed the fruits of your labour and the tax that you should have paid.
"The tree may be bare, but you used the fruits over many years."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...medium=twitter[/QUOTE]


i've just finished reading that article as well :greengrin

Can anyone explain to me why the SFA and FIFA aren't punishing Rangers for taking action to civil courts?:confused: Surely now the SFA are inviting open season for future court actions and FIFA can probably expect an angry phone call from Sion.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...oing-to-court/

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

got this image from kerrydale street but it can also be found in amongst this document...

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resource...20Protocol.pdf

it's clear that Rangers were found guilty of a maximum rule break but the SFA tried to let them off lightly by applying discretion

"The Tribunal found Rangers FC guilty in respect of Rule 66 and imposed the maximum fine of £100,000 payable within 12 months. In addition, the Tribunal imposed a prohibition in terms of Article 94.1 and 95 of the Articles of Association, prohibiting Rangers FC for a period of 12 months from the date of determination from seeking registration with the Scottish FA of any player not currently with the club, excluding any player under the age of 18 years."

so it has to be a termination of membership going by there rules

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/r...1212-19-54.png

schoolboy error by der hun, have to assume that they didn't get any legal advise whatsoever on their stupid course of action...

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So by definition they already fall into the maximum penalty category. This leads me to believe that the only option is to stick with a 100,000 pound fine or add on suspension.

I guess that'll be just a fine then. 14 million and all they'll pay is 100 grand.

C'mon Hibs, let's give players vastly inflated contracts and use the tax and NI. That'll still save us money and let us put up a better challenge.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Can anyone explain to me why the SFA and FIFA aren't punishing Rangers for taking action to civil courts?:confused: Surely now the SFA are inviting open season for future court actions and FIFA can probably expect an angry phone call from Sion.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...oing-to-court/

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Is there a distinction here though?

If the Swiss FA followed all the correct procedures but Sion went to court then they were fair game. Is that what happened?

It seems like an error has been made by the SFA which means they'd be stupid to ignore the decision or risk possible further intervention from the courts, not just here but throughout football.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Can anyone explain to me why the SFA and FIFA aren't punishing Rangers for taking action to civil courts?:confused: Surely now the SFA are inviting open season for future court actions and FIFA can probably expect an angry phone call from Sion.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...oing-to-court/

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Sion weren't separately punished for going to court. They received a 3pt deduction from the Swiss FA for every game they played the embargoed players in and were expelled from the Europa League by UEFA for using those players against Celtic.

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Originally Posted by At The Edge

I could be wrong on this but i`m sure I read that the Rangers fighting fund have paid for the new pitch?

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Looks like it was the fighting fund who helped pay for it...

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/footba...rticle/2786206

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BBCAlLamont Rangers Fans Fighting Fund says Charles Green's promised he won't sell or mortgage Ibrox or Murray Park (or other property assets). 07/06/2012 13:09

Surely it hasn't got anything to with Charles Green at this stage as a) He doesn't actually own the club yet, b) its the administrators decision if they feel it would benefit the creditors and then c) the liquidators could also decide to do this?

Just spewed my breakfast up after looking at that photo :@

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It's like I said a few weeks ago. Unless you can't help yourself coz you're a dyed in the wool Hun, then everyone should boycott RFC on all levels, including commercially and football wise. In other words ignore them and have nothing to do with them. Don't sell goods or services to them and don't attend any matches that they play in. Their blue tinted world would maybe implode sooner if that happened.

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I have to say more fool those who continue to do business with them. Commercial naivete on their part.

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Is there a distinction here though?

If the Swiss FA followed all the correct procedures but Sion went to court then they were fair game. Is that what happened?

It seems like an error has been made by the SFA which means they'd be stupid to ignore the decision or risk possible further intervention from the courts, not just here but throughout football.

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The SFA haven't necessarily made an error though Vick. A QC and a high court judge have disagreed with another high court judge. The SFA chose not to appeal the decision but may very well have won an appeal. They seem to have acquiesced to Rangers rather quickly imo.

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Yup, if it increases the selling value of the property.... :devil:

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But a price has already been agreed and contracted :na na:.

