Jake Doyle-Hayes

[Tyler Durden]

Yes.

With one or two others as well I believe.

You believe. Clearly all your information is 100% accurate and other people are the ones guilty of posting “poor information”.

[andrew70]

You believe. Clearly all your information is 100% accurate and other people are the ones guilty of posting “poor information”.

I certainly trust what I’ve been told. Couldn’t be much closer to the horses mouth yes. Anyway I hope he gets what he deserves.

Between Youan, JDH and others this place is brutal. Hopefully these guys never read the nonsense spouted about them on here.

Zero respect for anyone’s mental health that’s for sure.

[green day]

I certainly trust what I’ve been told. Couldn’t be much closer to the horses mouth yes. Anyway I hope he gets what he deserves.

Between Youan, JDH and others this place is brutal. Hopefully these guys never read the nonsense spouted about them on here.

Zero respect for anyone’s mental health that’s for sure.

Not having a go at you, but you have posted a few times that what others have said on this thread is wrong - that being the case, perhaps enlighten us as to what has, allegedly happened?

Also, when you say your info "couldnt be closer to the horses mouth" does that mean someone at Hibs, or JDH, or someone on his legal team? Because the answer to that question also has implications for what you were told.

Cheers

[andrew70]

Not having a go at you, but you have posted a few times that what others have said on this thread is wrong - that being the case, perhaps enlighten us as to what has, allegedly happened?

Also, when you say your info "couldnt be closer to the horses mouth" does that mean someone at Hibs, or JDH, or someone on his legal team? Because the answer to that question also has implications for what you were told.

Cheers

It will all come out in the wash.

Hibs were a complete shambles hence major changes since, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise there were a lot of issues caused by the way players/personnel were treated.

I definitely don’t know anyone legal but players have people who look after them outside of legalities. He deserves all the support he needs/gets.

The PFA are very good at what they do when required.

[Brightside]

That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.

Spot on. The clean out has been first class.

[Brightside]

Could be an interesting precedent set by this case.

Every time a player is injured then there would be grounds to sue the player responsible

- the injured player could sue for lost appearance money or bonuses whilst out
- clubs would sue for the wages they're paying to someone who is unavailable or, if the club is insured, their insurers would sue to cover their pay out
- clubs could sue for lost earnings because the unavailable player could have helped them progress in the cup or finish higher up the league

All with the same validity that Doyle-Hayes has for claiming he has lost out.

Not at all. The case is all around the working practices of the manager at the time. It’s not just the tackle.

[Pretty Boy]

It will all come out in the wash.

Hibs were a complete shambles hence major changes since, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise there were a lot of issues caused by the way players/personnel were treated.

I definitely don’t know anyone legal but players have people who look after them outside of legalities. He deserves all the support he needs/gets.

The PFA are very good at what they do when required.

It is quite interesting that plenty people were all too happy to lay into Johnson and others at the club, often deservedly so, at the time, but now an actual employee during that period has raised a grievance it's 'aye **** off mate, Hibs have done nowt wrong'.

As I said about 5 pages ago it's a legacy issue rather than reflective of the club now. Hibs obviously felt there were issues as plenty people were shipped out in recent times.

[green day]

It will all come out in the wash.

Hibs were a complete shambles hence major changes since, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise there were a lot of issues caused by the way players/personnel were treated.

I definitely don’t know anyone legal but players have people who look after them outside of legalities. He deserves all the support he needs/gets.

The PFA are very good at what they do when required.

I am not a rocket scientist, nor am I (or most people on this board) close to agents etc who can tell us about the practices at the club.

Its difficult to know if you are suggesting that JDH was treated poorly, or if there was a culture of bullying at East Mains.

The board is great for many things, but if people are not clear about things, it allows rumour and speculation to grow.

As you say, it will all emerge in the wash.

[Brightside]

I am not a rocket scientist, nor am I (or most people on this board) close to agents etc who can tell us about the practices at the club.

Its difficult to know if you are suggesting that JDH was treated poorly, or if there was a culture of bullying at East Mains.

