Derek White

[Bostonhibby]

Without wishing to trivialise a sorry episode 'lost a van' is some welcome comedy relief.Not on the same level but on a major birthday
"celebration" in Spain one of our party left his holdall in a bar, never did recover it but the only thing he lost that he was bothered about was a pair of vans[emoji16].

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[Bridge hibs]

When we were abroad on our training camp he parked a team bus/van in a disabled bay which ended up getting towed

Is what I remember reading/being told at the time

I was sure I read it on here thoughKensell found a replacement van, its parked safely at EM 28279

[Jones28]

When we were abroad on our training camp he parked a team bus/van in a disabled bay which ended up getting towed

Is what I remember reading/being told at the time

I was sure I read it on here though

😂😂 what a ****ing moron.

[Murphys Touch]

When we were abroad on our training camp he parked a team bus/van in a disabled bay which ended up getting towed

Is what I remember reading/being told at the time

I was sure I read it on here though

Aye that was it. My mate always thought it was outside the local hospital, parked in a bay so the van was impounded. Had to pay a fine and taxi for the injured player

[Itsnoteasy]

Not a surprise, I’d mentioned on the private forum when he first joined Hibs that he’d been up to creepy stuff at Livingston, which was all over Twitter at the time. You’d have thought the club would’ve heard and seen what was being said about what he’d apparently been up to even back then.

Same thing happened years ago. Jim McCafferty was at Celtic where he repeatedly abused young boys. Lo & behold he comes to Hibs as the kitman.It was known that he liked a young lad but was still employed by Hibs.

[Carheenlea]

You have to wonder what kind of leverage White had on the Golden Quad.

Allegations came to light long before this, and rather than get rid, they gave the guy a promotion (2months ago).

I can sort of half understand that a guy under scrutiny for inappropriate behaviour is still covered by employment laws and sacking isn’t always quite as easy, but awarding the guy a promotion makes absolutely no sense at all.

Mind boggling.

[J-C]

I feel so bad for the player who’s had to endure getting touched up by creepy breeks.

White should never work in football again. Odious ****

Not too sure about this, I thought it was dodgy texts.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Not too sure about this, I thought it was dodgy texts.

It’s both


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[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s both


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I said yesterday I’m not convinced this is the end of this story. I suspect there’ll still be more to come and I think it could potentially get pretty grim for the club.

[Stuart93]

Aye it’s the promotion thing that’s getting me.

Has to be more behind it

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I said yesterday I’m not convinced this is the end of this story. I suspect there’ll still be more to come and I think it could potentially get pretty grim for the club.

Don’t wish to speculate but as I’ve said above, what has come out hasn’t surprised me. Wouldn’t be shocked if there’s more to it than we know already.


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[Mcbizz1998]

Not too sure about this, I thought it was dodgy texts.

The Sun reporting he groped someone’s arse in a nightclub. Young player.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I can sort of half understand that a guy under scrutiny for inappropriate behaviour is still covered by employment laws and sacking isn’t always quite as easy, but awarding the guy a promotion makes absolutely no sense at all.

Mind boggling.

dunno if we still have but had either a director or non-exec who specialised in Employment Law.

So we should have the cover in this area.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

It’s strange that there wasn’t more stories about him coming from the Livingston Fc side of things which the tabloids would normally be all over , how he got involved with international under 19 youth teams etc .

I think it’s increasingly difficult to give anything other than a “vanilla” reference esp if you’ve been employed by a US based organisation. Confirmation on dates employed and role only and emplyeee barred from giving others perforsonal references without permission iirc from my time in such orgs.

[superfurryhibby]

This thread is horrific.

It should be getting closed.

[Chorley Hibee]

I can't help but notice that the admin aren't quite as quick on some of the insinuations on here as they were last night, when I posted regarding a phone call I received from a Hibs employee.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

From the DailyMail article from OP:

“Disclosure Scotland are responsible for safeguarding the welfare of children and vulnerable adults across Scotland, but declined to comment on an individual case.

There is a legal requirement for organisations to refer employees within three months if they have been dismissed or would have been dismissed for behaviour perceived to be a cause of harm or potential harm toward children or protected adults.”

