Derek White

[AugustaHibs]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/scottish-premiership/article-14083743/Hibs-director-football-operations-Derek-White-quit-Easter-Road-club-month-allegations-inappropriate-behaviour.html

[Broken Gnome]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/scottish-premiership/article-14083743/Hibs-director-football-operations-Derek-White-quit-Easter-Road-club-month-allegations-inappropriate-behaviour.html

Did someone on another thread not refer to rumours about his departure?

Horrible stuff.

[JohnM1875]

Creepy wee **** should've been nowhere near us. Stuff was all over Twitter for his time at Livi before we employed him.

[H18 SFR]

Having seen the screenshots of the chat, he needs barred from working with children and young people for life.

[.Sean.]

Not a surprise, I’d mentioned on the private forum when he first joined Hibs that he’d been up to creepy stuff at Livingston, which was all over Twitter at the time. You’d have thought the club would’ve heard and seen what was being said about what he’d apparently been up to even back then.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I live for the day this football club goes longer than one week without embarrassing itself.

[MikeyS]

Staff at Livi were delighted to see the back of him too.

I'm not involved in any recruitment at my work but you'd think references were saught before we employed him!

I know someone who knows him and he was apparently always very helpful in sorting away tickets at ER for his Jambo pals too. Wee creep!

[Pretty Boy]

I'd say we were like Jongleurs FC but there's nothing funny about it.

[silverhibee]

I live for the day this football club goes longer than one week without embarrassing itself.

Hibs obviously thought they could sweep this under the carpet and forget about it, shameful from the club and heads now need to roll for whoever employed him, but then we hired MM so maybe anything goes at this club now.

And they post about Hibs kids Xmas on 23rd, read the f***ing room Hibs.

[Trinity Hibee]

If he was doing that at Livi I’m stunned they wouldn’t say anything morally when we went to appoint him. Massive questions to be asked around this

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Nae wonder oor Ben has hot-footed it to the Caribbean.

[Heisenberg]

***** at his job and a dirty wee creep into the bargain. Thank **** he’s gone.

[Smartie]

Now this article is out, I’m assuming we can discuss this…

Is this the low point? As in, the worst thing that has happened under the rule of our current custodians?

Mismanaging the football side of a football club is one thing.

But appointing someone who arrived with a “track record” from another club… managed to get us ejected from a competition due to their incompetence… got the odd promotion… then sacked for creepy behaviour.

Wtf is actually going on?

Even if we’ve ultimately done the right thing… how have found ourselves in the position of having to do the right thing?

[MelbourneHibees]

Now this article is out, I’m assuming we can discuss this…

Is this the low point? As in, the worst thing that has happened under the rule of our current custodians?

Mismanaging the football side of a football club is one thing.

But appointing someone who arrived with a “track record” from another club… managed to get us ejected from a competition due to their incompetence… got the odd promotion… then sacked for creepy behaviour.

Wtf is actually going on?

Even if we’ve ultimately done the right thing… how have found ourselves in the position of having to do the right thing?
He wasn't sacked.

Be interesting to know if Hibs continued with the investigation after he left and what the results were. Would it have led to a sacking?

[Allant1981]

Now this article is out, I’m assuming we can discuss this…

Is this the low point? As in, the worst thing that has happened under the rule of our current custodians?

Mismanaging the football side of a football club is one thing.

But appointing someone who arrived with a “track record” from another club… managed to get us ejected from a competition due to their incompetence… got the odd promotion… then sacked for creepy behaviour.

Wtf is actually going on?

Even if we’ve ultimately done the right thing… how have found ourselves in the position of having to do the right thing?

You would like to think he would have been sacked, what is in the daily mail article is only part of what happened(allegedly)

[Crab apple]

Now this article is out, I’m assuming we can discuss this…

Is this the low point? As in, the worst thing that has happened under the rule of our current custodians?

Mismanaging the football side of a football club is one thing.

But appointing someone who arrived with a “track record” from another club… managed to get us ejected from a competition due to their incompetence… got the odd promotion… then sacked for creepy behaviour.

Wtf is actually going on?

Even if we’ve ultimately done the right thing… how have found ourselves in the position of having to do the right thing?

I wasn't aware of the creepy stuff but I was really surprised that he was promoted having been the person responsible for the glaring admin errors.

[silverhibee]

Nae wonder oor Ben has hot-footed it to the Caribbean.

:agree:

How convenient eh.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I wasn't aware of the creepy stuff but I was really surprised that he was promoted having been the person responsible for the glaring admin errors.

Sounds like he was focusing on youth development as opposed to getting his admin in order. Creep.

[lugz]

:agree:

How convenient eh.

Hopefully he'll be following the creep out the door, you wonder how long this has been known within the club because it was leaked weeks ago.

[CL0762]

I actually find it quite concerning that someone in his role wouldn’t automatically go through the PVG prior to his employment given his likelihood of being in the proximity of children.

[Chuck Rhoades]

About time Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell start taking some ****ing accountability and get the **** out our club. Can we get any lower?

[Jones28]

About time Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell start taking some ****ing accountability and get the **** out our club. Can we get any lower?

Oh I’m sure they’ll think of something.

****ing charlatans.

And Kensall is on the other side of the ****ing Atlantic, how convenient eh?

[Bostonhibby]

We're not just bumbling amateurs when it comes to the onfield side of the club.

Keystone cops stuff top to bottom. And probably no accountability for the process that led to this appointment. Who owns it?

Lucky most of us don't "trust the process".


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[blackpoolhibs]

About time Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell start taking some ****ing accountability and get the **** out our club. Can we get any lower?
:agree: Running our club into the ground.

[Stokesy's on fire]

If he was doing that at Livi I’m stunned they wouldn’t say anything morally when we went to appoint him. Massive questions to be asked around this

Questions should be asked if he was doing this at livi why didn't they deal with it?

[SHODAN]

Left Livingston for the exact same allegations and we saw fit to employ him.

This is an extremely bad look for the club. Their negligence has resulted in a young man being sexually harassed. Inexcusable.

[AugustaHibs]

Left Livingston for the exact same allegations and we saw fit to employ him.

This is an extremely bad look for the club. Their negligence has resulted in someone being sexually harassed. Inexcusable.

Edit.

[MelbourneHibees]

Edited. Poster corrected their error.

[SHODAN]

Not a child according to the article. Would advise caution about making that sort of remark.

Already edited the post when I realised my mistake.

[MelbourneHibees]

Already edited the post when I realised my mistake.
👍
Will edit mines too.

[SHODAN]

👍
Will edit mines too.

Thanks!

[AugustaHibs]

Thanks!

Me too.

[SHODAN]

Me too.

Thanks, maybe a bit of caution from me required on this one.

[.Sean.]

Bit coincidental Kensell out the country for both this news and the HSL meeting. How convenient for him

[SaulGoodman]

We must be one of the most unprofessional “professional” teams in Scottish football right now.

[WestStandWillie]

No due diligence done.

The Golden Quadrant is really crippling our club. I honestly wouldn’t be too hard on Foley if he just decided to pull the plug on the deal.

[Chuck Rhoades]

We must be one of the most unprofessional “professional” teams in Scottish football right now.

Petrie and Dempster weren’t perfect, but it did feel like they held high standards and had control. This bunch of “jobs for the boys” jokers are literally taking the proverbial and ripping the soul out our club.

[CapitalGreen]

Bit coincidental Kensell out the country for both this news and the HSL meeting. How convenient for him

If you want to get out of the country at short notice I imagine there are significantly cheaper options than flying your family to the Caribbean. A private meeting with HSL is hardly a frightening prospect either, as an organisation they are as toothless as a newborn baby.

[ChuckNor]

This has to be the final straw. Then again, how many final straws has there been? Ben Kensell, you replaced perfectly good Hibs people with these so-called “professionals”. Take responsibility and get away from our football club you absolute impostor.

[lugz]

Petrie and Dempster weren’t perfect, but it did feel like they held high standards and had control. This bunch of “jobs for the boys” jokers are literally taking the proverbial and ripping the soul out our club.

The club in its current state are actually unlikable.

[SHODAN]

Petrie and Dempster weren’t perfect, but it did feel like they held high standards and had control. This bunch of “jobs for the boys” jokers are literally taking the proverbial and ripping the soul out our club.

I rescind everything bad I said about Petrie. EVERYTHING.

[Jones28]

If you want to get out of the country at short notice I imagine there are significantly cheaper options than flying your family to the Caribbean. A private meeting with HSL is hardly a frightening prospect either, as an organisation they are as toothless as a newborn baby.

For someone on £350k a year I’m sure it’s more than affordable.

[Trinity Hibee]

Petrie and Dempster weren’t perfect, but it did feel like they held high standards and had control. This bunch of “jobs for the boys” jokers are literally taking the proverbial and ripping the soul out our club.

Yeah I never had an issue with Petrie as chairman as he was a professional in every sense although he was tight with the Green pound at times

Wouldn’t have got any of this crap with him

[Jones28]

The club in its current state are actually unlikable.

It’s like watching someone you love turn in to someone you no longer recognise.

[Bostonhibby]

It’s like watching someone you love turn in to someone you no longer recognise.Right on the money, felt that way a while now.

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[green day]

I rescind everything bad I said about Petrie. EVERYTHING.

Petrie and Farmer sold the club to these jokers.

[paddy1875]

We’re really in need of some massive changes at the club now.

This hopefully is the end for Ben kensell. It’s really gone past the point of no return.

From making us a laughing stock on the park, to hiring a director of football that’s got a dark past and who was sacked by Ross county, to hiring an absolute low life like this guy while it was known he had previous at another Scottish club.

A CEO who’s boosted off before the news of this hit the papers aswell. Hes stealing a crippling salary at the same time. I hope he’s chased out of leith the next time he try’s to get into the main stand.

Don’t even recognise the club anymore, it’s never been rosey but there was always a reason to come back. Being treated like absolute mugs


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[Paulie Walnuts]

The club in its current state are actually unlikable.

Absolutely. I’ve never ‘liked’ Hibs less than I do now. Even when we were relegated.

[Hibees1973]

This is the new low.

[Jones28]

Petrie and Farmer sold the club to these jokers.

They weren’t to know it would end up like this.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bit coincidental Kensell out the country for both this news and the HSL meeting. How convenient for him

Said the same when I heard the more extreme rumours going around. I actually started to suspect he was going to be announced as being emptied as well if those were true.

[Winston Ingram]

Left Livingston for the exact same allegations and we saw fit to employ him.

This is an extremely bad look for the club. Their negligence has resulted in a young man being sexually harassed. Inexcusable.

Another example of our thorough recruitment policy

[lyonhibs]

Never even heard of the guy. Sounds like I wasn't missing out on much. Ideally next up Racist Malky and Greasy Ben.

