Trump having a private 1-on-1 with Putin after the NATO summit.....
It is clear as day that he is trying to break up the alliances
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Trump having a private 1-on-1 with Putin after the NATO summit.....
It is clear as day that he is trying to break up the alliances
Three massive US helicopters patrolling low over North London at the moment. Very noisy.
Anyone would think the big orange **** was trying to intimidate us!!
******g willy waver!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-44829539
That's Trump in Scotland.
What's the main reason for the protests? The man makes so many baffling statements and has probably upset every nation in the World, so I'm assuming there's plenty reasons for a protest.
The state of people protesting combined with their "patter" has me 100% behind Trump, I hope he comes out with some more trolling to rile them up further.
The worst of the lot are the weegies, chugging themselves senseless at how hilarious their statements are on their banners, the typical cringe level 10 " What are we like?!?!" pish that comes out of Glasgow.
Yep, that's definitely what I'm looking for in a US President. A willingness and ability to troll weegies.Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Cool rationale, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Supporting a racist, misogynist, anti-democratic buffoon because you don't approve of some people's sense of humour.
I'm in awe.
It's the trendy thing to do these days. The people of America voted for him in a democratic election and let's be honest he has not been a complete disaster as many predicted. Why some Glaswegian feels the need to protest I am not sure. Maybe nothing better to do or positive contributions to make elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
We don't see the Americans out on the street protesting about Teresa May and her handling of Brexit.
May isn't the most powerful person in the world. Like it or not, Trump's actions have an effect on all of us. In that light, it's entirely appropriate for people to express their views.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
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I get that but it feels like a protest for the sake of a protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/z...s4ji77wgy.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Maybe when May talks about grabbing them by the pussy or starts to separate children from their parents, we'll see protests if she ever visits the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Trump walking in front of the Queen just highlights his incompetence and ignorance.
Trump's been getting a lot of flak for supposedly blowing the Chequers Brexit plans out of the water but the guy can change his mind like the wind and a day in the company of the PM and the Queen has seemingly swung him back on side. It's hard to take his view on such matters seriously.
Folk forget though, that Obama made what proved to be a grave error when he stepped into the debate pre-Brexit with his 'back of the queue for trade deals' remarks were Britain to leave the EU. He probably thought his perceived popularity here would cement a No vote, but it backfired badly.
You think Obama was a prime reason for half the country to vote Leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
It was good to see Vicky Pollard making an appearance at the anti-Trump rally yesterday - yeah but no but yeah but
https://twitter.com/holbornlolz/stat...550007808?s=21
I oppose Donald Trump because because the media told me to and because I like following a trend
The guys the bellends bellend.
I'm not going to waste my sunny Saturday shouting about him in the street though.
Not nice things, but why are people not out protesting against the Saudis and their human rights record. The UK has a very cosy relationship with a one of the most horrible regimes in the world. Because its not seen as trendy and being 'right on'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Pathetic isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by HelmutSchlong
Probably a fair representation of the majority of people there, like his trendy neck scarf as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by HelmutSchlong
Pretty much spot on imo ! and where were the media reports? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
As some posters have said in regards seperatibng the kids n what not i do disagree DT in that regard.It could be handled alot better.
Though if I am a lil confused in regards him getting called a racist- alot of coloured and different nationalists and people whom have worked for him do say they like him and he s not a rasict, his wife aint american is she? and as for being a misogynist- same as i have just said i remeber seeing an interview with one of his top female employees (think she was a c.o.o or something similar) whom had nothing but nice things to say.
Given the choice of him or hillary i d take trump 6 days out of 7 ( i ll prob need a day off after the 6th day !!:wink:)
What time does the march at the parliament start? I'm out a walk in Holyrood Park at the moment and you're lucky if there are 100 people there currently. More Police than protesters,
Yeah it isQuote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
I’m ashamed of what this country is becoming. Donald Trump holds office in the White House and the disrespect he has been shown is abhorrent. It’s usually by the same muppets who get on their pedestal when idiots call Nicola Sturgeon Wee Nippy or Jimmy Crankie etc
I assume that everyone who was there yesterday on a weekday protesting have jobs and just happened to be on holiday. Surely they wouldn’t have the audacity to be living off the state and making absolutely no contribution to British society? I think we know the answer for the majority of them....
I can’t recall these level of protests when Robert Mugabe or Mohamed Bin Salman were here, nor Clinton and Obama for that matter. I also don’t recall the media giving anywhere near this level of coverage of any protest when Xi Jinping visited the UK
As for Sadiq Khan, well, this man is an absolute disgrace. He should step down, in fact he should have been sacked when he came out with his terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big city quote, everyday he is in office is a further insult to the people in London. I travel Down to London for work regularly and it’s been declining for the past few years but it has never been as run down as it is now, so scary and so disappointing.
