Big Marv criticises Youhan

[Donegal Hibby]

What his goal is? He was on a panel at the game and is paid for his comments and analysis. As a Hibs fan, like many of us, he felt that Youan was again being a clown and he said so. It reflects the view of many Hibs fans.

Youan thinks it's ok to post clips or brag about getting a MOTM award when you've been pumped by your rivals or sit bottom of the league. Most pros and fans think that's embarrassing patter.

There was many things in the game to discuss and criticise including the stupidity of a senior player letting his teammates , fans down . A player juggling a ball which was probably an attempt to keep warm while a VAR review was on going which can take quite some time on occasions…

I’ve have no issues with what Elie was doing and for someone like Bartley to get on his high horse about it after the unsavoury incidents he was involved in then I think he should keep his mouth shut personally…

Problem with being where we are at the minute is there’s folk like Boyd and Stewart regularly trying to kick our club at every opportunity.. Marvin Bartleys just jumped on that bandwagon over absolutely nothing… really is quite embarrassing.

[The Modfather]

Really disappointed in Bartleys comments .. to be calling out Youan juggling a ball while a VAR review is going which was probably the player trying to keep warm after what he was up to is a joke ! …

Don’t know what Bartleys goal is … probably an ego thing as a failed manager he’s just trying to draw attention to himself. His comments are unhelpful , unwarranted and embarrassing. Hopefully he shuts up now .

Is juggling a ball doing flicks and tricks a common way players keep warm? Can’t say I’ve ever seen anyone else so do it despite lengthy VAR delays in nearly every game for every team.

I think you’re going way overboard. Bartley commented on what he saw, which was part of a wider point he had talked about pre game. The twitter “spat” just makes both Ellie & Marvin look childish and like they have fragile ego’s. “Failed manager”, “unhelpful”, “unwarranted” & “embarrassing”. The whole thing, from all sides is mountain out of a molehill territory.

[Donegal Hibby]

Is juggling a ball doing flicks and tricks a common way players keep warm? Can’t say I’ve ever seen anyone else so do it despite lengthy VAR delays in nearly every game for every team.

I think you’re going way overboard. Bartley commented on what he saw, which was part of a wider point he had talked about pre game. The twitter “spat” just makes both Ellie & Marvin look childish and like they have fragile ego’s. “Failed manager”, “unhelpful”, “unwarranted” & “embarrassing”. The whole thing, from all sides is mountain out of a molehill territory.

It would probably keep you warmer on a cold night than standing still in fairness ..

I agree totally that it is a mountain out of a molehill territory though that was created by Bartley .. personally if I was in Youan’s position after all the abuse the guys taken I’d have came back at Bartley too .

Stewart’s been blowing quite a bit about how good hertz are and how he can see an identity at his club now while having a go at us regularly ( not much difference is there ?) Boyd’s the same . All Bartley has done here is pander to what the wedgie media would like him to say in order to try and get himself in their good books .

We are talking about an ex player here that said he had concerns for players mental health.. obviously the coin he’s receiving seems more important now .

There’s a lot of S*** stirring in the media aimed at us a the minute and as someone that really liked Bartley I’ve lost a lot of respect for him over this as I don’t think it’s helpful in anyway.

Players keeping warm/ warming up by juggling the ball which might keep young fans entertained I have no issues with ..

https://youtu.be/RU2J4057cZw?si=6vgtIa2GBr8HBDUs

[Since452]

Michael Stewart is one I agree with regarding Hibs. He's been heavily critical ever since we sacked Jack Ross and for me he's bang on the money. I don't believe there's any kind of witch hunt or agenda againt us. We're getting the criticism we deserve.

[hibsbollah]

Is juggling a ball doing flicks and tricks a common way players keep warm?

Yes. Was watching my boys team train last night and if you have a ball at your feet, the plays stopped, and its freezing, thats the first thing you do.

[JimBHibees]

Not been Youans biggest fan for a while (check previous posts) but I’m finding Bartley’s and other pundits and fellow professionals (SJM included) continuous witch hunting over a couple of keep ups during a break in play very weird and quite frankly, disgusting.