So Hibs are taking steps - this would apply to any club. Had another club found something prior to his employment at Hibs it would their obligation to report.

[Paulie Walnuts]

From the DailyMail article from OP:

“Disclosure Scotland are responsible for safeguarding the welfare of children and vulnerable adults across Scotland, but declined to comment on an individual case.

There is a legal requirement for organisations to refer employees within three months if they have been dismissed or would have been dismissed for behaviour perceived to be a cause of harm or potential harm toward children or protected adults.”

So Hibs are taking steps - this would apply to any club. Had another club found something prior to his employment at Hibs it would their obligation to report.





That was before todays update regarding him groping people.

[snedzuk]

Did I read it right that he's 24 years old?!? What the hell was a 24 year old doing being head of Football Operations at Hibernian FC??? :confused:

This. How exactly does, say, a 35 year old Dwight Gayle relate to a 'head of Football Operations' 24 year old. Can we not employ someone with actual lived experience that players can look up to.

[ChilliEater]

I suspect this is the case.

People referring to social media etc, I would be amazed if no one on here had picked up on it at the time of White's employment at Hibs. Another stick with which to beat the club. This thread is now past being embarrassing.

I'm as pissed off at the club's footballing performance as the next fan, but I'm also getting sick to the back teeth of people who are revelling in pish on here.

Aside from the deep undercover lurkers, who's obvious duty it is to fuel discontent, there's a whole host of folk who seem just desperate to out do each other in the total misery stakes. Maybe a modicum of restraint required fellow Hibernians?

Well said.

[B.H.F.C]

This. How exactly does, say, a 35 year old Dwight Gayle relate to a 'head of Football Operations' 24 year old. Can we not employ someone with actual lived experience that players can look up to.

He didn’t need to look up to him. He wasn’t offering advice on anything to do with football.

[snedzuk]

only about a couple of months ago michael stewart was praising the club for sorting out the football side of things appointing malky mackay

MS still says appointing McKay is one of the few things Hibs have got right.

[snedzuk]

He didn’t need to look up to him. He wasn’t offering advice on anything to do with football.

So why was he head of football operations then. A grand title carrying more salary?

[B.H.F.C]

So why was he head of football operations then. A grand title carrying more salary?

His role didn’t have anything to do with football. He dealt with administration and logistics. The title was stupid and the salary for the job he went in to (which was publicly advertised at the time along with the responsibilities of the job) was reflective of the actual job.

[Stuart93]

This thread is horrific.

It should be getting closed.

Na I don’t think it should tbh.

Why should it be getting closed?

[JohnM1875]

Na I don’t think it should tbh.

Why should it be getting closed?

Folk moan about the club sweeping things under the carpet but want this thread closed?

Pointless anyway, have to guess there's more to come out about White and if this thread was closed a new one would just pop up when the next article comes out.

[HNA12]

Thread closed to give us a chance to sort through it to see what needs removed etc. A few of you complaining about stuff but not one person has reported anything to help us out, we can't be here 24/7. If the easiest solution for us is to delete and start again then that's what will happen.

[HNA11]

We have done a bit of tidying up on this thread As I'm sure you will appreciate we are being ultra cautious on this one as it's a sensitive subject.

Can we please ask that people don't go vigilante on us and instead use the report post function when they feel something is out of line. We can't monitor every thread all the time and we will miss things. We aren't above criticism and take it on board but calling us out publicly rather than trying to help us out a bit isn't appreciated.

Thanks to the vast majority who have discussed this as sensibly as possible and let's try to keep things civil.

[Jones28]

Well played admins 👍

[Murphys Touch]

This. How exactly does, say, a 35 year old Dwight Gayle relate to a 'head of Football Operations' 24 year old. Can we not employ someone with actual lived experience that players can look up to.

As much as I agree - his role was to organised transport, hotels etc for the football teams.

A mental job title and more evidence that we are trying to be something we are not.