[green day]

They weren’t to know it would end up like this.

They sold our club to a Peruvian American businessman with no track record of running a football club, no affinity to Hibs or Leith.

I would say they bear some responsibility for us turning into our present shambles.

[Pretty Boy]

It’s like watching someone you love turn in to someone you no longer recognise.

Sadly you're right.

The classic 'I still love you but I really don't like you' stage in a relationship.

[overdrive]

The club is rotten to the core. The sooner the likes of Ben Kensell and Ian Gordon have nothing to do with the club, the better

[B.H.F.C]

Doubt this is going to have any impact on Kensell’s position. It’s not news to the club. Business as usual.

[paddy1875]

Doubt this is going to have any impact on Kensell’s position. It’s not news to the club.

It’s news to most supporters


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[Donegal Hibby]

Petrie and Farmer sold the club to these jokers.

We have a lot to be grateful for what Farmer done for our Football club .

[Paulie Walnuts]

The club is rotten to the core. The sooner the likes of Ben Kensell and Ian Gordon have nothing to do with the club, the better

We’ll no doubt still have people telling us to be careful what we wish for.

[Hibees1973]

They sold our club to a Peruvian American businessman with no track record of running a football club, no affinity to Hibs or Leith.

I would say they bear some responsibility for us turning into our present shambles.

Though there are still some on here maintain that him and his family meant well and still do. Overlooking the fact that there is a pile of ever increasing evidence that The Gordons don't have a clue.

[Hibernian Verse]

It’s concerning that I (along with others) don’t think we have hit rock bottom yet given who is all still at the club

[Hibernia&Alba]

This is all we need at the moment. What a creep.

[Stuart93]

To say what though? Presumably the rumours weren't true so he asked them to remove the post?

Just a weird thing for the CEO of a football club to do no? Start phoning people because of posting rumours on twitter?

I don’t know if they’re true or not or the nature of the phone calls. I just find it a tad odd.

Then again, it’s Kensell.

[.Sean.]

If that’s true I’d implore anybody he contacted to report this to the ICO.
It is 10000000% true

[Jones28]

They sold our club to a Peruvian American businessman with no track record of running a football club, no affinity to Hibs or Leith.

I would say they bear some responsibility for us turning into our present shambles.

Sorry mate but that’s rubbish.

The man they sold the club to is no longer with us, 5 years and numerous dreadful decisions stand between Farmer, Petrie and the current shambles.

[Carheenlea]

Just when you think we’ve hit rock bottom, we now learn we thought it a great idea to hire a nonce, despite him having what some are saying was quite well known previous at Livingston.

A lot of good people have been moved on from the club, people who helped forge an identity between club and fan to be replaced by unsavoury characters like White which in turn is driving a wedge between club and fan. Absolutely shameful.

[green day]

Sorry mate but that’s rubbish.

The man they sold the club to is no longer with us, 5 years and numerous dreadful decisions stand between Farmer, Petrie and the current shambles.

You might disagree that they bear some responsibility, but it's certainly not "rubbish" about Ron having no experience of running a football club and no affinity to Hibs, Scotland, or Leith.

[Jones28]

You might disagree that they bear some responsibility, but it's certainly not "rubbish" about Ron having no experience of running a football club and no affinity to Hibs, Scotland, or Leith.

Putting any of these on Farmer and Petrie is ridiculous IMO.

All of that is the case yes, what is rubbish is the idea any of this is the fault of our previous ownership.

[paddy1875]

Has Ben Kensell just called someone at Hibs.Net from the Caribbean bat phone to get those posts removed?

Looks like it [emoji23][emoji23]


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[Chorley Hibee]

I've always got time for the admin and the role they have on here, but the removal of these posts are a joke.

[Stokesy's on fire]

I've always got time for the admin and the role they have on here, but the removal of these posts are a joke.

Na to be fair they do need to be careful.

[green day]

Putting any of these on Farmer and Petrie is ridiculous IMO.

All of that is the case yes, what is rubbish is the idea any of this is the fault of our previous ownership.

If people can talk (tonight) about due diligence relating to an employee - then I can certainly ask questions about the diligence done by Petrie and Farmer ahead of selling to Ron Gordon.

If he had a track record of running a club or sports franchise? Fair enough.......but he didn't.

[LaMotta]

I've always got time for the admin and the role they have on here, but the removal of these posts are a joke.

There are still posts on this thread that haven't been removed despite calling the boy Derek White a nonce.

[Pretty Boy]

I've always got time for the admin and the role they have on here, but the removal of these posts are a joke.

It's not a joke.

It's unsubstantiated rumours that impact a club official and other individuals. If we platform it and someone decides they don't like it then it's the site and those of us who run it which is/who are legally liable. We have had such threats before hence we take a cautious approach to such matters.

[marinello59]

There are still posts on this thread that haven't been removed despite calling the boy Derek White a nonce.

Report them and they will be dealt with.

[LaMotta]

It's not a joke.

It's unsubstantiated rumours that impact a club official and other individuals. If we platform it and someone decides they don't like it the site is legally liable. We have had such threats before hence we take a cautious approach to such matters.

But you just posted as much about the rumours as anyone else had?!

[Stokesy's on fire]

It's not a joke.

It's unsubstantiated rumours that impact a club official and other individuals. If we platform it and someone decides they don't like it then it's the site and those of us who run it which is/who are legally liable. We have had such threats before hence we take a cautious approach to such matters.

I think a lot of people forget that.

[Chuck Rhoades]

It's not a joke.

It's unsubstantiated rumours that impact a club official and other individuals. If we platform it and someone decides they don't like it the site is legally liable. We have had such threats before hence we take a cautious approach to such matters.

A lot of what’s been removed are opinions not rumours though? We shouldn’t be censoring views and feelings people have. Is that not part of the sites purpose?

Be interesting to know if said threats came from the club / an individual at it!

[007]

Yeah I never had an issue with Petrie as chairman as he was a professional in every sense although he was tight with the Green pound at times

Wouldn’t have got any of this crap with him

Don't know the exact timing but was Jim McCafferty not given a job around the time Petrie had joined? Article says there had been a cloud over his departure from Celtic and allegations reported to the police.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63802787

[LaMotta]

Report them and they will be dealt with.

Doesn't really bother me, just pointing out that there are far worse posts still on here than the ones that were deleted.

[Pretty Boy]

But you just posted as much about the rumours as anyone else had?!

About Ben Kensell? Not guilty.

[Jones28]

Fair enough from the admins if the site has been threatened with legal action before, I thought given that it was a well established poster who brought it up it might have been a valid conversation.

[Pretty Boy]

A lot of what’s been removed are opinions not rumours though? We shouldn’t be censoring views and feelings people have. Is that not part of the sites purpose?

Be interesting to know if said threats came from the club / an individual at it!

There's always collateral damage when a lot of posts gets deleted as any posts that quote them have to be deleted as well.

[marinello59]

A lot of what’s been removed are opinions not rumours though? We shouldn’t be censoring views and feelings people have. Is that not part of the sites purpose?

Be interesting to know if said threats came from the club / an individual at it!

A post is never removed for expressing an opinion. Unfortunately sometimes posts have to go because they have quoted something we can't let stand like an unsubstantiated allegation.

[Chorley Hibee]

There was nothing wrong, or liable, in what I posted.

I was asked about a call, and I divulged what was in that call.

There's was nothing inappropriate, false, or liable in what I said.

Sad day when the club is now crippling speech on here as well.

[LaMotta]

About Ben Kensell? Not guilty.

I think your post has been removed now, or I would direct you to what you said, which indicated about as much as anyone else had said on the details on the issue ( which wasn't very much at all!). Sorry not trying to have a go - just a bit confused by this thread TBH.

[Chuck Rhoades]

I’m sorry but why has the posters story around being contacted by a staff member at Hibs been deleted? It’s insinuating he is lying? He’s not talking on behalf of someone else, it’s his story, so why censor it by deleting?

[Jones28]

If people can talk (tonight) about due diligence relating to an employee - then I can certainly ask questions about the diligence done by Petrie and Farmer ahead of selling to Ron Gordon.

If he had a track record of running a club or sports franchise? Fair enough.......but he didn't.

There are countless examples of people who own football clubs that have never had experience of owning a football club previously.

Like Tom Farmer for example.

[Alfred E Newman]

Just out of interest, what does the “ Head of Football Operations “ do?
This guy, who I must admit I had never heard off before today, doesn’t look like someone who has played the game at any serious level if at all.

[Chorley Hibee]

I’m sorry but why has the posters story around being contacted by a staff member at Hibs been deleted? It’s insinuating he is lying? He’s not talking on behalf of someone else, it’s his story, so why censor it by deleting?

I'd also like to know, and pleased to see it's not just me that's bemused by this approach.

[Jay]

I’m sorry but why has the posters story around being contacting by a staff member at Hibs been deleted? It’s insinuating he is lying? He’s not talking on behalf of someone else, it’s his story, so why censor is by deleting?

It's been explained. People need to remember we do things to protect the site as well as ourselves. We don't advertise the stuff we deal with behind the scenes and some may think we are a bit too cautious at times but these things are never done lightly.

[Pretty Boy]

There was nothing wrong, or liable, in what I posted.

I was asked about a call, and I divulged what was in that call.

There's was nothing inappropriate, false, or liable in what I said.

Sad day when the club is now crippling speech on here as well.

The club isn't having any impact on what is allowable on here. No one on the admin team has spoken to anyone in a senior management position at the club for literally years.

An admin made a decision, a decision fully supported by others, that certain posts crossed a line and as such those posts and others in the wider conversation were deleted.

There's really no more to it than that. No great conspiracy or club ordered censorship.

[Chuck Rhoades]

A post is never removed for expressing an opinion. Unfortunately sometimes posts have to go because they have quoted something we can't let stand like an unsubstantiated allegation.

It wasn’t an unsubstantiated allegation. The poster has told his own personal story. The site is essentially calling him liar to seemingly protect the person he’s referring to? There’s nothing even derogatory towards the person in what he said, he’s merely told a story.

[LaMotta]

Just out of interest, what does the “ Head of Football Operations “ do?
This guy, who I must admit I had never heard off before today, doesn’t look like someone who has played the game at any serious level if at all.

My mate was "Team Manager" at a professional rugby team despite never having played rugby and having limited knowledge of the game. He was basically a logistics person, arranged all travel to away games, buses planes hotels etc, schedules for the team and stuff like that. Liaison with rugby authorities etc. I guess it would be a similar role that relies more on organisation skills and common sense than deep rooted football knowledge. Although it seems Derek White didn't have any of those things.

[Chuck Rhoades]

The club isn't having any impact on what is allowable on here. No one on the admin team has spoken to anyone in a senior management position at the club for literally years.

An admin made a decision, a decision fully supported by others, that certain posts crossed a line and as such those posts and others in the wider conversation were deleted.

