Joe Newell - Abysmal Captain.

[RossScott1991]

Pathetic captain. To me he sums up the state of Hibs and the steady decline the last few years. The heartbeat of mostly… p1sh. Chosen by every manager to play week in and week out and has churned out the same average performances for years now.

The next successful Hibs manager will be the one who finally moves on from him and builds a team around someone else. There are other senior players that time is up at the club and should be moved on so we can try get out this same rut every season (Boyle and Campbell to name two)

I’m singling out Newell as he is the captain and is sadly every managers automatic first name on the team sheet.

We need a strong leader to root out these losers and not give them opportunity to throw them under a bus starting with Joe Newell.

Never drives the team on and finds himself walking tightrope most games with constant bookings.

I long for the day a Hibs midfield no longer has his name on the team sheet.

[davym7062]

hes just crap mate,,, slept with a footballer

[RossScott1991]

‘Best midfielder’ at the club has been the main defence for him. Sadly in a time we’ve had probably one of the our biggest spells of rotten CMs every year

[Pretty Boy]

He's yet another player often described as 'the least of our problems' and that is exactly the problem in a nutshell.

[CapitalGreen]

“Lucky to have him.”

“Least of our problems.”

“I was speaking to someone who supports a rival and they say he is our best player.”

“Just needs better players around him.”

[truehibernian]

He’s a very very poor midfielder and no one, no one, can possibly justify 4/5 seasons of complete and utter mediocrity and zero evidence where he’s completely influenced a series of games in succession. A very safe footballer, doesn’t take risks, doesn’t drive or create regularly, and has been an incredibly over rated player in a horrible succession of squads - never mind captain, he shouldn’t be in a Hibs team. One of the “nice lads” who has survived because we’ve had poor managers - incredible he’s been here so long. Should have been punted last year.

[Hiber-nation]

“Lucky to have him.”

“Least of our problems.”

“I was speaking to someone who supports a rival and they say he is our best player.”

“Just needs better players around him.”

Aye that was me who said that. I think he just flatters to deceive. Utterly abysmal today.

[B.H.F.C]

I hate the fact that he is our captain. Watching us over the years, with him being central to so many struggles yet grow in influence is a big reason why we are where we are.

[sleeping giant]

Certainly not captain material.

[Steve20]

He’s just not any good and goes missing when the going gets tough.

[Big_Franck]

The fact he's our captain says everything you need to know about the club at the moment.

[andrew70]

He’s a complete coward and also absolutely terrible at football.

Coming back in he’s negated Kwon and wrecked an okay partnership.

It is a sad indictment on Gray that he made him captain. He’s let his mate down big time, like he has the last three. Useless.

[Del Boy]

Embarrassing that he is captain of Hibs. Sums the club up.

[truehibernian]

I hate the fact that he is our captain. Watching us over the years, with him being central to so many struggles yet grow in influence is a big reason why we are where we are.

Him and Boyle should be dropped next game - both under performing and both won’t be missed. Play 4-4-2 with two strikers - won’t happen, Gray if still here can’t ever drop his “mainstays” - both should be launched as soon as we possibly can.

[The Modfather]

The mainstay of midfield that’s struggled and lacked balance for the whole time he has been here. The midfield around him changes every season, yet the same problems remain but Newell always survives. Not just survives, but on the back of last season somehow gets rewarded with a new deal and captaincy.

He’s got good technical ability as an individual but inadvertently drags those around him downward.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

How long to we have to put up with him again? 😒

[Fergos]

Kwon was poor today but made to look worse as he was the only one in our midfield who actually showed for the ball. The amount of times JN could take the ball or at least show for it but doesn’t is unreal. As for him being captain, it says it all about our recruitment of proper leaders over the past few years.

[SteveHFC]

Should be one of the first players shown the door.

[AdidasHibernian]

What's even more depressing is we don't have any other leaders/captains in our squad.

We are a shower of s***

[B.H.F.C]

Should be one of the first players shown the door.

Not with 2 and a half years to run on his contract. Plenty time left to suffer him yet.

[GreenCastle]

Another mistake from the club giving him a comfortable new deal and worse making him captain. Doubt if he had move away any club would have paid him similar wages.

St Mirren were bullying us today and Newell was no where to be seen except getting another yellow.

The Boyle penalty miss - he should have been getting the St Mirren players out the way and not trying to ruin the penalty spot instead he was doing nothing.

Constantly flapping his arms around reminds me of Liam Craig also a relegation captain.

He comes across as a decent enough guy but I’m sorry he’s not captain material and we will never improve till we change that (amongst other things).

[SteveHFC]

Not with 2 and a half years to run on his contract. Plenty time left to suffer him yet.

Hopefully some team bids for him.

[zitelli62]

After being booked he caught a player with a nasty sly tackle which if the ref saw he would have been walking not captain material.

[DaveF]

Thread title should be edited to remove 'captain' and that would do.

The really sad part of this is that he is probably one of our best players and explains why we are where we are.

[Walkerbaws]

He’s a player that will have a high pass completion rate, as he only plays the safe pass, doesn’t matter if someone is free in front of him he’d rather play it safely back. And that’s what hurts us, “You can’t blame me for the defeat, I never gave the ball away” attitude.

He’ll always be high up in the distance ran also, but never wins a tackle and always runs away from the ball or with an opposition player he knows won’t receive the ball, or into a space where he knows he won’t get the ball.

Long and short of it, doesn’t make the impact a captain should. Also, he told mckirdy that the second penalty was his to take, then shrugged his shoulders when cadden stepped up to take it, that’s not the actions of a leader or captain.

Quicker he’s away the better!

[truehibernian]

Thread title should be edited to remove 'captain' and that would do.

The really sad part of this is that he is probably one of our best players and explains why we are where we are.

I just want rid of him - he’s got absolutely no winning mentality or drive, and that’s been the case since he signed. There is absolutely nothing in his Hibs career that’s memorable other than 45 minutes v Luzern - in 5 odd years !

[GreenCastle]

Our only win this season he wasn’t in squad.

Rangers away - played ok - wasn’t in squad

Derby - should have won it - wasn’t in squad

Kelty Hearts - stays on the bench then plays a few days later in a friendly against Watford ?

10 goals in about 201 games. He’s not a defensive midfielder as can’t tackle - he’s not quick enough to go box to box - doesn’t provide enough assists so not really sure the role he brings.

[truehibernian]

Our only win this season he wasn’t in squad.

Rangers away - played ok - wasn’t in squad

Derby - should have won it - wasn’t in squad

Kelty Hearts - stays on the bench then plays a few days later in a friendly against Watford ?

10 goals in about 201 games. He’s not a defensive midfielder as can’t tackle - he’s not quick enough to go box to box - doesn’t provide enough assists so not really sure the role he brings.

Gray would still ignore those stats - loves him sadly

[Aldo]

Our only win this season he wasn’t in squad.

Rangers away - played ok - wasn’t in squad

Derby - should have won it - wasn’t in squad

Kelty Hearts - stays on the bench then plays a few days later in a friendly against Watford ?

10 goals in about 201 games. He’s not a defensive midfielder as can’t tackle - he’s not quick enough to go box to box - doesn’t provide enough assists so not really sure the role he brings.

His role is to get managers sacked with his lacklustre hide and seek displays.

When Gray gets relieved of his duties that’ll be manager no 6 for Joe.

I do know this. He’s probably the worst Captain I have ever seen watching Hibs since 1977.

[B.H.F.C]

Gray would still ignore those stats - loves him sadly

The feeling is mutual. Newell doing the press yesterday talking about how good a guy Gray is, how he’s setting them up right, how he doesn’t deserve this and whatever. Basically, they’re pals.

Gray has seen him let down so many managers first hand and has made the same mistakes. It’s shocking.

[RossScott1991]

Half expected when i started this thread that some may jump on my opinion, but looks like most of us are aligned on our thoughts about him. Only way Hibs will move forward is for people at club to lose their jobs, from boardroom, coaching staff and sadly our captain.

too many people at club have been mediocre in their roles and for me Newells time is up

[Tyler Durden]

The 2 year extension was really an incredible decision.

That coming after Mackay and Gray took over showed that nothing had really changed unfortunately.

[Nicho87]

Headless chicken

Loses ball

Charges about for 15 yards to be absolutely skinned

Out of position even worse

Repeat for 201 appearances

[JimBHibees]

So poor not great on the ball takes too many touches poor at tracking runners and tackling goes missing when going gets tough. One incident today summed him up ball landed about half way line Saints number 7 shock got to the ball first and runs towards our box Joe makes zero effort to catch the guy up and jogs back. Put him in Aberdeen team and Shinnie in ours and you would see a quantum change of difference. He and Boyle have imo been the barometer of Hibs recently which sums it up. Get both out the club now. 3 year deal wow

[truehibernian]

The feeling is mutual. Newell doing the press yesterday talking about how good a guy Gray is, how he’s setting them up right, how he doesn’t deserve this and whatever. Basically, they’re pals.

Gray has seen him let down so many managers first hand and has made the same mistakes. It’s shocking.

It’s Grays downfall and I posted about it ages ago - too familiar with the players and too loyal to ones who don’t deserve that loyalty because they’re poor professional players - he hasn’t learned from any previous managers, rather, he’s relied upon those players who have let previous managers down and he’s under the illusion they are “leaders” and get the club - that’s all on Gray - he’s been a first team coach around these players yet plays them regularly despite knowing they’ve been part of the problem. Blind loyalty and a complete lack of judgment in my book. Newell and Boyle wouldn’t ever be starters if he looked at form.

[3pm]

'We have to do so much more for him'.

Newell on Gray.

Actions speak louder than words etc. He should be in the departure lounge IMO.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

It’s Grays downfall and I posted about it ages ago - too familiar with the players and too loyal to ones who don’t deserve that loyalty because they’re poor professional players - he hasn’t learned from any previous managers, rather, he’s relied upon those players who have let previous managers down and he’s under the illusion they are “leaders” and get the club - that’s all on Gray - he’s been a first team coach around these players yet plays them regularly despite knowing they’ve been part of the problem. Blind loyalty and a complete lack of judgment in my book. Newell and Boyle wouldn’t ever be starters if he looked at form.

Spot on.

Joe Newell sums up the Hibs we’ve been watching the last few years. In glimpses he can look good, very very occasionally he can be really good, but 9 times out of 10 he under achieves, has very little drive to be better, can’t take a game by the scruff of the neck and doesn’t excel at anything in particular.