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The SFA haven't necessarily made an error though Vick. A QC and a high court judge have disagreed with another high court judge. The SFA chose not to appeal the decision but may very well have won an appeal. They seem to have acquiesced to Rangers rather quickly imo.

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The SFA could not have gone to appeal without getting themselves in trouble with FIFA. I suspect that unless Rangers are given a harsher penalty that they will be hauled up by FIFA.

We will have to wait and see what the panel hands out. If Rangers challenge this in the courts then there really will be blood on the carpet.

Somethings be bothering me for a while now and I need to get it off my chest in this Rangers fiasco , theres always a single point in cases that stick out things that went against the grain things that the SFA , FIFA , Uefa and the police should have done something about , yet didnt ,
they seem to have let it slide for whatever reason

I`ll tell you whats pee`d me of big time is McCoists name the panel stint and the afters these elected people had to put up with ,plus the singing of the songs whens that all getting looked into, never heard a peep about it ,brushed under the carpet forgotten about,if something you said resulted in threats of violence ,possible arson attacks ,and threats to your family surely some form of accountability would be laid at your door ,the police even had to issue warnings ,so wheres the follow up whens the tap tap tap on Allys door going to happen ,would it have taken a victim or a fire to get things moving Im just asking likes I see this as a gross dereliction of duty by the bodies Ive mentioned and they themselves should be investigated for those very reasons

I think the notch just got raised by a tweet today I took this of my other form of entertainment Rangers Media and in this case they definitely have a point, tell me what you think is it a storm in a tea cup or more sinister Ive always believed ones as bad as the other nothing between them but the fact people can even consider putting that up for public viewing beggars belief .

http://i.imgur.com/UOOaz.jpg

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The SFA haven't necessarily made an error though Vick. A QC and a high court judge have disagreed with another high court judge. The SFA chose not to appeal the decision but may very well have won an appeal. They seem to have acquiesced to Rangers rather quickly imo.

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I think they had to, they couldn't argue in future against clubs going to the courts if they were to use it themselves to appeal.

I can't see any other way than the SFA committee going up the way with the punishments and Rangers will certainly risk FIFA action if they chose to take that, which is within the remit of the SFA committee, to further court action. That would really be challenging a valid football judgement.

If the Committee go down the way then the game is up as far as who runs Scottish football.

Did Regan not say that if Rangers accept the original signing ban that would be an end of it.

Rangers would be crazy not to take this way out, but we can but hope their arrogance prevails over common sense.

I have a funny feeling that all that will happen in the event of suspension is the CVA will fail and newco will form and circumvent any suspension by leaving the punishment with the oldco. Then it will be up to the SPL lapdogs to re admit the cheats.

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I`ll tell you whats pee`d me of big time is McCoists name the panel stint and the afters these elected people had to put up with ,plus the singing of the songs whens that all getting looked into, never heard a peep about it ,brushed under the carpet forgotten about,if something you said resulted in threats of violence ,possible arson attacks ,and threats to your family surely some form of accountability would be laid at your door ,the police even had to issue warnings ,so wheres the follow up whens the tap tap tap on Allys door going to happen ,would it have taken a victim or a fire to get things moving Im just asking likes I see this as a gross dereliction of duty by the bodies Ive mentioned and they themselves should be investigated for those very reasons

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:agree: Surprising too that Traynoryoungdodds haven't been using their combined journalistic muscle to get to the bottom of this inaction. :fibber:

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But a price has already been agreed and contracted :na na:.

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I was looking beyond the Green situation to liquidation. :agree:

D&P release results of creditors meeting and revision to their initial proposals - wonder what changed?

http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles...~177305,00.pdf

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I have a funny feeling that all that will happen in the event of suspension is the CVA will fail and newco will form and circumvent any suspension by leaving the punishment with the oldco. Then it will be up to the SPL lapdogs to re admit the cheats.

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Just thinking out loud a bit here, but this voting in the newco, is it a possibility becasue they will get the oldco licence? If so why should the cheating oldco still hold the licence (other than they arra peepul)? Surely the oldco need to have this stripped from them?

If it doesn't depend on the licence, then are the SPL voting in any old company that just happens to be formed and have Rangers in the name?