Sadly when you look at the salaries we offer, you ain’t getting a 35 year old person with a mortgage, kids etc applying for these roles. I’m sure our head of sales and marketing job a few years ago was under £35k

Our company pay double that for a head of sales role

[Centre Hawf]

This. How exactly does, say, a 35 year old Dwight Gayle relate to a 'head of Football Operations' 24 year old. Can we not employ someone with actual lived experience that players can look up to.

If Dwight Gayle is to look up to the man who books coaches and hotel rooms and faxes paperwork to the SFA then he's easily impressed.

As others have said the role isn't a director of football type role, it's purely logistical stuff that the 'football' folk don't want bogged down with.

[hibee-boys]

Head of Football Operations……modern day equivalent of Vision Technician. He’d have been called an admin assistant or secretary back in the day.

[Pretty Boy]

As much as I agree - his role was to organised transport, hotels etc for the football teams.

A mental job title and more evidence that we are trying to be something we are not.

Sadly when you look at the salaries we offer, you ain’t getting a 35 year old person with a mortgage, kids etc applying for these roles. I’m sure our head of sales and marketing job a few years ago was under £35k

Our company pay double that for a head of sales role

Yep £35-40K would be a realistic salary expectation for a middling b2b sales job, certainly not someone heading the department. Anyone taking that is under qualified, under experienced or a bit desperate (and that's no shade on the latter, we have all done jobs just to make ends meet).

Sales Director role in my work came up recently and was advertised as £65K with OTE someway north of that.

[hibee-boys]

No doubt the job title was to make up for the low salary……no one who’s experience of heading up anything would be accepting the salary offered. Perhaps Ben can take a pay cut and we can appoint better qualified staff🤔

[Trinity Hibee]

Yep £35-40K would be a realistic salary expectation for a middling b2b sales job, certainly not someone heading the department. Anyone taking that is under qualified, under experienced or a bit desperate (and that's no shade on the latter, we have all done jobs just to make ends meet).

Sales Director role in my work came up recently and was advertised as £65K with OTE someway north of that.

Agree with what you have said yet we have BK on over £300k a year. How does any of this make sense? Pay crap wages you’ll get inexperience

[Chorley Hibee]

No doubt the job title was to make up for the low salary……no one who’s experience of heading up anything would be accepting the salary offered. Perhaps Ben can take a pay cut and we can appoint better qualified staff🤔

That's what I've always been particularly concerned by.

Whilst we pay buttons for jobs throughout the club, we pay this charlatan circa 350k a year.

Well in excess of what similar roles at similar sized clubs are paying.

[Tyler Durden]

Where people mentioned White being promoted this year, or having a change of job title. Was this reported anywhere or is it a case of people seeing his title change on LinkedIn?

[overdrive]

Where people mentioned White being promoted this year, or having a change of job title. Was this reported anywhere or is it a case of people seeing his title change on LinkedIn?

LinkedIn. Somebody called Phillip Kidd got promoted into the Head of Football Operations role from First Team Football Operations Co-ordinator at the same time. He has a coaching background though so no doubt that will make people think he has some sort of actual football responsibility rather than being a frontline or middle manager of an admin function.

[MikeyS]

LinkedIn. Somebody called Phillip Kidd got promoted into the Head of Football Operations role from First Team Football Operations Co-ordinator at the same time. He has a coaching background though so no doubt that will make people think he has some sort of actual football responsibility rather than being a frontline or middle manager of an admin function.


Phil has worked at the club for years now, coaching various age groups through the academy and worked closely to Finlay Stark who this boy White actually replaced.

He'll do the job just fine. A really quiet, guy that just gets on with his business.

[Pagan Hibernia]

As much as I agree - his role was to organised transport, hotels etc for the football teams.

A mental job title and more evidence that we are trying to be something we are not.

Sadly when you look at the salaries we offer, you ain’t getting a 35 year old person with a mortgage, kids etc applying for these roles. I’m sure our head of sales and marketing job a few years ago was under £35k

Our company pay double that for a head of sales role

What was the salary for White's role

[overdrive]

What was the salary for White's role

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/8594/hibs-head-of-football-operations-jd.docx

Job spec from when it was advertised when he got the job. Suggests £30k-£35k though that was obviously 2 and a half years ago

[Hibiza]

Just when you think ,things couldn't get worse .

