Players Out on Loan

[Bishop Hibee]

I’ve lost count and track. I do see Murray Aiken is playing right back for Airdrie not midfield. Airdrie really struggling this season although I don’t see reports it’s Murray Johnson at fault.

Anybody got any updates on how other loan players are performing?

[Onceinawhile]

I’ve lost count and track. I do see Murray Aiken is playing right back for Airdrie not midfield. Airdrie really struggling this season although I don’t see reports it’s Murray Johnson at fault.

Anybody got any updates on how other loan players are performing?

Is he actually playing there, or is it just that livescore had him there?

[number9dream]

I’ve lost count and track. I do see Murray Aiken is playing right back for Airdrie not midfield. Airdrie really struggling this season although I don’t see reports it’s Murray Johnson at fault.

Anybody got any updates on how other loan players are performing?

Vente's got his own thread, as does Megwa...
Tavares not getting much a look in at M'well, Delferriere is in Luxembourg.
McAllister barely playing at Cove Rangers, which is disappointing.
O MacIntyre a regular at QotS.
J MacIntyre played a couple of games at Kelty Hearts but wasn't involved at the weekend after going off early last time - hope he's not injured again.
M Zaid - one goal for Annan, in and out of the team.

[HIBS NUTS]

Rory Whittaker not playing for Spartans .

[BSEJVT]

Yet another example of how the club is rotten from top to bottom and how our standards are way off what is required.

The pick of our bright young things are barely featuring for lower division clubs.

[easty]

Rory Whittaker not playing for Spartans .

He turned 17 about 10 weeks ago, and he's played in just about every game since he signed for them.

[greenpaper55]

Surely at least one of them is better than Mcirdy ?

[Hiber-nation]

He turned 17 about 10 weeks ago, and he's played in just about every game since he signed for them.

Sure he's only made a few sub appearances has he not?

[Trinity Hibee]

Sure he's only made a few sub appearances has he not?

Ye just checked and last 6-7 games He’s never started and most games he barely comes off the bench

[GreenCastle]

He turned 17 about 10 weeks ago, and he's played in just about every game since he signed for them.

He’s been there for 11 games and in total plYed about 180 mins of football - 2 games worth.

Most he’s played is 46 mins against Elgin.

That’s also in a Spartans side that have 1 win in 10 games.

[wookie70]

Sure he's only made a few sub appearances has he not? Played around the equivalent of 3 games with longest time in a game 45 minutes. Getting games at his age is pretty decent so not overly concerned at his development. I really though McAllister would get game time. He looks a real prospect with a bit about him but he has only been on the park 3 times for a total of 66 minutes. Still only 18 so lots of time but like Rory not playing enough games

[easty]

He’s been there for 11 games and in total plYed about 180 mins of football - 2 games worth.

Most he’s played is 46 mins against Elgin.

That’s also in a Spartans side that have 1 win in 10 games.

He's only just turned 17 year old. There are only 2 players who are younger than him who've played any football in Scotland at all this season in the top 4 leagues, both have played less football than he has.

It's not easy playing first team football that young.

[easty]

Played around the equivalent of 3 games with longest time in a game 45 minutes. Getting games at his age is pretty decent so not overly concerned at his development. I really though McAllister would get game time. He looks a real prospect with a bit about him but he has only been on the park 3 times for a total of 66 minutes. Still only 18 so lots of time but like Rory not playing enough games

:agree:

[Centre Hawf]

A reminder that Rudi barely played last season on his loan and came in and looked decent.

I get the impression at that level a lot of guys like to use loans to pad the squad out rather than sign too many starters. Rory and Ruben are still young laddies and hopefully at the very least they come away from this season with more experience.

[superfurryhibby]

He's only just turned 17 year old. There are only 2 players who are younger than him who've played any football in Scotland at all this season in the top 4 leagues, both have played less football than he has.

It's not easy playing first team football that young.

Totally agree, he's far from being fully developed physically.

It begs the question as to wtf Monty was doing playing him in our first team.

[HIBS NUTS]

He has had less and less game time, he hasent made the squad, in the last 2 games.
19th and and 26th of October, he’s been back playing for the under 18,s.
Most recently as a centre midfielder against Dunfermline in the Scottish cup.
Spartans are really really poor, and he isn’t getting a game.
Hibs should place these young guys, with teams who are going to play them.

[HIBS NUTS]

I’m guessing that he’s been recalled.
I have heard he was expected to get more game time.
i agree he’s very young, but these loans do have to be looked at.

[1875Sean]

Josh O’Connor couldn’t get a game for a team in Ireland fighting relegation, not looking good

[1875Sean]

He turned 17 about 10 weeks ago, and he's played in just about every game since he signed for them.

No he hasn’t, been on the bench more than he has played

[andrew70]

I’m guessing that he’s been recalled, but I think he’s been recalled.
I have heard he was expected to get more game time.
i agree he’s very young, but these loans do have to be looked at.

He was definitely not allowed to play in the Scottish Cup tie. Hibs didn’t want him cup tied.

Shocker of a result for them mind you.

[HIBS NUTS]

Josh O’Connor couldn’t get a game for a team in Ireland fighting relegation, not looking good
Not for him definitely.

[Billy Whizz]

I’m guessing that he’s been recalled.
I have heard he was expected to get more game time.
i agree he’s very young, but these loans do have to be looked at.

Can/does Rory play for Hibs 18’s

[HIBS NUTS]

Totally agree, he's far from being fully developed physically.

It begs the question as to wtf Monty was doing playing him in our first team.
100 percent this

[HIBS NUTS]

For anyone who hasent seen Dean Clelland play, I’ve never seen a young guy, put as much effort into playing football, he is absolutely non stop.
He scores every week at under 18,s.
He is very slight, but I would much rather he had played the last 10 minutes against Ross county than McKirdy.
Hearts played a 18 year old striker who scored against us recently.

[Centre Hawf]

Josh O’Connor couldn’t get a game for a team in Ireland fighting relegation, not looking good

Dundalk are at risk of going out of business, I'd hazard a guess that they can't afford to maybe even play him if they're meant to be paying anything.

[wookie70]

For anyone who hasent seen Dean Clelland play, I’ve never seen a young guy, put as much effort into playing football, he is absolutely non stop.
He scores every week at under 18,s.
He is very slight, but I would much rather he had played the last 10 minutes against Ross county than McKirdy.
Hearts played a 18 year old striker who scored against us recently.

I think he was 17. Was the Aberdeen lad that scored last year not 17 too. I agree though. There has been nothing about McKirdy that suggest he will ever even be a useful sub. He is guaranteed to be away as soon as his contract ends so I would also rather see home grown youngster come on for cameos. As for being slight I can't think of a player more lightweight than McKirdy.

[HIBS NUTS]

I think he was 17. Was the Aberdeen lad that scored last year not 17 too. I agree though. There has been nothing about McKirdy that suggest he will ever even be a useful sub. He is guaranteed to be away as soon as his contract ends so I would also rather see home grown youngster come on for cameos. As for being slight I can't think of a player more lightweight than McKirdy.
Agree
It also shows that if the young guys are flying, they get rewarded.
im not saying play him every week, but when we have no other alternatives, apart from guys that will be away soon, why not, he would definitely put in a shift .

[1875Sean]

Dundalk are at risk of going out of business, I'd hazard a guess that they can't afford to maybe even play him if they're meant to be paying anything.

Why would they bring him off the bench in that case? Have a feeling he just isn’t cutting it, promised so much a few years ago

[21May16]

Can/does Rory play for Hibs 18’s

Yes. He played in the Scottish Youth Cup game v Dunfermline a couple of weeks back.

[Centre Hawf]

Why would they bring him off the bench in that case? Have a feeling he just isn’t cutting it, promised so much a few years ago

He hasn't came off the bench since his only appearance at the start of the loan, and has only been on the bench once more before not being involved at all in the last 8 games.

If it is purely because he isn't good enough to get a game then it's a pretty poor situation for him to be in, I know he didn't get a load of starts for Airdrie but he was playing games at least.

[HIBS NUTS]

He hasn't came off the bench since his only appearance at the start of the loan, and has only been on the bench once more before not being involved at all in the last 8 games.

If it is purely because he isn't good enough to get a game then it's a pretty poor situation for him to be in, I know he didn't get a load of starts for Airdrie but he was playing games at least.
He’s left weeks ago

[Centre Hawf]

He’s left weeks ago

That was my thought. I believe Dundalks issues really hit the fan after his loan started and can imagine he was sent packing back here as a result of it. Just he can't do anything until January.

[easty]

No he hasn’t, been on the bench more than he has played

I didn't say he'd started just about every game, I said he'd played in just about every game. He's been an unused sub once.

[Billy Whizz]

Yes. He played in the Scottish Youth Cup game v Dunfermline a couple of weeks back.

And there maybe one of the problems. Hibs have a history of loaning players to part time clubs, but insist on them training with Hibs through the week.
Sometimes they may only train with their loan team once a week, so possibly won’t start ahead of players who are training twice with them

[Dmas]

And there maybe one of the problems. Hibs have a history of loaning players to part time clubs, but insist on them training with Hibs through the week.
Sometimes they may only train with their loan team once a week, so possibly won’t start ahead of players who are training twice with them

this is development loan is it not? I was under the impression they came back on the days not training at the club not actually missing training days due to being with us

[CapitalGreen]

this is development loan is it not? I was under the impression they came back on the days not training at the club not actually missing training days due to being with us

Part time teams train in the evening, they miss training sessions with their loan clubs if they are playing development games for Hibs.

[HIBS NUTS]

He turned 17 about 10 weeks ago, and he's played in just about every game since he signed for them.
As previous posters have said, he has hardly played any minutes, his only start is 17th September when he was subbed after 46 minutes.
This is for a league 2 side, in free fall, there results have been honking.
Im going to the under 18s tonight and fully expect him to be playing.
He might have been recalled.

[Unseen work]

As previous posters have said, he has hardly played any minutes, his only start is 17th September when he was subbed after 46 minutes.
This is for a league 2 side, in free fall, there results have been honking.
Im going to the under 18s tonight and fully expect him to be playing.
He might have been recalled.

The things you’ve said make me think that’s the exact reason why he’s not playing

League 2 side in free fall.

Thats the sort of time a manager of a club like that will say he needs experience etc and doesn’t want to risk an inexperienced right back playing.

I think Rory is a really good young player who will have a good career

[HIBS NUTS]

The things you’ve said make me think that’s the exact reason why he’s not playing

League 2 side in free fall.

Thats the sort of time a manager of a club like that will say he needs experience etc and doesn’t want to risk an inexperienced right back playing.

I think Rory is a really good young player who will have a good career
👍

[Crab apple]

I think he was 17. Was the Aberdeen lad that scored last year not 17 too. I agree though. There has been nothing about McKirdy that suggest he will ever even be a useful sub. He is guaranteed to be away as soon as his contract ends so I would also rather see home grown youngster come on for cameos. As for being slight I can't think of a player more lightweight than McKirdy.

I agree. McKirdy ran about a lot in Dingwall when he came on but to no effect. He looked like a wee boy lost against the RC defenders.

[HIBS NUTS]

Rory Whittaker playing for the only under 18s tonight, so I can’t see him playing for Spartans again.

[1875Sean]

Rory Whittaker playing for the only under 18s tonight, so I can’t see him playing for Spartans again.

Sure he’s played for the 18s since he’s joined them

[HIBS NUTS]

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Sure he’s played for the 18s since he’s joined them
Nope he doesn’t.
hes played for under 18s , since he wasent getting game time for Spartans, see past posts.
on this thread.
under 18s play Friday nights, how can he play Saturday.

[The dalmeny]

And there maybe one of the problems. Hibs have a history of loaning players to part time clubs, but insist on them training with Hibs through the week.
Sometimes they may only train with their loan team once a week, so possibly won’t start ahead of players who are training twice with them

Simplistically, League 1 & 2 are part time so of course a player will continue to train with his ft club.

It's not unusual for a ft player to only train once a week with their loan team either. Often they'll have that day off. I wouldn't expect this to affect team selection.

I

[21May16]

Simplistically, League 1 & 2 are part time so of course a player will continue to train with his ft club.

It's not unusual for a ft player to only train once a week with their loan team either. Often they'll have that day off. I wouldn't expect this to affect team selection.

I

Not all players okay development games when the team they are on loan to are training though, I think that was the point but I could be wrong. You miss 50% of the training sessions with your child team you have less of a chance of getting picked unless you are an absolute stand out.

[1875Sean]

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Nope he doesn’t.
hes played for under 18s , since he wasent getting game time for Spartans, see past posts.
on this thread.
under 18s play Friday nights, how can he play Saturday.


What I said is he has played for the under 18s since joining them and he has

https://www.youthfootballscotland.co.uk/hibernian-edge-past-dunfermline-on-penalties-in-the-scottish-fa-youth-cup/

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/october/07/u18s-report--celtic-0-hibs-3/

I know that playing tonight will mean he won’t play tomorrow but that shows where he is, never should have really played in our first team, shows he wasn’t ready

[The dalmeny]

Not all players okay development games when the team they are on loan to are training though, I think that was the point but I could be wrong. You miss 50% of the training sessions with your child team you have less of a chance of getting picked unless you are an absolute stand out.

Expectations of any loan will be thrashed out before it's completed. If you aren't standing out in training, why should you expect to be selected?

[wookie70]

What I said is he has played for the under 18s since joining them and he has

https://www.youthfootballscotland.co.uk/hibernian-edge-past-dunfermline-on-penalties-in-the-scottish-fa-youth-cup/

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/october/07/u18s-report--celtic-0-hibs-3/

I know that playing tonight will mean he won’t play tomorrow but that shows where he is, never should have really played in our first team, shows he wasn’t ready

He played against Alloa in the cup too with Megwa. Not sure if they had been loaned at that point

[21May16]

Expectations of any loan will be thrashed out before it's completed. If you aren't standing out in training, why should you expect to be selected?