He’s Mr Hibs. For all the wrong reasons.

[InvertedFullBak]

The guy is a imposter of the highest order.

The “ we’re lucky to have him brigade “ will no doubt be along to tell me and everyone else how wrong we are.

One more manager for a 5 a side team when it comes to sackings. He offers nothing , spouts out rubbish like we’re letting the manager down then turns in performances like he did today.

When he leaves it’ll be a second of reflection and quick thought of how he lasted so long and took so much money out the club . ,

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

The decision to give Newell a comfy contract extension and captaincy this season just sums up our club. No forward thinking. Let's just reward one of the players partly responsible for the sacking of several previous managers. Aye, well done guys.

[GlesgaeHibby]

The decision to give Newell a comfy contract extension and captaincy this season just sums up our club. No forward thinking. Let's just reward one of the players partly responsible for the sacking of several previous managers. Aye, well done guys.

Spot on. What sort of message does it send to the rest of the squad when mediocrity is rewarded with the captaincy and a new contract.

[overdrive]

Should have been run out of the club but instead was given the captaincy and a new contract. Criminal ****bag to boot

[truehibernian]

Some ‘supporters’ aren’t that great either.

So you support a player who is absolutely abject and has a horrendous record not only in important games but over seasons? I won’t - I’ll call him out for what he is, an incredibly over rated player who offers absolutely nothing 👍 and factually that’s correct - he’s an awful football player and not one club above us would take him and improve getting him 👍

[overdrive]

Some ‘supporters’ aren’t that great either.

I would argue its supporters that are opposite to what you describe that are a major part of the problem accepting the absolute dross we are served up.

Viva the revolution that hardly any of the support seems to want. Guy behind me was raging at the players being booed at half time. Loser mentality

[Brightside]

He needs dropped asap. If we don’t drop him we are going down. Everything he does is at 60%. Awful footballer.

[Bobby's Cinema]

He is not a leader. He is not a motivator. He is not someone that drags us through matches when it gets tough. Another problem I have is he barely shows for the ball and demand it from his teammates.

Seems to stroll his way through matches no matter the scoreline the tempo in his game doesn't change. Atleast Levitt was taking the ball and getting on the turn and skipping out a few passes looking to do something.

We can all see it. There are no traits there that suggest a leader on years worth of evidence now. Having said all that there are no candidates jumping out to me from the current squad.

[truehibernian]

He needs dropped asap. If we don’t drop him we are going down. Everything he does is at 60%. Awful footballer.

That’s also because he’s unfit - every game this season he’s literally blowing out his backside after 60/70 minutes. Which is even more astonishing when you look at the pace he plays the game. Watched the Dons Dee game last night and the pace of both midfields was fast, snappy, intense and exactly how a game should be played. Watching Newell is like watching milk curdle.

[jakedance]

I’ve never rated him. Sadly, he’s one of our best players. Can’t score, defend or create chances.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’ve never rated him. Sadly, he’s one of our best players. Can’t score, defend or create chances.

It's a complete myth he's one of our best players, he has the odd good game but he's just a very average player who won't be missed when he leaves.

[JimBHibees]

It's a complete myth he's one of our best players, he has the odd good game but he's just a very average player who won't be missed when he leaves.

Totally agree

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

It's a complete myth he's one of our best players, he has the odd good game but he's just a very average player who won't be missed when he leaves.

I concur.

[Paul1642]

Some ‘supporters’ aren’t that great either.

Yeah but the supporters are paying their money to watch crap rather than being payed the best part of a quarter of a million pounds per year to play crap football.

[truehibernian]

200 games he’s played for the club !! 200 ! Let that really sink in.

I can genuinely only think of one memorable highlight in that time v Luzern, and only for 45 minutes.

[CapitalGreen]

Post Covid since he established himself as a central midfielder our record in games he didn’t start has been better than games he started. Over 4 and a bit seasons, there is little evidence to suggest we are a more successful team when Newell starts.

[Ribs1875]

I agree. Complete imposter on unjustified good wages and he is more concerned about his hair cut than he is getting stuck in. If he was a dog he would be one of those nervous shaking chihuahua.

[Not In The Know]

Embarrassing that he is captain of Hibs. Sums the club up.

The stark truth is there was no better choice for captain. Thats how bad our squad is.

[Centre Hawf]

It's a complete myth he's one of our best players, he has the odd good game but he's just a very average player who won't be missed when he leaves.

I think the issue is, and one that causes a lot of the divide on Joe Newell, is that yes he probably is our best player. At the very least our best midfielder, but that is less a compliment of him over the last few seasons and more a derogatory statement on the rest of the team/midfield.

I used to defend Joe Newell, I really do think there's a decent footballer in there, but I can't really be arsed any more and it's probably time he considered life elsewhere for everyone's sake. But at the moment our record is that we sign terrible players to replace mediocre ones, if we get rid of him I'm worried at what donkey we play in his place.

[CL0762]

Decided to sit and watch Newell for about 5/10 mins yesterday in the first half.

The amount of times he hides in pockets where he can’t receive the ball is incredible. He actively seeks out areas where he knows he cannot take the ball.

There are some on here that defend him and I honestly for the life of me don’t understand what I’m missing that they can see.

[Malonga's Cat]

I've always defended Newell but it's hard to disagree with a lot of what has been posted here. He's been an almost ever present in an awful side managed by quite a few managers now. Fact is, he is captain of a side bottom of the league when they shouldn't be...

[Itsnoteasy]

His role is to get managers sacked with his lacklustre hide and seek displays.

When Gray gets relieved of his duties that’ll be manager no 6 for Joe.

I do know this. He’s probably the worst Captain I have ever seen watching Hibs since 1977.

Don't blame Joe for getting the managers sacked. The managers are setting up their own downfall by selecting him to play.

[BoomtownHibees]

Decided to sit and watch Newell for about 5/10 mins yesterday in the first half.

The amount of times he hides in pockets where he can’t receive the ball is incredible. He actively seeks out areas where he knows he cannot take the ball.

There are some on here that defend him and I honestly for the life of me don’t understand what I’m missing that they can see.

Correct. He’s been accused on here of ‘hiding’ a number of times before but it’s always one or two posters telling the rest of us that he never ‘hides’. I put that down to a lack of understanding about the game and what hiding actually means which you’ve nailed here

[LancsHibs]

The 2 year extension was really an incredible decision.

That coming after Mackay and Gray took over showed that nothing had really changed unfortunately.

This 100%, a limited player who has been a key component of our underperformance for years (amongst others), to offer a contact extension when we had the opportunity to say thanks for your service but time to find a new club was crazy, and then to make him our captain was the moment I knew DG was clueless and we would be in for another poor season. We are in a bit of a mess from top to bottom and relegation is a very real possibility

[J-C]

He's been part of the problem since he came and seen off every manager, poor left winger who thinks he's a DM sums it up.

[B.H.F.C]

There was a couple of minutes yesterday that summed Newell up completely. First, he got the ball pretty deep, nobody within 15 yards of him. He started moving forward, slowly of course, and nearly managed to trip over his own feet. Because of that he had to turn round and pass it back to the centre half or goalie. Then, a couple of minutes later, he barged someone in the back to give away a pointless foul when the St Mirren player was going nowhere. Then he flapped his arms about a wee bit to try and show he cares. He’s a chancer.

[RossScott1991]

I think the semi final against Hearts where he got himself sent off and the team continued to play well without him and down to 10 men pretty much sums him up and his time at club. Involved in a Hibs team losing a big game, whilst playing a large part in letting everyone down. Joe Newell in a nutshell.

I really believe the next guy to get it right at Hibs will be the one who comes in and completely sees the back of the days of Newell, JDH and Campbell.

[Gmack7]

He's no very good, like all of his team mates

[BroxburnHibee]

We looked better when he was out the team. Says it all for me.

[Seekyit]

I quite liked Joe Newell a few years back but thought of him as more of a squad player. Might start and get subbed later or vice versa. But contract extension and captaincy? No.

[Aldo]

Don't blame Joe for getting the managers sacked. The managers are setting up their own downfall by selecting him to play.

That too but let’s face it it’s his job and he’s utterly woeful at it.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Been saying it for years and was vilified on here by some who claim he's "one of our best players" He's a very average footballer who is not better than English league 2 level. He has absolutely zero presence on the park and is never a captain in a million years. Has the heart of a mouse and when we are up against it goes missing time and time again. He's been at the club for 5 seasons and I'm struggling to remember ever watching a single game in that time where I felt I'm glad he's a Hibs player. Was flabbergasted when Gray made him captain. Needs to part of the clear out.

[Alfred E Newman]

Decided to sit and watch Newell for about 5/10 mins yesterday in the first half.

The amount of times he hides in pockets where he can’t receive the ball is incredible. He actively seeks out areas where he knows he cannot take the ball.

There are some on here that defend him and I honestly for the life of me don’t understand what I’m missing that they can see.
Anyone who witnessed his performance or lack of it in the Forfar cup tie last season would find it hard to disagree with your assessment. He took hiding to a new level that day.

[Liam89]

How many centre mid partnerships is that now that we've tried and failed with Newell? Maybe it's time to look at the common denominator in all of them.

[HibbyAndy]

That too but let’s face it it’s his job and he’s utterly woeful at it.

I just read that out in a Roy Keane voice :greengrin

[InvertedFullBak]

How many centre mid partnerships is that now that we've tried and failed with Newell? Maybe it's time to look at the common denominator in all of them.


Not just central midfield partnerships but different managers with different styles.

All cannot be wrong. One common denominator in all of this.

[Onion]

Current owner and Board have lost all perspective. At a push, Joe Newell is an ok squad player. Fact he's a regular and captain shows as much as anything just how bad we've become.

[Hibiza]

Never a player, let alone Captain.

[The Modfather]

Any of those that rate Newell willing to stick their head above the parapet and make case for him? He’s got good technical ability on an individual basis, but is this the season of Newell being Newell that’s broke the Camels back for the vast majority of the support?

At our level I don’t think you need much to make a competitive midfield. Two midfielders that can control a ball and pass it to a basic enough level but who are athletic, can get up and down the park and willing to run ahead of the ball. Then someone with similar athletic capability , but it’s it as critical, and who can feed strikers and get up alongside them. I’m not even talking John McGinn and prime Scott Allan level players being needed to make it work. We seem to have a blueprint for signing midfielders who all excel at hugging the halfway line.