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D&P release results of creditors meeting and revision to their initial proposals - wonder what changed?

http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles...~177305,00.pdf

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Was the bit about HMRC getting their way with the appointment of the liquidators in the original?

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I was looking beyond the Green situation to liquidation. :agree:

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Liquidation isn't on the table though. The options are CVA or Newco buying all the assets for £5.5m - unless the point I made way back in post #10288 is accurate.

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Was the bit about HMRC getting their way with the appointment of the liquidators in the original?

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Hmm I don't think so, but I do remember BDO being talked about as liquidators a while ago.

Wednesday/Thursday next week will be joyous if the CVA is rejected. Hopefully with the SFA kicking them when they're down with a suspension or expulsion.

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Liquidation isn't on the table though. The options are CVA or Newco buying all the assets for £5.5m - unless the point I made way back in post #10288 is accurate.

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Was that about the properties not being sold on? (sorry, CBA reading back)

Lots of thing being swept under the carpet. I have asked the SPL 3 times now for details of their investigation into alleged sectarian signing at the Rangers v Kilmarnock game on the 18th February. It was mentioned in the SPL delegate's match report yet more than 3 months on we have seen nothing. All my requests have been polite and courteous yet not even had an acknowledgment from the SPL. I don't see how the current issues at Ibrox can stop them investigating this and issuing a response to what were serious allegations.

Is there any way that that the creditors can all get together and ask for th admins to be removed and different ones installed?

These two clauses are new:

17.1.9 - acceptance of Joint Admin's proposals does not imply acceptance of Voluntary Arrangements
17.1.10 - admins to report to creditors on CVA no later than 3 months from creditors meeting (I guess this means by 5 July)

These clauses have changed:

17.1.11 - appointment of liquidators - in the original proposal, D&P suggested they would act as liquidators. In the revised and agreed version, BDO will be liquidators.

17.1.12 - now includes right of creditors to challenge D&P fees.

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Is there any way that that the creditors can all get together and ask for th admins to be removed and different ones installed?

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If a majority thought that the admins weren't doing their job properly, they could apply to the Courts.

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Was that about the properties not being sold on? (sorry, CBA reading back)

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That's right - in the Estimated Outcome Statement the £5.3m purchase price is marked against player contracts and IPR/goodwill only. Freehold property is marked N/A. I did come to the conclusion that it was just badly drafted, but it's a big error given their keenness to stick to the letter of the law.

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Liquidation isn't on the table though. The options are CVA or Newco buying all the assets for £5.5m - unless the point I made way back in post #10288 is accurate.

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Sure, but NewCo means liquidation of OldCo, no?

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Sure, but NewCo means liquidation of OldCo, no?

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It does, but within the context of my debate with CWG my point was that the value of Ibrox isn't enhanced by the relaying of the pitch because the liquidation sale price has already been established.

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Liquidation isn't on the table though. The options are CVA or Newco buying all the assets for £5.5m - unless the point I made way back in post #10288 is accurate.

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Suggestions on the RTC blog have been made that the asset purchase deal is only irrevocable in one direction, ie. the admins have a fallback position that Green will buy if they can't get more any other way.

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Just thinking out loud a bit here, but this voting in the newco, is it a possibility becasue they will get the oldco licence? If so why should the cheating oldco still hold the licence (other than they arra peepul)? Surely the oldco need to have this stripped from them?

If it doesn't depend on the licence, then are the SPL voting in any old company that just happens to be formed and have Rangers in the name?

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Absolutley spot on argument :top marks .... would be very keen to see the "powers that be" respond to that question.

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Suggestions on the RTC blog have been made that the asset purchase deal is only irrevocable in one direction, ie. the admins have a fallback position that Green will buy if they can't get more any other way.

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"any other way" INCLUDING liquidation?

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It does, but within the context of my debate with CWG my point was that the value of Ibrox isn't enhanced by the relaying of the pitch because the liquidation sale price has already been established.

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Ah right, sorry, see what you mean. Another example of expenditure which diminishes creditor pot (if Rangers (IA) paid for it) but does not enhance creditor value. I hope that the sale of assets to Green is capable of challenge.