There’s more chance of standing out in training if you aren’t missing 50% of the training.

[The dalmeny]

There’s more chance of standing out in training if you aren’t missing 50% of the training.


Its not kids football

[21May16]

Its not kids football

How do you mean?

[w pilton hibby]

"How Dundee outscored Celtic in eyes of Steve Clarke and where rest of Premiership rank as one club handed a zero"

From the Scotsman

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/how-dundee-outscored-celtic-in-eyes-of-steve-clarke-and-where-rest-of-premiership-rank-as-one-club-handed-a-zero-4848586

[Billy Whizz]

We’ve also got Freddie Owens on loan at CSS, and playing every week
Good young goalie and 19 still very young for that position

[Golden Bear]

I’ve lost count and track. I do see Murray Aiken is playing right back for Airdrie not midfield. Airdrie really struggling this season although I don’t see reports it’s Murray Johnson at fault.

Anybody got any updates on how other loan players are performing?

Murray Aiken played right back in that game as there were few other options available to the Manager due to an extensive injury list. Unfortunately he picked up another knock on the same ankle he was out with for a long period of time last season, however I don't think it's too serious this time.

[Ozyhibby]

Ye just checked and last 6-7 games He’s never started and most games he barely comes off the bench

His dad publicly criticising Spartans for not playing him every week will not be helping.


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[HIBS NUTS]

Murray Johnstone didn’t Play in Airdrie 4-0 defeat today.

[Ozyhibby]

His dad publicly criticising Spartans for not playing him every week will not be helping.


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Called for Spartans manager to be sacked last night and slagged off Spartans players. Expect this loan move to end soon.


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[Billy Whizz]

Called for Spartans manager to be sacked last night and slagged off Spartans players. Expect this loan move to end soon.


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Spartans manager is a legend at the club, only one thing will happen with this
Hope his dad doesn’t derail his career

[followhibs]

Vente's got his own thread, as does Megwa...
Tavares not getting much a look in at M'well, Delferriere is in Luxembourg.
McAllister barely playing at Cove Rangers, which is disappointing.
O MacIntyre a regular at QotS.
J MacIntyre played a couple of games at Kelty Hearts but wasn't involved at the weekend after going off early last time - hope he's not injured again.
M Zaid - one goal for Annan, in and out of the team.

I am aware that not all players are going to make it and going on loan is not to gain them experience for playing for Hibs but merely to get the players to find there level.
However it is very concerning the amount of players we don't produce successfully into our first team.
I took in a Queen of the south v Annan last Saturday, not the best game conditions were terrible, one player that did standout was Oscar Macintyre, delighted to see he is one of ours.
Played left wing back, Very aggressive going forward, great touches and equally as harding working defending.
I asked out of curiosity a few fans after the game what's he been like Queens fans raved about him and said easily there best player but is playing in a poor team as this was a local derby there were Annan fans in my company too said he was outstanding in there relegation battle last season and played a massive part in them staying up.
I googled it started/finished every game for Annan since joining in January then back out on loan to Queens where the Annan manager moved too and started/finished every game this season.
It will be interesting to see what opportunity this excellent young Scottish player (I am sure he is one of many) will get next season or if Hibs will continue with trust to
process and carry on signing old, injured, released, free English lower league players on ridiculous long contracts, so far it is serving us well we are 12th!!!!!!!

[McD]

I am aware that not all players are going to make it and going on loan is not to gain them experience for playing for Hibs but merely to get the players to find there level.
However it is very concerning the amount of players we don't produce successfully into our first team.
I took in a Queen of the south v Annan last Saturday, not the best game conditions were terrible, one player that did standout was Oscar Macintyre, delighted to see he is one of ours.
Played left wing back, Very aggressive going forward, great touches and equally as harding working defending.
I asked out of curiosity a few fans after the game what's he been like Queens fans raved about him and said easily there best player but is playing in a poor team as this was a local derby there were Annan fans in my company too said he was outstanding in there relegation battle last season and played a massive part in them staying up.
I googled it started/finished every game for Annan since joining in January then back out on loan to Queens where the Annan manager moved too and started/finished every game this season.
It will be interesting to see what opportunity this excellent young Scottish player (I am sure he is one of many) will get next season or if Hibs will continue with trust to
process and carry on signing old, injured, released, free English lower league players on ridiculous long contracts, so far it is serving us well we are 12th!!!!!!!


There’s a balance to be struck between just throwing young players into a difficult situation and getting them minutes in the team, but given how poorly we've been playing and how many players aren’t performing particularly well, I wouldn’t be averse to bringing both Macintyres, Clelland, McAllister, Megwa and maybe young Whittaker into the first team squad, and sensibly giving them a chance in the side.


We’re crying out for some creativity in midfield, don’t really have a back up attacking left back, certainly not scoring many goals, and right back isn’t exactly a position of strength. Would rather see our young players getting opportunities over some of the guys who aren’t doing anything and not pressured for their place in the team

[HIBS NUTS]

I am aware that not all players are going to make it and going on loan is not to gain them experience for playing for Hibs but merely to get the players to find there level.
However it is very concerning the amount of players we don't produce successfully into our first team.
I took in a Queen of the south v Annan last Saturday, not the best game conditions were terrible, one player that did standout was Oscar Macintyre, delighted to see he is one of ours.
Played left wing back, Very aggressive going forward, great touches and equally as harding working defending.
I asked out of curiosity a few fans after the game what's he been like Queens fans raved about him and said easily there best player but is playing in a poor team as this was a local derby there were Annan fans in my company too said he was outstanding in there relegation battle last season and played a massive part in them staying up.
I googled it started/finished every game for Annan since joining in January then back out on loan to Queens where the Annan manager moved too and started/finished every game this season.
It will be interesting to see what opportunity this excellent young Scottish player (I am sure he is one of many) will get next season or if Hibs will continue with trust to
process and carry on signing old, injured, released, free English lower league players on ridiculous long contracts, so far it is serving us well we are 12th!!!!!!!
Both Oscar and Jacob McIntyre are very talented, with great attitudes.👍

[HIBS NUTS]

There’s a balance to be struck between just throwing young players into a difficult situation and getting them minutes in the team, but given how poorly we've been playing and how many players aren’t performing particularly well, I wouldn’t be averse to bringing both Macintyres, Clelland, McAllister, Megwa and maybe young Whittaker into the first team squad, and sensibly giving them a chance in the side.


We’re crying out for some creativity in midfield, don’t really have a back up attacking left back, certainly not scoring many goals, and right back isn’t exactly a position of strength. Would rather see our young players getting opportunities over some of the guys who aren’t doing anything and not pressured for their place in the team
Malik Zaid was fantastic today, for the development team in the cup

[JimBHibees]

Both Oscar and Jacob McIntyre are very talented, with great attitudes.👍

How is Jacob getting on in his loan?

[HIBS NUTS]

How is Jacob getting on in his loan?
He played the first few games from the start, but he hasent been in their squad the last couple, I suspect he’s injured .

[PHeffernan]

Most of our young guys are out on loan in the 3rd tier in Scotland so are clearly not ready for Hibs yet.
Being out on loan is a great way of ascertaining their level and progress in the different world of mens football.
Those still in contract next season probably need to do well enough this season to get a move up to a Championship club next season.

O'Connor will need a great loan spell in the 2nd half of the season to have any chance of a new contract at Hibs and the club will need to decide this month if they are going to make a play for young McAllister to extend his contract beyond the summer.

Aiken and Jacob McIntyre have already had to deal with the scourge of footballers lives, serious injury, which has set both back a bit. Are both injured again?
Even the highly rate Johnson is being tested at Airdrie and only made the bench at the weekend for the leagues bottom club.

Megwa has clearly established himself at Championship level at the age of 20 and I would like to see him back at Hibs or on loan at a smaller team in our own league.
Miller and Cadden are both out of contract in a little over 6 months and it's unlikely we keep both with Megwa about. Caddens injury record and wage level could see him being the one to move on.

[followhibs]

Most of our young guys are out on loan in the 3rd tier in Scotland so are clearly not ready for Hibs yet.
Being out on loan is a great way of ascertaining their level and progress in the different world of mens football.
Those still in contract next season probably need to do well enough this season to get a move up to a Championship club next season.

O'Connor will need a great loan spell in the 2nd half of the season to have any chance of a new contract at Hibs and the club will need to decide this month if they are going to make a play for young McAllister to extend his contract beyond the summer.

Aiken and Jacob McIntyre have already had to deal with the scourge of footballers lives, serious injury, which has set both back a bit. Are both injured again?
Even the highly rate Johnson is being tested at Airdrie and only made the bench at the weekend for the leagues bottom club.

Megwa has clearly established himself at Championship level at the age of 20 and I would like to see him back at Hibs or on loan at a smaller team in our own league.
Miller and Cadden are both out of contract in a little over 6 months and it's unlikely we keep both with Megwa about. Caddens injury record and wage level could see him being the one to move on.

Don't disagree with you that the loan deals are are great way for young players to cut there teeth and find there level. My real point is due to the shambolic manager merry go round, shocking player recuirtment which blocks the pathway and the poor league positions over the last 4 years especially considering our player spend, what chance have quality young Scottish players got at Hibs. We don't know if they are ready as there is massive unused first team squad running there contracts down blocking the pathway are they Hibs ready ? Who is Hibs ready in that team we are 12th!!!
Everyone harps on regards the Golden Generation(quite rightly) Willamson was forced to play them due to financial restraints, theses were young Scottish players that were hungry and loved and understood our club, turned out not too bad.

[The dalmeny]

e it and going on loan is not to gain them experience for playing for Hibs but merely to get the players to find there level.
!!!!!!!

Never heard such bobbins in my puff.

[JimBHibees]

He played the first few games from the start, but he hasent been in their squad the last couple, I suspect he’s injured .

Not great

[HIBS NUTS]

Here is the problem, when we had the latest batch of really good young players, from the under 18s that done well in Europe , we had loads of change of managers, that were entirely interested in results only, ultimately they all failed, however they wanted a quick fix, and none of these young players were given a proper chance.
They or the recruitment team, brought in lots of players , most were rubbish.
I’ve asked a few of them why they didn’t get a chance, and the same answer was, when they DID train with the first team squad, there was a ridiculous number of players training, and they had no chance of standing out, or the manager taking a chance on them.
We still have in my opinion a few that could make an impact if fit .

Murray Johnstone goalkeeper
MEGWA right back
Oscar McIntyre left back
Jacob McIntyre attacking midfield
Malik Zaid attacking midfield

Current 18s top of the league again
Dean clelland forward
Josh landers forward (currently injured )
Jamie McMurdo right wing( left footed)

[HIBS NUTS]

Our 2 centrehalfs in Tuesdays development game were McGrath under 18, and Kenneth .
Mcgrath had a great game, and Kenneth should have got a red card in first half, but got one in the second half.
He was miles of the pace.
But when your bottom of the league young players have no chance of a game .

[Ribs1875]

Why we have never given Murray Johnson a chance is criminal. I watched him on our euro cup run and thought he was ready to make the step up to first team. He surely wouldn't be any worse than Bursik.

[HIBS NUTS]

Why we have never given Murray Johnson a chance is criminal. I watched him on our euro cup run and thought he was ready to make the step up to first team. He surely wouldn't be any worse than Bursik.
Agree , but even Boruc this week, made some great saves, he’s enormous and has a presence.
He is the loudest goalkeeper I’ve heard.
we have signed a goalkeeper permanently is his name Smith, �� I actually haven’t seen him play yet.

[followhibs]

Here is the problem, when we had the latest batch of really good young players, from the under 18s that done well in Europe , we had loads of change of managers, that were entirely interested in results only, ultimately they all failed, however they wanted a quick fix, and none of these young players were given a proper chance.
They or the recruitment team, brought in lots of players , most were rubbish.
I’ve asked a few of them why they didn’t get a chance, and the same answer was, when they DID train with the first team squad, there was a ridiculous number of players training, and they had no chance of standing out, or the manager taking a chance on them.
We still have in my opinion a few that could make an impact if fit .

Murray Johnstone goalkeeper
MEGWA right back
Oscar McIntyre left back
Jacob McIntyre attacking midfield
Malik Zaid attacking midfield

Current 18s top of the league again
Dean clelland forward
Josh landers forward (currently injured )
Jamie McMurdo right wing( left footed)

This exactly the point!!!! not only has the results and the recruitment at 1st team level been appauling and very expensive but our development of youth is woeful.
I highlighted Oscar Macintyre in my first post as I watched him play last week and he was outstanding and am concerned the way we are currently operating young players like him will bypassed for average(at best) journeyman pros.

[Unseen work]

Agree , but even Boruc this week, made some great saves, he’s enormous and has a presence.
He is the loudest goalkeeper I’ve heard.
we have signed a goalkeeper permanently is his name Smith, �� I actually haven’t seen him play yet.

You’d think these midweek development games would be ideal for smith so that if he is called upon he can step in

He won’t be match fit at all

[Billy Whizz]

You’d think these midweek development games would be ideal for smith so that if he is called upon he can step in

He won’t be match fit at all

I agree,but maybe a worry he’ll get injured
Also a soul destroying season for Boruc, so little game time

[PHeffernan]

Why we have never given Murray Johnson a chance is criminal. I watched him on our euro cup run and thought he was ready to make the step up to first team. He surely wouldn't be any worse than Bursik.


Nah, what you saw was him playing well in youth football against other youths.
He's now playing mens football and was dropped to the bench on Saturday for the worst team in the Championship which is probably evidence that he isn't playing well enough and consistently enough yet for Hibs first team. He is still only 19 and there are very few first choice teenage keepers playing above the second tier.