There's really no more to it than that. No great conspiracy or club ordered censorship.

I’m not suggesting conspiracy, but disagree with it being a rumour or inflammatory?

“X from Hibs called me to discuss Y” - what’s wrong with that? If it was a member of parliament, an authority or any other company for that matter it wouldn’t be removed?

No desire to cause an argument here. The admin team do great work, but couldn’t walked past how I feel about this one.

[MelbourneHibees]

I’m not suggesting conspiracy, but disagree with it being a rumour or inflammatory?

“X from Hibs called me to discuss Y” - what’s wrong with that? If it was a member of parliament, an authority or any other company for that matter it wouldn’t be removed?

No desire to cause an argument here. The admin team do great work, but couldn’t walked past how I feel about this one.
Perhaps the issue is that if true it would mean that X from Hibs would have had to circumvent some GDPR regulations to get their phone number?

[Unseen work]

Was there anyone else he was grooming or was it the one player who is 18?

Hopefully not too many have been affected.

Glad the club have investigated it though and he’s now left.

[HNA12]

It wasn’t an unsubstantiated allegation. The poster has told his own personal story. The site is essentially calling him liar to seemingly protect the person he’s referring to? There’s nothing even derogatory towards the person in what he said, he’s merely told a story.

We are certainly not calling the poster a liar. I have to be careful not go in to specifics here but the follow on conversation from that post which was quoted several times made a couple of allegations which we can't allow to stand as they are unsubstantiated. Therefore it all had to go.

It's a thankless task running this place at the best of times. We are used to that and we know sometimes individuals will feel a bit put out by decisions we make. However we certainly won't delete posts just to protect anybody, that's something we have never done. We have no contact with anybody at a senior level at the club, something I'm sure they are pleased about as well, we aren't exactly flavour of the decade there.

[Chuck Rhoades]

We are certainly not calling the poster a liar. I have to be careful not go in to specifics here but the follow on conversation from that post which was quoted several times made a couple of allegations which we can't allow to stand as they are unsubstantiated. Therefore it all had to go.

It's a thankless task running this place at the best of times. We are used to that and we know sometimes individuals will feel a but put out by decisions we make. However we certainly won't delete posts just to protect anybody, that's something we have never done. We have no contact with anybody at a senior level at the club, something I'm sure they are pleased about as well, we aren't exactly flavour of the decade there.

I understand, appreciate the reply.

[SaulGoodman]

It wasn’t an unsubstantiated allegation. The poster has told his own personal story. The site is essentially calling him liar to seemingly protect the person he’s referring to? There’s nothing even derogatory towards the person in what he said, he’s merely told a story.

They’re not protecting the named person. They’re protecting the site.

[truehibernian]

Given no one knows exactly what stage this enquiry is at internally or judicially I think the admins are indeed being very prudent and considered in deleting posts that may hinder or impede both 👍

Remember there is/are potential complainants/victims involved too and their confidentiality is vital in any process, and despite what’s reported in the media the person named does have rights to fair and proper legal process (regardless of one’s personal opinion on the subject matter reported).

[ionahibby]

Given no one knows exactly what stage this enquiry is at internally or judicially I think the admins are indeed being very prudent and considered in deleting posts that may hinder or impede both 👍

Remember there is/are potential complainants/victims involved too and their confidentiality is vital in any process, and despite what’s reported in the media the person named does have rights to fair and proper legal process (regardless of one’s personal opinion on the subject matter reported).

If hibs.net had a like button then this post would get one.
The admins of this site don’t get enough praise. They do a cracking job.

[Chorley Hibee]

We are certainly not calling the poster a liar. I have to be careful not go in to specifics here but the follow on conversation from that post which was quoted several times made a couple of allegations which we can't allow to stand as they are unsubstantiated. Therefore it all had to go.

It's a thankless task running this place at the best of times. We are used to that and we know sometimes individuals will feel a bit put out by decisions we make. However we certainly won't delete posts just to protect anybody, that's something we have never done. We have no contact with anybody at a senior level at the club, something I'm sure they are pleased about as well, we aren't exactly flavour of the decade there.

The only time my post was quoted was by people asking the content and tone of the conversation that I was involved in.

My post was not once quoted in relation to any salacious, unsubstantiated rumours on Twitter or elsewhere.

Likewise, my post had nothing to do with these rumours and was merely a post on a conversation I had with a club employee regards the state of the club.

I still don't agree with your stance in regards to my post and I don't agree with the explanation provided either.

[Chorley Hibee]

Given no one knows exactly what stage this enquiry is at internally or judicially I think the admins are indeed being very prudent and considered in deleting posts that may hinder or impede both 👍

Remember there is/are potential complainants/victims involved too and their confidentiality is vital in any process, and despite what’s reported in the media the person named does have rights to fair and proper legal process (regardless of one’s personal opinion on the subject matter reported).

My post had nothing to do with Derek White or the claims made against him.

[mcohibs]

Given no one knows exactly what stage this enquiry is at internally or judicially I think the admins are indeed being very prudent and considered in deleting posts that may hinder or impede both 👍

Remember there is/are potential complainants/victims involved too and their confidentiality is vital in any process, and despite what’s reported in the media the person named does have rights to fair and proper legal process (regardless of one’s personal opinion on the subject matter reported).

Agree, however it’s worth noting that the deleted posts had nothing to do with the DW story. Completely separate topic.

[Cat Stanton]

Call me a tw*t if you want, but I refuse to click on the any link taking me to the pernicious Daily Mail's website. So could someone briefly explain what has happened here?

[CropleyWasGod]

Call me a tw*t if you want, but I refuse to click on the any link taking me to the pernicious Daily Mail's website. So could someone briefly explain what has happened here?

How are you with the Sun? :greengrin

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/13862334/hibs-chief-quit-inappropriate-behaviour-young-players-derek-white/

[MelbourneHibees]

Call me a tw*t if you want, but I refuse to click on the any link taking me to the pernicious Daily Mail's website. So could someone briefly explain what has happened here?
Hibs have confirmed that accusations were made against DW inappropriately engaging with a male Hibs player who was at least 18 years old. An investigation was launched but DW resigned anyway. Hibs say there is no suggestion anyone under 18 has been affected.

That's pretty much it from the article.

[K-Zazu]

Wtf is going on at Hibs?

[CropleyWasGod]

Agree, however it’s worth noting that the deleted posts had nothing to do with the DW story. Completely separate topic.

As someone else has suggested, there's an implication that GDPR rules were breached.

[1875M]

What is going on at this club? Does anyone have ANY standards anymore? We’re a laughing stock.

[hibee-boys]

“Hibs Chief”….this guy was a pen pusher on not much more than minimum wage probably. I love how these articles are spun to suggest he held some prominent position at the club.

[B.H.F.C]

“Hibs Chief”….this guy was a pen pusher on not much more than minimum wage probably. I love how these articles are spun to suggest he held some prominent position at the club.

It’s because of the daft job titles that are handed out. To anybody that doesn’t know better, they will see the job title and think he was in some kind of senior role.

[CB Hibs 68]

So in the time the Gordon’s have been in charge we have appointed a sexual predator and someone who by his own admission has made racist comments..We have an utterly inept board, a track record of hiring and firing managers and a fan base that is now so apathetic that we can’t get angry enough to protest against what we can all see is a bloody car crash.After 55 years of supporting Hibs I am near finished.

[Unseen work]

Has there been anything criminal reported if Whyte or just inappropriate behaviour?

[CL0762]

So in the time the Gordon’s have been in charge we have appointed a sexual predator and someone who by his own admission has made racist comments..We have an utterly inept board, a track record of hiring and firing managers and a fan base that is now so apathetic that we can’t get angry enough to protest against what we can all see is a bloody car crash.After 55 years of supporting Hibs I am near finished.

Yet folk like Sue, Colin & Kenny Miller, Tam etc were moved on/forced out of the club despite being the absolute epitome of what you’d want in a supposed community family friendly club.

[marinello59]

Yet folk like Sue, Colin & Kenny Miller, Tam etc were moved on/forced out due to “lack of professionalism”

The way they were treated was a disgrace.

[Paulie Walnuts]

“Hibs Chief”….this guy was a pen pusher on not much more than minimum wage probably. I love how these articles are spun to suggest he held some prominent position at the club.

He wasn’t a chief but he wasn’t a pen pusher either.

He was a senior employee who was responsible for staff etc.

[silverhibee]

Was there anyone else he was grooming or was it the one player who is 18?

Hopefully not too many have been affected.

Glad the club have investigated it though and he’s now left.

From the Sun.

Hibs chief quit amid allegations of inappropriate behaviour with young “players” not player.

Could be more to this.

[CMac1988]

The way they were treated was a disgrace.

Yup. Shameless. Never liked how all of that was handled. Good hibs people that had an affinity with both the players and support and were nothing but great custodians for the club. Compare that to most of the half bakes working throughout the club now... Rock on professionalism...

[silverhibee]

Nice to see who is looking in on this thread at the bottom of the page. :cb

[One Day Soon]

Nice to see who is looking in on this thread at the bottom of the page. :cb

I can’t see that because I’m on a phone just now but I’ve become increasingly convinced that certain senior individuals at the club have been posting on here for some time.

[silverhibee]

Nice to see who is looking in on this thread at the bottom of the page. :cb

And gone as soon as I posted.

[truehibernian]

And gone as soon as I posted.

You know as well as I who lurks SH 🤔 (and how are ya anyway)

But you’ll also know (much better than me) that every club has kept certain incidents in house and they’ve strangely never made the press. I could wax lyrical about very well known players who should have faced criminal charges but their clubs (not ours) kept it very discreet shall we say. And hence wouldn’t post on a public or PM forum.

The only way the media get information is via club fans forums these days - sad but true. True journalism in this country doesn’t exist in Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

The way they were treated was a disgrace.

Exactly, those people were the heartbeat of the club, would go above and beyond for us, but were treated scandelously by Ron Gordon as soon as he got his grubby hands on the club.

And it's got worse day after day, week after week, year after year.:titanic:

[HH81]

Nice to see who is looking in on this thread at the bottom of the page. :cb

Who was it?

I just attend less and less games a year boss, club is a nightmare and just not worth 8/9 hours of travel!

[SickBoy32]

Kensell Kensell GTF

Rat ******* since day1, and has dragged our club down ever since.

[Since452]

What a basket case of a club we are. So sad to see.

[JimBHibees]

Yup. Shameless. Never liked how all of that was handled. Good hibs people that had an affinity with both the players and support and were nothing but great custodians for the club. Compare that to most of the half bakes working throughout the club now... Rock on professionalism...

Can remember John McGinn saying something about the club losing its identity after Tam McCourt passed away

[JimBHibees]

Exactly, those people were the heartbeat of the club, would go above and beyond for us, but were treated scandelously by Ron Gordon as soon as he got his grubby hands on the club.