[overdrive]

Phil has worked at the club for years now, coaching various age groups through the academy and worked closely to Finlay Stark who this boy White actually replaced.

He'll do the job just fine. A really quiet, guy that just gets on with his business.

Actually when I posted that about him getting the job, I thought I recognised the name and now I realise how. We actually worked together in previous roles - it was only ever email contact, though.

[Billy Whizz]

LinkedIn. Somebody called Phillip Kidd got promoted into the Head of Football Operations role from First Team Football Operations Co-ordinator at the same time. He has a coaching background though so no doubt that will make people think he has some sort of actual football responsibility rather than being a frontline or middle manager of an admin function.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hibernian-fc/mitarbeiter/verein/903

It’s on Transfermarkt so they must have got it from somewhere
Also Murray Milligan was “promoted” to Commercial Director over the summer too

[Hibiza]

Kensell found a replacement van, its parked safely at EM 28279

😂

[Lago]

It’s a fancy title for admin clerk.
It's the oldest trick in the book, give them a really fancy job title, makes them feel important, but pay them buttons. 👍

[CentreLine]

Actually when I posted that about him getting the job, I thought I recognised the name and now I realise how. We actually worked together in previous roles - it was only ever email contact, though.

Are you submitting the emails as evidence? 😈

[Broken Gnome]

Awarded the grand-and largely meaningless-new title of director of football operations as recently as September, he left his post with a haste which bordered on the suspicious.

Acting on information from credible sources, Mail Sport checked rumours of disciplinary action over inappropriate behaviour with Hibs and learned that White had resigned from his position.

Pressed on the matter the club now acknowledge that, prior to the conclusion of an internal investigation, White jumped.

From the latest Mail article on this.

Credible sources? Folk with Hibs sympathies who want this publicised and further shame/pressure the board? A journalist who works a bit more locally to Edinburgh papers now than used to be at the Mail?

I've always hated negative stories about Hibs in the press. I'd be quite happy having as many pieces of dirty laundry flung out about this lot as possible if it makes things even more untenable.

[Tambo]

Have been looking in the last few days but not posted anything, slow week with international break.

Things just can't get any worse regarding the football club behind the scenes, throw in the HSL situation.

[JimBHibees]

From the latest Mail article on this.

Credible sources? Folk with Hibs sympathies who want this publicised and further shame/pressure the board? A journalist who works a bit more locally to Edinburgh papers now than used to be at the Mail?

I've always hated negative stories about Hibs in the press. I'd be quite happy having as many pieces of dirty laundry flung out about this lot as possible if it makes things even more untenable.

Genuinely don’t think the club have done anything wrong in this case

[erin go bragh]

Can we close this now as its been done to death. All this negativity is not doing anyone any good.
Lets hope this Saturday at Dens is Grays turning point 🤞

[andrew70]

Can we close this now as its been done to death. All this negativity is not doing anyone any good.
Lets hope this Saturday at Dens is Grays turning point 🤞

Don’t think we should close it, there’s more to come I imagine.

This isn’t the end of it. The first article downplayed it, the second is the pre cursor of what’s to come IMO.

The club have tried to sweep this under the carpet, at no point should this be allowed to happen.

I’ve often felt sorry for the Gordon’s but they clearly don’t understand the depravity of all this.

The next story will be defining.

[B.H.F.C]

Don’t think we should close it, there’s more to come I imagine.

This isn’t the end of it. The first article downplayed it, the second is the pre cursor of what’s to come IMO.

The club have tried to sweep this under the carpet, at no point should this be allowed to happen.

I’ve often felt sorry for the Gordon’s but they clearly don’t understand the depravity of all this.

The next story will be defining.

I’m no really sure they’ve tried to sweep it under the carpet. Disciplinary process started and he jumped before he was pushed. They still reported it to the relevant authorities after that, I don’t really think they could have done much else at that point.

[Centre Hawf]

Don’t think we should close it, there’s more to come I imagine.