[hibsbollah]

Any of those that rate Newell willing to stick their head above the parapet and make case for him? He’s got good technical ability on an individual basis, but is this the season of Newell being Newell that’s broke the Camels back for the vast majority of the support?

At our level I don’t think you need much to make a competitive midfield. Two midfielders that can control a ball and pass it to a basic enough level but who are athletic, can get up and down the park and willing to run ahead of the ball. Then someone with similar athletic capability , but it’s it as critical, and who can feed strikers and get up alongside them. I’m not even talking John McGinn and prime Scott Allan level players being needed to make it work. We seem to have a blueprint for signing midfielders who all excel at hugging the halfway line.

I stick up for Newell and my regular argument on here is midfielders are a collective, theyre a product of a system. If the balance isnt right between the constituent parts it isnt going to work. Ours hasn’t worked for a while. Blaming Joe for that is predictable but in the current toxic and angry climate defending any of these players seems a thankless task, so i won’t :greengrin

[K-Zazu]

The decision to give Newell a comfy contract extension and captaincy this season just sums up our club. No forward thinking. Let's just reward one of the players partly responsible for the sacking of several previous managers. Aye, well done guys.

This. In a nutshell.

[The Modfather]

I stick up for Newell and my regular argument on here is midfielders are a collective, theyre a product of a system. If the balance isnt right between the constituent parts it isnt going to work. Ours hasn’t worked for a while. Blaming Joe for that is predictable but in the current toxic and angry climate defending any of these players seems a thankless task, so i won’t :greengrin

Newell isn’t the sole reason why the midfield is imbalanced, however he’s got to at least take a third of the blame for being part of so many unbalanced midfields. Even the season we finished 3rd, with Newell definitely playing his part, we didn’t fix the midfield issue. We gave up the midfield for gains elsewhere, e.g. two up top. After 5 years and counting how likely are we to see a balanced and competitive Hibs midfield where Newell is the main man in that midfield?

[Aldo]

Newell isn’t the sole reason why the midfield is imbalanced, however he’s got to at least take a third of the blame for being part of so many unbalanced midfields. Even the season we finished 3rd, with Newell definitely playing his part, we didn’t fix the midfield issue. We gave up the midfield for gains elsewhere, e.g. two up top. After 5 years and counting how likely are we to see a balanced and competitive Hibs midfield where Newell is the main man in that midfield?

Newell is the Captain and should be leading by example, communicating to players, driving the team forward. He needs to take responsibility. He’s nothing like that.

I used the Luzern game as a yardstick and since then he’s been nowhere near that standard.

I agree it’s a collective but being captain means you step up and show up not hide.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Newell is the Captain and should be leading by example, communicating to players, driving the team forward. He needs to take responsibility. He’s nothing like that.

I used the Luzern game as a yardstick and since then he’s been nowhere near that standard.

I agree it’s a collective but being captain means you step up and show up not hide.
:agree:

[Hibiza]

Joe : do something constructive for a change , relinquish your armband and sign for someone else.

[hibsbollah]

Newell isn’t the sole reason why the midfield is imbalanced, however he’s got to at least take a third of the blame for being part of so many unbalanced midfields. Even the season we finished 3rd, with Newell definitely playing his part, we didn’t fix the midfield issue. We gave up the midfield for gains elsewhere, e.g. two up top. After 5 years and counting how likely are we to see a balanced and competitive Hibs midfield where Newell is the main man in that midfield?

Fair points, but describing him as ‘the main man in the midfield’ and the end there spoils it, and right there is the problem with the It’s Joe’s Fault argument. I don’t know where the expectation comes from that he’s supposed to drag us through games, he wasnt signed for big money, hes just expected to magically conjure performances out of teammates like JDH, or Levitt, or Amos, or Moriah Welsh, or any of the substandard midfielders we’ve had to endure since 2018. He may be the captain, but how different is the captains role really from any other player in the modern game? You need leadership across the field. There’s no consistency of selection, of personnel,of coaching, of anything.

What i would say is he’s having a subpar season. No arguments there. But who is?

[The Modfather]

Fair points, but describing him as ‘the main man in the midfield’ and the end there spoils it, and right there is the problem with the It’s Joe’s Fault argument. I don’t know where the expectation comes from that he’s supposed to drag us through games, he wasnt signed for big money, hes just expected to magically conjure performances out of teammates like JDH, or Levitt, or Amos, or Moriah Welsh, or any of the substandard midfielders we’ve had to endure since 2018. He may be the captain, but how different is the captains role really from any other player in the modern game? You need leadership across the field. There’s no consistency of selection, of personnel,of coaching, of anything.

What i would say is he’s having a subpar season. No arguments there. But who is?

“Main man” wasn’t meant to be a loaded term. I just meant it in the sense of him being ever present and for the last 5 managers their midfield is Newell plus 2.

It’s fair asking how Newell is meant to drag guys like, JDH, Campbell, Slivka, Gogic, Hallberg, Levitt, Mallan, NMW etc etc up. However is it not also fair to question why all those players have moved on/been demoted while Newell remains, despite for large periods of those 5 years Newell being on par with all the other midfielders yet the sole midfielder to endure. With the next batch of midfielders tasked with fitting around him.

[InvertedFullBak]

Fair points, but describing him as ‘the main man in the midfield’ and the end there spoils it, and right there is the problem with the It’s Joe’s Fault argument. I don’t know where the expectation comes from that he’s supposed to drag us through games, he wasnt signed for big money, hes just expected to magically conjure performances out of teammates like JDH, or Levitt, or Amos, or Moriah Welsh, or any of the substandard midfielders we’ve had to endure since 2018. He may be the captain, but how different is the captains role really from any other player in the modern game? You need leadership across the field. There’s no consistency of selection, of personnel,of coaching, of anything.

What i would say is he’s having a subpar season. No arguments there. But who is?


Firsty he’s the captain and when you are up against you need your captain to stand up and lead from the front. Newell doesn’t. He runs about a bit , dives into tackles he’s never going to win then ends up getting booked and ends up hiding for the rest of the game.

The captain is the manager on the pitch. He also plays centre midfield and we’re looking for him to stamp his authority on every game he plays in. Unfortunately for the majority of time he’s been here , we’ve very rarely seen this. It’s all very well turning up like he did last season against an already relegated Livingston and last week for the first half against Dundee united.

Aside from the examples I’ve given , when was the last time any of us walked away from a game saying that Joe newell really showed what’s he’s all about today and dominated that game ??

[hibsbollah]

“Main man” wasn’t meant to be a loaded term. I just meant it in the sense of him being ever present and for the last 5 managers their midfield is Newell plus 2.

It’s fair asking how Newell is meant to drag guys like, JDH, Campbell, Slivka, Gogic, Hallberg, Levitt, Mallan, NMW etc etc up. However is it not also fair to question why all those players have moved on/been demoted while Newell remains, despite for large periods of those 5 years Newell being on par with all the other midfielders yet the sole midfielder to endure. With the next batch of midfielders tasked with fitting around him.

Yeah its fair to question it.

I really thought Amos was going to be a great signing, but it seems like the injuries have ruined him. Kwon was getting rave reviews from Buddies and Celtic fans but has made a few mistakes already. I watched Moriah Welsh look really good in front of a back 4 one time, and then he regressed. Levitt has been an expensive disaster. Triantis looked good for a while but again, he’s not playing in any sort of system. I dont expect Scholes Butt Keane and Beckham but theres literally nothing for us in there. I admit that until Newell gets a run of good form again, he’s just part of the wider problem.

[hibsbollah]

The captain is the manager on the pitch.

This is possibly the football cliche i hate the most, maybe ‘keepers should never get beat at their near post’ just beats it but only just. Its just not true.

[InvertedFullBak]

This is possibly the football cliche i hate the most, maybe ‘keepers should never get beat at their near post’ just beats it but only just. It’s just not true.

I certainly don’t agree with the keeper part but the first part is very appropriate.

He’s never a captain in a million years let alone good enough to play for Hibs.

[truehibernian]

Yeah its fair to question it.

I really thought Amos was going to be a great signing, but it seems like the injuries have ruined him. Kwon was getting rave reviews from Buddies and Celtic fans but has made a few mistakes already. I watched Moriah Welsh look really good in front of a back 4 one time, and then he regressed. Levitt has been an expensive disaster. Triantis looked good for a while but again, he’s not playing in any sort of system. I dont expect Scholes Butt Keane and Beckham but theres literally nothing for us in there. I admit that until Newell gets a run of good form again, he’s just part of the wider problem.

If he keeps his job, which I’d find astonishing, he has to revert to a traditional 4-4-2 so there’s solidity and veers away from the utterly predictable “play it wide, cross, only one or two in the box”. It also means strikers develop a partnership , occupy centre halves, and defend from the top better.

I’d go with Nicky Cadden left midfield, Kwon in front of the back four, Chris Cadden right midfield, and Levitt in a 10, just behind Myko and Gayle/Youan.

Boyle and Newell out, Hoilett a very good impact option (as would Boyle be if he steps up).

My centre halves would be Iredale left and Marv right. My keeper would be young Boruc.

We need to play two strikers, opposition defences have the freedom of the pitch under no pressure. Playing two deeper midfielders like Newell, Kwon/Triantis merely exacerbates that.

[hibsbollah]

If he keeps his job, which I’d find astonishing, he has to revert to a traditional 4-4-2 so there’s solidity and veers away from the utterly predictable “play it wide, cross, only one or two in the box”. It also means strikers develop a partnership , occupy centre halves, and defend from the top better.

I’d go with Nicky Cadden left midfield, Kwon in front of the back four, Chris Cadden right midfield, and Levitt in a 10, just behind Myko and Gayle/Youan.

Boyle and Newell out, Hoilett a very good impact option (as would Boyle be if he steps up).

My centre halves would be Iredale left and Marv right. My keeper would be young Boruc.

We need to play two strikers, opposition defences have the freedom of the pitch under no pressure. Playing two deeper midfielders like Newell, Kwon/Triantis merely exacerbates that.

I appreciate you’re a knowledgeable thoughtful poster. But i dont see any evidence that Levitt is going to offer anything. Hes weak as nuns piss. Dont you think his lack of pace and drive is an issue at the 10 role? What have we seen from Chris Cadden recently except regression? and i think youre just putting the other Cadden in there because theres no body of evidence to disprove his inclusion :greengrin
I’m not picking holes. I just think theres no easy answers.