I doubt it, but it certainly didn't play as the trump (no pun intended) card Cameron probably thought it would. I was just pointing out that Trump's not the only US President to have weighed in with some less than helpful input on Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Is that you, Donald?Quote:
Originally Posted by HelmutSchlong
Sadiq Khan was elected by his people, in the same way that Trump was. It's up to them whether he is "sacked".
Trump is unlike other leaders. He is a bigoted, racist old fart and he deserves everything that he gets. The protesters have a right to show disgust at him being in Scotland and although I am not one of them, I completely back them in what they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HelmutSchlong
And any Trump employee is going to out him as a exist or misogynist. He's been proven to be a racist sexist twAt by his own words and actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyhibs1983
Jesus Christ the right wingers are out in force today.
The irony of complaining about millenials being a bunch of snowflakes whilst at the same time, getting upset about a protest just because these people hold a different viewpoint from themselves, should be obvious to most.
I can't believe I have to say this, but just because someone doesn't act like a racist at every single opportunity doesn't mean they aren't a racist piece of ****. Trump tried to ban people of certain ethnic backgrounds and folk travelling from certain countries from entering the US.
You just have to turn that situation on it's head to see how utterly ridiculous that is:
Asian country that's historically had native brown people ban white Europeans from the UK from entering their country, amid fears that they might convert people to a radical branch of Christianity. The ban inevitably ends up preventing foreign nationals who are actually citizens of said country from returning to their family...
As did Obama during his reign. I don’t remember any faux outrage back thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dinkydoo
Sauce?Quote:
Originally Posted by HelmutSchlong
If true, I had no idea. And probably a fair number of the protesters today didn't either.
There has been a comparisons made between Obama's 2011 migration restrictions and Trumps policy. If you do any research on it you will also note that Independent assessments have concluded that they were not comparable... the findings were that Trumps is broader, impacted more countries and is not designed to respond to a specific threat....unlike Obama's..Quote:
Originally Posted by HelmutSchlong
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You make a good point in regards current employees thoughb alot of former employees agree also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
And I feel things are often protrayed a certain way also mostly by the media IMO of course.
kind regards
No it’s because they were racist idiots who believed a number of the side of a bus was it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
As for Trump...well he’s hardly my cup of tea to say the least but as PB said I ain’t gonna waste any time joining in some ill defined ‘protest’ against a US President having the temerity to visit the UK
I saw a few protesters getting dropped off in their luxury cars by their Mum and Dad's earlier. Probably the same people who protest against capitalism on their gap year before Oxbridge and joining a hedge fund.
I remember thinking much the same during the "Make Poverty History" march that happened the same time the G8 was held at Gleneagles. Whilst we shouldn't judge someone's political standings on appearances of wealth, it did stick in my craw that there I was, dressed in white playing a VERY small part in trying to raise awareness to the global inequalities many people face and there was a few groups of what appeared to be well to do/middle classes quaffing prosecco in the middle of the heaving Meadows as if it was the Henley Regatta or some other such gathering commonly perceived as being for our society's elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Class and privilege aren't the issue people are protesting here...it is about hate, fear, and division ....Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
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What a ludicrous post. It's this type of attitude that perfectly sums up what Trump's regime is normalising. Lazy generalisations, insecurity, inverted snobbery and intolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
I'd back anyone to protest against him. It seems healthier to actively have a stance against an appalling creature like Trump that sit and sneer at those who do.
Did you see the clip posted from Sky news, the guy never had a clue what he was protesting against. He was there as he and many others think its the trendy thing to do. Appreciate not all are like that and maybe some people have some genuine reason to protest against him, but as I said earlier can you explain why there was not similar protests when the Saudi leader had a state visit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
I did listen to what he said. Not up there with the most articulate, but what actually he said was in essence "that he didn't think the world should be led by a bully who uses negative methods to put people down". Not an issue with that. The danger with voxpop taken in isolation is that you can pick it to choose whatever you want to portray. One lad with a dubious taste in neck wear and a preponderance for interspersing "like" too much in sentences doesn't make the protest invalid. There'll be a mix of reasons for attending sure, but there's a reason why someone like Trump drives people onto the streets here and in the USA. He is an atrocious human being.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
You other point is mostly whitabootery. Trump is arguably the most powerful man in the planet. I follow US politics daily - what he and his administration are doing is dangerous on a global level as well as a US one. He panders to his fundamental religious base. He actively appoints climate change deniers to positions on the EPA. His new secretary of state has appalling positions on human rights. He demonstrably and repeatedly lies publicly. He threatens the the concept of free speech enshrined in the first amendment. His SCOTUS appointments will threaten womens rights for decades to come. His global trade war will impact everyone as it bites. His ties with Russia look to be shown to be impeachable. His frequent outbursts against women, people with disabilities, minorities, the press, the democrats all show the man as a blustering narcissist. And that's off the top off my head.