Bursik could be the youngest keeper in our league currently at the age of 24 and has had plenty supporter abuse and pundit criticism. There are 2 slightly younger keepers at St Johnstone (24 and 23) but both look well out of their depth at the moment and are again getting heaps of abuse.

Murray doesn't need that level of heat yet.
He's currently playing in a league where he can make mistakes and gain experience without the massive pressure for perfection he would face at Hibs.

[followhibs]

Nah, what you saw was him playing well in youth football against other youths.
He's now playing mens football and was dropped to the bench on Saturday for the worst team in the Championship which is probably evidence that he isn't playing well enough and consistently enough yet for Hibs first team. He is still only 19 and there are very few first choice teenage keepers playing above the second tier.

Bursik could be the youngest keeper in our league currently at the age of 24 and has had plenty supporter abuse and pundit criticism. There are 2 slightly younger keepers at St Johnstone (24 and 23) but both look well out of their depth at the moment and are again getting heaps of abuse.

Murray doesn't need that level of heat yet.
He's currently playing in a league where he can make mistakes and gain experience without the massive pressure for perfection he would face at Hibs.


100% agree I think Murray is an excellent young keeper and has a big future however our first team is not the place for him now especially in the current circumstances.

[HIBS NUTS]

100% agree I think Murray is an excellent young keeper and has a big future however our first team is not the place for him now especially in the current circumstances.
My friend Bumped into Kevin Dubrovski, this weekend, says he loves hibs.
Now that he is experienced, we could do a lot worse, than getting him.
100 percent he would come back.

[Ribs1875]

It would have made more sense taking the risk this season letting Boruc and Johnson fight it out for first choice. Johnson is getting game time, which is good. Boruc is out of contract at the end of the season. The writing is on the wall for the lad, which I am gutted about. I have never seen the point in bringing lads in from other countries to give them a flat, car and wages for them to never get a chance.

They brought Bursik and Smith in, who we probably wouldn't be any worse of without. It's another example of needlessly spending in areas we didn't need to, both their wages combined could have been spent elsewhere to improve the squad.

[Hiber-nation]

My friend Bumped into Kevin Dubrovski, this weekend, says he loves hibs.
Now that he is experienced, we could do a lot worse, than getting him.
100 percent he would come back.

Seen Kevin a few times this season. He's much improved but still hasn't got his decision making right yet. Kicking is much better. Not quite at the level we need but certainly Premier League level.

[HIBS NUTS]

Seen Kevin a few times this season. He's much improved but still hasn't got his decision making right yet. Kicking is much better. Not quite at the level we need but certainly Premier League level.
Surely a better option for a contract than the invisible man Smith.

[PHeffernan]

My friend Bumped into Kevin Dubrovski, this weekend, says he loves hibs.
Now that he is experienced, we could do a lot worse, than getting him.
100 percent he would come back.

Kev would be mad to come back to Hibs and besides Smith has that lazing about, back up, gig tied up for another season.

Kev is out of contract in the summer and will be 27.
A move to someone like St Johnstone would be a good next move for him.
Both their current keepers are inferior to him and they don't have money to bring in a big hitter so Kev would be No1.

[Musselbound]

Kev would be mad to come back to Hibs and besides Smith has that lazing about, back up, gig tied up for another season.

Kev is out of contract in the summer and will be 27.
A move to someone like St Johnstone would be a good next move for him.
Both their current keepers are inferior to him and they don't have money to bring in a big hitter so Kev would be No1.

I'm not sure our first choice keeper is better than him. Jury still out for me.

[followhibs]

Vente's got his own thread, as does Megwa...
Tavares not getting much a look in at M'well, Delferriere is in Luxembourg.
McAllister barely playing at Cove Rangers, which is disappointing.
O MacIntyre a regular at QotS.
J MacIntyre played a couple of games at Kelty Hearts but wasn't involved at the weekend after going off early last time - hope he's not injured again.
M Zaid - one goal for Annan, in and out of the team.

9th Nov.

Taveres : Didn't feature again yesterday
McAllister: 20 minutes, no real text on how he played but hasn't featured much at all this season.
O Macintyre : Another 90 min against top of the table team, talked up a fair bit from the commentators on Tv (game was live on Alba) top assist in a 1-1 draw.
J Macintyre : Ankle knock nothing serious back next week.
M Zaid : Only 4 minutes yesterday by all accounts Annan having a tough time.
R Whittaker : No minutes not looking like the best loan for him.
K Megwa : Sounds like another solid 90 in the championship, starts every week speaks for itself.

Interesting that 2 of our top performing loans Oscar (19) and Kanyo (20) play in positions that we are struggling in, Miller and Cadden its who least bad plays and Obita has zero competition so plays no matter what, Rudi is dropped from the match day squad in favour of the likes of Mckirdy, mind blowing, our development of young players non existent.

[HIBS NUTS]

9th Nov.

Taveres : Didn't feature again yesterday
McAllister: 20 minutes, no real text on how he played but hasn't featured much at all this season.
O Macintyre : Another 90 min against top of the table team, talked up a fair bit from the commentators on Tv (game was live on Alba) top assist in a 1-1 draw.
J Macintyre : Ankle knock nothing serious back next week.
M Zaid : Only 4 minutes yesterday by all accounts Annan having a tough time.
R Whittaker : No minutes not looking like the best loan for him.
K Megwa : Sounds like another solid 90 in the championship, starts every week speaks for itself.

Interesting that 2 of our top performing loans Oscar (19) and Kanyo (20) play in positions that we are struggling in, Miller and Cadden its who least bad plays and Obita has zero competition so plays no matter what, Rudi is dropped from the match day squad in favour of the likes of Mckirdy, mind blowing, our development of young players non existent.
Rory Whittaker was recalled weeks ago, he’s been playing under 18.

[HIBS NUTS]

Rory Whittaker was recalled weeks ago, he’s been playing under 18.
Murray Johnstone was on the bench for Airdrie.
I would recall the vast majority of the players on loan, if possible, in January, apart from the very young guys like Jacob McIntyre.
I would pay off
Kenneth
Amos
Mckirdy
Tavares.
Ask the guys to step up to the challenge of playing in the first team squad, and if they can’t do that, it’s time to look elsewhere.
We actually need a clean sweep of the squad, having these guys at training with no chance of playing can’t help.

[followhibs]

Rory Whittaker was recalled weeks ago, he’s been playing under 18.

Whittakers loan is until January, he plays 18s on a Friday due to lack of mintues on a Saturday.
He was on the bench for Spartans yesterday but unused, shame because these loans are to gain experience, doesn't seem to have had a opportunity.

[GreenCastle]

Kyle McClelland also on loan at Coleraine.

[followhibs]

Murray Johnstone was on the bench for Airdrie.
I would recall the vast majority of the players on loan, if possible, in January, apart from the very young guys like Jacob McIntyre.
I would pay off
Kenneth
Amos
Mckirdy
Tavares.
Ask the guys to step up to the challenge of playing in the first team squad, and if they can’t do that, it’s time to look elsewhere.
We actually need a clean sweep of the squad, having these guys at training with no chance of playing can’t help.

Totally agree, its an opportunity for them to prove what they have rather than wait until the summer, start the part of the re-build now with what we can control,
I am not talking about playing a bunch of kids to save the club just introduce 3/4 of them back in and give them a chance rather than blind punts on journeyman these guys have got us in the position we are in.
Soon find out if they will be part of the clubs future and financially no risk they are already in the club.

[1875Sean]

Murray Johnstone was on the bench for Airdrie.
I would recall the vast majority of the players on loan, if possible, in January, apart from the very young guys like Jacob McIntyre.
I would pay off
Kenneth
Amos
Mckirdy
Tavares.
Ask the guys to step up to the challenge of playing in the first team squad, and if they can’t do that, it’s time to look elsewhere.
We actually need a clean sweep of the squad, having these guys at training with no chance of playing can’t help.

Hibs are not going to pay off players who are out of contract in the summer

[HIBS NUTS]

Hibs are not going to pay off players who are out of contract in the summer
If they stay till summer, they will still pay them the same amount, and they are hanging about creating a bad atmosphere.😳

[Donegal Hibby]

Players on loan . I can’t understand why Whittaker is not getting game time …

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/hibs-loan-round-up-how-14-loanees-are-faring-from-championship-to-eredivisie/

[HIBS NUTS]

Players on loan . I can’t understand why Whittaker is not getting game time …

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/hibs-loan-round-up-how-14-loanees-are-faring-from-championship-to-eredivisie/
I think there has been a clash, between a party on the Whittaker side (not the player) and the Spartans management.😳
Hes settled in well, back playing for the under 18s, who are a decent group this year.
They should be even better with the return of Josh landers.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think there has been a clash, between a party on the Whittaker side (not the player) and the Spartans management.😳
Hes settled in well, back playing for the under 18s, who are a decent group this year.
They should be even better with the return of Josh landers.

Going by what I seen of him playing under Monty I thought he looked a excellent prospect and was baffled by a lack of game time at Spartans , thought O’conner looked promising as well and surprised it’s not working out for him at Dundalk though I think they had some serious financial issues…. Landers a good prospect then?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Whittaker isn’t getting a game because he isn’t good enough.

Kieran Watson that plays right back for Spartans is a superior player. Theres no shame in that at Whittakers age, but put simply, he’s not even someone that should really be on people’s radar at this point in time, he’s not ready for regular first team men’s professional football. It all got a bit daft having him in the team last season.

[McD]

Going by what I seen of him playing under Monty I thought he looked a excellent prospect and was baffled by a lack of game time at Spartans , thought O’conner looked promising as well and surprised it’s not working out for him at Dundalk though I think they had some serious financial issues…. Landers a good prospect then?



I think O’Connor’s challenge is that he’s decent at most things, but not a standout at any. He’s not a lethal finisher or got the technique that made Deek stand out, he’s not got the physicality or power his Dad had, not got the level of technical ability fletcher had, not really tall or strong, and so on.


He’s not bad at those things, just not got that one thing that stands out

[HIBS NUTS]

Going by what I seen of him playing under Monty I thought he looked a excellent prospect and was baffled by a lack of game time at Spartans , thought O’conner looked promising as well and surprised it’s not working out for him at Dundalk though I think they had some serious financial issues…. Landers a good prospect then?
I think Dean Clelland is a better all round forward at the moment, and has incredible energy.
However Josh landers , is a big big lad physically, so might be able to cope easer, in men’s football.

[PHeffernan]

Whittaker isn’t getting a game because he isn’t good enough.

Kieran Watson that plays right back for Spartans is a superior player. Theres no shame in that at Whittakers age, but put simply, he’s not even someone that should really be on people’s radar at this point in time, he’s not ready for regular first team men’s professional football. It all got a bit daft having him in the team last season.

That about covers it.

[PHeffernan]

Players on loan . I can’t understand why Whittaker is not getting game time …

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/hibs-loan-round-up-how-14-loanees-are-faring-from-championship-to-eredivisie/

I don't understand why you can't understand why a 17 year old boy can't get a game for a semi professional mens football club in place of a 25 year old who when he was about the same age played for Hibs under 17's.

The teams below our league are full of players who were on the books of our top league clubs as young men.
The attrition rates of young players at the likes of Hibs are brutal and young O'Connor looks like the latest who will be playing down the leagues when his Hibscontract ends in 6 months time. He will turn 21 a few weeks after that and will probably be signing for a 3rd tier club and will eventually end up a Championship player which is no shame. Same league as Sam Stanton found his level.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't understand why you can't understand why a 17 year old boy can't get a game for a semi professional mens football club in place of a 25 year old who when he was about the same age played for Hibs under 17's.

The teams below our league are full of players who were on the books of our top league clubs as young men.
The attrition rates of young players at the likes of Hibs are brutal and young O'Connor looks like the latest who will be playing down the leagues when his Hibscontract ends in 6 months time. He will turn 21 a few weeks after that and will probably be signing for a 3rd tier club and will eventually end up a Championship player which is no shame. Same league as Sam Stanton found his level.

Probably because we sent him there to get some game time which was the point of the loan deal in helping him develop … I fail to understand why you think we would send a young player with potential out to a club like that when he’d probably be better off at us or somewhere else where he would be playing regularly !!!

[Centre Hawf]

Probably because we sent him there to get some game time which was the point of the loan deal in helping him develop … I fail to understand why you think we would send a young player with potential out to a club like that when he’d probably be better off at us or somewhere else where he would be playing regularly !!!

I think not playing can sometimes be a benefit too. A bit of a reality check that there'es a fairly long road ahead to even play at that level. As long as he has a good head on his shoulders and can use it as motivation to keep working harder he should get something out of it all.

If he can't react well then I'm afraid he'll never make it, he's not entitled to start for anyone because he played a few games for Hibs when every other option under the sun was injured.

[Hibernian Verse]

Probably because we sent him there to get some game time which was the point of the loan deal in helping him develop … I fail to understand why you think we would send a young player with potential out to a club like that when he’d probably be better off at us or somewhere else where he would be playing regularly !!!

I know you're presenting it as fact, but do you actually know that is why we sent him? Maybe we just wanted him in and around a first team whilst still playing for the 18s, it's a development loan after all. None of us really know.

[Donegal Hibby]

I know you're presenting it as fact, but do you actually know that is why we sent him? Maybe we just wanted him in and around a first team whilst still playing for the 18s, it's a development loan after all. None of us really know.

I might be wrong though I took it , it was to play games which would help in his development…..

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/09/loan--rory-whittaker-joins-spartans-fc/

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-loan-prospect-recall-game-time-rising-star-talent-development-4865213

[The dalmeny]

Do spartans make much use of loan players? I know a Utd boy who went there and was hardly used too.