[InvertedFullBak]

If he keeps his job, which I’d find astonishing, he has to revert to a traditional 4-4-2 so there’s solidity and veers away from the utterly predictable “play it wide, cross, only one or two in the box”. It also means strikers develop a partnership , occupy centre halves, and defend from the top better.

I’d go with Nicky Cadden left midfield, Kwon in front of the back four, Chris Cadden right midfield, and Levitt in a 10, just behind Myko and Gayle/Youan.

Boyle and Newell out, Hoilett a very good impact option (as would Boyle be if he steps up).

My centre halves would be Iredale left and Marv right. My keeper would be young Boruc.

We need to play two strikers, opposition defences have the freedom of the pitch under no pressure. Playing two deeper midfielders like Newell, Kwon/Triantis merely exacerbates that.


In all a respect the good old 4-4-2 has been tried , tested , failed and gotten somebody the P45 so I don’t think we’ll be going back to that anytime soon.

[truehibernian]

I appreciate you’re a knowledgeable thoughtful poster. But i dont see any evidence that Levitt is going to offer anything. Hes weak as nuns piss. Dont you think his lack of pace and drive is an issue at the 10 role? What have we seen from Chris Cadden recently except regression? and i think youre just putting the other Cadden in there because theres no body of evidence to disprove his inclusion :greengrin
I’m not picking holes. I just think theres no easy answers.

The inclusion of CC at right midfield quite simply is because we don’t have any other option of a right midfielder - perhaps Rudi but he’s raw and for me not ready. Levitt - I posted days ago, he’s a strange one - with the right manager, bit of motivation and reason to believe in his ability, he’s the only one for me that looks for that pass, that connection with the front men. He’s definitely weak defensively, but playing higher up the pitch, with front pairing limiting space to walk into, I think it’s an option. He actually made a positive difference coming on yesterday. Always looking to play forward.

[Tyler Durden]

Any of those that rate Newell willing to stick their head above the parapet and make case for him? He’s got good technical ability on an individual basis, but is this the season of Newell being Newell that’s broke the Camels back for the vast majority of the support?

At our level I don’t think you need much to make a competitive midfield. Two midfielders that can control a ball and pass it to a basic enough level but who are athletic, can get up and down the park and willing to run ahead of the ball. Then someone with similar athletic capability , but it’s it as critical, and who can feed strikers and get up alongside them. I’m not even talking John McGinn and prime Scott Allan level players being needed to make it work. We seem to have a blueprint for signing midfielders who all excel at hugging the halfway line.


What I would say, is that in prior years Newell largely did the job he was tasked with. Did a solid job in the Jack Ross team, was criticised for things that he wasn’t there to do. For example score goals, when we had a front 3 scoring 45 odd between them.

Similarly in the Lee Johnson season, Newell was consistently 7 or 8 out of 10.

Since then we’ve had the Montyball approach which was terrible to watch and a bit of a thankless task for the central midfield 2. Then this season it’s just the worst version of Newell consistently - as others have pointed out, he often seems to be hiding to me.

Similar to Boyle, a player who’s done well over the years (not to same degree) but now represents the general lack of standards and quality, that we now have to suffer every week

[truehibernian]

In all a respect the good old 4-4-2 has been tried , tested , failed and gotten somebody the P45 so I don’t think we’ll be going back to that anytime soon.

Has it though ? Last striker pairings that I recall recently were Stokes/Cummings, Kamberi/McLaren and maybe Nisbet/Doidge - all reasonably successful pairings under experienced management and last two pairings got top 6 and all four scoring at this level. Since Ross left, really cannot think of any regular striker partnerships ?

I’m maybe showing my age but when at home (especially) I think psychologically you should always play two strikers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

[hibee_girl]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

Crime of the century.

[JohnM1875]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

Loves a bevvy eh?

[Tyler Durden]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

Big deal. When’s our next game? Get a grip

[Paulie Walnuts]

Big deal. When’s our next game? Get a grip

When’s our next training session?

[InvertedFullBak]

Has it though ? Last striker pairings that I recall recently were Stokes/Cummings, Kamberi/McLaren and maybe Nisbet/Doidge - all reasonably successful pairings under experienced management and last two pairings got top 6 and all four scoring at this level. Since Ross left, really cannot think of any regular striker partnerships ?

I’m maybe showing my age but when at home (especially) I think psychologically you should always play two strikers.

If we played the system then we’d be overran in most if not all games. However if we played 3-5-2 like we fell into at tannadice then I’d fancy us a lot more. We were playing fantastic until Newell sold the pies and got himself sent off.

[CapitalGreen]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

Not a huge deal as long as he’s left the car keys at home.

[Fergos]

When’s our next training session?

Exemplary leadership again from JN. Bet he was hiding behind a pillar when it was his round….

[truehibernian]

If we played the system then we’d be overran in most if not all games. However if we played 3-5-2 like we fell into at tannadice then I’d fancy us a lot more. We were playing fantastic until Newell sold the pies and got himself sent off.

Certainly not averse to 3-5-2 either, minus Newell 👍

[B.H.F.C]

When’s our next training session?

I’m guessing not tomorrow. Probably off for a few days with international break. Might not be anyone to take training tomorrow anyway.

[JohnM1875]

When’s our next training session?

I'd rather he was out working on his fitness to be honest

[InvertedFullBak]

Certainly not averse to 3-5-2 either, minus Newell 👍


My sentiments exactly.

[Bridge hibs]

I'd rather he was out working on his fitness to be honest

He probably was, 1.25lb in a pint

[truehibernian]

I'd rather he was out working on his fitness to be honest

What fitness ? Joe Newell blows out his **** after 70 minutes - not only is he poor he’s unfit.

[JohnM1875]

What fitness ? Joe Newell blows out his **** after 70 minutes - not only is he poor he’s unfit.

That's kinda my point.

[Fergos]

I'd rather he was out working on his fitness to be honest

Totally agree.

[Exuberance1875]

Has seen off more managers than goals scored for hibs. Says it all. 200 games too many yet certain posters on here won’t let you say otherwise.

[hibsbollah]

Has seen off more managers than goals scored for hibs. Says it all. 200 games too many yet certain posters on here won’t let you say otherwise.

Im sure everyone will let you say whatever you like.

[AdidasHibernian]

The inclusion of CC at right midfield quite simply is because we don’t have any other option of a right midfielder - perhaps Rudi but he’s raw and for me not ready. Levitt - I posted days ago, he’s a strange one - with the right manager, bit of motivation and reason to believe in his ability, he’s the only one for me that looks for that pass, that connection with the front men. He’s definitely weak defensively, but playing higher up the pitch, with front pairing limiting space to walk into, I think it’s an option. He actually made a positive difference coming on yesterday. Always looking to play forward.

I would personally play Hoilett in the 10 Role with Gayle and Youan up top as Myko is poor an offers nothing even with his height. Was a bit gutted we got him back if honest.

[truehibernian]

I would personally play Hoilett in the 10 Role with Gayle and Youan up top as Myko is poor an offers nothing even with his height. Was a bit gutted we got him back if honest.

Certainly wouldn’t disagree but it’s on the coach to find out the best partnership - Gayle and Youan would work, down side being Ellle doesn’t want to be here and doesn’t get on with Gray. Hence I want Gray sacked and a good manager who will get the best from Ellie.

[southern hibby]

For all those who think Joe Newell is our best midfielder, he probably is. That does not make him a good midfielder, that just makes him our best. Also as for Captain or leader material, sorry but just don’t see it.

GGTTH

[blackpoolhibs]

For all those who think Joe Newell is our best midfielder, he probably is. That does not make him a good midfielder, that just makes him our best. Also as for Captain or leader material, sorry but just don’t see it.

GGTTH
Boils my pish that saying, there's no such thing as our best midfielder, he along with the rest are just poor players.

Christ i long for a time when we argued who was the best midfielder betweem McGinn, Fyvie, McGeouch or Allan.

[GreenCastle]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

So many players don’t care. Seems they regularly get Sundays off so it’s George Street or Stockbridge.

For all the folk who moan at Youan not caring - he is often seen practicing his football on his own at a venue in Edinburgh. Even this past Friday he was kicking a ball about on his own trying to improve the evening before the game.

[BILLYHIBS]

Brilliant first half last week MIA on Saturday probably won’t see another half decent performance until January taking into account the international break

Notice all the WAG’s and fanboys have disappeared again 😀

[flash]

So many players don’t care. Seems they regularly get Sundays off so it’s George Street or Stockbridge.

For all the folk who moan at Youan not caring - he is often seen practicing his football on his own at a venue in Edinburgh. Even this past Friday he was kicking a ball about on his own trying to improve the evening before the game.

I don't mind Elie arguing with punters and stuff like that.

He gets some amount of stick compared to the guy on the opposite side of the park who has been far worse for quite a while now.

[WestStandWillie]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

As much as I want him out the club, i'm not going to criticise him for going out on a Sunday and having a few jars. Especially as there's no game until the 23rd.

That's just a cheap shot.

[Bushwoof]

I wasn't at Tannadice, but to quote an Arab acquaintance who was - "when Newell got sent off I thought we'd get something from the game. He was pulling all the strings in the midfield."

[B.H.F.C]

I don't mind Elie arguing with punters and stuff like that.

He gets some amount of stick compared to the guy on the opposite side of the park who has been far worse for quite a while now.

Boyle has still done far morn than Youan this season, even though he’s not been good himself, and has far more credit in the bank over the years than Youan.

It’s clear as day that Youan’s head is absolutely gone. He’s constantly having arguments with fans, it was the case up at Ross County the other week even whilst the game was going on. Folk will talk about abuse not being acceptable and whatever, but you’re in the wrong game if you’re going to go biting back and picking arguments with supporters as frequently. A one off incident can happen but not with the frequency he’s doing it, be it at games, online or whatever.

[CapitalGreen]

I wasn't at Tannadice, but to quote an Arab acquaintance who was - "when Newell got sent off I thought we'd get something from the game. He was pulling all the strings in the midfield."

We’ve only won once in our previous 8 meetings with Dundee Utd. Guess who was missing that game…

[flash]

Boyle has still done far morn than Youan this season, even though he’s not been good himself, and has far more credit in the bank over the years than Youan.

It’s clear as day that Youan’s head is absolutely gone. He’s constantly having arguments with fans, it was the case up at Ross County the other week even whilst the game was going on. Folk will talk about abuse not being acceptable and whatever, but you’re in the wrong game if you’re going to go biting back and picking arguments with supporters as frequently. A one off incident can happen but not with the frequency he’s doing it, be it at games, online or whatever.