And it's got worse day after day, week after week, year after year.:titanic:

The heartbeat of the club is a good description and should be treasured not cast aside. Nonsensical decision and then no doubt witter on about developing culture and values when you have just thrown it out the door. Suppose the club would argue covid and needing to make cuts

[Jamesie]

Petrie and Farmer sold the club to these jokers.

And how I wish we still had them in post right now.

[superfurryhibby]

I can’t see that because I’m on a phone just now but I’ve become increasingly convinced that certain senior individuals at the club have been posting on here for some time.

Just say who you think it might be. Looking in at Hibs Net is a trivial matter compared to some of the gossip alluded to here.

[JimBHibees]

Genuinely don’t see that the club has on the face of it done anything wrong here. Appreciate it is open season on Hibs at present but important balance and fairness also.

[Allant1981]

Genuinely don’t see that the club has on the face of it done anything wrong here. Appreciate it is open season on Hibs at present but important balance and fairness also.

Agree, not sure what else they could have done, one employee started sending messages to other employees(won't post the other part I've read as not mentioned in the news article) it was reported to senior management and he was suspended. How could the club stop this from happening?

[flash]

Kensell Kensell GTF

Rat ******* since day1, and has dragged our club down ever since.

Your hatred of him is clearly personal.

[blackpoolhibs]

Genuinely don’t see that the club has on the face of it done anything wrong here. Appreciate it is open season on Hibs at present but important balance and fairness also.
They employed him, i suppose the rumours of previous behaviour at Livi didnt seem to be checked or bothered with by those doing the hiring and firing?

It's just the lacklustre way the club is being run that results in these things happening.

[.Sean.]

Nice to see who is looking in on this thread at the bottom of the page. :cb
Who?

[Callum_62]

Don't know the exact timing but was Jim McCafferty not given a job around the time Petrie had joined? Article says there had been a cloud over his departure from Celtic and allegations reported to the police.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63802787Jim McCafferty had far more"rumors" about him than Derek Whyte that's for sure

I know because I was at Celtic and when Hibs hired him my dad went straight to the club

Who swiftly done nothing

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[Pedantic_Hibee]

I can’t see that because I’m on a phone just now but I’ve become increasingly convinced that certain senior individuals at the club have been posting on here for some time.

Ok, ok, I’ll admit it. I’m Kit Gordon.

[Callum_62]

They employed him, i suppose the rumours of previous behaviour at Livi didnt seem to be checked or bothered with by those doing the hiring and firing?

It's just the lacklustre way the club is being run that results in these things happening.What rumors?

I certainly didnt have any knowledge of it and as posted above when he joined it was mostly being congratulated by journos etc

If true he's obviously a wrong one but im not sure going straight on the attack again all things Hibs (plenty ammo on that anyway) on this one is entirely justified?

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[One Day Soon]

Ok, ok, I’ll admit it. I’m Kit Gordon.

That’s just cover for the fact that you’re actually Ben Kens****all.

[green day]

Genuinely don’t see that the club has on the face of it done anything wrong here. Appreciate it is open season on Hibs at present but important balance and fairness also.

Yep


Agree, not sure what else they could have done, one employee started sending messages to other employees(won't post the other part I've read as not mentioned in the news article) it was reported to senior management and he was suspended. How could the club stop this from happening?

Yep...............but


They employed him, i suppose the rumours of previous behaviour at Livi didnt seem to be checked or bothered with by those doing the hiring and firing?

It's just the lacklustre way the club is being run that results in these things happening.

This is the big issue for a lot of us. Regardless that there was nothing official in his Livi career, there were rumours swirling about this guy before we employed him.

We have cleared out a load of good people from the club and appointed faceless "professionals" with no affinity to Hibs or Leith.

This wouldnt have happened, had someone with a vague clue about Scottish football been part of the process.

I dont advocate us being run like a bowling club, but we have lost our soul.

[One Day Soon]

Yep



Yep...............but



This is the big issue for a lot of us. Regardless that there was nothing official in his Livi career, there were rumours swirling about this guy before we employed him.

We have cleared out a load of good people from the club and appointed faceless "professionals" with no affinity to Hibs or Leith.

This wouldnt have happened, had someone with a vague clue about Scottish football been part of the process.

I dont advocate us being run like a bowling club, but we have lost our soul.

This is a really interesting point. Who at the club, playing or non playing staff, would we say embodies Hibs now? You don’t expect anyone to work for love rather than money but right now you get the impression that almost everyone there is on a gravy train rather than a love train. There’s something intangible missing I think, something relating to the soul and sinews of the club and which should also be a big part of the strength of the relationship between the supporters and the club.

We have moved quite a distance in a short time from feeling like a club reasonably closely connected to the support to a club that feels more like a franchise where the support is expected to turn up, pony up and shut up. That may explain why there is a lot of apathy where there should be a lot of anger.

[easty]

Genuinely don’t see that the club has on the face of it done anything wrong here. Appreciate it is open season on Hibs at present but important balance and fairness also.

Totally agree.

[JimBHibees]

They employed him, i suppose the rumours of previous behaviour at Livi didnt seem to be checked or bothered with by those doing the hiring and firing?

It's just the lacklustre way the club is being run that results in these things happening.

Maybe they hadn’t heard any rumours. I think someone said two local journalists congratulated him on getting Hibs job which probably means they hadn’t heard either. If people had genuine info they should have told the club of their suspicions.

[JimBHibees]

Yep



Yep...............but



This is the big issue for a lot of us. Regardless that there was nothing official in his Livi career, there were rumours swirling about this guy before we employed him.

We have cleared out a load of good people from the club and appointed faceless "professionals" with no affinity to Hibs or Leith.

This wouldnt have happened, had someone with a vague clue about Scottish football been part of the process.

I dont advocate us being run like a bowling club, but we have lost our soul.

Were any of these rumours shared with the club?

[Pagan Hibernia]

Nice to see who is looking in on this thread at the bottom of the page. :cb

Don't be shy! Who was it?

[Iain G]

Yep



Yep...............but



This is the big issue for a lot of us. Regardless that there was nothing official in his Livi career, there were rumours swirling about this guy before we employed him.

We have cleared out a load of good people from the club and appointed faceless "professionals" with no affinity to Hibs or Leith.

This wouldnt have happened, had someone with a vague clue about Scottish football been part of the process.

I dont advocate us being run like a bowling club, but we have lost our soul.

I don't buy this whole thing that every employee of the club needs to support Hibs or be from Leith! That really limits the pool of people to employ 😁

[TrinityHFC]

I don't buy this whole thing that every employee of the club needs to support Hibs or be from Leith! That really limits the pool of people to employ 😁

We were crap when these people were here too. Total nonsense.

[Steve-O]

You might disagree that they bear some responsibility, but it's certainly not "rubbish" about Ron having no experience of running a football club and no affinity to Hibs, Scotland, or Leith.

Pretty sure Ron Gordon had some sort of affinity to Scotland and has been quoted as such when asked why he bought the club.

He made mistakes but I think, generally, he knew what he was doing. I’m not sure those left behind do though.

[Donegal Hibby]

Were any of these rumours shared with the club?

Supposedly according to him he had worked quite closely with Martindale , done work with youth international teams and interviews like this one when at us .. I just wonder where the rumours in circulation at the time or just whispers that most weren’t aware off ….

https://youtu.be/KOfMo_mStE4?si=9KSkDXVCE9JcgDK1

[SickBoy32]

Pretty sure Ron Gordon had some sort of affinity to Scotland and has been quoted as such when asked why he bought the club.

He made mistakes but I think, generally, he knew what he was doing. I’m not sure those left behind do though.

I don’t think he knew what he was doing at all to be honest, other than chasing £.

The appointment of Kensell. (Got to assume the salary for this role wasn’t benchmarked either!?)
The appointment of his son as Head of Recruitment.
The sacking of Jack Ross.

3 absolutely terrible decisions. There’s more than that, but those 3 decisions have led us to where we are today.

[flash]

We were crap when these people were here too. Total nonsense.

And not immune to unsavoury incidents either.

[One Day Soon]

I don't buy this whole thing that every employee of the club needs to support Hibs or be from Leith! That really limits the pool of people to employ 😁

It's not really a choice between having NO-ONE who supports Hibs or is from Leith or EVERYONE having to support Hibs or be from Leith though is it?

Why do we take such delight on those rare occasions when we manage to bring a young Hibs supporting player up through the ranks to make it as a good senior pro? It's partly because we know they have that extra edge of emotional commitment to the club for as long as they are here. There's some degree of trust and deeper bond in that.

[Jock O]

I don’t think he knew what he was doing at all to be honest, other than chasing £.

The appointment of Kensell. (Got to assume the salary for this role wasn’t benchmarked either!?)
The appointment of his son as Head of Recruitment.
The sacking of Jack Ross.

3 absolutely terrible decisions. There’s more than that, but those 3 decisions have led us to where we are today.

Chasing £ by throwing his own money into a bottomless money pit, that often works doesn't it? Just more dirt thrown with absolutely no foundation. Too many people are now relishing the chance to kick harder. If he just wanted to make money there were lots of easier ways for him to do this. The fact he wanted to make money from Hibs ultimately is hardly a crime, what do you think Bill Foley wants, and more importantly what do you think the Investors pulling his strings want. They are quite a different beast. I am convinced virtually no-one would be giving a toss about the the people he got rid of or how he did it if we were a successful unit, with the required professional set up to be where he wanted us to be. Although I am sure Gordon would have learned from this also. The fact we aren't is definitely a failure on the managements part, but I am pretty sure we would have been further down the road if Ron Gordon had survived. We will never know, just seems a bit cheap to be throwing accusations around with him not around to defend it.

I agree Ron Gordon knew what he wanted, exactly. He underestimated what it took to deliver his overall long term vision, e.g. the development team, and underestimated the risk of having football inexperienced people, e.g. Ian, in significant positions. But as a family firm its no surprise he built it round his son. He failed miserably to do that with adequate controls around it, no doubt, and that related to his death has us where we are, I agree. However I have no doubt we would not be this bad if he were here, but like lots of this that's just an opinion. One I think with lots of justification

He admitted he was wrong to sack Ross, he let personal stuff get in way of a business decision, never a good thing. But it's not an unusual thing in American corporate practice, so hopefully like other things Ron would have learnt from this if had been able to be around a bit longer. Which I am sure is most people's biggest regret.

Not sure why Ron is now getting dragged back into all of this other stuff now, other than people are angry, understandable, and people want cheap shots. What has happened here, no matter how little fault Hibs have, is happening at worst time for all, I get that, but we need to have some perspective surely.

[Mcbizz1998]

That guy has always looked like a complete wrong-un.