The board is great for many things, but if people are not clear about things, it allows rumour and speculation to grow.

As you say, it will all emerge in the wash.

Both

[matty_f]

I would assume there will be many cases when lawyers accept a case when they think the chances are significantly less than 50/50. This one they will be banking on Hibs not wanting to go to court and negotiating a compromise
What’s that assumption based on?
Reputable ones generally won’t without good cause, I’m told.

[green day]

Both

In that case, that reflects poorly on those Hibs employees involved at the time. Hopefully all now binned.

Also, if JDH wins, we could be on the hook for more payouts..............

[Brightside]

In that case, that reflects poorly on those Hibs employees involved at the time. Hopefully all now binned.

Also, if JDH wins, we could be on the hook for more payouts..............

As others have pointed out there was many examples around that time.

[matty_f]

Not at all. The case is all around the working practices of the manager at the time. It’s not just the tackle.

“These injuries should never have happened and were incurred due to incompetent and incoherent decisions made by his manager. Jake’s career has been derailed by mismanagement and ineptitude.

“A career has been lost to this athlete. We will get him compensation.”

I think you’re stretching to take it to general working practices, the article in the EEN that this quote is taken to says the case is around decisions relating to the tackle and injury, not wider incompetence.

[Wilson]

It is quite interesting that plenty people were all too happy to lay into Johnson and others at the club, often deservedly so, at the time, but now an actual employee during that period has raised a grievance it's 'aye **** off mate, Hibs have done nowt wrong'.

As I said about 5 pages ago it's a legacy issue rather than reflective of the club now. Hibs obviously felt there were issues as plenty people were shipped out in recent times.

Weren’t people's issues with Lee mainly down to poor results and that he talked a lot of *****?

It's a stretch to imagine that the lay person is going to jump from that to denigrating everyone and everything behind the scenes, on one useless player's say-so.

[Brightside]

“These injuries should never have happened and were incurred due to incompetent and incoherent decisions made by his manager. Jake’s career has been derailed by mismanagement and ineptitude.

“A career has been lost to this athlete. We will get him compensation.”

I think you’re stretching to take it to general working practices, the article in the EEN that this quote is taken to says the case is around decisions relating to the tackle and injury, not wider incompetence.

They aren’t just talking about the tackle tho Matty. That’s just an example of the mismanagement.

[Eyrie]

That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.

Why would Hibs stand in the way of a player leaving who wasn't getting a game because he had too few games where he was good enough?

[matty_f]

They aren’t just talking about the tackle tho Matty. That’s just an example of the mismanagement.

Where are you getting that from?

[Springbank]

Why would Hibs stand in the way of a player leaving who wasn't getting a game because he had too few games where he was good enough?

With his playing performances since 2021 (poor) and his taking a club to court antics (red flag) I don't see there being any queue of clubs wanting to sign Jake Doyle Hayes, and the culprit is one man, who goes by the name of Jake Doyle Hayes.

Career over, and it's all his own fault (with special mention to those advising him badly)

[CentreLine]

I am just glad Hibs are not coming out fighting, with press releases and denials like we see elsewhere. It feels like there is a dignified, quiet, approach to just let this run its course and trust the judicial system.

Also fair for it to be open season for conjecture on here. After all, there’s no football to talk about and we need something to keep us interested until signings start to happen and the draw comes through for Europa league qualifying.

If there is no case to answer then I hope JDH gets nothing. If there is, I hope Hibs acknowledge it, pay suitable competition and move on.

[andrew70]

Why would Hibs stand in the way of a player leaving who wasn't getting a game because he had too few games where he was good enough?

Your guess is as good as mine. A couple of times JDH had very good offers and wanted to leave, only due to issues with staff I must say.

He has never spoke badly about the club as a whole but personnel especially were ignoring the human element to him and a few others.

Thankfully the dirt has been washed out this is merely the residue that deserves better treatment.

[Brightside]

Where are you getting that from?

I cannot divulge my sources Matty.