Particularly from Bartley who often in the past has advocated for footballers mental health. They seem to think because Hibs are playing bad that it’s open season on Youan to attack him as they see fit.

Agree with it is a ridiculously personal attack as is Stewart’s.

[CapitalGreen]

Is juggling a ball doing flicks and tricks a common way players keep warm?

It was good enough for Maradona.

[JimBHibees]

Michael Stewart is one I agree with regarding Hibs. He's been heavily critical ever since we sacked Jack Ross and for me he's bang on the money. I don't believe there's any kind of witch hunt or agenda againt us. We're getting the criticism we deserve.

His critique of Youan was ridiculous on Saturday not just keepie uppie he was somehow trying to blame him for the first goal as well. Bizarre

[Northernhibee]

It’s good that Élie is channeling the criticism from Marv to improve his game but Marv does also have a point. Let’s wait until we’re out of the relegation places before we start shouting about things.

[JimBHibees]

It was good enough for Maradona.

It’s good that we have a player confident enough to show off his skills. His run and shot where he skinned Shinnie on Tuesday was fantastic.

[Dashing Bob S]

It’s good that we have a player confident enough to show off his skills. His run and shot where he skinned Shinnie on Tuesday was fantastic.

One of the few players in Scotland i'd pay to see alone. Yes, he can frustrate but if he was more consistent he wouldn't be playing in this league.

[Jones28]

It’s good that we have a player confident enough to show off his skills. His run and shot where he skinned Shinnie on Tuesday was fantastic.

It was fantastic, the wee shimmy before he shot was class.

[HarpOnHibee]

He was MOTM on Tuesday, did any of these public critics mention how well he played?

Bartley only did so in response to Youans post on SM and it came across as a bit sarcastic imo.

If it made Elie feel better about himself then so what? If he’s fit a firing for the rest of the season and he wants to post about it then who cares?

I know he was given MOTM on tuesday. Although I personally believe the decision to give him this award was more down to the criticism he had been receiving leading up to the game. A bit of a GIRFUY to the critics you could say. I personally thought Bushri deserved MOTM. He was rock solid from start to finish and did what was required to rescue something from the game. In saying that, I think Youan played excellent as well. But I don't believe he's being utilized in the most effective way. That's not his fault, but down to the tactics being deployed. We have him making 50-60 yard dribbles taking on midfield players and side backs and although it's incredible to watch at times, you can see that he's ran out of steam by the time he makes it anywhere near the side of the box which is evident with the tired looking cut backs and crosses. Again, this isn't his fault. It's the way he is being used.

I think Youan has the potential to be a goal machine for us. But currently he can't be because we're asking him to do too much. I believe he would be far more effective playing in a central forward position with a holding player slotted in just behind him to provide the knock on. That way he can reserve his energy for taking on the central defenders directly, rather than trying to take the longer path around. If we can get him to skip past the central defence, that leaves him with the ball at his feet right in the heart of the opposition box, making him an absolute nightmare for opposition goalkeepers.

This is all just my opinion of course.

[hibsbollah]

I know he was given MOTM on tuesday. Although I personally believe the decision to give him this award was more down to the criticism he had been receiving leading up to the game. A bit of a GIRFUY to the critics you could say. I personally thought Bushri deserved MOTM. He was rock solid from start to finish and did what was required to rescue something from the game. In saying that, I think Youan played excellent as well. But I don't believe he's being utilized in the most effective way. That's not his fault, but down to the tactics being deployed. We have him making 50-60 yard dribbles taking on midfield players and side backs and although it's incredible to watch at times, you can see that he's ran out of steam by the time he makes it anywhere near the side of the box which is evident with the tired looking cut backs and crosses. Again, this isn't his fault. It's the way he is being used.

I think Youan has the potential to be a goal machine for us. But currently he can't be because we're asking him to do too much. I believe he would be far more effective playing in a central forward position with a holding player slotted in just behind him to provide the knock on. That way he can reserve his energy for taking on the central defenders directly, rather than trying to take the longer path around. If we can get him to skip past the central defence, that leaves him with the ball at his feet right in the heart of the opposition box, making him an absolute nightmare for opposition goalkeepers.