Trump has a disproportionately massive potential to harm the UK and the world. That is why he draws protest more than any number of appalling regimes and conflicts around the planet.
The trump protests are mostly made up of middle class virtue signalling, communists and trans activists.
What's your evidence for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Did you have them all fill in a questionnaire?
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At the end of the day it matters not what we think but what the people of America think, that's why I don't get why people seem to pick just on Trump and not other leaders of much worse nations. At the recent Commonwealth summit there was 37 leaders of nations where homosexuality is still illegal, anyone protest at that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
If he is doing a bad job he will get voted out. His approval ratings are not great, but neither are they terrible.
No I have watched videos of the protests and the people who attend. Mostly as I have described them. If they think the speak for the majority of people they are well wide of the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Because, as has been said before, the actions of his country have a greater and deeper effect on a larger number of people than do those of anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
When America sneezes, the world catches a cold. When Trump sneezes, the world reaches for the penicillin. :greengrin
How can you tell the motives, backgrounds and opinions of every single person who was there by watching videos?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
By the signs they hold, by their chants and mantras and who they represent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
What's tonight's lottery numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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Read my answer to you - he's protested against because he has the opportunity to wreak global damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
You tell me for a change?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I don't have the mind-reading skills that you seem to have [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
I have to assume you're trolling for a reaction as that is up there with the weirdest posts I've seen if it is reflective of your genuine opinion. Genuinely disturbing.
Did you not read my reply. I didn't have to read their minds. They held signs and chanted slogans and many in trans costumes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Every single person at the demo was videoed, yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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Just want to say to the snowflakes, that was pitiful compared to the miners strike and Paris 68.
Of course the didn't have as good snack stalls, so well done on that count.
I did not say every single protestor did I? I said most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Originally Posted by HomeTeam
But to know that most of them were... etc etc etc... you'd need to have seen videos of all of them, no? 🤣
While we're at it, what's your issue with trans activists?
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Snowflakes. The new "go to" response for people without argumentsQuote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
Well your narrow view of the world doesn't speak for me....anyone who stands up and protests against ignorance, bigotry, racism, sexism and division is good enough for me regardless of their background...Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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What's a trans costume?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
As others have said, Trump might be a bellend but the fact he was playing golf on the west coast of Scotland at a course he owns didn't inspire me to take to the streets of Edinburgh to 'protest'. For most who choose to spend their Saturday afternoon that way I say fair enough, but it's the politicians who home in on these events in an attempt to boost their credibility who stick in the craw. I see Richard Leonard and Tommy Sheppard coming out with quotes about how this shows that 'Scotland stands shoulder to shoulder against Trump'. Given that the police estimate of the crowd today was a mere 9,000 (there were considerably more at Easter Road in midweek) such statements are patently nonsense.
I don't see the trans movement as being deserving of the amount of attention it receives for the media or virtue signalling politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Here is the video i watched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ
Your know where a man wears make up and unicorn wings with a little mini skirt on and try's to walk like a woman wearing high heels and ripped tights, that kind of trans costume. It is a costume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Many examples here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ
OK so you're a transphobe. Understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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"Virtue signalling" used as a negative context.....Sort of gives away your opinions without any other comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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Does it really? Can you please tell me in what situation you can use virtue signalling in a positive context?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
So cross dreasing then. Not anything to do with transgender.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Yeah but the chances are that he dislikes both of these groups!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
No i think you will find that trans people do not consider themselves as cross dressers and most would find it very insulting to be called that! Are you sure its not you who holds the ignorant views when thinking of the trans movement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
The ignorance is strong with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
No, from the posts that you have been putting up here I would suggest you are the ignorant and intolerant oneQuote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Not at all, mines are based on who is attending the anti trump protests.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I have no beef with trans people but i think they get fair too much coverage in the media and politicians. That's not being intolerant.
Are you saying that trans people have no reason to be at the protests?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
And how much coverage would be appropriate?
OK I'm confused. I asked you what a trans costume was. You replied: "Your know where a man wears make up and unicorn wings with a little mini skirt on and try's to walk like a woman wearing high heels and ripped tights, that kind of trans costume. It is a costume"Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
So I ask again, what is a trans costume, with you having so effectively argued against your own point in the reply quoted above.
It's your implication that these politicians don't have genuine virtue...and your offence at support for some minorities that strikes the negative context for meQuote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Are you doing a Cathy Newman impression? No I did not say that, i merely pointed out that they make up a fair number of the anti trump protestors, along with communists and middle class virtue signalling protestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The way the media paints the picture is that these people represent the views of the nation and they do not and they are far from it IMO.