[Brightside]

With his playing performances since 2021 (poor) and his taking a club to court antics (red flag) I don't see there being any queue of clubs wanting to sign Jake Doyle Hayes, and the culprit is one man, who goes by the name of Jake Doyle Hayes.

Career over, and it's all his own fault (with special mention to those advising him badly)
He’s got a club.

[McD]

That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.


could you elaborate on this point please? As far as I knew, Hibs accepted an offer, which would imply they were happy/prepared for JDH to leave?





As others have pointed out there was many examples around that time.


Could you also elaborate on this? I don’t remember anything, albeit I’m far from itk.


Thanks both

[Tyler Durden]

I certainly trust what I’ve been told. Couldn’t be much closer to the horses mouth yes. Anyway I hope he gets what he deserves.

Between Youan, JDH and others this place is brutal. Hopefully these guys never read the nonsense spouted about them on here.

Zero respect for anyone’s mental health that’s for sure.

What exactly is it that you think he deserves? A year's salary? £1m?

[Tyler Durden]

“These injuries should never have happened and were incurred due to incompetent and incoherent decisions made by his manager. Jake’s career has been derailed by mismanagement and ineptitude.

“A career has been lost to this athlete. We will get him compensation.”

I think you’re stretching to take it to general working practices, the article in the EEN that this quote is taken to says the case is around decisions relating to the tackle and injury, not wider incompetence.

If JDH was subject to bullying or mistreatment he would have had disciplinary options available to him at the time.

Can't wait to see how he claims his career has been lost due to this mismanagement. Embarassing affair for him.

[Tyler Durden]

Your guess is as good as mine. A couple of times JDH had very good offers and wanted to leave, only due to issues with staff I must say.

He has never spoke badly about the club as a whole but personnel especially were ignoring the human element to him and a few others.

Thankfully the dirt has been washed out this is merely the residue that deserves better treatment.

He was under contract to Hibs. If we didn't want him to leave, it's really a non issue.

Not that anyone else is going to believe that he had very good offers and Hibs blocked this, to be fair. Strange that these lucrative offers weren't available this year, when he became a free agent.

[andrew70]

What exactly is it that you think he deserves? A year's salary? £1m?

That’s not for me to decide but as I say well paying options for him were blocked. He’s entitled to look for what he wants.

It is far from embarrassing, for him anyway.

[Tyler Durden]

That’s not for me to decide but as I say well paying options for him were blocked. He’s entitled to look for what he wants.

It is far from embarrassing, for him anyway.

Nothing untoward there from any employer though, is it? He's under contract, that only changes with the agreement of both parties.

[Centre Hawf]

Your guess is as good as mine. A couple of times JDH had very good offers and wanted to leave, only due to issues with staff I must say.

He has never spoke badly about the club as a whole but personnel especially were ignoring the human element to him and a few others.

Thankfully the dirt has been washed out this is merely the residue that deserves better treatment.

I know from someone that he had an offer to go to Italy about 2.5 years ago and he chose not to go. Same with the Forest Green offer. Hibs weren’t standing in his way to leave, although it may have been required to have suited them as well which we’re well within our right when he’s under contract.

[andrew70]

I know from someone that he had an offer to go to Italy about 2.5 years ago and he chose not to go. Same with the Forest Green offer. Hibs weren’t standing in his way to leave, although it may have been required to have suited them as well which we’re well within our right when he’s under contract.

Yeah that’s the two, thereafter Hibs let him down spectacularly.

He certainly never “chose not to go”

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah that’s the two, thereafter Hibs let him down spectacularly.

He certainly never “chose not to go”

He was under contract so if Hibs didn’t want to let him go somewhere then so be it. He signed the contract in the first place.

It makes little sense to me as to why Hibs would want to block a player contributing next to nothing from leaving though.

[J-C]

There's been talk of certain players causing dressing room unrest, could it well be that JDH and possibly Youan are 2 of those said players and we were happy for them to go. Youan got injured so that transfer fell through and JDH knocked back 2, both players then struggle for game time as it's clear they're unwanted, this scenario is very common in football. Is he using the injury as an excuse because he feels hard done by?