This is all just my opinion of course.

I think thats a good call about using him in the most effective areas of the pitch. What id like is to find someone who can put a metaphorical arm round his shoulders, make him feel at home here and while not let everything go through him, certainly get him the ball regularly where he can get isolated against a defender. But i suspect that time has passed and he’ll be gone in January.

[lyonhibs]

Marvin and Elie are simply young guys raised in the social media era. They both have an inflated ego caused by creaming over their selfie and highlights packages. If they were chocolate, they'd probably eat themselves.

One of my best mates is always in the gym, driving his Tesla or posting cheesy selfies with his missus in their designer gear. He's a handsome bar steward who loves himself as much as our two supposed adversaries.

Surely nobody takes young lads like these remotely seriously? 😅

Marvin Bartley is 38

[HarpOnHibee]

I think thats a good call about using him in the most effective areas of the pitch. What id like is to find someone who can put a metaphorical arm round his shoulders, make him feel at home here and while not let everything go through him, certainly get him the ball regularly where he can get isolated against a defender. But i suspect that time has passed and he’ll be gone in January.

It's a shame. Because for all of his capable skill and talent, he hasn't scored anywhere near the number of goals he could have had he been utilized in a more effective manner. I have no doubt that had he been signed up by another club in this league, they would have gotten far more out of him than we have.

[Smartie]

Michael Stewart is one I agree with regarding Hibs. He's been heavily critical ever since we sacked Jack Ross and for me he's bang on the money. I don't believe there's any kind of witch hunt or agenda againt us. We're getting the criticism we deserve.

I find that with Stewart and as a result I like him as a pundit - he slaughters us when we deserve it, as we largely have done lately and certainly did on Saturday.

He also praises us when we deserve it, which has unfortunately been all too seldom of late.

He’s definitely guilty of getting a bee in his bonnet on occasion and never, ever backs down. Right now that’s where he is with Elie and we could argue all day long about how justified or otherwise that is.

[hibsbollah]

I find that with Stewart and as a result I like him as a pundit - he slaughters us when we deserve it, as we largely have done lately and certainly did on Saturday.

He also praises us when we deserve it, which has unfortunately been all too seldom of late.

He’s definitely guilty of getting a bee in his bonnet on occasion and never, ever backs down. Right now that’s where he is with Elie and we could argue all day long about how justified or otherwise that is.

…the problem with Stewart and his bees, he cant talk coherently about anything else when his wee obsession is ongoing. Previously it was his feud with Levein, banging on about Miller and now Youan. It infects all his broadcasts no matter what the subject is.

[Donegal Hibby]

Problem I have with Stewart is he’s regularly criticising Hibs lately though in a recent European game they had at tiny doing commentary he had them playing like Real Madrid and his commentary was painful to listen too which is putting it mildly.. in a game they were beaten in and well beaten I might add after all his boasting…

He’s repeatedly banging on about this new identity they now have under Critchley and while criticising Youan I haven’t heard him giving Shankland anywhere near the same amount even though some of their fans are complaining he’s playing **** and has downed tools ! …

He really use to criticise them when Levein was their because it suited his agenda as he didn’t like Levein which was mutual.. Levein said he was always moaning and nothing was his fault , apparently according to Levein he paid a pound for him which he described as the worst pound he ever spent. I find a lot of his commentary bordering along the lines of Poundland stuff too .

[JimBHibees]

Problem I have with Stewart is he’s regularly criticising Hibs lately though in a recent European game they had at tiny doing commentary he had them playing like Real Madrid and his commentary was painful to listen too which is putting it mildly.. in a game they were beaten in and well beaten I might add after all his boasting…

He’s repeatedly banging on about this new identity they now have under Critchley and while criticising Youan I haven’t heard him giving Shankland anywhere near the same amount even though some of their fans are complaining he’s playing **** and has downed tools ! …

He really use to criticise them when Levein was their because it suited his agenda as he didn’t like Levein which was mutual.. Levein said he was always moaning and nothing was his fault , apparently according to Levein he paid a pound for him which he described as the worst pound he ever spent. I find a lot of his commentary bordering along the lines of Poundland stuff too .