This isn’t the end of it. The first article downplayed it, the second is the pre cursor of what’s to come IMO.

The club have tried to sweep this under the carpet, at no point should this be allowed to happen.

I’ve often felt sorry for the Gordon’s but they clearly don’t understand the depravity of all this.

The next story will be defining.

I obviously do not know the inner workings of what has gone on, not many of us probably ever really will. But do you think that's the case going by what we've been able to read about this? Sweep under the carpet to me suggests Hibs tried to hide it from anyone who mattered, however it looks to me that Hibs investigated him, reported him, and done everything right?

Is there something you know or are you just speculating?

[.Sean.]

Don’t think we should close it, there’s more to come I imagine.

This isn’t the end of it. The first article downplayed it, the second is the pre cursor of what’s to come IMO.

The club have tried to sweep this under the carpet, at no point should this be allowed to happen.

I’ve often felt sorry for the Gordon’s but they clearly don’t understand the depravity of all this.

The next story will be defining.
What’s the next story?

[JimBHibees]

I’m no really sure they’ve tried to sweep it under the carpet. Disciplinary process started and he jumped before he was pushed. They still reported it to the relevant authorities after that, I don’t really think they could have done much else at that point.

Absolutely

[tamig]

I’m no really sure they’ve tried to sweep it under the carpet. Disciplinary process started and he jumped before he was pushed. They still reported it to the relevant authorities after that, I don’t really think they could have done much else at that point.

Agreed. I think Andrew’s never hidden his views about the way certain things are done under the current regime though. I’ll wait to see what/if anything further comes out before making any judgements.

[andrew70]

What’s the next story?

I just mean generally. I think McGowan knows a lot more than he’s been saying at the moment.

As I say the first article was particularly downplayed, the second having a go at the club, I think the third will tell us the arms and the legs.

The above points re swept under the carpet yes I do think that now. White was being ushered out the back door without any care or attention due to the young lads involved.

I think it’s incredible how they tried to help White through it.

[andrew70]

Agreed. I think Andrew’s never hidden his views about the way certain things are done under the current regime though. I’ll wait to see what/if anything further comes out before making any judgements.

Yes that is true however I do believe many if not all have been related to goings on and with observation.

We shall see. I hope I am wrong but there’s young lads involved who may or may not have been looked after properly here.

[Jones28]

I just mean generally. I think McGowan knows a lot more than he’s been saying at the moment.

As I say the first article was particularly downplayed, the second having a go at the club, I think the third will tell us the arms and the legs.

The above points re swept under the carpet yes I do think that now. White was being ushered out the back door without any care or attention due to the young lads involved.

I think it’s incredible how they tried to help White through it.

What makes you think any of this to be the case? Insider info or speculation?

[CentreLine]

Yes that is true however I do believe many if not all have been related to goings on and with observation.

We shall see. I hope I am wrong but there’s young lads involved who may or may not have been looked after properly here.

That’s a fair point. We often forget the victim when we’re so keen to dig in to the perpetrator. It’s very rare that we know who the victims are and often quite rightly but those at the heart of these kind of enquires do know who the victims are should be devoting services to their care.

To give just one example of many outrages over the years, we all saw the reports but I am ashamed that I’ll always know who Thomas Hamilton was. I can remember that the teacher’s first name was Gwen but can’t name a single one of the 16 five year old murdered that day in Dunblane. Or the other 15 injured and many more traumatised for that matter. I feel I shouldn’t even know nor care what Hamilton’s name was, only that he is no longer a threat to anyone.

[andrew70]

What makes you think any of this to be the case? Insider info or speculation?

Just a realisation that they seem to have simplified a very trivial matter but as the second article states it simply can’t be ignored or allowed to just go away.

[superfurryhibby]

Just a realisation that they seem to have simplified a very trivial matter but as the second article states it simply can’t be ignored or allowed to just go away.

So, you don't know anything more but feel the club have trivialised and downplayed events. This is despite the club making a statement saying they reported the matter to the relevant authorities.

"The club informed the relevant authorities and organisations following our strict safeguarding procedures.”