More embarrassment for the support. Never ending at the moment.

[CL0762]

The way they were treated was a disgrace.

Just for clarity, the words I used in quotations were a direct quote from Ron himself and not in anyway used as a slight against any of those mentioned.

Apologies if it has come across like this as it certainly was not the case.

[Brightside]

I don’t think he knew what he was doing at all to be honest, other than chasing £.

The appointment of Kensell. (Got to assume the salary for this role wasn’t benchmarked either!?)
The appointment of his son as Head of Recruitment.
The sacking of Jack Ross.

3 absolutely terrible decisions. There’s more than that, but those 3 decisions have led us to where we are today.

That doesnt make any sense. The Gordons are losing money every day they have been involved in Hibs.

[marinello59]

Just for clarity, the words I used in quotations were a direct quote from Ron himself and not in anyway used as a slight against any of those mentioned.

Apologies if it has come across like this as it certainly was not the case.

I didn’t take it as a slight against the people mentioned at all. Quite the opposite.

[SickBoy32]

Chasing £ by throwing his own money into a bottomless money pit, that often works doesn't it? Just more dirt thrown with absolutely no foundation. Too many people are now relishing the chance to kick harder. If he just wanted to make money there were lots of easier ways for him to do this. The fact he wanted to make money from Hibs ultimately is hardly a crime, what do you think Bill Foley wants, and more importantly what do you think the Investors pulling his strings want. They are quite a different beast. I am convinced virtually no-one would be giving a toss about the the people he got rid of or how he did it if we were a successful unit, with the required professional set up to be where he wanted us to be. Although I am sure Gordon would have learned from this also. The fact we aren't is definitely a failure on the managements part, but I am pretty sure we would have been further down the road if Ron Gordon had survived. We will never know, just seems a bit cheap to be throwing accusations around with him not around to defend it.

I agree Ron Gordon knew what he wanted, exactly. He underestimated what it took to deliver his overall long term vision, e.g. the development team, and underestimated the risk of having football inexperienced people, e.g. Ian, in significant positions. But as a family firm its no surprise he built it round his son. He failed miserably to do that with adequate controls around it, no doubt, and that related to his death has us where we are, I agree. However I have no doubt we not be this bad if he were here, but like lots of this that's just an opinion. One I think with lots of justification

He admitted he was wrong to sack Ross, he let personal stuff get in way of a business decision, never a good thing. But it's not an unusual thing in American corporate practice, so hopefully like other things Ron would have learnt from this if had been able to be around a bit longer. Which I am sure is most people's biggest regret.

Not sure why Ron is now getting dragged back into all of this other stuff now, other than people are angry, understandable, and people want cheap shots. What has happened here, no matter how little fault Hibs have, is happening at worst time for all, I get that, but we need to have some perspective surely.

Nothing personal or nasty in my remarks. 3 brutal decisions that have harmed the club, to varying degrees.

[SickBoy32]

That doesnt make any sense. The Gordons are losing money every day they have been involved in Hibs.

Their plan has always been about increasing revenue, and in theory feeding this into the team.

However their gross incompetence / negligence, in terms of running the business - has led to expenditure skyrocketing, so they’re losing money through their own mental decisions.

Hopefully they’re fed up of losing money, and get out the club sharpish 👍

[Donegal Hibby]

I don’t think he knew what he was doing at all to be honest, other than chasing £.

The appointment of Kensell. (Got to assume the salary for this role wasn’t benchmarked either!?)
The appointment of his son as Head of Recruitment.
The sacking of Jack Ross.

3 absolutely terrible decisions. There’s more than that, but those 3 decisions have led us to where we are today.

What is the standard salary for someone in Kensell’s position at a club like ours ? ..

I think something like 47% of fans wanted Ross gone too .

[Hibernian Verse]

What is the standard salary for someone in Kensell’s position at a club like ours ? ..

I think something like 47% of fans wanted Ross gone too .

In which poll and how many people were polled?

[SickBoy32]

What is the standard salary for someone in Kensell’s position at a club like ours ? ..

I think something like 47% of fans wanted Ross gone too .

I read the other day that if you combined the salaries of the Hearts and Aberdeen CEOs, that Kensell still earns more.

He’s on close to double what Dempster was on. And instead of winning a Scottish Cup, he has us forfeiting cup ties (and promoting the dafty who was directly responsible😂).

The ringmaster of the ER circus simply has to go.

[Jones28]

I read the other day that if you combined the salaries of the Hearts and Aberdeen CEOs, that Kensell still earns more.

He’s on close to double what Dempster was on. And instead of winning a Scottish Cup, he has us forfeiting cup ties (and promoting the dafty who was directly responsible😂).

The ringmaster of the ER circus simply has to go.

Very well put.

Quite the circus we are running at the moment and there's no prospect of it improving. The track record of decisions is dreadful and what prospect is there of it improving?

£870 odd a day is what Kensall is taking from the club and getting it disastrously wrong to the extent we are staring down the barrel of relegation.

The person at the top simply cannot maintain their position under these circumstances - whether or not we get relagated, and it's not a certainty at the moment but we are not producing the goods.

**** knows where we will be come January but if we don't get out of this mess we will slowly see ourselves cut adrift at the bottom.

How results go over the next month is inconsequential to me, Kensall simply should not be a Hibs employee after this latest fiasco.

[Donegal Hibby]

In which poll and how many people were polled?

There was a poll on here that I looked back on ages ago , can’t remember the percentage of fans that voted but it was quite high in how many wanted him gone in over 40% , not having a go at anyone though it’s something Ron Gordon seems to be blamed for regularly on here even though I don’t think going by the poll it was unanimously a unpopular decision at the time.

[Smartie]

Anyone else slightly uneasy with the "looks like a wrong 'un" chat?

I mean - I get exactly what folk are saying.

But are we meant to be in a position where we take one look at someone and be able to tell that they're likely to be at higher risk of committing certain acts or offences? Is that not a pretty slippery slope to be going down?

[Donegal Hibby]

I read the other day that if you combined the salaries of the Hearts and Aberdeen CEOs, that Kensell still earns more.

He’s on close to double what Dempster was on. And instead of winning a Scottish Cup, he has us forfeiting cup ties (and promoting the dafty who was directly responsible😂).

The ringmaster of the ER circus simply has to go.

I honestly don’t know what someone in Kensell’s position would earn or what the hertz and Aberdeen CEOs earn though I did read ages ago someone say on here that 350k , 360K was about the norm ( they might have been wrong) .. again I don’t know what Dempster was on though I would have thought Kensell’s salary would have taken a significant jump since Dempster was here though.

[Callum_62]

Anyone else slightly uneasy with the "looks like a wrong 'un" chat?

I mean - I get exactly what folk are saying.

But are we meant to be in a position where we take one look at someone and be able to tell that they're likely to be at higher risk of committing certain acts or offences? Is that not a pretty slippery slope to be going down?

It's incredibly poor chat imo

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[GreenPJ]

Very well put.

Quite the circus we are running at the moment and there's no prospect of it improving. The track record of decisions is dreadful and what prospect is there of it improving?

£870 odd a day is what Kensall is taking from the club and getting it disastrously wrong to the extent we are staring down the barrel of relegation.

The person at the top simply cannot maintain their position under these circumstances - whether or not we get relagated, and it's not a certainty at the moment but we are not producing the goods.

**** knows where we will be come January but if we don't get out of this mess we will slowly see ourselves cut adrift at the bottom.

How results go over the next month is inconsequential to me, Kensall simply should not be a Hibs employee after this latest fiasco.

Does anyone actually know how the compensation is made up (how much base, how much bonus)?

[green day]

I don't buy this whole thing that every employee of the club needs to support Hibs or be from Leith! That really limits the pool of people to employ 😁

Thats not what I said.:rolleyes:

But its a fact that we removed some people in key positions who understood the club.

Its not about limiting the pool, but it feels like people have been removed and replaced by some who know nothing about us.

We have had social media people, Hibs TV people - I could go on - who know nothing at all about us.

Compare with a club like Motherwell who do both of these well with staff who actually support them.

[Unseen work]

It's incredibly poor chat imo

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IMO, it also makes me question the rumours at Livi.

I’ve not seen the rumours and can’t remember them being discussed. But was there any credence to them or was it people judging him on how he looks?

It seems odd to me if there were any rumours about this guy that Hibs would hire him and that Livi wouldn’t have sacked him.

Clearly something had happened with us, that whilst doesn’t seem illegal from the little we know - will breach his position of trust and is inappropriate

[overdrive]

IMO, it also makes me question the rumours at Livi.

I’ve not seen the rumours and can’t remember them being discussed. But was there any credence to them or was it people judging him on how he looks?

It seems odd to me if there were any rumours about this guy that Hibs would hire him and that Livi wouldn’t have sacked him.

Clearly something had happened with us, that whilst doesn’t seem illegal from the little we know - will breach his position of trust and is inappropriate

As somebody has mentioned there's journalists congratulating him on the post about him moving from Livi to Hibs. There's Livi players and management (Bartley) congratulating him on the same one. I would have thought they'd have heard any rumours kicking about and wouldn't be so open in their praise of him if that was the case.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I read the other day that if you combined the salaries of the Hearts and Aberdeen CEOs, that Kensell still earns more.

He’s on close to double what Dempster was on. And instead of winning a Scottish Cup, he has us forfeiting cup ties (and promoting the dafty who was directly responsible😂).

The ringmaster of the ER circus simply has to go.

That’s correct. Hearts and Aberdeen combined pay their Chief Executives £315k to our £351k to Ben Kensell. Dempster earned around £168k in her final year here. This figure was actually a reduction from her previous year which was about £207k. So the Gordon’s came in and reduced her salary by about 25% only to appoint Kensell into post on ludicrous sums of money.

The most recent accounts from Hearts indicate that the entirety of Hearts directors earn £284k combined, with the highest earner (included in the previous figure) earning £175k.

Aberdeen appear to be £315k combined with the highest earning director earning £140k.

Meanwhile at Hibs, our total is £398k combined with the highest paid director (who is noted as being the Chief Executive and this figure is included in the previous figure) earning £351,818.

[easty]

Thats not what I said.:rolleyes:

But its a fact that we removed some people in key positions who understood the club.

Its not about limiting the pool, but it feels like people have been removed and replaced by some who know nothing about us.

We have had social media people, Hibs TV people - I could go on - who know nothing at all about us.

Compare with a club like Motherwell who do both of these well with staff who actually support them.

I don't think I'd ever seen any social media from Motherwell, but I've looked up their Twitter and Tiktok just now, it's not really any different to ours? :dunno:

[Stokesy's on fire]

Anyone else slightly uneasy with the "looks like a wrong 'un" chat?

I mean - I get exactly what folk are saying.