Very good point as you said had Hearts as amazing until the Germans decided to bring on a couple of their regular players and tucked them away. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Marv is 100% correct in his reply

But I love Youan for posting that last night and think it’s funny.

We we we we we we we, never knew he supported as a lad, we we we we we when commentating on Livi games.

Marv knows his managerial career is over, he now needs to be controversial for his BBC masters or he gets dumped, he must have listened to Stewart’s commentary tonight and thought, hud the bus, you slated Hibs the other night but defend that crap tonight, but he will tell us MS got it spot on tonight and hertz are not in bother.

[silverhibee]

Bit rich of Bartley to accuse someone of unacceptable behaviour at Dens Park when he was caught on camera sticking his finger up a Dundee players bum.

:shocked:

[silverhibee]

You seem a bit jealous of your mate🤣

I’m his mate :dunno::thumbsup:

[tonyrougier123]

Youan is all about himself, that’s the point pundits and fans are making. Selfish player cares not one bit about the team or club more about personal achievement than winning for the team. That’s why this player will never earn the adulation of a support or become a club legend anywhere.

Marv went through brick walls for hibs time and again and was a superb character and representative of hibs whilst he pulled on the jersey, will still be fondly thought of long after youan is a distant memory.

Hope youan can prove me wrong but his actions time and again are more and more indicative that he doesn’t have the capacity to be anything other than a showster who puts self over club and team.

[SaulGoodman]

Youan is all about himself, that’s the point pundits and fans are making. Selfish player cares not one bit about the team or club more about personal achievement than winning for the team. That’s why this player will never earn the adulation of a support or become a club legend anywhere.

Marv went through brick walls for hibs time and again and was a superb character and representative of hibs whilst he pulled on the jersey, will still be fondly thought of long after youan is a distant memory.

Hope youan can prove me wrong but his actions time and again are more and more indicative that he doesn’t have the capacity to be anything other than a showster who puts self over club and team.

He certainly looked like he cared when Rocky scored on Tuesday. Didn’t look indicative of someone that only cares about himself.

[CapitalGreen]

He certainly looked like he cared when Rocky scored on Tuesday. Didn’t look indicative of someone that only cares about himself.

28308

Someone who only cares about themselves apparently.

[CapitalGreen]

Youan is all about himself, that’s the point pundits and fans are making. Selfish player cares not one bit about the team or club more about personal achievement than winning for the team. That’s why this player will never earn the adulation of a support or become a club legend anywhere.

Marv went through brick walls for hibs time and again and was a superb character and representative of hibs whilst he pulled on the jersey, will still be fondly thought of long after youan is a distant memory.

Hope youan can prove me wrong but his actions time and again are more and more indicative that he doesn’t have the capacity to be anything other than a showster who puts self over club and team.

He receives plenty adulation from a large number of supporters. The discourse on here isn’t representative of the support at matches - Youan got huge ovation from the East at the end of Tuesday match and he was reciprocating the show of appreciation to the fans.

[tonyrougier123]

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Someone who only cares about themselves apparently.

Aye case closed 😏. Many agree about his attitude. Have to be the coldest of hearts not to be happy for big Bushiri, who has the total opposite attitude.

[tonyrougier123]

He receives plenty adulation from a large number of supporters. The discourse on here isn’t representative of the support at matches - Youan got huge ovation from the East at the end of Tuesday match and he was reciprocating the show of appreciation to the fans.

Good to hear, still a long road to redemption imo. Would love him to kick on and prove me wrong.

[Tambo]

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Someone who only cares about themselves apparently.

I noticed that the YouTuber Goggsy was at the game and watched his vlog today, Youan celebrating with the fans in the west was pleasing to see.