It is understood that the Scottish Football Association have been in discussions with Hibernian’s child welfare officer to establish that White was not in regulated work or a member of the Protecting Vulnerable Groups (PVG) scheme.

The governing body has also been assured that no harm was caused to a minor".

I wonder, what more would you have expected Hibs to do in the circumstances?

You're saying White was ushered out the back door. Did you expect Hibs to announce his departure with a fanfare?

[andrew70]

So, you don't know anything more but feel the club have trivialised and downplayed events. This is despite the club making a statement saying they reported the matter to the relevant authorities.

"The club informed the relevant authorities and organisations following our strict safeguarding procedures.”

It is understood that the Scottish Football Association have been in discussions with Hibernian’s child welfare officer to establish that White was not in regulated work or a member of the Protecting Vulnerable Groups (PVG) scheme.

The governing body has also been assured that no harm was caused to a minor".

I wonder, what more would you have expected Hibs to do in the circumstances?

You're saying White was ushered out the back door. Did you expect Hibs to announce his departure with a fanfare?

They reported it to the relevant authorities well after the complaint(s) was/were made. Again it’s the victims we should feel sorry for here, not White.

[Sioux]

They reported it to the relevant authorities well after the complaint(s) was/were made. Again it’s the victims we should feel sorry for here, not White.

What do you know about how the victim(s) were handled, or in your experience, were not handled?

[superfurryhibby]

They reported it to the relevant authorities well after the complaint(s) was/were made. Again it’s the victims we should feel sorry for here, not White.



No one on this thread is feeling sorry for White, why would you even bother saying this?

With regard to victims and authorities. The club has stated that there were no minors involved. We are not aware of any abuse associated with the allegations that have emerged.

Do you know when complaints were made, or how long Hibs took to carry out their own investigations?

Are you connected to anyone involved or do you have some insight that we don't?

Otherwise you're just making assumptions and it seems to me like you are overly eager in doing so.

[Jones28]

I just mean generally. I think McGowan knows a lot more than he’s been saying at the moment.

As I say the first article was particularly downplayed, the second having a go at the club, I think the third will tell us the arms and the legs.

The above points re swept under the carpet yes I do think that now. White was being ushered out the back door without any care or attention due to the young lads involved.

I think it’s incredible how they tried to help White through it.


Yes that is true however I do believe many if not all have been related to goings on and with observation.

We shall see. I hope I am wrong but there’s young lads involved who may or may not have been looked after properly here.


Just a realisation that they seem to have simplified a very trivial matter but as the second article states it simply can’t be ignored or allowed to just go away.

You're jumping to lots of conclusions and assumptions here.

Probably best to be a bit careful and wait until the facts come out.

[Centre Hawf]

They reported it to the relevant authorities well after the complaint(s) was/were made. Again it’s the victims we should feel sorry for here, not White.

Again, going purely off of what we know from the reports, the club seemed to start an investigation and Derek White knew he was probably done so jumped before he was pushed and the investigation could come to a full conclusion (unless it has since) and Hibs have reported it to the SFA and whoever else needs to know.

I'm a bit confused as to why you think anyone is feeling sorry for White?

[tamig]

They reported it to the relevant authorities well after the complaint(s) was/were made. Again it’s the victims we should feel sorry for here, not White.

The key thing here around your comments is that you seem to be having a go at the club and think they have handled the issue badly.

From what’s in the public domain currently, that doesn’t seem to stack up. There’s obviously a lot of details that haven’t been reported - and never likely will be - and as others have mentioned, a lot of speculation and conclusion jumping on your part.

From what I’ve seen to date, it looks like the club have handled it as we’d hope they would. I don’t think anyone knows what they’ve done re supporting the victim. And I think that should remain private.

[matty_f]

I don’t think Hibs have swept anything under the carpet at all, they have to consider the victim(s) and given the sensitive nature of the allegations then I’m not sure any employer would be expected to do more than Hibs have done already.

[Kato]

They reported it to the relevant authorities well after the complaint(s) was/were made. Again it’s the victims we should feel sorry for here, not White.How long was the gap?

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