To be honest I probably wouldn't have either of them in the team.

[Smartie]

Again, arguing the toss about whether Youan or Boyle have contributed more and whose head has gone more misses the point.

Neither are contributing, both their heads are gone and we’ve been relying on both for an end product that never comes for far too long.

We need to get Boyle to his Australian beach and Youan to anywhere asap. They’re not going to be rehabilitated into Hibs players who make a positive contribution from here.

Absolutely done as Hibs players.

[WhileTheChief..]

One of the positives when things are going so badly, is that it tends to unite the fans.

Pretty much everyone is in agreement about the state of the squad now.

We are where we are because of players like Newall.

I’m not hating on the guy, but bottom 6 is his level, along with most of the others.

[Brightside]

I appreciate you’re a knowledgeable thoughtful poster. But i dont see any evidence that Levitt is going to offer anything. Hes weak as nuns piss. Dont you think his lack of pace and drive is an issue at the 10 role? What have we seen from Chris Cadden recently except regression? and i think youre just putting the other Cadden in there because theres no body of evidence to disprove his inclusion :greengrin
I’m not picking holes. I just think theres no easy answers.

Levitt as a 10 blows my mind. He is one of the few people who can receive the ball to feet from the CB and move us forward. That is his only decent position for us at this moment in time. If we ever play a 10 it should be Hoilet or Rudi. But we have so many areas that need refreshed its hard to know where to start. Newell dropped would be one the first things I'd do.

[Smartie]

Levitt as a 10 blows my mind. He is one of the few people who can receive the ball to feet from the CB and move us forward. That is his only decent position for us at this moment in time. If we ever play a 10 it should be Hoilet or Rudi. But we have so many areas that need refreshed its hard to know where to start. Newell dropped would be one the first things I'd do.

Levitt is also the most defensively inept midfielder I've ever seen play for Hibs.

Only the walking football version of Ray Wilkins gets close to him.

I agree about Levitt's passing ability setting him apart from most of out other players but for him not to be liability and to cover for his deficiencies we need at least 4 players between him and our goal at all times.

Scott Allan and Russel Latapy weren't exactly strong defensively either but because their managers knew they had a talent that set them apart, they had teams built to accommodate them. Not saying Levitt has the ability of those 2 but the principle feels similar.

[Springbank]

I wasn't at Tannadice, but to quote an Arab acquaintance who was - "when Newell got sent off I thought we'd get something from the game. He was pulling all the strings in the midfield."

I was at Tannadice and I saw it as a criminally bad first touch, that, having taken the touch, and being on a yellow, and being experienced in the sport, and being the captain, it was then an utterly stupid tackle to make that led to the second yellow

And he hadn't been our best midfielder that day, Kwon was excellent that day.

I think the Kwon/Triantis/Hoillett trio is our best three in there

When Newell / Triantis / Kwon play as a three, two seem to think they have a license to go hiding - it just doesn't work

[SickBoy32]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

Deeply unprofessional, and a poor example to be setting as club captain.

Mid-season drinking for a pro footballer is the realm of the loser. I think we can safely say Newell is a loser.

As others have touched upon, his fitness has always been questionable too.

[A Hi-Bee]

I read the heading as Abseiling captain, probably crap at that as well.

[Tambo]

Miles off it this season compared to his last few, which I thought he was one of our better players.

[Cabbage-Patch]

I wasn't at Tannadice, but to quote an Arab acquaintance who was - "when Newell got sent off I thought we'd get something from the game. He was pulling all the strings in the midfield."

I was at Tannadice and that's absolute nonsense. Yet to see a game in the 5 years he's been here where he's pulled the strings in any game.

[BoomtownHibees]

I was at Tannadice and that's absolute nonsense. Yet to see a game in the 5 years he's been here where he's pulled the strings in any game.

Surely can’t forget that one 45 minutes against Luzern?

[SteveHFC]

Surely can’t forget that one 45 minutes against Luzern?

That was his best game he's played for us.

[BoomtownHibees]

That was his best game he's played for us.

It was. They’re so few and far between that it’s the only game folk can remember him playing well in

[K-Zazu]

That was his best game he's played for us.

Had the carrot of Aston Villa in the next game, he’s a Birmingham fan. Coincidence?

[Hibiza]

Deeply unprofessional, and a poor example to be setting as club captain.

Mid-season drinking for a pro footballer is the realm of the loser. I think we can safely say Newell is a loser.

As others have touched upon, his fitness has always been questionable too.

Yup. A total loser

[Basildon Hibs]

Never rated him at all.
Soft as ***** poser who should be nowhere near our club, never mind our captain. 🤬

FFS

[Basildon Hibs]

Not a huge deal as long as he’s left the car keys at home.

🤣🤣

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Never rated him at all.
Soft as ***** poser who should be nowhere near our club, never mind our captain. 🤬

FFS

Who’s worthy of the captaincy from the current squad out of interest?

[Basildon Hibs]

Who’s worthy of the captaincy from the current squad out of interest?

None of them.

[BurtonOnTrent]

Other teams fans seem to think he's a key player for us. I honestly don't know what game they've seen to make them think that

[Stuart93]

Wonder how the big man’s feeling reading that statement nursing his hangover

[Cameron1875]

A shocking excuse of a footballer and his time at Hibs epitomised by being hunched over, holding his knees, completely and utterly gassed at 75 mins on the clock, 2 nil down at home to St Mirren. He was manmarking their number 9 for about 5-10 mins and jogging through our own half!

No grabbing players by the collar or trying to motivate any of the subs. Completely blowing from the tugs with 2 and a half more years on the contract and the armband round him.

The sooner he is replaced the better.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Who’s worthy of the captaincy from the current squad out of interest?

Honestly a really hard pick at the moment. If Bowie wasn't Injured I would have suggested him because right now who else is there?

[Tambo]

Who’s worthy of the captaincy from the current squad out of interest?

Rocky could be the only one that cares at the moment, get him back in the team for O'Hora.

[Chorley Hibee]

A shocking excuse of a footballer and his time at Hibs epitomised by being hunched over, holding his knees, completely and utterly gassed at 75 mins on the clock, 2 nil down at home to St Mirren. He was manmarking their number 9 for about 5-10 mins and jogging through our own half!

No grabbing players by the collar or trying to motivate any of the subs. Completely blowing from the tugs with 2 and a half more years on the contract and the armband round him.

The sooner he is replaced the better.

Yet fans on here constantly tell us that it's okay for the squad to have a bevvy and party all ****ing night, all whilst most of them can barely complete 90 minutes they're that unfit.

We're a joke of a club.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Nicky Cadden basically admitting the players could go after each other a bit more is all the evidence that’s needed that they’re just going through the motions.

However, if your captain can go for a few pints on Sunday in Stockbridge after serving up another lacklustre hide and seek performance whilst struggling to get through 90 minutes then why should anyone else care.

[Donegal Hibby]

I have absolutely no issues with Newell going out on a Sunday afternoon to a pub / hotel … does anyone know what the circumstances are in …

was his wife Hannah with him for a meal ? ..

or was she cooking the Sunday dinner and he popped out to meet a friend for a couple of drinks beforehand?..

Fair enough in criticising the guy if he plays poorly though to have a go at him for going out on a Sunday afternoon imo really is a cheap shot at the guy.

[CapitalGreen]

Yet fans on here constantly tell us that it's okay for the squad to have a bevvy and party all ****ing night, all whilst most of them can barely complete 90 minutes they're that unfit.

We're a joke of a club.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone on here say it’s ok for the squad to party all night let alone people saying it constantly.

[Fergos]

I have absolutely no issues with Newell going out on a Sunday afternoon to a pub / hotel … does anyone know what the circumstances are in …

was his wife Hannah with him for a meal ? ..

or was she cooking the Sunday dinner and he popped out to meet a friend for a couple of drinks beforehand?..

Fair enough in criticising the guy if he plays poorly though to have a go at him for going out on a Sunday afternoon imo really is a cheap shot at the guy.

Do you know the circumstances?

Were you at the game last Sat?

What we all know is that he’s usually blowing out after 75 or so minutes as many have seen and highlighted on here. Maybe giving up the beer as many successful pros do, at least during the season would benefit. As hes anything but a successful pro now.

[3pm]

I have absolutely no issues with Newell going out on a Sunday afternoon to a pub / hotel … does anyone know what the circumstances are in …

was his wife Hannah with him for a meal ? ..

or was she cooking the Sunday dinner and he popped out to meet a friend for a couple of drinks beforehand?..

Fair enough in criticising the guy if he plays poorly though to have a go at him for going out on a Sunday afternoon imo really is a cheap shot at the guy.

You know what happens when you are a professional footballer in Edinburgh. If you go drinking up the town when you are individually and collectively underperforming, someone is going to say something. Whether you agree with it or not, that's what has happened for years.

This joker sat in his Friday press conference saying he / they had to do more to help Gray then turned in a performance of that drivel. That's his captain. He should be emptied as a priority, how the **** he has ended up with 3 years is baffling.

Do you think Hatate, Engels or McGregor go for a few pints up the town after they lose a game?

[Fergos]

You know what happens when you are a professional footballer in Edinburgh. If you go drinking up the town when you are individually and collectively underperforming, someone is going to say something. Whether you agree with it or not, that's what has happened for years.

This joker sat in his Friday press conference saying he / they had to do more to help Gray then turned in a performance of that drivel. That's his captain. He should be emptied as a priority, how the **** he has ended up with 3 years is baffling.

Do you think Hatate, Engels or McGregor go for a few pints up the town after they lose a game?

Well said mate. Agreed.

[BILLYHIBS]

Joe should know better needs to adopt a low profile work on his consistency and fitness and put everything into turning this s*#tshow around

Only takes a couple of wins and we are bang in there again

Plenty of time to go for a bevvy in June

Show a wee bit professional pride it is a short career

[Bridge hibs]

I have absolutely no issues with Newell going out on a Sunday afternoon to a pub / hotel … does anyone know what the circumstances are in …

was his wife Hannah with him for a meal ? ..

or was she cooking the Sunday dinner and he popped out to meet a friend for a couple of drinks beforehand?..

Fair enough in criticising the guy if he plays poorly though to have a go at him for going out on a Sunday afternoon imo really is a cheap shot at the guy.Same old same old on here, one guy sees him out and all of a sudden he was getting bevvied with no actual proof. A person behind a username on a fans forum sticks a post up and all of a sudden we get all this faux rage and gnashing of teeth, its actually quite funny reading the posts from grown adults foaming at the mouth 😁

Oh and I dont rate Newell either.