[Heisenberg]

Compare and contrast the commentary from Stewart last night surrounding Shankland and his performances with how he went on about Youan against Dundee. Shankland has been a waste of space this season, clearly out of shape and looking like he couldn’t give a **** and wants out. Stewart though decided we should all “feel sorry for him” and his penalty miss was a wee shame.

**** off.

[JimBHibees]

Compare and contrast the commentary from Stewart last night surrounding Shankland and his performances with how he went on about Youan against Dundee. Shankland has been a waste of space this season, clearly out of shape and looking like he couldn’t give a **** and wants out. Stewart though decided we should all “feel sorry for him” and his penalty miss was a wee shame.

**** off.

Absolutely sickening double standards

[Donegal Hibby]

Michael Stewart is one I agree with regarding Hibs. He's been heavily critical ever since we sacked Jack Ross and for me he's bang on the money. I don't believe there's any kind of witch hunt or agenda againt us. We're getting the criticism we deserve.

That’s were the problem lies with Stewart though in he’s criticising one club and yet been praising the other for playing swashbuckling football and having a identity …

Highly critical of our players in Miller and Youan ..

And yet feels sorry for Shankland who’s probably playing worse than anyone.

He’s a jumbo and very much biased when giving his views on both clubs and their players…

[Since452]

That’s were the problem lies with Stewart though in he’s criticising one club and yet been praising the other for playing swashbuckling football and having a identity …

Highly critical of our players in Miller and Youan ..

And yet feels sorry for Shankland who’s probably playing worse than anyone.

He’s a jumbo and very much biased when giving his views on both clubs and their players…

I agree that's a bit odd

[Donegal Hibby]

I agree that's a bit odd

I don’t think there is anything odd about it all tbh I heard him last night referring to them as “ US “ which showed his colours , he’s one of them and has went totally OTT in he praise for them , cuts their players repeated slack when playing **** and yet can’t wait to have a go at us for anything he can no matter how trivial..

As a pundit he’s really poor as he can’t give a balanced and fair opinion .If Youan had played like Shankland last night and missed a penalty in the manner he did he would be ranting criticism at Youan rather than his “ I feel sorry for him” comment.

[Jones28]

I know he was given MOTM on tuesday. Although I personally believe the decision to give him this award was more down to the criticism he had been receiving leading up to the game. A bit of a GIRFUY to the critics you could say. I personally thought Bushri deserved MOTM. He was rock solid from start to finish and did what was required to rescue something from the game. In saying that, I think Youan played excellent as well. But I don't believe he's being utilized in the most effective way. That's not his fault, but down to the tactics being deployed. We have him making 50-60 yard dribbles taking on midfield players and side backs and although it's incredible to watch at times, you can see that he's ran out of steam by the time he makes it anywhere near the side of the box which is evident with the tired looking cut backs and crosses. Again, this isn't his fault. It's the way he is being used.

I think Youan has the potential to be a goal machine for us. But currently he can't be because we're asking him to do too much. I believe he would be far more effective playing in a central forward position with a holding player slotted in just behind him to provide the knock on. That way he can reserve his energy for taking on the central defenders directly, rather than trying to take the longer path around. If we can get him to skip past the central defence, that leaves him with the ball at his feet right in the heart of the opposition box, making him an absolute nightmare for opposition goalkeepers.

This is all just my opinion of course.

I don't think it was given because of the criticism he'd received, he was pivotal to the way we played and was back to his best.

Like you I think Rocky was MOTM, Cadden could have been as well.

Agree with everything else however.

[Centre Hawf]

I don't think it was given because of the criticism he'd received, he was pivotal to the way we played and was back to his best.

Like you I think Rocky was MOTM, Cadden could have been as well.

Agree with everything else however.

I can't remember if it was the case this time but usually the MOTM is announced around the 85-90 minute mark, which at that point Elie probably was the MOTM for us. I'd like to think that if it was decided after the game you'd probably have seen big Rocky given it.

[HibbyAndy]

I don’t think there is anything odd about it all tbh I heard him last night referring to them as “ US “ which showed his colours , he’s one of them and has went totally OTT in he praise for them , cuts their players repeated slack when playing **** and yet can’t wait to have a go at us for anything he can no matter how trivial..