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Suggestions on the RTC blog have been made that the asset purchase deal is only irrevocable in one direction, ie. the admins have a fallback position that Green will buy if they can't get more any other way.

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I think that's probably right, but the discussion was about the cost of relaying the pitch at Ibrox. My point is that the administrators had no reason to incur that cost because as far as they are concerned only CVA or Newco is going to happen and relaying the pitch doesn't improve the outcome for creditors in either option.

It looks like the debate has been superseded anyway if the RFFF have financed it.

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These two clauses are new:

17.1.9 - acceptance of Joint Admin's proposals does not imply acceptance of Voluntary Arrangements

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This is interesting in that it backs up the position of one regular RTC poster who has been banging the drum that the "CVA" is not really a CVA but merely a "Proposal to hold a CVA". So creditors would have to accept the proposal and then we'd go back to D&P for an actual CVA and another vote (and yet another delay).

Lots of thing being swept under the carpet. I have asked the SPL 3 times now for details of their investigation into alleged sectarian signing at the Rangers v Kilmarnock game on the 18th February. It was mentioned in the SPL delegate's match report yet more than 3 months on we have seen nothing. All my requests have been polite and courteous yet not even had an acknowledgment from the SPL. I don't see how the current issues at Ibrox can stop them investigating this and issuing a response to what were serious allegations.

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I think that's probably right, but the discussion was about the cost of relaying the pitch at Ibrox. My point is that the administrators had no reason to incur that cost because as far as they are concerned only CVA or Newco is going to happen and relaying the pitch doesn't improve the outcome for creditors in either option.

It looks like the debate has been superseded anyway if the RFFF have financed it.

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Gotcha. :aok:

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This is interesting in that it backs up the position of one regular RTC poster who has been banging the drum that the "CVA" is not really a CVA but merely a "Proposal to hold a CVA". So creditors would have to accept the proposal and then we'd go back to D&P for an actual CVA and another vote (and yet another delay).

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My post was a shortened version of the paragraph. In full it says:

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17.1.9 Any proposed Voluntary Arrangement or Scheme of Arrangement will be considered on its merits by HMRC Voluntary Arrangements Service. Acceptance of the Joint Administrator's proposals by HMRC does not therefore imply acceptance of any Voluntary Arrangement proposals that may be put forward as a consequence.

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Damned if I know what it means...

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Damned if I know what it means...

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Having no financial knowledge, this could be complete bolox, but it reads to me like they have issued a proposal for the creditors to get together to decide on the outcome as a group rather than as individual entities. Then they are saying that agreeing to answer as one does not mean they are agreeing to the cva.

HMRC's nominated liquidator:

http://www.bdo.uk.com/find-a-partner/malcolm-cohen

"Malcolm leads the firms’ Contentious Insolvency Team, this team is dedicated to recovering assets through litigation, cross border investigations and uncovering fraud."

:cb

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Lots of thing being swept under the carpet. I have asked the SPL 3 times now for details of their investigation into alleged sectarian signing at the Rangers v Kilmarnock game on the 18th February. It was mentioned in the SPL delegate's match report yet more than 3 months on we have seen nothing. All my requests have been polite and courteous yet not even had an acknowledgment from the SPL. I don't see how the current issues at Ibrox can stop them investigating this and issuing a response to what were serious allegations.

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Was thinking about this the other day - nothing heard about it - seems like it was swept under the carpet.

With the recent Celtic park incident with Rangers fans smashing up the toilets - action was taken as several hundred complaints were made to the police at the time so they had to investigate it.

Seems that nothing will be done about the fans singing as no complaints made.

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BBCAlLamont Dave King calls for Rangers fans to oppose Charles Green's CVA,Dave King also says he's making a claim against club for the full amount of his investment, based on "deliberate non-disclosure by David Murray of transactions that he had committed to on behalf of the club that were both risky and to the sole advantage of the Murray Group. "I also believe that all true Rangers fans should not buy any season tickets until full and frank disclosure has been provided by Duff & Phelps, Mr Green, and Mr Whyte, as to what is truly going on behind the scenes."