[1875Sean]

I might be wrong though I took it , it was to play games which would help in his development…..

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/09/loan--rory-whittaker-joins-spartans-fc/

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-loan-prospect-recall-game-time-rising-star-talent-development-4865213

The Spartans manager isn’t just going to play him if the current right back is doing better.

Think he was a bit overhyped because of his age, remember him struggling a few times when he played for us

[Badge]

Probably because we sent him there to get some game time which was the point of the loan deal in helping him develop … I fail to understand why you think we would send a young player with potential out to a club like that when he’d probably be better off at us or somewhere else where he would be playing regularly !!!

If you were the manager of Spartans and your job depended on picking the best player available for any position in the team, what would you do? Pick the best player or pick somebody who was on loan to your club and think maybe I should give him a game. Surely any manager who thinks clearly picks the best players available to him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Do spartans make much use of loan players? I know a Utd boy who went there and was hardly used too.

They took Callum Booth on loan last season and played him regularly. They took Jacques Heraghty on loan from ICT as well and he got plenty game time until his form dipped.

[followhibs]

What a dreadful performance tonight, still wheeling out the bog standard players and expecting a different result.
Why not look inside the building at try something new.
We have 2 players out on loan playing week in week out and have established themselves as professional footballers give them an opportunity to play in positions we require, lets be honest what are we risking ? Obita zero competition and Miller and Cadden enough said.
Bring back Oscar Macintyre and Kanyo Megwa let them fight for a first team place.

[followhibs]

2 of our players made it though to the next stage of the cup yesterday.

Oscar Macintyre (Q OF S) played 90 in a 1-0 win ar Arbroath, sounds like another good performance got Man of the Match.
Mcallister played 90 minutes in a 2-0 win for Cove Rangers.
Megwa injured, Partick lost on Penalties.
Zaid not quoted I presume could be injured no details.
Aitken injured
Johnston on the bench today against Dundee North End
Jacob Macintyre( Kelty ) played 90 in a 3-2 defeat away to Elgin.

[HibbyAndy]

Not a player out on loan but that Marcondes is now at Norwich and on their forum they are saying he is there best player !! Seen a few of there games on tv and everything goes around him ! Saw flashes at Hibs of his talent but looks like he has found his club , Bit like Scott Allan for us

[A Hi-Bee]

Not a player out on loan but that Marcondes is now at Norwich and on their forum they are saying he is there best player !! Seen a few of there games on tv and everything goes around him ! Saw flashes at Hibs of his talent but looks like he has found his club , Bit like Scott Allan for us

You could see he was different class, even when signing autographs, good luck to the guy. We could not afford him. although if we emptied out half a dozen numpties that are never going to play, perhaps we could have.

[JohnM1875]

Not a player out on loan but that Marcondes is now at Norwich and on their forum they are saying he is there best player !! Seen a few of there games on tv and everything goes around him ! Saw flashes at Hibs of his talent but looks like he has found his club , Bit like Scott Allan for us

Was honestly raving about him at work after his first few games. Thought he looked a class above. Then just nothing seemed to work for him and he looked bang average at best. So weird.

Wish him all the best though.

[Smartie]

Was honestly raving about him at work after his first few games. Thought he looked a class above. Then just nothing seemed to work for him and he looked bang average at best. So weird.

Wish him all the best though.

It was like something happened behind the scenes.

He was immense for a few weeks and the team looked much improved… then his form dropped off a cliff and normal service was resumed on the pish results front.

I quite liked him tbh so I’m happy it’s working out for him at Norwich.

[followhibs]

*Our 2 players at Airdrie Murray Johnston and Murray Aitken no game time this week, I understand Aitken is injured.
*Zaid not quoted at all yesterday but is featuring in development games for Hibs so not due to injury maybe not fancied at Annan.
*Megwa injured.
*Another 90 minutes for Mccallister at Cove 2 weeks running so hopefully is getting run after not a great deal of game time this season, needs to get things going as his contract is up in the summer and we paid a good few quid for him under Johnston and could end up with no sell-on or player.
*Jacob Macintyre 72 minutes against Alloa for Kelty came off for a former player Scott Allan.
*Oscar Macintyre another full 90 for Queen of the South I caught the 1st half as it was on Alba but looked very assured and bags of running in terrible conditions.
*Spartans game postponed so no time for Whittaker.
*Tavares 77 minutes in a win over St Mirren.

[hibeejeebies]

*Our 2 players at Airdrie Murray Johnston and Murray Aitken no game time this week, I understand Aitken is injured.
*Zaid not quoted at all yesterday but is featuring in development games for Hibs so not due to injury maybe not fancied at Annan.
*Megwa injured.
*Another 90 minutes for Mccallister at Cove 2 weeks running so hopefully is getting run after not a great deal of game time this season, needs to get things going as his contract is up in the summer and we paid a good few quid for him under Johnston and could end up with no sell-on or player.
*Jacob Macintyre 72 minutes against Alloa for Kelty came off for a former player Scott Allan.
*Oscar Macintyre another full 90 for Queen of the South I caught the 1st half as it was on Alba but looked very assured and bags of running in terrible conditions.
*Spartans game postponed so no time for Whittaker.
*Tavares 77 minutes in a win over St Mirren.

Thanks for these updates FH 👍🏻

[followhibs]

*Murray Aitken injured
*Murray Johnston unused sub
*Megwa injured
*Tavares unused sub
*Whittaker not quoted (potentially canceled loan)
*Zaid not quoted (potentially canceled loan)
*Mcallister played 69 minutes in 0-0 at home to Kelty Hearts
*Jacob Macintyre full 90 away to Cove sounds like the young man had a great game named MOM on Kelty socials.
*Oscar Macintyre full 90 in a home 2-1 win over top of the table Stenhousemuir.

Not a great return for the players we have out admittedly a couple of injuries in there, on a positive the Macintyres seem to established themselves as starters week in week out, looking online Oscar has never been out of the team all season.

[HIBS NUTS]

*Murray Aitken injured
*Murray Johnston unused sub
*Megwa injured
*Tavares unused sub
*Whittaker not quoted (potentially canceled loan)
*Zaid not quoted (potentially canceled loan)
*Mcallister played 69 minutes in 0-0 at home to Kelty Hearts
*Jacob Macintyre full 90 away to Cove sounds like the young man had a great game named MOM on Kelty socials.
*Oscar Macintyre full 90 in a home 2-1 win over top of the table Stenhousemuir.

Not a great return for the players we have out admittedly a couple of injuries in there, on a positive the Macintyres seem to established themselves as starters week in week out, looking online Oscar has never been out of the team all season.
The McIntyres both have a great attitude, that makes a big difference, shame about the injured, thanks for the update.

[followhibs]

The McIntyres both have a great attitude, that makes a big difference, shame about the injured, thanks for the update.


No worries, I said earlier on this thread I got to see Oscar in a Dumfries derby (Queen of the South v Anann) few months ago he looked great, always looking for the ball and very aggressive going forward. As he has played for both teams it was interesting to hear both sets of fans also mention his excellent attitude.

Hibs have spent a small fortune on this development team/academy be great to see 2/3 of these lads actually make it though, I hope they are not all going to be causalities because of the state of our 1st team there is no time or opportunity to develop young players.

[HIBS NUTS]

No worries, I said earlier on this thread I got to see Oscar in a Dumfries derby (Queen of the South v Anann) few months ago he looked great, always looking for the ball and very aggressive going forward. As he has played for both teams it was interesting to hear both sets of fans also mention his excellent attitude.

Hibs have spent a small fortune on this development team/academy be great to see 2/3 of these lads actually make it though, I hope they are not all going to be causalities because of the state of our 1st team there is no time or opportunity to develop young players.
Yeh frustrating that no youths are ever included in the match day squad, because on the state of the first team.
Mckirdy an unused sub again, what is the point .

[PHeffernan]

Yeh frustrating that no youths are ever included in the match day squad, because on the state of the first team.
Mckirdy an unused sub again, what is the point .

Young players are better out on loan playing against men rather than being on the Hibs bench for any length of time.
As for McKirdy, he will be gone in a month, never to return.
Hope Molotnikov and O'Connor go out on loan in January with Johnson and Whittaker loaned to different clubs to the ones they are currently not playing for.

[followhibs]

Young players are better out on loan playing against men rather than being on the Hibs bench for any length of time.
As for McKirdy, he will be gone in a month, never to return.
Hope Molotnikov and O'Connor go out on loan in January with Johnson and Whittaker loaned to different clubs to the ones they are currently not playing for.


Totally agree, young players are better playing than sitting on the bench however the has to be a pathway.
Hopefully this is going to be addressed with the proper introduction of the black knights, without flogging a dead horse the recruitment over years has been appalling to have 15 players out of contract in the summer and 5 managers in 3 seasons is a disgrace and has prevented any type of youth development I hope some of these young homegrown players get an chance in the summer to see if they are ready/good enough, I can't believe likes of Oscar Macintyre & Megwa given a bit of time wouldn't have offered more than some of our current players this season.

[PHeffernan]

Totally agree, young players are better playing than sitting on the bench however the has to be a pathway.
Hopefully this is going to be addressed with the proper introduction of the black knights, without flogging a dead horse the recruitment over years has been appalling to have 15 players out of contract in the summer and 5 managers in 3 seasons is a disgrace and has prevented any type of youth development I hope some of these young homegrown players get an chance in the summer to see if they are ready/good enough, I can't believe likes of Oscar Macintyre, Murray Aitken & Megwa given a bit of time wouldn't have offered more than some of our current players this season.

There is a pathway, loans are the pathway and bridge from under 18 football to Hibs first team. The guys you mention are on it but not ready to play for Hibs yet.
Oscar is playing 3rd tier Scottish football against part time players. There is a big jump up from that to even the 2nd tier where he would be playing against full time players and that should probably be his next step along the path.
Aiken is currently injured and has been for much of the last year. Worried about Murray as I believe his contract ends this summer. He did well at Airdrie last season until his ankle break but that set back has ... set him back. Not seen much of him at Airdrie this season as he rebuilds but fair to say he isn't ready for Hibs yet.

Megwa is the exception, he is ready but Miller and Cadden were ahead of him. However, both are out of contract in the summer and FWIW (not much) I reckon the planned pathway for him will be implemented in the summer with Kanayo joining Hibs first team and Cadden not having his contract renewed as he has a lower potential worth than Miller, is 4 years older and is no doubt on a higher wage. That would leave Miller and Megwa to fight it out for the right back spot at Hibs next season.
A pathway was also planned for Murray Johnson. The fly in that ointment is he currently can't get a game ahead of another loanee for the worst team in the 2nd tier so safe to say he ain't ready for Hibs yet either. They need to find another club for him in January to get him back on track.

[followhibs]

There is a pathway, loans are the pathway and bridge beyond under 18 football to Hibs first team. The guys you mention are on it but not ready to play for Hibs yet.

Of the guys you mention, Oscar is playing 3rd tier Scottish football against part time players. There is a big jump up from that to even the 2nd tier which is playing against full time players and that should probably be his next step along the path.
Aiken is currently injured and has been for much of the last year. Worried about Murray as I believe his contract ends this summer. He did well at Airdrie last season until his ankle break but that set back has ... set him back. Not seen much of him this season as he rebuilds.

Megwa is the exception, he is ready but Miller and Cadden were ahead of him. However, both are out of contract in the summer and FWIW (not much) I reckon Megwa will join Hibs first team and Cadden won't have his contract renewed because he has a lower ceiling than Miller, is 4 years older and is no doubt on a higher wage. That would leave Miller and Megwa to fight it out for the right back spot at Hibs.

I only brought those boys into the equation as an example of players that possibly last summer could have been in a better position to be integrated into our team if the 1st team wasn’t in the dire situation it is in.
I appreciate Aitken has picked up an injury, hopefully Megwa will get his opportunity in January/Summer I’m not convinced the jump is as big for the right player and development ( I understand they all won’t be able to make it)
I think our loss to Kelty suggests the 3rd tier must have some quality.

[PHeffernan]

I only brought those boys into the equation as an example of players that possibly last summer could have been in a better position to be integrated into our team if the 1st team wasn’t in the dire situation it is in.
I appreciate Aitken has picked up an injury, hopefully Megwa will get his opportunity in January/Summer I’m not convinced the jump is as big for the right player and development ( I understand they all won’t be able to make it)
I think our loss to Kelty suggests the 3rd tier must have some quality.

Some supporters are always in search of a magic solution to put everything right now so are easily taken in. First it was the Black Knights 6 million quid that was going to transform everything and now they have them taking over the football side despite nothing being said to that effect by the club. The reality is a year ago Mr 25% and BK gave us a player just back from a serious injury and a young player who has now joined Hibs pile of squad midfielders. So BK are currently sitting at 2 player fails out of 2. For me Hibs real improvement will come from the present structure next summer when they can complete the squad reset*.

I reckon the first team will be back up to scratch next season and the young players that are good enough will start to come through.
This season would probably have been okay if our big signing from the summer, Bowie had remained fit and critically had we managed to keep 11 players on the pitch for the duration of matches as we have for the last 4.
We are now a little over 5 months away from the completion of the much needed change of recruitment direction which began a year ago. January will continue the McKay work of the summer which will see another batch of the players who are not wanted and out of contract at the end of May, move on. Probably Kenneh, McKirdy and Amos for starters. The end of May sees the natural end of the cycle of the team of the last few years hence so many players OOC.

*Dependent on us signing better quality player replacements in the summer. Hence I presume the arrival of Garvan Stewart to work with McKay to get the recruitment right at what is a critical moment. I'm confident they will get it right.

P.S. He's still not called Aitken. His name is Aiken as in Mabozzar :wink:.