[andrew70]

He was under contract so if Hibs didn’t want to let him go somewhere then so be it. He signed the contract in the first place.

It makes little sense to me as to why Hibs would want to block a player contributing next to nothing from leaving though.

You’d need to ask the higher management that but it happened.

He did the sign the contract and was very happy at the club. He couldn’t foresee what happened. It’s absolutely no surprise that Hibs have acted accordingly to get their ducks in order since.

[andrew70]

There's been talk of certain players causing dressing room unrest, could it well be that JDH and possibly Youan are 2 of those said players and we were happy for them to go. Youan got injured so that transfer fell through and JDH knocked back 2, both players then struggle for game time as it's clear they're unwanted, this scenario is very common in football. Is he using the injury as an excuse because he feels hard done by?

My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

[green day]

If JDH has an issue with bullying or poor treatment, and its backed up and evidenced then he certainly has a case - if so, I hope he wins this.

However, it seems that some people are suggesting that the player has been "held back" and not allowed to go and sign for whoever they want - while under contract.

Regardless of how good or bad a player he was, its tin foil hat stuff for him or his advisers to include "not being allowed to leave Hibs" while under contract to Hibs as part of this.

If that was the case, then the corollary is that football clubs can just stop paying injured players - which is equally as ludicrous a suggestion.

[BoomtownHibees]

You’d need to ask the higher management that but it happened.

He did the sign the contract and was very happy at the club. He couldn’t foresee what happened. It’s absolutely no surprise that Hibs have acted accordingly to get their ducks in order since.

So he was very happy at the club, the club didn’t let him go (which they’re entitled to), and now he’s taking the club to court due to mistreatment?

Doesn’t make much sense

[BoomtownHibees]

My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

Derby comeback and never to be seen again

[Tyler Durden]

My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

You posting that JDH was very unfairly treated, without any substance is not really any better than wild speculation about him being a trouble maker. Is it?

[superfurryhibby]

You’d need to ask the higher management that but it happened.

He did the sign the contract and was very happy at the club. He couldn’t foresee what happened. It’s absolutely no surprise that Hibs have acted accordingly to get their ducks in order since.

Sorry, but I don't believe this is the case. There's no logic behind Hibs standing in the way of an unwanted player moving on.

You also allude to Youan being treated poorly by the club. My only thoughts on that are that the club declined a transfer fee that didn't match their valuation of the player. Tough luck on that one for Youan. If he had been smarter , there would have been a release trigger in his contract.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So he was very happy at the club, the club didn’t let him go (which they’re entitled to), and now he’s taking the club to court due to mistreatment?

Doesn’t make much sense
It doesn’t make sense because it’s not true.

Hibs were happy to let him go to FGR. JDH didn’t want to go. It’s that simple.

[matty_f]

If JDH was subject to bullying or mistreatment he would have had disciplinary options available to him at the time.

Can't wait to see how he claims his career has been lost due to this mismanagement. Embarassing affair for him.

I don’t know if that’s in the allegations and other than what’s been reported I don’t know any detail of the case - as far as I know there’s very little in the public domain about it and I would imagine when there’s a legal case involved that both sides will be trying to maintain as much confidentiality as possible.

I don’t really have a side on this one, I want to see people treated fairly by the club and people treat the club fairly, Hibs will (i presume) have insurance for this sort of scenario and so the impact on the club won’t be massive regardless.

[J-C]

My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

You see us normal punter on here who don't have this so called in the know info we have just got assumptions and heresay to go on, we are told there's a very good team spirit at the club now which wasn't there previously. You keep mentioning JDH being unfairly treated by the club but never mention what that unfair treatment was and was it by the club or an official at the club (ex manager).

So until we get any more details from either you, the club or JDH, we'll all still speculate as to what it's all about.

[Brightside]

You see us normal punter on here who don't have this so called in the know info we have just got assumptions and heresay to go on, we are told there's a very good team spirit at the club now which wasn't there previously. You keep mentioning JDH being unfairly treated by the club but never mention what that unfair treatment was and was it by the club or an official at the club (ex manager).