No i think your jumping the gun. I didnt say trans people should not get support, i said the level of attention from politicians and the media is too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Why does it bother you? Ps not jumping the gun..you are implying "faux- virtue" from some...Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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A trans costume would be something is not normal daily clothing. It exaggerates certain features or have a certain theme, usually very sexualized with over the top make up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
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Originally Posted by HomeTeam
I think you misunderstood my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
What would be an appropriate level of attention for trans men and women, and their rights?
Id say when it gets to the point where children are having sex changes before they are allowed to grow up and also giving children drugs that stop puberty so they can 'make their mind up' about whether or not they are trans is a sign that the trans movement / agenda is getting too much sway with politician's.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
You clearly do not have the first scooby what you're on about. If you're going to troll, at least be consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
I have described a costume. I'm not sure what else you are looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Care to give an example of where these specific points have held sway with a politician?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
You described an outfit worn by someone of any gender or sexuality taking part in Pride, perhaps clubbing, or on a protest march like this. It's hardly a "trans costume".Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
The transgender people I know wear the type of clothing that you or I would wear.
Just so you know. :wink:
Can I ask a silly question?
Does the term "trans" refer to transsexual (ie someone who has had a sex change operation) or transvestite (as I understand it a man who dresses as a woman, without having had any form of surgery to change their gender)?
These days, it refers to one who is a different gender from that with which they were born. Transgender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
"Transvestite" has been replaced by "cross-dressing", to avoid the confusion you mention.
Now commonly taken to refer transgender (either post or pre-op), and specifically concerned with an individuals gender identification. Transvestite isn't really used nowadays - cross dressing or drag more commonly describes wearing clothes associated with the opposite gender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Thank you both for the clarification.
I wonder if this fairly easily made mistake is to blame for some of what we see higher up this page?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime_dameQuote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
That's 2 mentions tonight for Stanley Baxter [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
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I'm no fan of Donald Trump but if we can welcome the leaders of countries such as China and Saudi Arabia to the UK, who are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet, and on a scale that is far worse than anything that Donald Trump has ever done, then I'm sure I'll cope with the President of the USA being in the country for a few days.
Where were all the mass protests when we had the visit from Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudi Arabia earlier this year or when President Xi Jinping of China came over in 2015? The governments of both of these countries allow atrocities to be committed against their own people on a daily basis and yet I don't remember their presence in the UK causing such controversy.
Some people really need to get a grip.
The extension of that thought is that everything should be protested in equal measure, or not at all. With Trump, who is actively destabilising the US internally and the world as a whole, the visibility of his behaviour and the direct impact it could have is, frankly, more in-your-face than the undoubted atrocities committed by Saudi Arabia and China. However, global politics and pubic opinion vary to a large extent according to who is in the White House. Trump's approach to the world is therefore hugely worthy of protest. The old quote from Edmund Burke of "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" is the reason why protest is necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
There were a wide range of protests when Chinese leader came to town...but to get your point straight..because not everyone who deserves a protest, got a protest...people need to get a grip, for protesting against Trump...that is your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
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Where was the widespread media coverage?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
They weren’t interested as it didn’t suit their agenda
Why would people have voted for someone who actively planned to destabilise their country? Have you ever questioned why people in the US voted for him, why do you think he has become the most powerful man in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Trump's been in power for a while now and I don't notice any difference to my day to day life, have you?
The anti Chinese protests were well covered in the media...so I understand your point - are you suggesting Trump is a victim of a media agenda?Quote:
Originally Posted by HelmutSchlong
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Yes but did they have a blimp, it was clearly never a serious protest as there was no blimp.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
To choose just one of his objectionable standpoints, the impact of having a climate change denier in the White House is unlikely to be felt immediately, but may well be felt in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Wow there are some get ups (costumes/cross dressing/whatever) in that crowd! [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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Originally Posted by johnbc70
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No, they clearly voted for someone who they thought would improve their lot and that of their country. That doesn't make them right. If you give desperate, disenfranchised people an easy answer, and an easy focus for their woes, then more in depth discussions don't get the light of day. The fact is that despite the rhetoric, Trumps much lauded tax cuts benefited the top 1%, not the masses. Wages have actually fallen under Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Has Trump directed affected me? Yes, almost certainly, and as tariffs hit home absolutely certainly. The almost comes from the raft of legislative and policy changes relating to climate. Withdrawal from the Paris Accord changes the world, as well as many actions domestically. This will increase greenhouse gases, and accelerate climate change. On a much more personal basis, I have a daughter in the USA at University, so yes, his legislation impacts my family.