But are we meant to be in a position where we take one look at someone and be able to tell that they're likely to be at higher risk of committing certain acts or offences? Is that not a pretty slippery slope to be going down?


Yes it's poor to judge anyone based on appearance unless of course that person is stevie Fulton.

[GreenGray]

This is a really interesting point. Who at the club, playing or non playing staff, would we say embodies Hibs now? You don’t expect anyone to work for love rather than money but right now you get the impression that almost everyone there is on a gravy train rather than a love train. There’s something intangible missing I think, something relating to the soul and sinews of the club and which should also be a big part of the strength of the relationship between the supporters and the club.

We have moved quite a distance in a short time from feeling like a club reasonably closely connected to the support to a club that feels more like a franchise where the support is expected to turn up, pony up and shut up. That may explain why there is a lot of apathy where there should be a lot of anger.

No one, Ron Gordon cleared everyone out with any connection to the club and replaced them with corporate people. Football clubs are ran differently to businesses so unfortunately this has been a disaster.

[GreenGray]

We were crap when these people were here too. Total nonsense.

Crap on the pitch maybe, but no one can deny that the club has not been quite so disconnected from the fan base for a while. All that good will and feeling post 2016 has been eradicated.

[Unseen work]

Crap on the pitch maybe, but no one can deny that the club has not been quite so disconnected from the fan base for a while. All that good will and feeling post 2016 has been eradicated.

Whilst I get what you’re saying.

If social media was as prevalent in 2010-2014 fans would have been saying the same about disconnect etc with those people in place

Folk like Tam etc are clearly the heart and sole of the club, but it’s rarely seen by the fans

There is probably still plenty of good people at the club we don’t hear about

[easty]

Crap on the pitch maybe, but no one can deny that the club has not been quite so disconnected from the fan base for a while. All that good will and feeling post 2016 has been eradicated.

I cannae be the only Hibs fan who really couldnae give a **** about a connection with the people running the club?

I don't need to like the guy who organises the transport to and from games. I don't care if the person in charge of scouting is a Hibs fan. I don't care if the CEO is a twat.

I just want a winning Hibs team.

[Unseen work]

I cannae be the only Hibs fan who really couldnae give a **** about a connection with the people running the club?

I don't need to like the guy who organises the transport to and from games. I don't care if the person in charge of scouting is a Hibs fan. I don't care if the CEO is a twat.

I just want a winning Hibs team.

Your last line - that is what creates a connection between fans and the club

[GreenGray]

I cannae be the only Hibs fan who really couldnae give a **** about a connection with the people running the club?

I don't need to like the guy who organises the transport to and from games. I don't care if the person in charge of scouting is a Hibs fan. I don't care if the CEO is a twat.

I just want a winning Hibs team.

It all matters though, doesn’t it?

This forum has been littered with people complaining about decisions Hibs have made recently or the way things are run.

Football is becoming more corporate now, so perhaps it is needed to move with the times, I just thing it is pretty bleak.

You hear Michael Stewart going on about standards and he spoke about some of the rumours he had heard, not sure how much truth is in them. I don’t believe things like that happen if you have competent people who care about the club working there rather than corporate thinking staff who care about little else other than money and don’t have a connection with the place.


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[easty]

Your last line - that is what creates a connection between fans and the club

I already have a connection with Hibs as a club. That's never changing.

I just don't need to have a connection with the guys doing the non-football jobs I'm not interested in.

[easty]

It all matters though, doesn’t it?

This forum has been littered with people complaining about decisions Hibs have made recently or the way things are run.

Football is becoming more corporate now, so perhaps it is needed to move with the times, I just thing it is pretty bleak.

You hear Michael Stewart going on about standards and he spoke about some of the rumours he had heard, not sure how much truth is in them. I don’t believe things like that happen if you have competent people who care about the club working there rather than corporate thinking staff who care about little else other than money and don’t have a connection with the place.


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I complain about us being poorly run all the time. I want competent people to be doing the jobs they're employed to do, so that we can improve.

I just don't care about the "connection" between fans and those running things. Appoint better managers, appoint better scouting people. That's as much of a connection as I need with Ben Kensell.

Michael Stewart is a fud. For whatever reason, he's talking sense to some Hibs fans just now, give it a few months and he'll say something that the same Hibs fans disagree with and he'll be back to being a slaver.

[Unseen work]

I already have a connection with Hibs as a club. That's never changing.

I just don't need to have a connection with the guys doing the non-football jobs I'm not interested in.

No I know that, but I’m saying that I don’t think many things create a better connection than a winning team

We can have the best owners, best people behind the scene etc etc. fans do not care about that unless the team is winning

[easty]

No I know that, but I’m saying that I don’t think many things create a better connection than a winning team

We can have the best owners, best people behind the scene etc etc. fans do not care about that unless the team is winning

:agree:

[CL0762]

I didn’t take it as a slight against the people mentioned at all. Quite the opposite.

Wasn’t aimed at you - more that for anyone who reads it I just wanted to clarify what I had meant.

[SHODAN]

I cannae be the only Hibs fan who really couldnae give a **** about a connection with the people running the club?

I don't need to like the guy who organises the transport to and from games. I don't care if the person in charge of scouting is a Hibs fan. I don't care if the CEO is a twat.

I just want a winning Hibs team.

Thank god we're winning games then or it really would be a crisis.

[Jones28]

No I know that, but I’m saying that I don’t think many things create a better connection than a winning team

We can have the best owners, best people behind the scene etc etc. fans do not care about that unless the team is winning

Agree with this to an extent, especially the point about a winning team on the park.

I do feel at the moment like the club is changing for the worse and the people involved are so bland and faceless. Thats just my perception.

Ian Gordon did those interviews in the summer but has been absent ever since, we don't have a clear picture of the structure and how it's changing with the involvement of the BK group, mistakes are being made all over the place, we have lurched between strategies and we are bottom of the league.

Nothing is going right at the moment, good things have happened over the last few years but none of these have resulted in a winning, successful team.

Your point about a winning team is bang on though, if we were 3rd or 4th no one would be talking about these issues, or at the very least there would be a thread with 10 posts around this with most of them praising the club for the way it has handled the situation.

When it rains it pours and until things on the pitch go right the club will be struggling to engage the support.

[Pretty Boy]

I think there is an element of cumulative effect going on with regards to the current situation. In isolation and/or if we were doing well then people would be rightly disgusted with the behaviour but might be more inclined to try and mitigate Hibs role in it. However when it becomes just another embarrassment to add to a bad week, month, year then it's easy to see the worst in things.

That cumulative effect is huge though. Hibs are toxic right now, the relationship with the fanbase is toxic, certain people within the club are toxic and it's reached the point of irretrievable breakdown; every issue big or small is scrutinised and magnified. Even a small uplift in form won't placate many now, as soon as we hit a bad patch it will be open season again. I'm 100% including myself in that group btw, I'm so sick and tired of Hibs right now I don't think much less than wholesale changes in the key positions would appease me.

In regard to 'Hibs people' at the club I don't think being a Hibs fan is a key requirement although it may be a nice bonus; what should be a key attribute should be competence and that seems lacking across the board. We have close to doubled our staffing levels in 5 years and given a lot of people inflated Linkedin bull**** job titles (see Derek White) but we don't seem massively more competently run. The fact certain people who left their positions with little acknowledgement despite giving years of service didn't help, it came across as cold and out of touch. Turnover is certainly up but we are hemorrhaging money, even those seeking to defend the current situation admit this to be the case. I'd also add that off field achievements such as building a stadium from scratch or a training centre likewise were rarely accepted as a defence for Pertrie and Farmer when things were bad on the park so I'm not sure why tarted up hospitality and a downgraded clubstore should be for Gordon and Kensell.

People may argue otherwise but the general trend between winning the Scottish Cup and before Kensell arrived about a year post takeover (and I'm not exclusively laying the blame at his door but it's notable) was upwards. We won the Championship, we saw record ST sales which were maintained for quite some time afterwards and continue to be a legacy today albeit the evidence of the eyes in the stadium suggests that is eroding, we posted our record points total in the Premier League, we followed that up with a down season but still finished 5th, we reached 5 semi finals and a final and we followed up the covid halted season by finishing 3rd and looked back on track and on an upward trajectory. We also had sellable assets in Porteous, Doig and Nisbet. Since then we have finished 8th, 5th and 8th and currently sit bottom of the table, we have had only 2 semi finals and a final but have also been emptied in the LC group stages and exited both the SC and LC at the earliest knockout stage and we have no really saleable assets. It's almost like a masterclass in how not to run a football club. The arrogant proclamations of 'trust the process' when there is no tangible proof of success or even progress are alienating, aloof and dismissive of valid concerns. The chairman basically dismissing criticism of the running of the club as the words of ungrateful idiots was hardly a helpful intervention either.

It's a mess. I don't think may people really believe it's not a mess. Bottom of the league, rookie coach, poor squad, disenchanted fan base, rookie owner..........It's not a huge surprise that we have got here either, it's felt inevitable for about 18 months now. Hopefully there is something in the rumours of big changes and we can all move on with a clean slate.

[Jock O]

No one, Ron Gordon cleared everyone out with any connection to the club and replaced them with corporate people. Football clubs are ran differently to businesses so unfortunately this has been a disaster.


Do you really think clubs at top end of spectrum are run differently to businesses? I get the argument we are nowhere near that top end, but I suspect most clubs of any sort of decent size are incredibly professional in their set up, so again to me its not the idea that is the problem, its the execution, and probably Ron Gordon trying to do things just too fast. I suppose arguably at a club like Hibs there should be room for both, but again I can see totally where he was going. I assume the Foundation work is done mostly by local people with some connection to Hibs?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not going to quote it but excellent post Pretty Boy :agree:

[GreenGray]

Do you really think clubs at top end of spectrum are run differently to businesses? I get the argument we are nowhere near that top end, but I suspect most clubs of any sort of decent size are incredibly professional in their set up, so again to me its not the idea that is the problem, its the execution, and probably Ron Gordon trying to do things just too fast. I suppose arguably at a club like Hibs there should be room for both, but again I can see totally where he was going. I assume the Foundation work is done mostly by local people with some connection to Hibs?

I am not sure whether they are or not, I just think they should be ran differently.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Do you really think clubs at top end of spectrum are run differently to businesses? I get the argument we are nowhere near that top end, but I suspect most clubs of any sort of decent size are incredibly professional in their set up, so again to me its not the idea that is the problem, its the execution, and probably Ron Gordon trying to do things just too fast. I suppose arguably at a club like Hibs there should be room for both, but again I can see totally where he was going. I assume the Foundation work is done mostly by local people with some connection to Hibs?

I think there's an argument to be made that we were underselling ourselves before the Gordon regime. Most people wouldn't really have minded that because the product on the park in the 5 years prior to Ron's arrival were decent but there is absolutely room for both.