So until we get any more details from either you, the club or JDH, we'll all still speculate as to what it's all about.

Assuming JDH was a bad apple tho is done without any foundation at all.

[Speedy]

Agreeing to it doesn't necessarily mean he was paid off.

He could have said to Hibs that Sligo were interested but couldn't afford a fee so Hibs agreed to release him from his contract so he could sign for them, get a bit security going forward and play again. An old fashioned free transfer if you like.

Similar happened when we signed Darren McGregor. Rangers wanted him to go to Dundee or St Johnstone, he said no, they asked where he wanted to go, he said Hibs, they said we can't sell you to Hibs right now so he agreed to be released from his contract and signed for Hibs as a free agent a couple of days later. I doubt Rangers paid up his contract in such a scenario.

Of course as you say JDH would have had to agree to all that but that doesn't seem to be his case. It's that without the injury his earning potential was higher than Sligo Rovers.

Interesting on the McGregor stuff. Why couldn't rangers sell to us?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Interesting on the McGregor stuff. Why couldn't rangers sell to us?

Cos we were in the same league as them so direct rivals and had just stopped Scott Allan moving there.


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[J-C]

Assuming JDH was a bad apple tho is done without any foundation at all.

I'm just trying to work out what any mis treatment of him was and why, we were told he was free from injury for a while but was no where near the 1st team, why? Because there's no details about any mistreatment, we will all speculate, it's only natural on a fans website. I was told under Johnson that the dressing room atmosphere was pretty bad, Gray and the players have went a long way to sort that out and as we seen at the start of the season, certain players were shipped out either on loan or permanently, JDH being one of them in January.

[Unseen work]

How was JDH unfairly treated? Because we wouldn’t sell him?

[Pretty Boy]

Interesting on the McGregor stuff. Why couldn't rangers sell to us?

It was on the back of the whole Scott Allan saga and there was a bit of bad blood between the clubs and fans.

That came from Daz himself. If anyone can remember the short lived .net podcast he told the story on there and I'm sure elsewhere in the press as well so it's definitely in the public domain.

[J-C]

How was JDH unfairly treated? Because we wouldn’t sell him?

Seemingly but then we allowed him to leave for free in January.

[Brightside]

I’m going to bow out of this also. I’m sure the club will do the right thing. We are in a much better place now.

[Since90+2]

Is this the first time a player has ever taken a club to court over an injury? I know McGinn had something with St Mirren but that was because he has a corner flag launched at him, so they're not really comparable.

[Centre Hawf]

It was on the back of the whole Scott Allan saga and there was a bit of bad blood between the clubs and fans.

That came from Daz himself. If anyone can remember the short lived .net podcast he told the story on there and I'm sure elsewhere in the press as well so it's definitely in the public domain.

He was meant to go to St Johnstone so Rangers released him to go then signed for us instead. Rangers caught wind and tried to reverse his release but obviously couldn’t. Fantastic move by Daz.

[lucky]

JDH taking a case to court and winning are two separate things. Lodging the case means nothing other than pressure on Hibs or Hibs insurance company to settle.
JDH has nothing to lose as the PFA will have a deal with Thompsons.
A sheriff will decide if LJ and or Hibs have been negligent but I would not give much thought to the emotive language used by Thompsons in their press release. At this stage, it's just an attempt to get a settlement

[JimBHibees]

What’s that assumption based on?
Reputable ones generally won’t without good cause, I’m told.

That they won’t all be reputable

[aberhibsfc]

I thought clubs insured players regards injuries. Something doesn't seem right here, in addition to the gift that keeps on taking, Lee Johnson.

[blackpoolhibs]

JDH managed to get himself fit enough to play against Villa, a team levels above us, surely he put himself in serious danger by playing against a team much better than us with a dodgy leg? :confused:

[superbam]

Have heard first hand how this was handled at the time, which put shame on us. Thankfully i think all the folks culpable are long gone now. Still we should be accountable

[cabbageandribs1875]

Starts tonight for Sligo


and gave away the penalty which st pats scored from

[wee hay]

In fairness to Jake Doyle Hayes there will be bonuses he’s missed on due to the injury so it completely depends on his contract and how much these bonuses were like appearances, goals, win bonus whilst playing there are so many factors contractually that could impact the amount he’s due and plus he was on a long term deal. I genuinely think he’s gonna win this case or settle for an amount that Jake Doyle Hayes is happy with. He was the playing prior to the injury & clearly it effected the factors above.