[HIBS NUTS]

Young players are better out on loan playing against men rather than being on the Hibs bench for any length of time.
As for McKirdy, he will be gone in a month, never to return.
Hope Molotnikov and O'Connor go out on loan in January with Johnson and Whittaker loaned to different clubs to the ones they are currently not playing for.
I don’t think Josh o’Conner is in hibs plans .

[PHeffernan]

I don’t think Josh o’Conner is in hibs plans .

I don't think he is either. An unfortunate choice of loan in Dundalk, who almost went tits up. Now less than 6 months left on his Hibs contract. He's 21 a couple of weeks after his Hibs contract expires. A lot of pressure on a young guy to sort out a future for himself.
He needs a good loan in January and needs to be physically ready to give it everything he's got with a view to getting an offer, probably from a 3rd tier club, for next season. Always a chance he can quickly work himself back to the Championship and full time football.

The Scottish leagues below the Premier are absolutely littered with young players who didn't make it at bigger clubs like Hibs. Probably easier to make it as a brain surgeon. However, I was watching Fraser Murray playing well for Kilmarnock today thus proving there is life after Hibs. Probably the only ex Hibs youngster currently in the top flight unless you count the guys that were moved on from Hibs as kids

[HIBS NUTS]

I don't think he is either. An unfortunate choice of loan in Dundalk, who almost went tits up. Now less than 6 months left on his Hibs contract. He's 21 a couple of weeks after his Hibs contract expires. A lot of pressure on a young guy to sort out a future for himself.
He needs a good loan in January and needs to be physically ready to give it everything he's got with a view to getting an offer, probably from a 3rd tier club, for next season. Always a chance he can quickly work himself back to the Championship and full time football.

The Scottish leagues below the Premier are absolutely littered with young players who didn't make it at bigger clubs like Hibs. Probably easier to make it as a brain surgeon. However, I was watching Fraser Murray playing well for Kilmarnock today thus proving there is life after Hibs. Probably the only ex Hibs youngster currently in the top flight unless you count the guys that were moved on from Hibs as kids
I work with young people, in East Lothian, and they tend to know what’s going on, in Edinburgh and East Lothian, at weekends, some good, some not so good.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Vente seems to have gone off the boil again. After a promising start (much as he did with us) he's now not scored since September and Zwolle tumbling down the table.

[Brooster]

Jacob McIntyre was man of the match at the weekend. He's doing well.

[The dalmeny]

I think our loss to Kelty suggests the 3rd tier must have some quality.

im suspect many PT players could be full time in the champ but the wages aren’t good enough in comparison to having a full time real job and getting something for football on the side.

I also saw something that said Kelty had the most game time for u21 in all the leagues (about a third) there a probably a few loan boys included in that.

[followhibs]

im suspect many PT players could be full time in the champ but the wages aren’t good enough in comparison to having a full time real job and getting something for football on the side.

I also saw something that said Kelty had the most game time for u21 in all the leagues (about a third) there a probably a few loan boys included in that.

100% agree with you, good number of quality players in that position who clearly are looking at the security of a "real" job and playing professional football at a lower level. Although not a big number I've seen 2 league one games live and a couple on Alba and there was definitely a good standard there and physically tough so if any of our young players are doing well and playing every week then its a positive.

Jacob Macintyre (18) on loan from Hibs at Kelty after a ankle break got MOM at the weekend.

[PHeffernan]

Jacob McIntyre was man of the match at the weekend. He's doing well.

I've been really impressed by Jacob the few times i've seen him play and looks like he has a real chance of making it.
Still only 18 and another who has had to contend with injury. Hopefully that is him pushing on again.

[PHeffernan]

I work with young people, in East Lothian, and they tend to know what’s going on, in Edinburgh and East Lothian, at weekends, some good, some not so good.


:confused:

[Paulie Walnuts]

im suspect many PT players could be full time in the champ but the wages aren’t good enough in comparison to having a full time real job and getting something for football on the side.

I also saw something that said Kelty had the most game time for u21 in all the leagues (about a third) there a probably a few loan boys included in that.

This is definitely the case. One of my mates has played in the lower leagues for the last 10-15 years and he has turned down a few approaches from full time sides to focus on his career as a teacher whilst still playing for bottom end Championship/League One clubs. Says the money he got doing both and the fact his career will be in a great place by the time he finishes football made it a no brainer.

[eastmainsmsh]

I don't think he is either. An unfortunate choice of loan in Dundalk, who almost went tits up. Now less than 6 months left on his Hibs contract. He's 21 a couple of weeks after his Hibs contract expires. A lot of pressure on a young guy to sort out a future for himself.
He needs a good loan in January and needs to be physically ready to give it everything he's got with a view to getting an offer, probably from a 3rd tier club, for next season. Always a chance he can quickly work himself back to the Championship and full time football.

The Scottish leagues below the Premier are absolutely littered with young players who didn't make it at bigger clubs like Hibs. Probably easier to make it as a brain surgeon. However, I was watching Fraser Murray playing well for Kilmarnock today thus proving there is life after Hibs. Probably the only ex Hibs youngster currently in the top flight unless you count the guys that were moved on from Hibs as kids

I like young JOC he is lively and quick and hope he can get going again whether that's with Hibs or another club

[eastmainsmsh]

I'm not sure about Academies and Schooling with SFA what happens if the lads don't make it pure disappointment id like to see them play regional or old school like Salvasen Tynie Hutchy back in day

[PHeffernan]

I like young JOC he is lively and quick and hope he can get going again whether that's with Hibs or another club

He's had a tough year. Dropping out the main picture at Airdrie in the 2nd half of last season and then being at a club in financial turmoil this season.
On the upside he's not been injured and doesn't have any chronic injuries.
He needs to be ready physically and mentally to go on loan again in January wherever in Scotland that night be. He needs push hard because in less than 6 months he along with hundreds of other players in Scotland will be out of contract and there won't be space for all of them in the pyramid.

[followhibs]

I'm not sure about Academies and Schooling with SFA what happens if the lads don't make it pure disappointment id like to see them play regional or old school like Salvasen Tynie Hutchy back in day

I read an article online a few months back it showed the success rate of Scottish clubs playing academy/development players it was awful reading, to memory only Celtic and Rangers were worst than Hibs for minutes played for players under 20.
I know a bit old school too, I would like to see the reserve league back, you get the benefit of youth players, senior players trying to get back in the starting 11 or returning from injury. There is a system in Spain where there has to be a mix i.e 3/4 players have to be under 19, it fair as all clubs have to comply, the focus is on development rather than winning development leagues.
A Reserve league would also provide a place for players such as O'connor etc to play regular football if the loan deals don't work out.
Hopefully is would avoid us shelling out fortunes on punts like Mckirdy, Amos, Taveres etc

[eastmainsmsh]

I read an article online a few months back it showed the success rate of Scottish clubs playing academy/development players it was awful reading, to memory only Celtic and Rangers were worst than Hibs for minutes played for players under 20.
I know a bit old school too, I would like to see the reserve league back, you get the benefit of youth players, senior players trying to get back in the starting 11 or returning from injury. There is a system in Spain where there has to be a mix i.e 3/4 players have to be under 19, it fair as all clubs have to comply, the focus is on development rather than winning development leagues.
A Reserve league would also provide a place for players such as O'connor etc to play regular football if the loan deals don't work out.
Hopefully is would avoid us shelling out fortunes on punts like Mckirdy, Amos, Taveres etc

It would be great 👍

[PHeffernan]

I read an article online a few months back it showed the success rate of Scottish clubs playing academy/development players it was awful reading, to memory only Celtic and Rangers were worst than Hibs for minutes played for players under 20.
I know a bit old school too, I would like to see the reserve league back, you get the benefit of youth players, senior players trying to get back in the starting 11 or returning from injury. There is a system in Spain where there has to be a mix i.e 3/4 players have to be under 19, it fair as all clubs have to comply, the focus is on development rather than winning development leagues.
A Reserve league would also provide a place for players such as O'connor etc to play regular football if the loan deals don't work out.
Hopefully is would avoid us shelling out fortunes on punts like Mckirdy, Amos, Taveres etc

What your article doesn't appear to have told you is that rich English clubs simply sign up the very best of young football talent from every Scottish club including Celgers and that our clubs are completely powerless to stop them.
Me and everyone else knew Ben Doak was going to be a star before he was 16 and allowed to sign a professional contract. A few months after his 16th birthday Liverpool took the kid and chucked Celtic a couple of quid. The same scenario happened with Rangers with Rory Wilson. A top talent who Aston Villa took away at 16 after chucking Rangers a few quid. Incidentally, 2 years later Aston Villa are battling to hold onto the same kid despite offering him a long 5 figure a week contract.
These are not ordinary players. These are young guys that would have been lighting up the Scottish game.
Lennon Miller appears to be the only top young Scottish talent of recent times that the blood suckers have missed on the cheap.

If you pay attention you will have seen English teams over the last few years taking the best young Scottish players away from our clubs in many cases before we have even seen them. Young talented 17 and 18 year olds like Kerr Smith signed by Aston Villa from Dundee Utd, Charlie MacArthur signed by Newcastle from Kilmarnock, Dylan Reid signed by Crystal Palace from St Mirren, Ryan One signed by Sheffield Utd from Hamilton and that's just the ones you might have heard off. I could name another 20 young talents that were stolen away in the last 3 years that you are unlikely to have heard off because they were yet to play mens football.
Some won't make it but others will make their English masters a lot of money even if they are just sold on for a few million to an English Championship team if they can't quite cut it in the big time.

Hibs have only really lost Ethan Laidlaw who was taken by Brentford 18 months ago. Tempted by the glamour and glitz of the EPL and a few quid, off went the talented 17 year old on a 2 year deal with Brentford having an option of another year. The Brentford B team players contract ends in a little over 6 months and we will see if they exercise their option. Ethan isn't the same standard as the kids at the top of my post but I think he would have been playing in Hibs 1st team this season had he stayed. Maybe he will end up in the 2nd or 3rd tier in England or come back to Scotland and become the new Jordan White.

In conclusion spare a thought for our clubs. English clubs pursuit of young Scottish players intensified greatly after Brexit made it difficult for them to access young players from Europe. Our clubs are producing good young players but the best ones are being taken from them before we even see them make a mark. Those that the English investment hubs leave behind are the less talented and they naturally struggle to get a regular game for Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen before the age of 22 or 23.

[JimBHibees]

What your article doesn't appear to have told you is that rich English clubs simply sign up the very best of young football talent from every Scottish club including Celgers and that our clubs are completely powerless to stop them.
Me and everyone else knew Ben Doak was going to be a star before he was 16 and allowed to sign a professional contract. A few months after his 16th birthday Liverpool took the kid and chucked Celtic a couple of quid. The same scenario happened with Rangers with Rory Wilson. A top talent who Aston Villa took away at 16 after chucking Rangers a few quid. Incidentally, 2 years later Aston Villa are battling to hold onto the same kid despite offering him a long 5 figure a week contract.
These are not ordinary players. These are young guys that would have been lighting up the Scottish game.
Lennon Miller appears to be the only top young Scottish talent of recent times that the blood suckers have missed on the cheap.

If you pay attention you will have seen English teams over the last few years taking the best young Scottish players away from our clubs in many cases before we have even seen them. Young talented 17 and 18 year olds like Kerr Smith signed by Aston Villa from Dundee Utd, Charlie MacArthur signed by Newcastle from Kilmarnock, Dylan Reid signed by Crystal Palace from St Mirren, Ryan One signed by Sheffield Utd from Hamilton and that's just the ones you might have heard off. I could name another 20 young talents that were stolen away in the last 3 years that you are unlikely to have heard off because they were yet to play mens football.
Some won't make it but others will make their English masters a lot of money even if they are just sold on for a few million to an English Championship team if they can't quite cut it in the big time.

Hibs have only really lost Ethan Laidlaw who was taken by Brentford 18 months ago. Tempted by the glamour and glitz of the EPL and a few quid, off went the talented 17 year old on a 2 year deal with Brentford having an option of another year. The Brentford B team players contract ends in a little over 6 months and we will see if they exercise their option. Ethan isn't the same standard as the kids at the top of my post but I think he would have been playing in Hibs 1st team this season had he stayed. Maybe he will end up in the 2nd or 3rd tier in England or come back to Scotland and become the new Jordan White.

In conclusion spare a thought for our clubs. English clubs pursuit of young Scottish players intensified greatly after Brexit made it difficult for them to access young players from Europe. Our clubs are producing good young players but the best ones are being taken from them before we even see them make a mark. Those that the English investment hubs leave behind are the less talented and they naturally struggle to get a regular game for Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen before the age of 22 or 23.

Thanks for that post an interesting and informative one. Certainly provides some important context to the young players discussion

[JimBHibees]

Jacob McIntyre was man of the match at the weekend. He's doing well.

Good to hear

[J-C]

Young Molontikov needs to go on loan, never quoted now after a few early season games, needs ganes to improve.

[Craig_HFC]

Young Molontikov needs to go on loan, never quoted now after a few early season games, needs ganes to improve.

Pretty sure he's injured

[Lago]

What your article doesn't appear to have told you is that rich English clubs simply sign up the very best of young football talent from every Scottish club including Celgers and that our clubs are completely powerless to stop them.
Me and everyone else knew Ben Doak was going to be a star before he was 16 and allowed to sign a professional contract. A few months after his 16th birthday Liverpool took the kid and chucked Celtic a couple of quid. The same scenario happened with Rangers with Rory Wilson. A top talent who Aston Villa took away at 16 after chucking Rangers a few quid. Incidentally, 2 years later Aston Villa are battling to hold onto the same kid despite offering him a long 5 figure a week contract.
These are not ordinary players. These are young guys that would have been lighting up the Scottish game.
Lennon Miller appears to be the only top young Scottish talent of recent times that the blood suckers have missed on the cheap.