[marinello59]

Out on the beers in Stockbridge this afternoon :rolleyes:

Beers or a beer? Who saw him? You or is this just hearsay?

[hibsbollah]

Same old same old on here, one guy sees him out and all of a sudden he was getting bevvied with no actual proof. A person behind a username on a fans forum sticks a post up and all of a sudden we get all this faux rage and gnashing of teeth, its actually quite funny reading the posts from grown adults foaming at the mouth 😁

Oh and I dont rate Newell either.

I get we’re playing badly, and hes not heen playing well, but its just daft with the drinking thing. Its like all objectivity goes out the window on here.

[NC1875]

Terrible player and terrible captain,

But he’s in Stockbridge during the day having a beer, he’s not LJ up town on the beers the night before a derby.

You can argue it’s probably best to not do it in this situation but come on. Slate him for being crap aye, but having a beer on a Sunday afternoon 😂

[Fergos]

Same old same old on here, one guy sees him out and all of a sudden he was getting bevvied with no actual proof. A person behind a username on a fans forum sticks a post up and all of a sudden we get all this faux rage and gnashing of teeth, its actually quite funny reading the posts from grown adults foaming at the mouth 😁

Oh and I dont rate Newell either.

Whose foaming at the mouth?

Im certainly not. Id just like a captain that shows a higher level of professionalism in a manner that other high achieving players do. Id expect that from the captain and many others at the club too. It would probably lead to us not being bottom of the league.

[JimBHibees]

Honestly a really hard pick at the moment. If Bowie wasn't Injured I would have suggested him because right now who else is there?

Marvin

[JimBHibees]

Do you know the circumstances?

Were you at the game last Sat?

What we all know is that he’s usually blowing out after 75 or so minutes as many have seen and highlighted on here. Maybe giving up the beer as many successful pros do, at least during the season would benefit. As hes anything but a successful pro now.

Apparently was out few weeks back also. Not long back from injury struggles to see out 90 mins. Is the captain of a team seriously under performing has had issues in the past. Not a great look for me imo. Should be using the break to up his fitness and lead by example

[JimBHibees]

Whose foaming at the mouth?

Im certainly not. Id just like a captain that shows a higher level of professionalism in a manner that other high achieving players do. Id expect that from the captain and many others at the club too. It would probably lead to us not being bottom of the league.

Agree

[Bridge hibs]

Whose foaming at the mouth?

Im certainly not. Id just like a captain that shows a higher level of professionalism in a manner that other high achieving players do. Id expect that from the captain and many others at the club too. It would probably lead to us not being bottom of the league.Was he out drinking beers spirits or whatever alcohol ? He may have been on soft drinks, is that not allowed either ? Nobody actually knows do they, thats what I find funny about it.

Player seen in supermarket walking down the alcohol aisle, posted on hibs.ner that he was buying tons of beer, cue the rage. Unless you saw him personally then its a nothing story and not something folk should be getting all worked up about.

Players live in a gold fish bowl, they cant fart in public without it getting plastered all over social media and then twisted to suit agendas.

[Fergos]

Was he out drinking beers spirits or whatever alcohol ? He may have been on soft drinks, is that not allowed either ? Nobody actually knows do they, thats what I find funny about it.

Player seen in supermarket walking down the alcohol aisle, posted on hibs.ner that he was buying tons of beer, cue the rage. Unless you saw him personally then its a nothing story and not something folk should be getting all worked up about.

Players live in a gold fish bowl, they cant fart in public without it getting plastered all over social media and then twisted to suit agendas.

Whose foaming at the mouth now?

Hes been seen several times drinking. Top level sports folk dont touch the stuff. Only in Scotland would this be ok…our general attitude to alcohol is a touch pathetic but thats for another time / place.

Apologise for him all you want. I dont agree. Simple.

[mcohibs]

Absolute non story from a random post on here with an unnamed source. Even if true, who cares? Criticise him for performances but not for being in Stockbridge on a Sunday ffs. Could well have been a coffee, non alcoholic drink he was having. Who cares.

[Hibernian Verse]

Whose foaming at the mouth?

Im certainly not. Id just like a captain that shows a higher level of professionalism in a manner that other high achieving players do. Id expect that from the captain and many others at the club too. It would probably lead to us not being bottom of the league.

John McGinn goes out sometimes, what's your point?

[Heisenberg]

He’s basically turned into Liam Craig relegation season edition.

[.Sean.]

You know what happens when you are a professional footballer in Edinburgh. If you go drinking up the town when you are individually and collectively underperforming, someone is going to say something. Whether you agree with it or not, that's what has happened for years.

This joker sat in his Friday press conference saying he / they had to do more to help Gray then turned in a performance of that drivel. That's his captain. He should be emptied as a priority, how the **** he has ended up with 3 years is baffling.

Do you think Hatate, Engels or McGregor go for a few pints up the town after they lose a game?
Bang on. He’s an embarrassment of a captain. A tippy tappy poser that has one good game in ten and seems more interested in golf and the pub than actually putting in a performance for Hibs. A three year deal for him sums up everything that is wrong with Hibs and then you’ve got his own bare faced cheek of an admission that the players aren’t doing enough for a manager he’s known personally for years and years who also captained him probably sums him up. He’s also no long back from an injury and blows out his arse most weeks with 25 minutes to go and folk still want to make excuses for nice guy Joe the drink driver. Joke

[Paulie Walnuts]

Beers or a beer? Who saw him? You or is this just hearsay?

Beers, me, not hearsay.

[Brightside]

I have absolutely no issues with Newell going out on a Sunday afternoon to a pub / hotel … does anyone know what the circumstances are in …

was his wife Hannah with him for a meal ? ..

or was she cooking the Sunday dinner and he popped out to meet a friend for a couple of drinks beforehand?..

Fair enough in criticising the guy if he plays poorly though to have a go at him for going out on a Sunday afternoon imo really is a cheap shot at the guy.

Apparently he didn’t turn up for a charity do on the same day.

[Fergos]

John McGinn goes out sometimes, what's your point?

Comparing JMG to Joe Newall.

Brilliant.

Joes been playing so well too….

[marinello59]

Apparently was out few weeks back also. Not long back from injury struggles to see out 90 mins. Is the captain of a team seriously under performing has had issues in the past. Not a great look for me imo. Should be using the break to up his fitness and lead by example

Talk about vague news. Maybe he went out at some undetermined point in the past and did what?

It's getting silly now, criticise his performances by all means but some of the stuff on here looks like putting the boot in with to nothing back it up.

[Bridge hibs]

Comparing JMG to Joe Newall.

Brilliant.

Joes been playing so well too….Ah, so if Joe was playing well it wouldnt be an issue then ?

Come on Joe, up yer game ffs !

[flash]

I probably like him more as a player than most of our support but I wouldn't appoint someone with a drink driving conviction as my captain.

Maybe that's a bit puritan but I want my captain to lead by example both on and off the pitch.

[Bridge hibs]

Apparently he didn’t turn up for a charity do on the same day.

Apparently ? What was his reason for missing the charity do ? Its ok, you can just make something up to add a bit razzmatazz 😃

[CockneyRebel]

Comparing JMG to Joe Newall.

Brilliant.

Joes been playing so well too….

So it's ok for SJM, and others of his stature in the game, to go for a pint because you like him? We all know SJM is the better footballer but you can't pick and choose who you condone. A pint's a pint.
I tend to disregard gossip and trolling. It's better for the blood pressure!

[Fergos]

Ah, so if Joe was playing well it wouldnt be an issue then ?

Come on Joe, up yer game ffs !

When has he played well this season?

[Fergos]

So it's ok for SJM, and others of his stature in the game, to go for a pint because you like him? We all know SJM is the better footballer but you can't pick and choose who you condone. A pint's a pint.
I tend to disregard gossip and trolling. It's better for the blood pressure!

Where did i say it was ok for McGinn? Or indeed that “i liked him”?

[Hibernian Verse]

Comparing JMG to Joe Newall.

Brilliant.

Joes been playing so well too….

Haha don't back down double down

You said "I'd just like a captain that shows a higher level of professionalism in a manner that other high achieving players do"

There's another high achieving player, so by your barometer of standards Joe is exhibiting the same level of professionalism in his spare time.

[marinello59]

Apparently he didn’t turn up for a charity do on the same day.

Apparently somebody just made that up.

[blackpoolhibs]

3 year contract extention, Gray should be gone just for that alone, but it does say something about where the club is going when a player as average as him is getting another 3 years.:boo hoo:

[Centre Hawf]

I see we're at the stage of players having social lives is the problem.

Joe Newell having a beer or three with some friends or family he maybe hasn't seen in months is why we're rotten.

[BoomtownHibees]

I see we're at the stage of players having social lives is the problem.

Joe Newell having a beer or three with some friends or family he maybe hasn't seen in months is why we're rotten.

Maybe not the main reason we are rotten but may be a reason why he can’t seem to last 90 mins in a game

[Bridge hibs]

Maybe not the main reason we are rotten but may be a reason why he can’t seem to last 90 mins in a game

He isnt the only one though, Ive noticed there are one or two others who seem to struggle to last 90 mins, wonder if they drink the same stuff as Joe 🤔

[BoomtownHibees]

He isnt the only one though, Ive noticed there are one or two others who seem to struggle to last 90 mins, wonder if they drink the same stuff as Joe 🤔

The rumour mill had a few of them out all night after the game at Tannadice so you could be right

[Centre Hawf]

Maybe not the main reason we are rotten but may be a reason why he can’t seem to last 90 mins in a game

Maybe, but also... maybe not?

[Fergos]

Haha don't back down double down

You said "I'd just like a captain that shows a higher level of professionalism in a manner that other high achieving players do"

There's another high achieving player, so by your barometer of standards Joe is exhibiting the same level of professionalism in his spare time.

So the example of 1, JMG,proves that all is ok with our poorly performing captian going out for a drink?

What was JN charged with again?

[Bridge hibs]

The rumour mill had a few of them out all night after the game at Tannadice so you could be right

Ah the good old rumour mill, what would we do without it eh ? The ultra modern version of auld Aggie and her cronies hanging out of their tenement windows putting the world to rights, now we have fans forums for that.

[BoomtownHibees]

Maybe, but also... maybe not?

Maybe he could give it a try. Maybe it will help his overall fitness levels. Maybe it will help him be a better player. Maybe it will set a better example to others in the squad.