As a pundit he’s really poor as he can’t give a balanced and fair opinion .If Youan had played like Shankland last night and missed a penalty in the manner he did he would be ranting criticism at Youan rather than his “ I feel sorry for him” comment.

:top marks:agree:

[hibsbollah]

That’s were the problem lies with Stewart though in he’s criticising one club and yet been praising the other for playing swashbuckling football and having a identity …

Highly critical of our players in Miller and Youan ..

And yet feels sorry for Shankland who’s probably playing worse than anyone.

He’s a jumbo and very much biased when giving his views on both clubs and their players…

Its not just Shanklands playing badly, hes been widely accused of a bad attitude and not caring by the fans, the EXACT criticism that hes levelling at Youan! But he feels sorry for Shankland? I wish someone else would call him out on the blatant double standards but they never do. It would make a great argument because the **** never backs down.

[Centre Hawf]

I don’t think there is anything odd about it all tbh I heard him last night referring to them as “ US “ which showed his colours , he’s one of them and has went totally OTT in he praise for them , cuts their players repeated slack when playing **** and yet can’t wait to have a go at us for anything he can no matter how trivial..

As a pundit he’s really poor as he can’t give a balanced and fair opinion .If Youan had played like Shankland last night and missed a penalty in the manner he did he would be ranting criticism at Youan rather than his “ I feel sorry for him” comment.

I was honestly starting to come round to Mikey Stewart at one point when he was calling out Hearts/Hibs/Aberdeen all on an equal footing. But it seems that the majority of his critiques for Hearts were reserved for when Craig Levein was involved (am I right in saying the two hate each other or something?). Now he's back to being a total wet wipe about us and his love in for Shankland is a disgrace.

It's nauseating listening to a lot of pundits in general up here. Proper old pal acts. Stevie Naismith and Robbie Neilson have obviously been about here long enough to make chums with guys like Stewart so the knife twisting isn't as severe for them when it's deserved. Even Naismith losing his job was treated like a sad day for all and I'm surprised the ****ers never got the day off to grieve. I can guarantee you if Dave Gray gets punted in the next 6 weeks it will be knives out and how he should never have been given the job and Hibs are a disgrace again.

[RIP]

Youan is all about himself, that’s the point pundits and fans are making. Selfish player cares not one bit about the team or club more about personal achievement than winning for the team. That’s why this player will never earn the adulation of a support or become a club legend anywhere.

Marv went through brick walls for hibs time and again and was a superb character and representative of hibs whilst he pulled on the jersey, will still be fondly thought of long after youan is a distant memory.

Hope youan can prove me wrong but his actions time and again are more and more indicative that he doesn’t have the capacity to be anything other than a showster who puts self over club and team.

Every time I read this kind of made up drivel about our Elie I want to demand evidence. He's a popular lad in the dressing room, appreciated by his Head Coach, trains like a beast, has recently fought his way back from injury and at long last has been started in a central attacking role rather than wasted as a wing back. Rather unsurprisingly he won MOM.

In case nobody has noticed, he wears extra layers during winter matches. Rather than shiver in a bitingly cold wind at Dens, he kept warm with the ball. Two has-been commentators suddenly mistake it for unprofessional conduct and call out Elie for it on live TV.

We should stand behind our players, not jump on the pundit bandwagon.

[BoomtownHibees]

Every time I read this kind of made up drivel about our Elie I want to demand evidence. He's a popular lad in the dressing room, appreciated by his Head Coach, trains like a beast, has recently fought his way back from injury and at long last has been started in a central attacking role rather than wasted as a wing back. Rather unsurprisingly he won MOM.

In case nobody has noticed, he wears extra layers during winter matches. Rather than shiver in a bitingly cold wind at Dens, he kept warm with the ball. Two has-been commentators suddenly mistake it for unprofessional conduct and call out Elie for it on live TV.

We should stand behind our players, not jump on the pundit bandwagon.

No matter what side of the fence you sit on with this argument, let’s no pretend that he was doing it to keep himself warm 😂