If you pay attention you will have seen English teams over the last few years taking the best young Scottish players away from our clubs in many cases before we have even seen them. Young talented 17 and 18 year olds like Kerr Smith signed by Aston Villa from Dundee Utd, Charlie MacArthur signed by Newcastle from Kilmarnock, Dylan Reid signed by Crystal Palace from St Mirren, Ryan One signed by Sheffield Utd from Hamilton and that's just the ones you might have heard off. I could name another 20 young talents that were stolen away in the last 3 years that you are unlikely to have heard off because they were yet to play mens football.
Some won't make it but others will make their English masters a lot of money even if they are just sold on for a few million to an English Championship team if they can't quite cut it in the big time.

Hibs have only really lost Ethan Laidlaw who was taken by Brentford 18 months ago. Tempted by the glamour and glitz of the EPL and a few quid, off went the talented 17 year old on a 2 year deal with Brentford having an option of another year. The Brentford B team players contract ends in a little over 6 months and we will see if they exercise their option. Ethan isn't the same standard as the kids at the top of my post but I think he would have been playing in Hibs 1st team this season had he stayed. Maybe he will end up in the 2nd or 3rd tier in England or come back to Scotland and become the new Jordan White.

In conclusion spare a thought for our clubs. English clubs pursuit of young Scottish players intensified greatly after Brexit made it difficult for them to access young players from Europe. Our clubs are producing good young players but the best ones are being taken from them before we even see them make a mark. Those that the English investment hubs leave behind are the less talented and they naturally struggle to get a regular game for Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen before the age of 22 or 23.
An informative post and if I may say so paints a depressing situation for Scottish clubs, so how do we address the situation with a view to giving Scottish clubs a better chance of retaining talent?

[Hibernian Verse]

An informative post and if I may say so paints a depressing situation for Scottish clubs, so how do we address the situation with a view to giving Scottish clubs a better chance of retaining talent?

Not necessarily retaining talent but a minimum quota of young Scottish players that must be in the starting XI is a good starting point for increasing the standard.

[Brightside]

Young Molontikov needs to go on loan, never quoted now after a few early season games, needs ganes to improve.

As Craig said below - been carrying a minor injury. But I do agree he probably could do with the going somewhere in Jan and getting some game time. There will be even less chance at Hibs in the 2nd half of the season.

[superfurryhibby]

Hibs have only really lost Ethan Laidlaw who was taken by Brentford 18 months ago. Tempted by the glamour and glitz of the EPL and a few quid, off went the talented 17 year old on a 2 year deal with Brentford having an option of another year. The Brentford B team players contract ends in a little over 6 months and we will see if they exercise their option. Ethan isn't the same standard as the kids at the top of my post but I think he would have been playing in Hibs 1st team this season had he stayed. Maybe he will end up in the 2nd or 3rd tier in England or come back to Scotland and become the new Jordan White.
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Ethan Laidlaw made a big career error in leaving Hibs when he did. He may well have been a regular at Hibs by now, he would certainly have had the chance to have found out. There's no info him for the current season that I can find but it would seem his progress has ground to a halt.

He's 20 in January and should have had stayed at Hibs.

[The Modfather]

An informative post and if I may say so paints a depressing situation for Scottish clubs, so how do we address the situation with a view to giving Scottish clubs a better chance of retaining talent?

Fast track their development and get them involved in the first team long before 18 or 19. I believe that’s what we did with Porteous, Celtc we’re keen to sign him but we promised to fast track his transition into the first team.

We will always be up against it, but what reason is there for someone like Laidlaw, as an example, to stay at Hibs and watch his development stall as we churn through players and managers instead of taking a chance on trying to make it higher up the food chain? A chance that might never come come around again.

[The Modfather]

Ethan Laidlaw made a big career error in leaving Hibs when he did. He may well have been a regular at Hibs by now, he would certainly have had the chance to have found out. There's no info him for the current season that I can find but it would seem his progress has ground to a halt.

He's 20 in January and should have had stayed at Hibs.

Laidlaw had just wasted 12 or 18 months of his development at Hibs when he left. Brentford might or might not have been a good move, but at the time I struggled to see much of a case for staying at Hibs being best for his development and career.

[superfurryhibby]

Laidlaw had just wasted 12 or 18 months of his development at Hibs when he left. Brentford might or might not have been a good move, but at the time I struggled to see much of a case for staying at Hibs being best for his development and career.

Beg to differ. He wasn't fit or strong enough to play first team football in the year-18 months before he left, most 16-17 year olds aren't. He would have been given a chance by Montgomery last season though.

Given that he's done nothing at Brentford since , you can't seriously argue that it was a good move.

[HIBS NUTS]

What your article doesn't appear to have told you is that rich English clubs simply sign up the very best of young football talent from every Scottish club including Celgers and that our clubs are completely powerless to stop them.
Me and everyone else knew Ben Doak was going to be a star before he was 16 and allowed to sign a professional contract. A few months after his 16th birthday Liverpool took the kid and chucked Celtic a couple of quid. The same scenario happened with Rangers with Rory Wilson. A top talent who Aston Villa took away at 16 after chucking Rangers a few quid. Incidentally, 2 years later Aston Villa are battling to hold onto the same kid despite offering him a long 5 figure a week contract.
These are not ordinary players. These are young guys that would have been lighting up the Scottish game.
Lennon Miller appears to be the only top young Scottish talent of recent times that the blood suckers have missed on the cheap.

If you pay attention you will have seen English teams over the last few years taking the best young Scottish players away from our clubs in many cases before we have even seen them. Young talented 17 and 18 year olds like Kerr Smith signed by Aston Villa from Dundee Utd, Charlie MacArthur signed by Newcastle from Kilmarnock, Dylan Reid signed by Crystal Palace from St Mirren, Ryan One signed by Sheffield Utd from Hamilton and that's just the ones you might have heard off. I could name another 20 young talents that were stolen away in the last 3 years that you are unlikely to have heard off because they were yet to play mens football.
Some won't make it but others will make their English masters a lot of money even if they are just sold on for a few million to an English Championship team if they can't quite cut it in the big time.

Hibs have only really lost Ethan Laidlaw who was taken by Brentford 18 months ago. Tempted by the glamour and glitz of the EPL and a few quid, off went the talented 17 year old on a 2 year deal with Brentford having an option of another year. The Brentford B team players contract ends in a little over 6 months and we will see if they exercise their option. Ethan isn't the same standard as the kids at the top of my post but I think he would have been playing in Hibs 1st team this season had he stayed. Maybe he will end up in the 2nd or 3rd tier in England or come back to Scotland and become the new Jordan White.

In conclusion spare a thought for our clubs. English clubs pursuit of young Scottish players intensified greatly after Brexit made it difficult for them to access young players from Europe. Our clubs are producing good young players but the best ones are being taken from them before we even see them make a mark. Those that the English investment hubs leave behind are the less talented and they naturally struggle to get a regular game for Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen before the age of 22 or 23.
Great post.
Ethan laidlaw was given a contract, that hibs couldn't match.
I still think that current youth players, could be given a squad place, ahead of current players that have no chance, of featuring, (McKirdy) it just gives them all some encouragement.

[Lago]

Not necessarily retaining talent but a minimum quota of young Scottish players that must be in the starting XI is a good starting point for increasing the standard.
Excellent point.

[J-C]

Pretty sure he's injured

:aok:

[Jock O]

Laidlaw had just wasted 12 or 18 months of his development at Hibs when he left. Brentford might or might not have been a good move, but at the time I struggled to see much of a case for staying at Hibs being best for his development and career.

What do you mean by wasted development? What was he getting at Brentford he wasn't getting at Hibs, that Hibs could have realistically given him?

[Jock O]

What your article doesn't appear to have told you is that rich English clubs simply sign up the very best of young football talent from every Scottish club including Celgers and that our clubs are completely powerless to stop them.
Me and everyone else knew Ben Doak was going to be a star before he was 16 and allowed to sign a professional contract. A few months after his 16th birthday Liverpool took the kid and chucked Celtic a couple of quid. The same scenario happened with Rangers with Rory Wilson. A top talent who Aston Villa took away at 16 after chucking Rangers a few quid. Incidentally, 2 years later Aston Villa are battling to hold onto the same kid despite offering him a long 5 figure a week contract.
These are not ordinary players. These are young guys that would have been lighting up the Scottish game.
Lennon Miller appears to be the only top young Scottish talent of recent times that the blood suckers have missed on the cheap.

If you pay attention you will have seen English teams over the last few years taking the best young Scottish players away from our clubs in many cases before we have even seen them. Young talented 17 and 18 year olds like Kerr Smith signed by Aston Villa from Dundee Utd, Charlie MacArthur signed by Newcastle from Kilmarnock, Dylan Reid signed by Crystal Palace from St Mirren, Ryan One signed by Sheffield Utd from Hamilton and that's just the ones you might have heard off. I could name another 20 young talents that were stolen away in the last 3 years that you are unlikely to have heard off because they were yet to play mens football.
Some won't make it but others will make their English masters a lot of money even if they are just sold on for a few million to an English Championship team if they can't quite cut it in the big time.

Hibs have only really lost Ethan Laidlaw who was taken by Brentford 18 months ago. Tempted by the glamour and glitz of the EPL and a few quid, off went the talented 17 year old on a 2 year deal with Brentford having an option of another year. The Brentford B team players contract ends in a little over 6 months and we will see if they exercise their option. Ethan isn't the same standard as the kids at the top of my post but I think he would have been playing in Hibs 1st team this season had he stayed. Maybe he will end up in the 2nd or 3rd tier in England or come back to Scotland and become the new Jordan White.

In conclusion spare a thought for our clubs. English clubs pursuit of young Scottish players intensified greatly after Brexit made it difficult for them to access young players from Europe. Our clubs are producing good young players but the best ones are being taken from them before we even see them make a mark. Those that the English investment hubs leave behind are the less talented and they naturally struggle to get a regular game for Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen before the age of 22 or 23.

This is really great analysis and such an important point at the moment, it seems to be happening more EPL teams paying what are relatively large sums of money to Scottish teams for youth talent, for what are at best development players down South and often just young raw potential players with a view to probably selling most of them on for some sort of profit, with the very odd one occasionly breaking through from the development team. Even the most prominent playing down there, Robertson,, Tierney, didn't break through till older.

This is going to get bigger as fees continue to increase down South, and as most teams operate this business model. It means as you say anyone under 18 up here looking like making it could be snapped up before appearing here. Ironically it was the overall business model that Ron Gordon had in mind for here in my opinion, but I suspect he underestimated the cost to start from scratch with a decent return and seriously overestimated the competence of his recruitment team. It definitely highlights for me how important recruitment will be for Scottish teams to get any level of advantage in our league in coming years.

[The Modfather]

What do you mean by wasted development? What was he getting at Brentford he wasn't getting at Hibs, that Hibs could have realistically given him?

There was a season wasted, Johnson’s full season, where the likes of Laidlaw and Johnson were stuck in the U19s with not a whole lot of youth games in the league, 4 or 5 European games and, particularly in Laidlaws case a season stuck at a level he had outgrown. That season Bojang got more minutes than Laidlaw, even Devlin, the perma injured CB, got more minutes upfront than Laidlaw.

I don’t know how he is getting on at Brentford. Presumably not well. However I don’t see what the positive case was that staying at Hibs was best for his overall development. Speaking objectively, and I said it at the time, I’d have probably recommended him moving on, but going to another Scottish club that would play him.

[HIBS NUTS]

Top of the table clash tonight
kelty versus Arbroath
HT 1-1
Hibs Jacob McIntyre scores with a right foot shot.��

[tamig]

Fast track their development and get them involved in the first team long before 18 or 19. I believe that’s what we did with Porteous, Celtc we’re keen to sign him but we promised to fast track his transition into the first team.

We will always be up against it, but what reason is there for someone like Laidlaw, as an example, to stay at Hibs and watch his development stall as we churn through players and managers instead of taking a chance on trying to make it higher up the food chain? A chance that might never come come around again.

Porteous had the raw talent and physique to do that. A lot of our youth players don’t unfortunately.

[HIBS NUTS]

Top of the table clash tonight
kelty versus Arbroath
HT 1-1
Hibs Jacob McIntyre scores with a right foot shot.��
Kelty 3 Arbroath 2
Hibs Jacob McIntyre scores 2
right foot shot, and long range shot into the top corner.
Unlucky not to get a hat trick.
Another MOTM performance.

[Brooster]

Been banging on about Jacob for a few seasons now. Get him in the first team squad, will bring more to the party than some of the current incumbents.

[tamig]

Been banging on about Jacob for a few seasons now. Get him in the first team squad, will bring more to the party than some of the current incumbents.

I thought his brother was meant to be the more highly rated of the two. Have the roles reversed now?

[HIBS NUTS]

I thought his brother was meant to be the more highly rated of the two. Have the roles reversed now?
Oscar has played every game for queen of the south, and is getting rave reviews at left back, Jacob is an attacking midfielder, both have fantastic attitudes and talent , but both are very different type of players .

[followhibs]

Oscar has played every game for queen of the south, and is getting rave reviews at left back, Jacob is an attacking midfielder, both have fantastic attitudes and talent , but both are very different type of players .

Totally agree, Ive seen Oscar this season very aggressive attacking left wing back with a great first touch. Delighted to hear that Jacob is getting back on track after being unlucky with injuries over the last 6 months. 2 MOM performances and 2 goals in the last 2 matches sounds he's smashing it.

[Brooster]

Oscar has played every game for queen of the south, and is getting rave reviews at left back, Jacob is an attacking midfielder, both have fantastic attitudes and talent , but both are very different type of players .

Agreed mate. Oscar is also turning in man of the match performances for QoS. Both brothers are really developing nicely.