Or maybe not

[jeffers]

3 year contract extention, Gray should be gone just for that alone, but it does say something about where the club is going when a player as average as him is getting another 3 years.:boo hoo:

The contract offer to Newell had been made while Monty was still in charge, I can’t say for sure whether he ultimately signed it or not prior to DG being appointed. The captaincy absolutely was on DG. I’m not defending that, though I look around that squad and I struggle to see a natural leader.

[Centre Hawf]

Maybe he could give it a try. Maybe it will help his overall fitness levels. Maybe it will help him be a better player. Maybe it will set a better example to others in the squad.

Or maybe not

You're right. Maybe, maybe not.

I know we're a basket case right now. But I'd be astonished if Joe Newell was allowed to take the piss and drink and lose the run of his fitness levels. I think people need to calm down with these sort of things personally. There is zero context to any of this and you run the risk of just being outraged because it's what we're all done at the moment anyway.

[blackpoolhibs]

The contract offer to Newell had been made while Monty was still in charge, I can’t say for sure whether he ultimately signed it or not prior to DG being appointed. The captaincy absolutely was on DG. I’m not defending that, though I look around that squad and I struggle to see a natural leader.

Ah then i retract what i said.

[Donegal Hibby]

Do you know the circumstances?

Were you at the game last Sat?

What we all know is that he’s usually blowing out after 75 or so minutes as many have seen and highlighted on here. Maybe giving up the beer as many successful pros do, at least during the season would benefit. As hes anything but a successful pro now.

It was stated that he was out for beers which i think is a bit misleading in it sounds like was out on the lash … could beers not be a beer or beers be two drinks? , out on a Sunday afternoon could also mean he was out for a bit of lunch not a possibility to maybe ?….

I think some folk are jumping to conclusions without knowing the circumstances here …

I did watch the game and he was poor as were others and they have been getting called out for it too which is fair enough though for some of us to start having a go at a player that’s out on a Sunday afternoon with all due respect I think is getting all a bit silly now …

BTW I say this as someone that’s not a big fan of Newell either 😃

[Paulie Walnuts]

It was stated that he was out for beers which i think is a bit misleading in it sounds like was out on the lash … could beers not be a beer or beers be two drinks? , out on a Sunday afternoon could also mean he was out for a bit of lunch not a possibility to maybe ?….

I think some folk are jumping to conclusions without knowing the circumstances here …

I did watch the game and he was poor as were others and they have been getting called out for it too which is fair enough though for some of us to start having a go at a player that’s out on a Sunday afternoon with all due respect I think is getting all a bit silly now …

BTW I say this as someone that’s not a big fan of Newell either 😃

He was out for beers, not a beer. There was no food consumed whilst I was in the same establishment. Whilst not claiming they were pished, they’d had numerous pints and it sounded like they were moving on to the next pub when they left rather than calling it a day. Theres nothing misleading about it.

[WestStandWillie]

He was out for beers, not a beer. There was no food consumed whilst I was in the same establishment. Whilst not claiming they were pished, they’d had numerous pints and it sounded like they were moving on to the next pub when they left rather than calling it a day.

Calm down Isa, you'll give yourself gossip overload.

[Fergos]

It was stated that he was out for beers which i think is a bit misleading in it sounds like was out on the lash … could beers not be a beer or beers be two drinks? , out on a Sunday afternoon could also mean he was out for a bit of lunch not a possibility to maybe ?….

I think some folk are jumping to conclusions without knowing the circumstances here …

I did watch the game and he was poor as were others and they have been getting called out for it too which is fair enough though for some of us to start having a go at a player that’s out on a Sunday afternoon with all due respect I think is getting all a bit silly now …

BTW I say this as someone that’s not a big fan of Newell either 😃

Ill leave the response to this to the poster who was there. Its below.

[Donegal Hibby]

He was out for beers, not a beer. There was no food consumed whilst I was in the same establishment. Whilst not claiming they were pished, they’d had numerous pints and it sounded like they were moving on to the next pub when they left rather than calling it a day. Theres nothing misleading about it.

Fair enough if you were there and seen him having pints with his mates I believe you ….

considering we haven’t got a game until the 23rd ,he was probably just letting his hair down like we all need to do sometimes…

Storm in a teacup .

[Tyler Durden]

He was out for beers, not a beer. There was no food consumed whilst I was in the same establishment. Whilst not claiming they were pished, they’d had numerous pints and it sounded like they were moving on to the next pub when they left rather than calling it a day. Theres nothing misleading about it.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It's your own behaviour you need to look at. Pathetic.

[Hibernian Verse]

So the example of 1, JMG,proves that all is ok with our poorly performing captian going out for a drink?

What was JN charged with again?

Get a grip.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It's your own behaviour you need to look at. Pathetic.

In your opinion.

A professional footballer, and club captain at that, going out on the lash when he can barely manage 90 minutes, culminating in tired touches touches and lunging tackles leading to sending offs and 3 lost points for example, is an issue to me.

If youre happy with it though then crack on.

[SickBoy32]

In your opinion.

A professional footballer, and club captain at that, going out on the lash when he can barely manage 90 minutes, culminating in tired touches touches and lunging tackles leading to sending offs and 3 lost points for example, is an issue to me.

If youre happy with it though then crack on.

Correct.

He’s a loser with no interest in optimising his (and the teams) chances of success. Is it really that difficult to forego alcohol during the playing season?

Brass neck on him to be out in Edinburgh when he’s been ***** all season (for years really) and we’ve been rooted to the bottom of the league, pretty much all season.

[Tyler Durden]

In your opinion.

A professional footballer, and club captain at that, going out on the lash when he can barely manage 90 minutes, culminating in tired touches touches and lunging tackles leading to sending offs and 3 lost points for example, is an issue to me.

If youre happy with it though then crack on.

Maybe you should have told him that to his face?

He's been rubbish yes. Going out for drinks with mates when he has time off is not a crime though. It's not indicative of someone who doesn't care or isn't fit FFS. He does plenty voluntary stuff for the club and charities too.

Stick to criticising his on field performance, rather than creeping about telling tales.

[Donegal Hibby]

In your opinion.

A professional footballer, and club captain at that, going out on the lash when he can barely manage 90 minutes, culminating in tired touches touches and lunging tackles leading to sending offs and 3 lost points for example, is an issue to me.

If youre happy with it though then crack on.

I’m by no means a Joe Newell fan , in fact I been fairly critical of him in the past though seeing him out with his mates letting off some steam at the beginning of a international break is hardly a hanging offence….

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maybe you should have told him that to his face?

He's been rubbish yes. Going out for drinks with mates when he has time off is not a crime though. It's not indicative of someone who doesn't care or isn't fit FFS. He does plenty voluntary stuff for the club and charities too.

Stick to criticising his on field performance, rather than creeping about telling tales.

Aye, and then you’d be telling me I shouldn’t be heckling footballers in public.

Drinking alcohol has an impact on your fitness. Joe Newell doesn’t look fit, pretty much none of the team do, and he’s the captain of that team, a team who have shown an almost unmatched habit of not being able to see out games. It absolutely is indicative of someone who isn’t fit enough.

[JohnM1875]

In your opinion.

A professional footballer, and club captain at that, going out on the lash when he can barely manage 90 minutes, culminating in tired touches touches and lunging tackles leading to sending offs and 3 lost points for example, is an issue to me.

If youre happy with it though then crack on.

Open Goal were doing a ‘day in the life’ thing at Falkirk as McGlynn won manager of the month. They were talking to Coll Donaldson (captain by the way) and he was going on about how drinking in football has completely changed. Was out all the time when he’s younger and he’s now boring and sits in on Saturday nights.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m by no means a Joe Newell fan , in fact I been fairly critical of him in the past though seeing him out with his mates letting off some steam at the beginning of a international break is hardly a hanging offence….

I’m not sure anyone suggested hanging him.

An international break would seem an ideal time to work on getting fitter though seeing as you’ve not got to consider keeping yourself fresh for games, rather than a time for diminishing your already poor levels of fitness by bevvying.

It’s really just an example of someone who, whilst they’ll publicly claim that things haven’t been good enough, isn’t willing to make the sacrifices to make things get better. As club captain, that’s pretty disappointing.

[Fergos]

Get a grip.

Telling someone what to do?

Aye ok, nae bother, aye ill get a grip as you said so 😂.

The question was regarding a fact.

[Springbank]

It's about standards and respect for the supporters, the club, the league. And it's about the choices we make & the questions we ask of ourselves.

If I was captain of a football team with a top 4-5 budget, that was sitting bottom of the league, would I go out in Edinburgh in public, drinking?

If I was the guy who the gaffer looks to to help set standards in the dressing room, would I be doing that?

Do I take being captain seriously or am I maybe not really cut out for this leadership role?

[Stuart93]

I’m by no means a Joe Newell fan , in fact I been fairly critical of him in the past though seeing him out with his mates letting off some steam at the beginning of a international break is hardly a hanging offence….

Imagine he’d actually done enough to build up some steam to let off

He’s maybe had a few hard round at the golf mind you

[Hibernian Verse]

Telling someone what to do?

Aye ok, nae bother.

The question was regarding a fact. Live with it.

Aye ok, nae bother.

Telling someone what to do?

Your posts are full of contradictions.

[Fergos]

Aye ok, nae bother.

Telling someone what to do?

Your posts are full of contradictions.



Ive edited the live with it comment, not good enough from me.

Further examples of contradictions?

[jakedance]

This thread has taken a turn. Criticising a player for going out, when we don't know how often or to what extremes he does such a thing or what kind of effect, if any, it might have on his fitness or ability, is proper shan craic, IMHO.

[hibsbollah]

This thread has taken a turn. Criticising a player for going out, when we don't know how often or to what extremes he does such a thing or what kind of effect, if any, it might have on his fitness or ability, is proper shan craic, IMHO.

I think if folk thought it through, even if you do think that every athlete should be 100% abstentious, there's no way you can tell whether someones in a pub drinking something non alcoholic or not. It may also be a quick pre- before a meal or a film. I've seen Leigh Griffiths on a night out during his Hibs time and you could tell everyone in his group was absolutely steaming. I highly doubt that was the case here.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure anyone suggested hanging him.

An international break would seem an ideal time to work on getting fitter though seeing as you’ve not got to consider keeping yourself fresh for games, rather than a time for diminishing your already poor levels of fitness by bevvying.