It's why, when discussions about the Gordons disastrous tenure come up, I can never understand why stuff like the upgraded hospitality, commercial deals etc are thrown in as a stick to beat them with, as if this is partly responsible for a decline on the pitch? What has one got to do with the other? The football department has failed massively but the commercial side hasn't and we will need that extra revenue if we are to see changes.

[Lago]

Agree, not sure what else they could have done, one employee started sending messages to other employees(won't post the other part I've read as not mentioned in the news article) it was reported to senior management and he was suspended. How could the club stop this from happening?
It's another stick to beat the club with, a golden opportunity for some.

[Trinity Hibee]

It's another stick to beat the club with, a golden opportunity for some.

The Club are just setting them up

[Hibeesforever]

I think there's an argument to be made that we were underselling ourselves before the Gordon regime. Most people wouldn't really have minded that because the product on the park in the 5 years prior to Ron's arrival were decent but there is absolutely room for both.

It's why, when discussions about the Gordons disastrous tenure come up, I can never understand why stuff like the upgraded hospitality, commercial deals etc are thrown in as a stick to beat them with, as if this is partly responsible for a decline on the pitch? What has one got to do with the other? The football department has failed massively but the commercial side hasn't and we will need that extra revenue if we are to see changes.

I think the problem is the debt built up and fact hospitality will drop off a cliff once the novelty has worn off....leaving the club and fans carrying the can...

[Stairway 2 7]

Anyone else slightly uneasy with the "looks like a wrong 'un" chat?

I mean - I get exactly what folk are saying.

But are we meant to be in a position where we take one look at someone and be able to tell that they're likely to be at higher risk of committing certain acts or offences? Is that not a pretty slippery slope to be going down?

Agreed absolutely awful comment.

[Edinburgh Green]

I think the problem is the debt built up and fact hospitality will drop off a cliff once the novelty has worn off....leaving the club and fans carrying the can...

Not sure I agree with the novelty wearing off, it will however be linked to how well the team is doing.

[Crutch]

Not going to quote it but excellent post Pretty Boy :agree:
Likewise, bang on.

[percy veer]

I complain about us being poorly run all the time. I want competent people to be doing the jobs they're employed to do, so that we can improve.

I just don't care about the "connection" between fans and those running things. Appoint better managers, appoint better scouting people. That's as much of a connection as I need with Ben Kensell.

Michael Stewart is a fud. For whatever reason, he's talking sense to some Hibs fans just now, give it a few months and he'll say something that the same Hibs fans disagree with and he'll be back to being a slaver.


only about a couple of months ago michael stewart was praising the club for sorting out the football side of things appointing malky mackay

[Since452]

Can't agree with those saying the club haven't done anything wrong. If I was being a creep then I'd expect a prospective employer to pick up on it. Especially if it was all over social media. If it was a one off then maybe, just maybe you could see past it but it's the latest in a long, long line of **** ups under this regime and it screams incompetence. Absolutely sick to the back teeth of the people running the club.

[.Sean.]

Likewise, bang on.
As always, best poster on here by a mile

[eastmainsmsh]

I’m sure he played for Livi on youth set up don’t want to comment but we could do without this

[ChuckNor]

Pretty Boy’s post. Nail and head.

[CapitalGreen]

Can't agree with those saying the club haven't done anything wrong. If I was being a creep then I'd expect a prospective employer to pick up on it. Especially if it was all over social media. If it was a one off then maybe, just maybe you could see past it but it's the latest in a long, long line of **** ups under this regime and it screams incompetence. Absolutely sick to the back teeth of the people running the club.

Is there any evidence this was the case? Should be pretty easy to find historical social media posts if it was, I certainly don’t remember it being mentioned on this social media site at the time of his appointment.

[One Day Soon]

I think there is an element of cumulative effect going on with regards to the current situation. In isolation and/or if we were doing well then people would be rightly disgusted with the behaviour but might be more inclined to try and mitigate Hibs role in it. However when it becomes just another embarrassment to add to a bad week, month, year then it's easy to see the worst in things.

That cumulative effect is huge though. Hibs are toxic right now, the relationship with the fanbase is toxic, certain people within the club are toxic and it's reached the point of irretrievable breakdown; every issue big or small is scrutinised and magnified. Even a small uplift in form won't placate many now, as soon as we hit a bad patch it will be open season again. I'm 100% including myself in that group btw, I'm so sick and tired of Hibs right now I don't think much less than wholesale changes in the key positions would appease me.

In regard to 'Hibs people' at the club I don't think being a Hibs fan is a key requirement although it may be a nice bonus; what should be a key attribute should be competence and that seems lacking across the board. We have close to doubled our staffing levels in 5 years and given a lot of people inflated Linkedin bull**** job titles (see Derek White) but we don't seem massively more competently run. The fact certain people who left their positions with little acknowledgement despite giving years of service didn't help, it came across as cold and out of touch. Turnover is certainly up but we are hemorrhaging money, even those seeking to defend the current situation admit this to be the case. I'd also add that off field achievements such as building a stadium from scratch or a training centre likewise were rarely accepted as a defence for Pertrie and Farmer when things were bad on the park so I'm not sure why tarted up hospitality and a downgraded clubstore should be for Gordon and Kensell.

People may argue otherwise but the general trend between winning the Scottish Cup and before Kensell arrived about a year post takeover (and I'm not exclusively laying the blame at his door but it's notable) was upwards. We won the Championship, we saw record ST sales which were maintained for quite some time afterwards and continue to be a legacy today albeit the evidence of the eyes in the stadium suggests that is eroding, we posted our record points total in the Premier League, we followed that up with a down season but still finished 5th, we reached 5 semi finals and a final and we followed up the covid halted season by finishing 3rd and looked back on track and on an upward trajectory. We also had sellable assets in Porteous, Doig and Nisbet. Since then we have finished 8th, 5th and 8th and currently sit bottom of the table, we have had only 2 semi finals and a final but have also been emptied in the LC group stages and exited both the SC and LC at the earliest knockout stage and we have no really saleable assets. It's almost like a masterclass in how not to run a football club. The arrogant proclamations of 'trust the process' when there is no tangible proof of success or even progress are alienating, aloof and dismissive of valid concerns. The chairman basically dismissing criticism of the running of the club as the words of ungrateful idiots was hardly a helpful intervention either.

It's a mess. I don't think may people really believe it's not a mess. Bottom of the league, rookie coach, poor squad, disenchanted fan base, rookie owner..........It's not a huge surprise that we have got here either, it's felt inevitable for about 18 months now. Hopefully there is something in the rumours of big changes and we can all move on with a clean slate.


I mean, let's not spend the money on banners. Instead let's do that projection on to the side of a building thing. From flats next to the ground on to the stands. And what we should project is the text above, on repeat at every home game, until something changes.

[Lago]

I think there is an element of cumulative effect going on with regards to the current situation. In isolation and/or if we were doing well then people would be rightly disgusted with the behaviour but might be more inclined to try and mitigate Hibs role in it. However when it becomes just another embarrassment to add to a bad week, month, year then it's easy to see the worst in things.

That cumulative effect is huge though. Hibs are toxic right now, the relationship with the fanbase is toxic, certain people within the club are toxic and it's reached the point of irretrievable breakdown; every issue big or small is scrutinised and magnified. Even a small uplift in form won't placate many now, as soon as we hit a bad patch it will be open season again. I'm 100% including myself in that group btw, I'm so sick and tired of Hibs right now I don't think much less than wholesale changes in the key positions would appease me.

In regard to 'Hibs people' at the club I don't think being a Hibs fan is a key requirement although it may be a nice bonus; what should be a key attribute should be competence and that seems lacking across the board. We have close to doubled our staffing levels in 5 years and given a lot of people inflated Linkedin bull**** job titles (see Derek White) but we don't seem massively more competently run. The fact certain people who left their positions with little acknowledgement despite giving years of service didn't help, it came across as cold and out of touch. Turnover is certainly up but we are hemorrhaging money, even those seeking to defend the current situation admit this to be the case. I'd also add that off field achievements such as building a stadium from scratch or a training centre likewise were rarely accepted as a defence for Pertrie and Farmer when things were bad on the park so I'm not sure why tarted up hospitality and a downgraded clubstore should be for Gordon and Kensell.

People may argue otherwise but the general trend between winning the Scottish Cup and before Kensell arrived about a year post takeover (and I'm not exclusively laying the blame at his door but it's notable) was upwards. We won the Championship, we saw record ST sales which were maintained for quite some time afterwards and continue to be a legacy today albeit the evidence of the eyes in the stadium suggests that is eroding, we posted our record points total in the Premier League, we followed that up with a down season but still finished 5th, we reached 5 semi finals and a final and we followed up the covid halted season by finishing 3rd and looked back on track and on an upward trajectory. We also had sellable assets in Porteous, Doig and Nisbet. Since then we have finished 8th, 5th and 8th and currently sit bottom of the table, we have had only 2 semi finals and a final but have also been emptied in the LC group stages and exited both the SC and LC at the earliest knockout stage and we have no really saleable assets. It's almost like a masterclass in how not to run a football club. The arrogant proclamations of 'trust the process' when there is no tangible proof of success or even progress are alienating, aloof and dismissive of valid concerns. The chairman basically dismissing criticism of the running of the club as the words of ungrateful idiots was hardly a helpful intervention either.

It's a mess. I don't think may people really believe it's not a mess. Bottom of the league, rookie coach, poor squad, disenchanted fan base, rookie owner..........It's not a huge surprise that we have got here either, it's felt inevitable for about 18 months now. Hopefully there is something in the rumours of big changes and we can all move on with a clean slate.
As they say now a days, it's all about the optics.

[green day]

I mean, let's not spend the money on banners. Instead let's do that projection on to the side of a building thing. From flats next to the ground on to the stands. And what we should project is the text above, on repeat at every home game, until something changes.

Actually, thats a pretty neat idea.

A bit like the Led By Donkeys guys do.

[SetonClapper]

I'm not doubting you or looking for an argument, but I've seen a few times that we are "haemorrhaging money" and I genuinely have no idea on what. Is it primarily on squad fillers, who are contributing nothing or something more serious with the clubs finances?


I think there is an element of cumulative effect going on with regards to the current situation. In isolation and/or if we were doing well then people would be rightly disgusted with the behaviour but might be more inclined to try and mitigate Hibs role in it. However when it becomes just another embarrassment to add to a bad week, month, year then it's easy to see the worst in things.

That cumulative effect is huge though. Hibs are toxic right now, the relationship with the fanbase is toxic, certain people within the club are toxic and it's reached the point of irretrievable breakdown; every issue big or small is scrutinised and magnified. Even a small uplift in form won't placate many now, as soon as we hit a bad patch it will be open season again. I'm 100% including myself in that group btw, I'm so sick and tired of Hibs right now I don't think much less than wholesale changes in the key positions would appease me.