[JimBHibees]

Been banging on about Jacob for a few seasons now. Get him in the first team squad, will bring more to the party than some of the current incumbents.

Been a bit unlucky with injuries get the impression if he wasn’t injured at start of the season he would be in the first team squad

[followhibs]

Oscar has played every game for queen of the south, and is getting rave reviews at left back, Jacob is an attacking midfielder, both have fantastic attitudes and talent , but both are very different type of players .

Having seen both, Oscar is a tough tackling attacking left sided player and Jacobs is powerful attacking right sided midfielder/winger, very different.
Delighted that both are doing so well and we might get a bigger return than expected from the Academy.

[followhibs]

Easy update this week.

Oscar Macintyre played full 90 again today.
Jacob Macintyre played full 90 and picked up an assist, not a bad week for him, 3 games, 2 MOM, 2 goals and 1 assist.
Rory Whittaker played last 10 for Spartans.
None of our other loan players played today.

[PHeffernan]

Easy update this week.

Oscar Macintyre played full 90 again today.
Jacob Macintyre played full 90 and picked up an assist, not a bad week for him, 3 games, 2 MOM, 2 goals and 1 assist.
Rory Whittaker played last 10 for Spartans.
None of our other loan players played today.

Cheers for that

An update on the other Hibs players out on loan:
Significantly Kanayo Megwa was back from injury for Partick Thistle today. Didn't get any minutes off the bench but good that he is back fit
Reuben McAllister was on the bench for Cove Rangers but didn't get on
Murray Johnson was again on the bench for Airdrie and Murray Aiken remains injured

Dylan Vente scored for PEC Zwolle last night in the Dutch top tier
Jair Tavares was an unused sub against Kilmarnock

Coleraine not playing this week but Kyle McClelland starts every week
Racing FC Union Luxembourg not playing this week, possibly on a break but Allan Delferrier starts most weeks

Malik Zaid appears to have returned to base from Annan Athletic towards the end of last month. Was supposed to be there for the season and was getting decent game time.

[Bridge hibs]

Cheers for that

An update on the other Hibs players out on loan:
Significantly Kanayo Megwa was back from injury for Partick Thistle today. Didn't get any minutes off the bench but good that he is back fit
Reuben McAllister was on the bench for Cove Rangers but didn't get on
Murray Johnson was again on the bench for Airdrie and Murray Aiken remains injured

Dylan Vente scored for PEC Zwolle last night in the Dutch top tier
Eye out for Jair Tavares tomorrow to see if he gets on against Celtic for Motherwell

Coleraine not playing this week but Kyle McClelland starts every week
Racing FC Union Luxembourg not playing this week, possibly on a break but Allan Delferrier starts most weeks

Malik Zaid appears to have returned to base from Annan Athletic towards the end of last month. Was supposed to be there for the season and was getting decent game time.Motherwell played Killie on Friday and Tavares was an unused sub, Dundee Utd play celtc tomorrow 👍

[followhibs]

Cheers for that

An update on the other Hibs players out on loan:
Significantly Kanayo Megwa was back from injury for Partick Thistle today. Didn't get any minutes off the bench but good that he is back fit
Reuben McAllister was on the bench for Cove Rangers but didn't get on
Murray Johnson was again on the bench for Airdrie and Murray Aiken remains injured

Dylan Vente scored for PEC Zwolle last night in the Dutch top tier
Eye out for Jair Tavares tomorrow to see if he gets on against Celtic for Motherwell

Coleraine not playing this week but Kyle McClelland starts every week
Racing FC Union Luxembourg not playing this week, possibly on a break but Allan Delferrier starts most weeks

Malik Zaid appears to have returned to base from Annan Athletic towards the end of last month. Was supposed to be there for the season and was getting decent game
time.

Thanks for the detail, I looked online at the information for the loan players that were just quoted playing minutes on Saturday. Hopefully Megwa get his shirt back soon. Murray Johnston needs a new loan Airdrie have been struggling and shipping goals yet they seem to not be rotating the keeper, never seen any of the games recently so the keeper may be doing ok.

[eastmainsmsh]

Malik Zaid is decent player would like to see him go to Airdrie

[PHeffernan]

Motherwell played Killie on Friday and Tavares was an unused sub, Dundee Utd play celtc tomorrow ��

:aok: Yeah, I was slavering!

[tbfhibs2]

Easy update this week.

Oscar Macintyre played full 90 again today.
Jacob Macintyre played full 90 and picked up an assist, not a bad week for him, 3 games, 2 MOM, 2 goals and 1 assist.
Rory Whittaker played last 10 for Spartans.
None of our other loan players played today.
Freddie Owens kept a clean sheet in a 3-0 win for Civil service yesterday.

[PHeffernan]

Thanks for the detail, I looked online at the information for the loan players that were just quoted playing minutes on Saturday. Hopefully Megwa get his shirt back soon. Murray Johnston needs a new loan Airdrie have been struggling and shipping goals yet they seem to not be rotating the keeper, never seen any of the games recently so the keeper may be doing ok.

Strangely the guy playing ahead of Johnson for Airdrie is a loan player as well.
Murray was signed up by Airdrie in June and the other loan keeper signed for them in July.
Johnson was given the No1 jersey and the other guy 15. Murray was obviously sent there to play but soon lost his place in the team and hasn't been able to get it back.

Looked the other guy up and he is Kieran Wright, a 25 going on 26 year old goalkeeper who is on loan from Rangers.
He played for Scotland under 21's a few years ago but has never played for Rangers.
Airdrie is his 9th loan since 2016 and coincidentally, 6 months ago, I saw him came on as a sub for Livingston against Hibs.
Like Murray he also played for Scotland at Under 19 level and they both played for Scotland for the age group below that.
So Airdrie are playing the 25 year old version of 20 year old Murray.

Very few goalkeepers appear to be given the first team gig for a Scottish top tier club that are under the age of 25. Of course there are younger high profile examples in the rest of the world but they are the exception rather than the rule.
The current St Johnstone keeper Josh Rae was the Airdrie keeper last season and at 24 he is the youngest keeper in our top tier at the moment and 27 year old Dimitar Mitov is the youngest keeper at one of the bigger clubs like Hibs so Murray might have to be patient. Hopefully Hibs can find him a new loan gig at the start of January.

P.S. youngest keeper playing in the Scottish Championship at the weekend was 21 years old Dunfermline keeper Tobi Oluwayemi who is on loan from Celtic.

[PHeffernan]

Malik Zaid is decent player would like to see him go to Airdrie

Is he good enough to play in the Championship?
Why has he returned early from his season long loan at Annan Athletic?

[The dalmeny]

Malik Zaid is decent player would like to see him go to Airdrie

I saw Malik a couple of times at Edinburgh City last season, a sharp wee players with bags of energy and quite tough too. I think the big issue is he’s awfy slight. To be honest though would have thought he could do a job at Annan.

[eastmainsmsh]

Airdrie fan I know says they are struggling even signed Daryl Duffy could do worse than send Zaid JOC and a few get them experience at Championship level good league and club

[PHeffernan]

Todays games - The news on our 7 young players out on loan in the Scottish lower leagues:

Best news was Murray Aiken has recovered from injury, after a while out, and came on for Airdrie after 57 mins.
Rory Whittaker started for Spartans and played the whole game.

Only other starter today was Jacob MacIntyre for Kelty. He was replaced after 63 minutes

Megwa and Johnson again on the bench for Partick and Airdrie respectively.
Megwa returned from injury last week and hasn't automatically dislodged the jersey holder in a winning team but came on after 53 mins.

Reuben McAllister was on the bench for Cove but didn't get on and
Oscar MacIntyre who has been a regular starter this season found himself on the bench for QOS today but came on after 59 minutes

[Green Man]

I was at the Thistle game today. Megwa played well, solid defensively and looked positive going forward.

[PHeffernan]

I was at the Thistle game today. Megwa played well, solid defensively and looked positive going forward.

Nice one.
Kanayo is 21 at the start of March and appears ready when Hibs are. Can see him as our back up right back next season.
He is currently behind 28 years old Chris Cadden and 24 years old Lewis Miller who are both out of contract at the end of May but ahead of 17 year old Rory Whittaker.

I reckon Hibs will take up their year option on Millers contract and might even seek to extend it with Cadden being allowed to move on.
That leaves right back 4, Whittaker, who if he continues to play and progress in the 2nd half of this season is likely to move up to a 1st Division club on loan next season.
All IMHO :wink:.

[followhibs]

Todays games - The news on our 7 young players out on loan in the Scottish lower leagues:

Best news was Murray Aiken has recovered from injury, after a while out, and came on for Airdrie after 57 mins.
Rory Whittaker started for Spartans and played the whole game.

Only other starter today was Jacob MacIntyre for Kelty. He was replaced after 63 minutes

Megwa and Johnson again on the bench for Partick and Airdrie respectively.
Megwa returned from injury last week and hasn't automatically dislodged the jersey holder in a winning team but came on after 53 mins.

Reuben McAllister was on the bench for Cove but didn't get on and
Oscar MacIntyre who has been a regular starter this season found himself on the bench for QOS today but came on after 59 minutes

Great news regards Murray Aiken I got the impression he was going too be out for a bit longer needs a strong end to his season.
Johnston really needs a new loan there doesn't seem to be any rotation with the keepers even though Airdrie have been doing so poorly.
Young Jacob got replaced for Scott Allan at 0-0, 6 mintues later Allan was given a straight red, Kelty ended up losing 2-0.
Rory starting is a plus really small amount of game time this season.
Reuben seems to fall out when Cove have a full squad.
My Queens of the South pal who was at the game said Oscar was a strange one unless he's not 100% fit, came on for the last 30 and did well.
Good to hear Megwa is back don't think it will be too long before the shirt is his again.

[PHeffernan]

Great news regards Murray Aiken I got the impression he was going too be out for a bit longer needs a strong end to his season.
Johnston really needs a new loan there doesn't seem to be any rotation with the keepers even though Airdrie have been doing so poorly.
Young Jacob got replaced for Scott Allan at 0-0, 6 mintues later Allan was given a straight red, Kelty ended up losing 2-0.
Rory starting is a plus really small amount of game time this season.
Reuben seems to fall out when Cove have a full squad.
My Queens of the South pal who was at the game said Oscar was a strange one unless he's not 100% fit, came on for the last 30 and did well.
Good to hear Megwa is back don't think it will be too long before the shirt is his again.

That's funny, I missed that. The 4th tier or retirement beckons for Scott Allan.
Re Queen of the South, they are a bit of a mess. Oscar is part of a far better defence this season along with decent ex Hibs centre half Jack Brydon. However, their supporters are bored with the managers ultra defensive strategy and want him gone. Think they started with a back 3 yesterday which could have been why Oscar was on the bench and then reverted to a 4 when it went tits up.

[The dalmeny]

I see Airdrie have just recalled their loan keeper from Bo’ness Utd

[PHeffernan]

I see Airdrie have just recalled their loan keeper from Bo’ness Utd

Good spot.
Johnson on the move.

[eastmainsmsh]

Good spot.
Johnson on the move.

Crusaders?

[The dalmeny]

Malek back to City

[HIBS NUTS]

Malek back to City
Good move for him, he was there before.

[HIBS NUTS]

Hopefully loan teams are chosen more carefully ,these young players need to play almost every week, to progress.
DR went to Cowdenbeath, years ago, banged in goals, and he was playing first team football, very quickly.

[Ozyhibby]

Whittaker back to Hibs from Spartans. Not surprising news.


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[HIBS NUTS]

Whittaker back to Hibs from Spartans. Not surprising news.


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He can’t still play under 18

[followhibs]

Ruuben McAllister has returned from Cove not surprisingly as very limited game time, needs a loan where he's going play.
Rory Whittaker returned from Spartans still available for 18s if a loan can't be arranged.
Malik new loan for the remainder of this season at Edinburgh City, 18 minutes today in a 2-0 win over Bonnyrigg.
Megwa back in the starting line up, unfortunately has a own goal against his name and subbed at 66 minutes.
Jacob Macintyre 82 minutes for Kelty away to Montrose in a 0-0 draw.
Murray Aiken and Johnston, Airdries game postponed on Friday night.
McClelland 90 mintues for Coleraine in the Irish Cup
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente no game
Jair Tavares Motherwell game tomorrow.
Oscar Macintyre full 90 minutes for Queen of the South in a 1-0 win over Cove Rangers, going by one of there social media accounts looks like he's had another good game.

[JohnM1875]

Ruuben McAllister has returned from Cove not surprisingly as very limited game time, needs a loan where he's going play.
Rory Whittaker returned from Spartans still available for 18s if a loan can't be arranged.
Malik new loan for the remainder of this season at Edinburgh City.
Megwa back in the starting line up, unfortunately has a own goal against his name and subbed at 66 minutes.
Jacob Macintyre 82 minutes for Kelty away to Montrose in a 0-0 draw.
Murray Aiken and Johnston, Airdries game postponed on Friday night.
McClelland 90 mintues for Coleraine in the Irish Cup
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente no game
Jair Tavares Motherwell game tomorrow.
Oscar Macintyre full 90 minutes for Queen of the South in a 1-0 win over Cove Rangers, going by one of there social media accounts looks like he's had another good game.

Reuben out of contract this summer and doubt we'll offer him another, seems like a decent amount of money wasted on bringing him in.

Think Megwa, Aiken and the MacIntyre brothers have a chance at making it with us though. Hopefully see a few of them involved with us next season.

[Ozyhibby]

Reuben out of contract this summer and doubt we'll offer him another, seems like a decent amount of money wasted on bringing him in.

Think Megwa, Aiken and the MacIntyre brothers have a chance at making it with us though. Hopefully see a few of them involved with us next season.