As I said we don’t have a game until the 23rd which is almost two weeks away so it’s probably a good enough time for a player to live a little and have a bit of normality in their lives away from the game …

As to his fitness I’d say he has plenty of time to work on that in the coming days ….

I’m no Newell fan by any means though I haven’t heard anything about him missing training or being a disruptive character at the club , more involved in charity stuff and seems well like and respected.

He didn’t have a good game in our last game though there wasn’t many that did and he has rightly been criticised for it even though I think some of the wording that’s been aimed at him like “ Coward , Loser “ and such is a bit OTT IMO …

This now about him being out on a Sunday afternoon while you say nobody is suggesting to hang the guy for it does appear to be a stick that’s going to be used against him though ..

My opinion is Newell hasn’t done anything whatsoever wrong and it’s just something being blown out of proportion due to fans understandably being unhappy and angry .

[WhileTheChief..]

Usually whenever we have a quality player on the books, other clubs come sniffing around or the player looks to move on at the end of his contract.

I don’t remember any bids, or even rumours, that another club wanted him.

We should pay up his contract at the earliest opportunity and let him move on.

[hibee-boys]

I’m more concerned with Joe’s inability to positively influence games than him allegedly having a beer or 2, 2 weeks before our next game. Do people expect our players to be house bound during a bad run? What’s next…..I seen Josh Campbell at the pictures with his bird…..and it was a comedy…..and he laughed!

[JohnM1875]

I’m more concerned with Joe’s inability to positively influence games than him allegedly having a beer or 2, 2 weeks before our next game. Do people expect our players to be house bound during a bad run? What’s next…..I seen Josh Campbell at the pictures with his bird…..and it was a comedy…..and he laughed!

Think folk would maybe be more understanding if it was a one-off. But this is what, twice in as many weeks?

Newell's performances have definitely dipped so that doesn’t help shape people’s thoughts on the matter. Same as being bottom of the league won't help.

[GreenPJ]

The fitness of our players (not just Joe) is poor and I buy into the fact that its as much fitness as any mental block that causes us to concede so many late goals.

[Centre Hawf]

Usually whenever we have a quality player on the books, other clubs come sniffing around or the player looks to move on at the end of his contract.

I don’t remember any bids, or even rumours, that another club wanted him.

We should pay up his contract at the earliest opportunity and let him move on.

This forum would have us bankrupt and playerless the amount of contracts we should be paying up apparently.

[WhileTheChief..]

This forum would have us bankrupt and playerless the amount of contracts we should be paying up apparently.

It costs us the same whether they are here or their contract are paid up.

We've got a huge squad and can easily get rid of a bunch of them now. They're doing more harm than good by being at the club.

[Centre Hawf]

It costs us the same whether they are here or their contract are paid up.

We've got a huge squad and can easily get rid of a bunch of them now. They're doing more harm than good by being at the club.

The ones not playing and into their final 6/7 months at the club? Sure. I can buy that.

But guys who are currently playing and contributing (admittedly poorly)? How do we replace them when we’ve *****ed the budgets on paying everyone off?

[WestStandWillie]

This thread has went bad.

One person sees a player out having a couple of drinks, thinks he's out getting tanked up (without food :faf::faf:) then speculates that he may have went to another pub for more.

Absolute witch hunt stuff

[NC1875]

He should maybe have a couple of pints before his next game.

You never know, he surely can’t be any worse!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m more concerned with Joe’s inability to positively influence games than him allegedly having a beer or 2, 2 weeks before our next game. Do people expect our players to be house bound during a bad run? What’s next…..I seen Josh Campbell at the pictures with his bird…..and it was a comedy…..and he laughed!

I’m not sure going to the cinema is quite the same as doing what is widely considered to be one of the most detrimental things you can do to your body with regards to fitness. Especially when the team you’re captain of looks completely unfit.

[hibee-boys]

I’m not sure going to the cinema is quite the same as doing what is widely considered to be one of the most detrimental things you can do to your body with regards to fitness. Especially when the team you’re captain of looks completely unfit.

Depends on how much energy is expended in the back row😳

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure anyone suggested hanging him.

An international break would seem an ideal time to work on getting fitter though seeing as you’ve not got to consider keeping yourself fresh for games, rather than a time for diminishing your already poor levels of fitness by bevvying.

As I said we don’t have a game until the 23rd which is almost two weeks away so it’s probably a good enough time for a player to live a little and have a bit of normality in their lives away from the game …

As to his fitness I’d say he has plenty of time to work on that in the coming days ….

I’m no Newell fan by any means though I haven’t heard anything about him missing training or being a disruptive character at the club , more involved in charity stuff and seems well like and respected.

He didn’t have a good game in our last game though there wasn’t many that did and he has rightly been criticised for it even though I think some of the wording that’s been aimed at him like “ Coward , Loser “ and such is a bit OTT IMO …

This now about him being out on a Sunday afternoon while you say nobody is suggesting to hang the guy for it does appear to be a stick that’s going to be used against him though ..

My opinion is Newell hasn’t done anything whatsoever wrong and it’s just something being blown out of proportion due to fans understandably being unhappy and angry .

[marinello59]

This thread has went bad.

One person sees a player out having a couple of drinks, thinks he's out getting tanked up (without food :faf::faf:) then speculates that he may have went to another pub for more.

Absolute witch hunt stuff

Spot on with the witch hunt comment. As poor as it gets here.

[easty]

Spot on with the witch hunt comment. As poor as it gets here.

:agree:

[Hibiza]

Non contributor in any way .👋💼

[Saint Hibee]

I think if folk thought it through, even if you do think that every athlete should be 100% abstentious, there's no way you can tell whether someones in a pub drinking something non alcoholic or not. It may also be a quick pre- before a meal or a film. I've seen Leigh Griffiths on a night out during his Hibs time and you could tell everyone in his group was absolutely steaming. I highly doubt that was the case here.

I'd rather have a drunk Leigh Griffiths than a sober Joe Newell. Bring back Sparky now!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd rather have a drunk Leigh Griffiths than a sober Joe Newell. Bring back Sparky now!

I’m also not sure using Leigh Griffiths as an example of why it’s ok to behave like that stands up to much scrutiny :greengrin

[oconnors_strip]

I’m not sure going to the cinema is quite the same as doing what is widely considered to be one of the most detrimental things you can do to your body with regards to fitness. Especially when the team you’re captain of looks completely unfit.

What exactly was Joe drinking?

[Paulie Walnuts]

What exactly was Joe drinking?

Tennents.

[HarpOnHibee]

I seen Josh Campbell at the pictures with his bird…..and it was a comedy…..and he laughed!

Was it a re-run of our previous several games?

[Bridge hibs]

Tennents.

Well thats a sackable offence right there 🤢

[oconnors_strip]

Tennents.

Makes him even less of a captain….have some style off the park Joe!

[Donegal Hibby]

https://youtu.be/EgS-m2Xltnk?si=k3RxW4Gu2n5ZSske …. J-O-O-E :grr:

[blackpoolhibs]

I’m more concerned with Joe’s inability to positively influence games than him allegedly having a beer or 2, 2 weeks before our next game. Do people expect our players to be house bound during a bad run? What’s next…..I seen Josh Campbell at the pictures with his bird…..and it was a comedy…..and he laughed!

I've watched Josh play football, i laughed too.

[Bobby's Cinema]

It's about standards and respect for the supporters, the club, the league. And it's about the choices we make & the questions we ask of ourselves.

If I was captain of a football team with a top 4-5 budget, that was sitting bottom of the league, would I go out in Edinburgh in public, drinking?

If I was the guy who the gaffer looks to to help set standards in the dressing room, would I be doing that?

Do I take being captain seriously or am I maybe not really cut out for this leadership role?
Spot on. And I think we know the resounding answer to that one.

[Haymaker]

I'd rather have a drunk Leigh Griffiths than a sober Joe Newell. Bring back Sparky now!Firm agree.

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[hibsbollah]

I'd rather have a drunk Leigh Griffiths than a sober Joe Newell. Bring back Sparky now!

This game definitely has legs. Who would you rather in goals, sober Bursik or 4 pints-deep Marciano? Pele on ketamine vs Gordon Banks eccy-ed up, does he still make the save?

[Itsnoteasy]

I probably like him more as a player than most of our support but I wouldn't appoint someone with a drink driving conviction as my captain.

Maybe that's a bit puritan but I want my captain to lead by example both on and off the pitch.

Spot on. Given that Gray said Newell & Gray were the senior pros and were to be given leadership roles. Not much for a youngster to look up to given both have been convicted for drink driving offences. They were assigned this after model pros Hanlon & Stevenson left the building.

[Itsnoteasy]

I'd rather have a drunk Leigh Griffiths than a sober Joe Newell. Bring back Sparky now!

I can confirm I have never seen Joe Newell standing on a chair orchestrating a sing song about Rudi Skacel in The Roseburn Bar.

[7Hero]

It's the International break, Joe's having a beer and the CEO is away to the Caribbean, what exactly is the problem with everyone relaxing a bit ..

[Bostonhibby]

I can confirm I have never seen Joe Newell standing on a chair orchestrating a sing song about Rudi Skacel in The Roseburn Bar.To be fair he was going to do it but the singing was over by the time he arrived.

Did play a quick wall pass round the chair though.

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[GreenCastle]

It's the International break, Joe's having a beer and the CEO is away to the Caribbean, what exactly is the problem with everyone relaxing a bit ..

Exactly - things are going well.

The league table is looking good.

Standards are high - everyone is leading and setting an example from the front..

I hope more players are out having drinks and more staff at the club taking holidays.

Easter Road should be empty and East Mains closed.

[RossScott1991]

When I started this thread I wasn’t expecting it to go in direction of discussing Newell having pints 😂

Back to my original post though, I just feel it is time to move him on or be demoted to bench. He isn’t the answer and never has been and I just don’t see Hibs ever being good with guys like Newell being regulars.

I just don’t understand why ever manager plays him every week.

[Jones28]

Tennents.

Man of the people 👍

[The Modfather]

When I started this thread I wasn’t expecting it to go in direction of discussing Newell having pints 😂

Back to my original post though, I just feel it is time to move him on or be demoted to bench. He isn’t the answer and never has been and I just don’t see Hibs ever being good with guys like Newell being regulars.

I just don’t understand why ever manager plays him every week.

Same with C Cadden, Campbell, Boyle, and to a lesser extents Miller & Obita. While they all continue to start a good number of games in 2024 we will continue to struggle and churn through managers.