[Baader]

In fairness to Jake Doyle Hayes there will be bonuses he’s missed on due to the injury so it completely depends on his contract and how much these bonuses were like appearances, goals, win bonus whilst playing there are so many factors contractually that could impact the amount he’s due and plus he was on a long term deal. I genuinely think he’s gonna win this case or settle for an amount that Jake Doyle Hayes is happy with. He was the playing prior to the injury & clearly it effected the factors above.

Dont think we'd have to concern ourselves with a goals bonus too much...! Unless his mates had a trip planned.

In all seriousness though, it's too early to predict any potential court verdict if it does even get that far. No case has yet been presented by either side. His legal team will still have a lot to prove.

[Phil MaGlass]

Is this the first time a player has ever taken a club to court over an injury? I know McGinn had something with St Mirren but that was because he has a corner flag launched at him, so they're not really comparable.
Durrant and Cooper, almost comparable.

[eastmainsmsh]

Muscat got sued by Charlton player

[NAE NOOKIE]

JDH taking a case to court and winning are two separate things. Lodging the case means nothing other than pressure on Hibs or Hibs insurance company to settle.
JDH has nothing to lose as the PFA will have a deal with Thompsons.
A sheriff will decide if LJ and or Hibs have been negligent but I would not give much thought to the emotive language used by Thompsons in their press release. At this stage, it's just an attempt to get a settlement

They are talking about loss of earnings. As Hibs paid him as per his contract that can only be possible appearance bonuses if ( if ) he was picked for the first team.
Then you have the 'what if' he had been picked up by a 'bigger club' with more money. That's pure conjecture surely, especially when you consider the only offer Hibs ever got from him was from Forest Green Rovers, a club who probably weren't paying any more than us at the time. What club may, or may not, have come in for him if he hadn't been injured is utter guesswork, his performances for us when he did play were unlikely to get the attention of Salford City or Doncaster Rovers, never mind Celtic or Man United.

Hibs lawyer could do worse than produce threads from here and the bounce from the games he did play. I'm betting there weren't many comments comparing him to Messi or Ronaldo.

As for LJ's 'incompetence' and 'incoherence' : Like it or not he had managed several clubs at a decent level before joining us, and you can hardly point to the fact most of them sacked him as proof of his inability to do the job, managers who haven't been sacked at least once are as rare as hens teeth, including many with a far better pedigree than LJ.
IMO JDH would need other Hibs players or coaches to testify that LJ's way of working differed so markedly from other coaches / managers they had worked with that it is reasonable to say his methods put the players at a significantly higher risk of injury than most, if not all, of the coaches and managers they had worked with before and after LJ.

This isn't about unrealised talent / ability. This is about being physically able to play professional football and JDH currently plays in a full time professional league where in order to get insurance you no doubt have to prove that you are physically up to the stresses and strains that full time football puts on your body.
The fact is he can still play full time professional football and get insurance to do it........... to lay the fact it isn't in La Liga or the EPL at Hibs or LJ's door and asking us to pay for that sounds like utter bollox to me.

[Dmas]

Have heard first hand how this was handled at the time, which put shame on us. Thankfully i think all the folks culpable are long gone now. Still we should be accountable

Hate this rubbish, why not just say how it was handled then? Big bad hibs at it again, the guy was under contract and would have been paid in accordance with that contract, you can’t expect performance related bonuses if you aren’t contributing due to injury or suspension, players get injured in training all the time just cause it so happened to be a challenge with the manager doesn’t mean a thing.

69 games he managed in 4 seasons, 40 of those where in his first year we should be suing him

[Wilson]

and gave away the penalty which st pats scored from

His team mates should sue him for loss of a potential win bonus.