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BBCAlLamont Dave King calls for Rangers fans to oppose Charles Green's CVA,Dave King also says he's making a claim against club for the full amount of his investment, based on "deliberate non-disclosure by David Murray of transactions that he had committed to on behalf of the club that were both risky and to the sole advantage of the Murray Group. "I also believe that all true Rangers fans should not buy any season tickets until full and frank disclosure has been provided by Duff & Phelps, Mr Green, and Mr Whyte, as to what is truly going on behind the scenes."

Several Tweets put together there for easiness

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Or see here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18360427

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Seems that nothing will be done about the fans singing as no complaints made.

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It was mentioned in the SPL match delegate's report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17130755

Still think the SFA have handled things ok so far: SPL an absolute joke. :rolleyes:

"I am opposing the CVA and urge all loyal fans to do the same," - Dave King.

Don't worry Davie boy, this "loyal" HIbs fan and tax payer opposes the CVA 100% :greengrin

WTF????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18360427

In this report he has (or says he will) issued a £20m claim against the Club!

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/105215-r...-against-club/

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In this report he has (or says he will) issued a £20m claim against the Club!

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/105215-r...-against-club/

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What are the implications of this claim for a CVA?

One for CG or CWG I suspect?

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WTF????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18360427

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First shot in the Barren Knights vs Green Brigade battle for the (rotten) soul of ra Gers! :rolleyes:

Is Dave King still active at Rangers? Or was he one of those that left after Whyte took over? If he is still actuve its very interesting that he would feel compelled to make these comments rather than just keeping schtum

Just in. Craig whyte to take legal action against the SFA for defamation!! Hilarious!!

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Just in. Craig whyte to take legal action against the SFA for defamation!! Hilarious!!

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I suspect there will be claim and counter claim, court case after court case and appeal after appeal for years to come in this sorry mess.

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I suspect there will be claim and counter claim, court case after court case and appeal after appeal for years to come in this sorry mess.

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Happy mess?

Catchy title. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Dave King press release

NO GREEN AND WHYTE AT IBROX

I have continued to observe the lack of progress in the attempts to resolve the crisis at Ibrox. I hoped that a “supportable” proposal would emerge from an individual or grouping that would meet the needs of the club. I see those needs comprising of four main components;
1. Any offer should demonstrate the capacity to not only acquire the club but to invest in the club going forward.
2. Any offer should be supported by the requisite business skills to ensure that the recent crisis is not repeated.
3. Any offer should recognise that the club cannot be run on purely business principles. The club has a “soul”, a history, and a tradition going back 140 years. Our children and grandchildren are entitled to the same legacy that our father’s and grandfather’s bequeathed to us.
4. Any offer should recognise that the fans are key stakeholders in the club, whether they are shareholders or not.

In my view the CVA proposal that is being put forward for consideration by Duff & Phelps fails to demonstrate compliance with any of the above criteria. I accept the possibility that Duff and Phelps may know more than is contained in the CVA proposal, but if that is the case, why the lack of transparency? Duff & Phelps have earned enormous sums as administrators and have had sufficient time to ensure that full disclosure is made with any offer.

One practical difficulty that Duff and Phelps has is that their prime responsibility is to those stakeholders that have a legal claim on the company. This excludes the many fans who are important stakeholders but not shareholders. This leads me to some specific concerns about the CVA proposal;
1. It is clear from the CVA proposal that Mr Green intends to repeat Mr Whyte’s strategy of using season ticket sales to fund the club. This would put fans back in the position of funding the club without owning it.
2. I made it clear to Duff and Phelps that I regard the Whyte acquisition of the shares from the Murray Group as being fraudulent and that myself and every other minority shareholder (all fan shareholders) have been prejudiced by this. The CVA gives no recognition to this difficulty and to what reparation will be made to those shareholders who have been abused by the terms of the sale to Mr Whyte.
3. I also advised Duff & Phelps that I was making a claim against the club for the full amount of my investment based on the deliberate non-disclosure by David Murray of transactions that he had committed to on behalf of the club that were both risky and to the sole advantage of the Murray Group. I have made that claim but Duff & Phelps have at this stage ignored my representations.
4. If it becomes necessary for me to prove my claim I intend to enlist the support of the other fans, like me, who are shareholders in order to ensure that we are all considered and represented. I further advised Duff & Phelps that any proceeds received in respect of my claim will be reinvested, in full, back into the club. I am sure that all other aggrieved investors (that are fans) will do likewise. This will ensure that a substantial portion of the funds used to acquire the club will still be available to invest in its future.
5. Mr Whyte gave me first right of refusal on his shares on the 29th September 2011. Andrew Ellis subsequently advised me that Mr Whyte had personally advised him about my first right of refusal but that Mr Ellis had a prior right to 24,9% of the shareholding from Mr Whyte. Based on my own history of dealings with Mr Whyte I have no reason to doubt Mr Ellis’s version. Either way, Mr Green cannot acquire the shares.