In regard to 'Hibs people' at the club I don't think being a Hibs fan is a key requirement although it may be a nice bonus; what should be a key attribute should be competence and that seems lacking across the board. We have close to doubled our staffing levels in 5 years and given a lot of people inflated Linkedin bull**** job titles (see Derek White) but we don't seem massively more competently run. The fact certain people who left their positions with little acknowledgement despite giving years of service didn't help, it came across as cold and out of touch. Turnover is certainly up but we are hemorrhaging money, even those seeking to defend the current situation admit this to be the case. I'd also add that off field achievements such as building a stadium from scratch or a training centre likewise were rarely accepted as a defence for Pertrie and Farmer when things were bad on the park so I'm not sure why tarted up hospitality and a downgraded clubstore should be for Gordon and Kensell.

People may argue otherwise but the general trend between winning the Scottish Cup and before Kensell arrived about a year post takeover (and I'm not exclusively laying the blame at his door but it's notable) was upwards. We won the Championship, we saw record ST sales which were maintained for quite some time afterwards and continue to be a legacy today albeit the evidence of the eyes in the stadium suggests that is eroding, we posted our record points total in the Premier League, we followed that up with a down season but still finished 5th, we reached 5 semi finals and a final and we followed up the covid halted season by finishing 3rd and looked back on track and on an upward trajectory. We also had sellable assets in Porteous, Doig and Nisbet. Since then we have finished 8th, 5th and 8th and currently sit bottom of the table, we have had only 2 semi finals and a final but have also been emptied in the LC group stages and exited both the SC and LC at the earliest knockout stage and we have no really saleable assets. It's almost like a masterclass in how not to run a football club. The arrogant proclamations of 'trust the process' when there is no tangible proof of success or even progress are alienating, aloof and dismissive of valid concerns. The chairman basically dismissing criticism of the running of the club as the words of ungrateful idiots was hardly a helpful intervention either.

It's a mess. I don't think may people really believe it's not a mess. Bottom of the league, rookie coach, poor squad, disenchanted fan base, rookie owner..........It's not a huge surprise that we have got here either, it's felt inevitable for about 18 months now. Hopefully there is something in the rumours of big changes and we can all move on with a clean slate.

[ELHibernian]

I mean, let's not spend the money on banners. Instead let's do that projection on to the side of a building thing. From flats next to the ground on to the stands. And what we should project is the text above, on repeat at every home game, until something changes.

Would happily donate

[J-C]

Can't agree with those saying the club haven't done anything wrong. If I was being a creep then I'd expect a prospective employer to pick up on it. Especially if it was all over social media. If it was a one off then maybe, just maybe you could see past it but it's the latest in a long, long line of **** ups under this regime and it screams incompetence. Absolutely sick to the back teeth of the people running the club.

He applies for a job at Hibs and we ask Livingston for references, nothing untoward comes back, he's interviewed and job given. Roll on a wee while and allegations of inappropriate behaviour comes out and we set up an internal enquiry, White leaves before being fired. Apart from hindsight, Hibs have done everything above board and by the book.

[Smartie]

I still think we'll need to wait for a whole lot more info to be in the public domain (which it might never do) before we can say for sure whether Hibs deserve to be slaughtered, completely exonerated, or somewhere in between on this whole affair.

[superfurryhibby]

He applies for a job at Hibs and we ask Livingston for references, nothing untoward comes back, he's interviewed and job given. Roll on a wee while and allegations of inappropriate behaviour comes out and we set up an internal enquiry, White leaves before being fired. Apart from hindsight, Hibs have done everything above board and by the book.

I suspect this is the case.

People referring to social media etc, I would be amazed if no one on here had picked up on it at the time of White's employment at Hibs. Another stick with which to beat the club. This thread is now past being embarrassing.

I'm as pissed off at the club's footballing performance as the next fan, but I'm also getting sick to the back teeth of people who are revelling in pish on here.

Aside from the deep undercover lurkers, who's obvious duty it is to fuel discontent, there's a whole host of folk who seem just desperate to out do each other in the total misery stakes. Maybe a modicum of restraint required fellow Hibernians?

[andrew70]

He applies for a job at Hibs and we ask Livingston for references, nothing untoward comes back, he's interviewed and job given. Roll on a wee while and allegations of inappropriate behaviour comes out and we set up an internal enquiry, White leaves before being fired. Apart from hindsight, Hibs have done everything above board and by the book.

spot on

[007]

Creepy wee **** should've been nowhere near us. Stuff was all over Twitter for his time at Livi before we employed him.

I've not been able find anything about it on Twitter, which is strange because it's not as if Twitter do much, if any, moderating and delete such things.

[Unseen work]

I've not been able find anything about it on Twitter, which is strange because it's not as if Twitter do much, if any, moderating and delete such things.

I’ve not went looking for them but I can’t recall any rumours about him whatsoever from when he joined

Hibs are a lot of things right now.

But hiring someone who there are rumours about him being inappropriate to younger players? Can’t see it

[K-Zazu]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/13867042/hibs-chief-creepy-texts-young-players-nightclub-bum-grope/amp/

[JohnM1875]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/13867042/hibs-chief-creepy-texts-young-players-nightclub-bum-grope/amp/

Of course there is and will be more to it. The wee creep should've been nowhere near our club. Reported to the relevant authorities now though.

[WestStandWillie]

I feel so bad for the player who’s had to endure getting touched up by creepy breeks.

White should never work in football again. Odious ****

[Unseen work]

Sound like the club handled it well

[superfurryhibby]

Of course there is and will be more to it. The wee creep should've been nowhere near our club. Reported to the relevant authorities now though.

For anyone wondering, don't bother reading it. There's nothing about allegations whilst at Livingston.

"But it’s now emerged he’s been accused of touching the Hibs starlet at an official club bash and also allegedly sent late-night messages to under-21 stars.

Last night a source told how players and club staff were shocked by his “overnight” departure.

The insider said: “All the problems started after a complaint was made about Derek squeezing a younger player's bum.

“It was claimed that the alleged incident happened after the player of the year award night"

[Tyler Durden]

Of course there is and will be more to it. The wee creep should've been nowhere near our club. Reported to the relevant authorities now though.

Which authorities? Reported by whom?

[JohnM1875]

Which authorities? Reported by whom?

It was in the Sun article.

"The Scottish Sun understands that White’s alleged actions have been reported to the relevant authorities.

But it is understood that a complaint has not been made to Police Scotland."

[Tyler Durden]

It was in the Sun article.

"The Scottish Sun understands that White’s alleged actions have been reported to the relevant authorities.

But it is understood that a complaint has not been made to Police Scotland."

Ahh see that now - Hibs spokesperson confirming that. Just not clear who that would be tbh.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sound like the club handled it well

:agree:

It’s *****, it’s another sorry day at the club, of which there’s been far too many recently, but I’m not convinced, based on what’s been released in the media at least, that we could have done more.

[Murphys Touch]

He applies for a job at Hibs and we ask Livingston for references, nothing untoward comes back, he's interviewed and job given. Roll on a wee while and allegations of inappropriate behaviour comes out and we set up an internal enquiry, White leaves before being fired. Apart from hindsight, Hibs have done everything above board and by the book.

He lost a van, mucked up the Rocky contract situation and was blamed for getting us thrown out the league cup.

And he got a summer job promotion. (And IF this incident was at the POTY night that was before summer).

We are rewarding failure….no wonder extreme behaviour has eventually come out

[Smartie]

He lost a van, mucked up the Rocky contract situation and was blamed for getting us thrown out the league cup.

And he got a summer job promotion. (And IF this incident was at the POTY night that was before summer).

We are rewarding failure….no wonder extreme behaviour has eventually come out

Lost a van?

[Jones28]

He lost a van, mucked up the Rocky contract situation and was blamed for getting us thrown out the league cup.

And he got a summer job promotion. (And IF this incident was at the POTY night that was before summer).

We are rewarding failure….no wonder extreme behaviour has eventually come out

He lost a van?

[One Day Soon]

Lost a van?

How the **** do you 'lose a van'?

[Jones28]

How the **** do you 'lose a van'?

Could be autocorrect? Leased a van?

[lyonhibs]

Did I read it right that he's 24 years old?!? What the hell was a 24 year old doing being head of Football Operations at Hibernian FC??? :confused:

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Did I read it right that he's 24 years old?!? What the hell was a 24 year old doing being head of Football Operations at Hibernian FC??? :confused:

He is yes


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[007]

Could be autocorrect? Leased a van?

It's a list of f*** ups so is more likely to be 'lost' than 'leased', bizarre though that is.

Here's hoping we hear how a van got lost. Will be disappointed if it was just a big car park with lots of similar looking vans.

[Brightside]

Did I read it right that he's 24 years old?!? What the hell was a 24 year old doing being head of Football Operations at Hibernian FC??? :confused:

It’s a fancy title for admin clerk.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

It's a list of f*** ups so is more likely to be 'lost' than 'leased', bizarre though that is.

Here's hoping we hear how a van got lost. Will be disappointed if it was just a big car park with lots of similar looking vans.

That would be mental in its own way as well though, surely you’d just use the key to unlock the van and see which ones lights turn on?


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[Onceinawhile]

Did I read it right that he's 24 years old?!? What the hell was a 24 year old doing being head of Football Operations at Hibernian FC??? :confused:

Did the job relatively well for another team in our league for three years.

I'd love to know more about this van thing. How do you lose a van ffs?!?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

How the **** do you 'lose a van'?

Twiggy managed to do it on The Royle Family. 🤭

[SHODAN]

I need to know how he lost a van

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s a fancy title for admin clerk.

It’s not. He had staff as far as I’m lead to believe?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Also, need more on the van story.

[Trinity Hibee]

A ****ing VAN 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Please someone elaborate! Fictional stories also welcome

[Stuart93]

When we were abroad on our training camp he parked a team bus/van in a disabled bay which ended up getting towed

Is what I remember reading/being told at the time

I was sure I read it on here though

[Trinity Hibee]

When we were abroad on our training camp he parked a team bus/van in a disabled bay which ended up getting towed

😂😂😂 howling!!!

[SHODAN]

When we were abroad on our training camp he parked a team bus/van in a disabled bay which ended up getting towed

Is when I remember reading/being told at the time

I was sure I read it on here though

In hindsight that is pretty funny.

[Pretty Boy]

Without wishing to trivialise a sorry episode 'lost a van' is some welcome comedy relief.

[Paulie Walnuts]

😂

[Stokesy's on fire]

Also, need more on the van story.

Maybe he took advice from Nicola sturgeon?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Twiggy managed to do it on The Royle Family. [emoji2960]

Corporal Gary McLintoch lost a tank at a motorway services, anything is possible.


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