It is not my intention, and I know Mr Ellis feels the same, to get in the way of a properly structured and a properly funded transaction that meets the needs of all stakeholders, including the fans.

In my view, based on previous discussions with Mr Whyte, it is unlikely in the extreme that he would sell “his” shares to Mr Green for a nominal sum (even if he hadn’t committed them to me) unless he was obtaining some benefit or retaining some control behind the scenes. Duff & Phelps non-communicative approach to stakeholders causes me further concern in that regard.

I am opposing the CVA and urge all loyal fans to do the same. We don’t want to be back in a similar situation next season. I also believe that all true Rangers fans should not buy any season tickets until full and frank disclosure has been provided by Duff & Phelps, Mr Green, and Mr Whyte, as to what is truly going on behind the scenes.

Dave King
Johannesburg
7th June 2012

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If a majority thought that the admins weren't doing their job properly, they could apply to the Courts.

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Cheers, next question. Charles greene says if a CVA fails he will go newco route and transfer assets - can he do this? Can HMRC appoint liquidators to put the assets on open market to see how much they could get?

Also, can Charles do anything at the moment, I dont think he is the owner and therefore cant say that he will move assets etc.

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Just in. Craig whyte to take legal action against the SFA for defamation!! Hilarious!!

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He was going to sue the BBC and that died a death.

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Cheers, next question. Charles greene says if a CVA fails he will go newco route and transfer assets - can he do this? Can HMRC appoint liquidators to put the assets on open market to see how much they could get?

Also, can Charles do anything at the moment, I dont think he is the owner and therefore cant say that he will move assets etc.

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CG can't transfer assets, he can offer to purchase them from RFC and the admins can accept his offer but if they don't get full market value they would be open to legal challenge.

If the CVA proposal fails then the company stays in admin. If/when the money runs out they will be put into liquidation and it looks like HMRC's nominated liquidator, BDO, will be doing the job. The current administrators, D&P, asked the creditors to approve them as liquidators (if it comes to that) but looks like they failed.

BDO have been appointed as the liquidators and are on standby according to posts on Kerrydale Street

I'm sure ages ago someone here reported that an all staff email had gone round BDO asking if anyone had a conflict of interest??

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BDO have been appointed as the liquidators and are on standby according to posts on Kerrydale Street

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They haven't been appointed - liquidation hasn't happened yet. They have been nominated as potential liquidators, if the CVA doesn't work and if it is decided that the company should be liquidated.

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BDO have been appointed as the liquidators and are on standby according to posts on Kerrydale Street

I'm sure ages ago someone here reported that an all staff email had gone round BDO asking if anyone had a conflict of interest??

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The British Darts Organisation?

Why not - everyone else has had their fingers in the pie!

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Just in. Craig whyte to take legal action against the SFA for defamation!! Hilarious!!

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No doubt will be paid by us tax payers sometime in the next 10 years or so if even at all.

This story has more legs than a family of centipedes and the sooner Rangers are brought to account the better. I can't be bothered reading all the posts on this thread as I am fed up with it all. Rangers FC = bunch of :cb

That's all.

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He was going to sue the BBC and that died a death.

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Was CW the inspiration for Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named 'Sue' " ? :hmmm:

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Just in. Craig whyte to take legal action against the SFA for defamation!! Hilarious!!

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Where did you see this?

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Where did you see this?

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It was on SSN.