Probably the most idiotic of all our signings since the Gordons arrived.[emoji35]


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[Coco Bryce]

Reuben out of contract this summer and doubt we'll offer him another, seems like a decent amount of money wasted on bringing him in.

Think Megwa, Aiken and the MacIntyre brothers have a chance at making it with us though. Hopefully see a few of them involved with us next season.

Aston Villa and Newcastle were also interested in him before he came to Hibs as his auld man was here.

[Bayern Bru]

Ruuben McAllister has returned from Cove not surprisingly as very limited game time, needs a loan where he's going play.
Rory Whittaker returned from Spartans still available for 18s if a loan can't be arranged.
Malik new loan for the remainder of this season at Edinburgh City, 18 minutes today in a 2-0 win over Bonnyrigg.
Megwa back in the starting line up, unfortunately has a own goal against his name and subbed at 66 minutes.
Jacob Macintyre 82 minutes for Kelty away to Montrose in a 0-0 draw.
Murray Aiken and Johnston, Airdries game postponed on Friday night.
McClelland 90 mintues for Coleraine in the Irish Cup
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente no game
Jair Tavares Motherwell game tomorrow.
Oscar Macintyre full 90 minutes for Queen of the South in a 1-0 win over Cove Rangers, going by one of there social media accounts looks like he's had another good game.

McAllister was only on loan until the start of January anyway. Same with Whittaker, Jacob MacIntyre, and Aiken.


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[Onceinawhile]

McAllister was only on loan until the start of January anyway. Same with Whittaker, Jacob MacIntyre, and Aiken.


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I'd rather see any of them on the bench tomorrow ahead of Amos, mckirdy or nmw.

[followhibs]

McAllister was only on loan until the start of January anyway. Same with Whittaker, Jacob MacIntyre, and Aiken.


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100 percent correct regards the players above, Macintyre played today so Kelty must have been keen to extend his loan not surprising as he has had some great write ups.
Aiken has been unfortunate with injury and McAllister and Whittaker have had little game time so be interesting to see what the next move is for them.

[basehibby]

Probably the most idiotic of all our signings since the Gordons arrived.[emoji35]


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(Re Reuben McCallister) - a bit early to make that call is it not? He's only 18!

There are plenty of candidates for most idiotic signing in the Gordon era and McCallister is nowhere near the shortlist.

Their names escape me but the US guy with a fondness for owls and the african guy who allegedly set his hair on fire spring to mind.

[Ozyhibby]

(Re Reuben McCallister) - a bit early to make that call is it not? He's only 18!

There are plenty of candidates for most idiotic signing in the Gordon era and McCallister is nowhere near the shortlist.

Their names escape me but the US guy with a fondness for owls and the african guy who allegedly set his hair on fire spring to mind.

Not really criticising the lad, he may turn out a fine player but let’s face it, we paid a 1/4 of a million quid for a 16 year old in order to keep an assistant manager happy. When it failed that £250k can be added to the cost of all their pay offs and the harm they done while they were here.


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[PHeffernan]

Crusaders?

There's a thousand cards to play
Until you play your life away







Street life, you can run away from time
Street life, for a nickel or a dime

[PHeffernan]

Not really criticising the lad, he may turn out a fine player but let’s face it, we paid a 1/4 of a million quid for a 16 year old in order to keep an assistant manager happy. When it failed that £250k can be added to the cost of all their pay offs and the harm they done while they were here.


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Suspect it was half that fee you mention with a gazillion add ons attached.
Reuben is only 18, advanced technically but behind physically for mens football.
Decision time for Hibs and the player.
Contract up this summer. Don't know if either party has a years option.
Hibs coaches will know his level and have a good idea of his potential. I hope they see enough in him to want to keep him.
Can't think of a single young Hibs player still playing who has been judged not good enough, moved on and ended up with a bigger club so our coaches young player assessments have been very good over the years.

[PHeffernan]

Malek back to City

Think that's Malik gone.
Like McClelland and Kenneh, his loan takes him to the end of his contract and he is playing in the 4th tier of Scottish football at the age of 20.

[PHeffernan]

Ruuben McAllister has returned from Cove not surprisingly as very limited game time, needs a loan where he's going play.
Rory Whittaker returned from Spartans still available for 18s if a loan can't be arranged.
Malik new loan for the remainder of this season at Edinburgh City, 18 minutes today in a 2-0 win over Bonnyrigg.
Megwa back in the starting line up, unfortunately has a own goal against his name and subbed at 66 minutes.
Jacob Macintyre 82 minutes for Kelty away to Montrose in a 0-0 draw.
Murray Aiken and Johnston, Airdries game postponed on Friday night.
McClelland 90 mintues for Coleraine in the Irish Cup
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente no game
Jair Tavares Motherwell game tomorrow.
Oscar Macintyre full 90 minutes for Queen of the South in a 1-0 win over Cove Rangers, going by one of there social media accounts looks like he's had another good game.

Thanks for that. Saved me looking.
MacIntyres leading Hibs Scottish based loanees and Megwa getting his post injury minutes up.
Hibs will be looking for better loan fits for Johnson, McAllister and Whittaker.

[Eyrie]

Suspect it was half that fee you mention with a gazillion add ons attached.
Reuben is only 18, advanced technically but behind physically for mens football.
Decision time for Hibs and the player.
Contract up this summer. Don't know if either party has a years option.
Hibs coaches will know his level and have a good idea of his potential. I hope they see enough in him to want to keep him.
Can't think of a single young Hibs player still playing who has been judged not good enough, moved on and ended up with a bigger club so our coaches young player assessments have been very good over the years.

Don't think McAllister will be on a big wage so Hibs could easily afford to give him a one or even two year deal to see how he develops unless it's already clear that he won't make it. Be a different matter if he was 20 though.

[Smartie]

Don't think McAllister will be on a big wage so Hibs could easily afford to give him a one or even two year deal to see how he develops unless it's already clear that he won't make it. Be a different matter if he was 20 though.

I have an issue with writing off players who are technically good enough but physically not quite there yet - it’s something that will sometimes come later.

Although sometimes not.

[04Sauzee]

Murray Aiken back at Hibs

[The dalmeny]

Think that's Malik gone.
Like McClelland and Kenneh, his loan takes him to the end of his contract and he is playing in the 4th tier of Scottish football at the age of 20.

iirc isn’t part of his contract paid by the Hanlon Stevenson foundation? (Not that I think that will make a difference)

[IanM]

Kenneh getting rave reviews from the county faithful - some can’t believe we’ve let him go

[HIBS NUTS]

Kenneh getting rave reviews from the county faithful - some can’t believe we’ve let him go
They obviously hadn’t watched him at HTC in his last development game.
He got a red card , he should have had one earlier , he gave a goal away, and was hauled off.
SDG was watching.
Good luck to him, right decision.

[PHeffernan]

Kenneh getting rave reviews from the county faithful - some can’t believe we’ve let him go

Kenneh is great at breaking up play and getting the ball back.
Downside is he has no ability on the ball, is not a good passer and is slow.
Can do a good job at Ross Co.

[The dalmeny]

PTFC for Johnson?

[Iain G]

PTFC for Johnson?

Is that like PTSD?

[The dalmeny]

Is that like PTSD?

it was for Harry Stone!!

[PHeffernan]

PTFC for Johnson?

Ex Hibs back up keeper David Mitchell, who left us in 2022, will be the PT keeper now unless Kris Doolan doesn't rate him.

[The dalmeny]

Hearing Johnson to Dumbarton

[PHeffernan]

Hearing Johnson to Dumbarton

Surely not.
Johnson is currently back up for the club astray at the bottom of the Scottish Championship and your "sources" have him moving to the club astray at the bottom of the 3rd tier.
A better club than Bumfarton will be needing a keeper this month with the January loan recalls in full swing.
This story will have started after Brett Long, the Dumbarton keeper had to be substituted due to injury on Saturday.
Long broke his ankle and missed the 2nd half of the season, hopefully, this latest injury is unrelated but he did miss a few games recently.
I'm going for it being an emergency loan if Johnson goes there.

[04Sauzee]

🇱🇻JACOB MacINTYRE🇱🇻

We are pleased to confirm that an agreement has been reached with Hibernian that will see the loan of Jacob MacIntyre extended until the end of the season.

The 18 year old midfielder has established himself as a key member of the squad since his arrival and has impressed the New Central Park faithful with his committed performances.

We're sure that all Kelty fans will welcome Jacob's extended stay and we all look forward to him adding to his 11 appearances and 2 goals in a maroon shirt.

We would like to thank Hibernian FC for their co-operation in securing this extended loan

#LoanExtension #JacobMacIntyre #KeltyHearts

[HIBS NUTS]

Surely not.
Johnson is currently back up for the club astray at the bottom of the Scottish Championship and your "sources" have him moving to the club astray at the bottom of the 3rd tier.
A better club than Bumfarton will be needing a keeper this month with the January loan recalls in full swing.
This story will have started after Brett Long, the Dumbarton keeper had to be substituted due to injury on Saturday.
Long broke his ankle and missed the 2nd half of the season, hopefully, this latest injury is unrelated but he did miss a few games recently.
I'm going for it being an emergency loan if Johnson goes there.
As long as he gets games, that’s all that matters, in fact he will get more actively at a club that is near the bottom of the league

[HIBS NUTS]

🇱🇻JACOB MacINTYRE🇱🇻

We are pleased to confirm that an agreement has been reached with Hibernian that will see the loan of Jacob MacIntyre extended until the end of the season.

The 18 year old midfielder has established himself as a key member of the squad since his arrival and has impressed the New Central Park faithful with his committed performances.

We're sure that all Kelty fans will welcome Jacob's extended stay and we all look forward to him adding to his 11 appearances and 2 goals in a maroon shirt.

We would like to thank Hibernian FC for their co-operation in securing this extended loan

#LoanExtension #JacobMacIntyre #KeltyHearts
Very good young player, hopefully he joins the main squad with his brother this summer

[Up-the-slope]

🇱🇻JACOB MacINTYRE🇱🇻

We are pleased to confirm that an agreement has been reached with Hibernian that will see the loan of Jacob MacIntyre extended until the end of the season.

The 18 year old midfielder has established himself as a key member of the squad since his arrival and has impressed the New Central Park faithful with his committed performances.

We're sure that all Kelty fans will welcome Jacob's extended stay and we all look forward to him adding to his 11 appearances and 2 goals in a maroon shirt.

We would like to thank Hibernian FC for their co-operation in securing this extended loan

#LoanExtension #JacobMacIntyre #KeltyHearts

Did they have to emphasise that

:jamboak:

[followhibs]

🇱🇻JACOB MacINTYRE🇱🇻

We are pleased to confirm that an agreement has been reached with Hibernian that will see the loan of Jacob MacIntyre extended until the end of the season.

The 18 year old midfielder has established himself as a key member of the squad since his arrival and has impressed the New Central Park faithful with his committed performances.

We're sure that all Kelty fans will welcome Jacob's extended stay and we all look forward to him adding to his 11 appearances and 2 goals in a maroon shirt.

We would like to thank Hibernian FC for their co-operation in securing this extended loan

#LoanExtension #JacobMacIntyre #KeltyHearts


Very positive, Jacob missed a fair bit of football this season with his injury (broken ankle) so great to see his loan club want to extend his stay.
Going off the reports he's had 2 goals, 1 assist and 2 MOM, sounds like he's taken the step into mens football in his stride.

[followhibs]

Very good young player, hopefully he joins the main squad with his brother this summer

Watched Oscar this season and have a pal sees him most weeks as a Queens fan definitely has got a bit about him, has every attribute required for the modern day LB/LWB.

[HIBS NUTS]

Watched Oscar this season and have a pal sees him most weeks as a Queens fan definitely has got a bit about him, has every attribute required for the modern day LB/LWB.
Oscar has a brilliant attitude, that’s probably the most important thing for any young player.

[CapitalGreen]

Jacob MacIntyre playing live on BBC Alba just now for Kelty v Stenhousemuir

[followhibs]

Ruuben McAllister has returned from Cove not surprisingly as very limited game time, needs a loan where he's going play.
Rory Whittaker returned from Spartans still available for 18s if a loan can't be arranged.
Malik new loan for the remainder of this season at Edinburgh City, 18 minutes today in a 2-0 win over Bonnyrigg.
Megwa back in the starting line up, unfortunately has a own goal against his name and subbed at 66 minutes.
Jacob Macintyre 82 minutes for Kelty away to Montrose in a 0-0 draw.
Murray Aiken and Johnston, Airdries game postponed on Friday night.
McClelland 90 mintues for Coleraine in the Irish Cup
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente no game
Jair Tavares Motherwell game tomorrow.
Oscar Macintyre full 90 minutes for Queen of the South in a 1-0 win over Cove Rangers, going by one of there social media accounts looks like he's had another good game.

Reuben McAllister returned from loan no game.
Rory Whittaker played for the 18s last night came off with what looked like a hamstring hope its not too serious
Malik played 22 minutes in a 0-1 loss to Peterhead
Megwa started in a 2-1 win over Hamilton subbed at 74 minutes no comments on why hopefully tactical as just back from injury.
Jacob Macintyre started in a 0-0 against Stenhousmuir subbed at 72 watched 30 minutes very scrappy game didn't get a huge ammount of the ball.
Murray Aiken returned from loan no game
Murray Johnston no game
McCelland game postponed
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente 90 minutes in a 0-1 loss
Jair Tavares not quoted can't play against Hibs
Oscar Macintyre 90 minutes in a 1-1 against Alloa, young man seems to have been a standout great feedback from a pal at the game and some decent comments on Queens X feed.

[HIBS NUTS]

Jacob MacIntyre playing live on BBC Alba just now for Kelty v Stenhousemuir
How did he play

[followhibs]

How did he play

Looked fine, very scrappy game, he didn't have many opportunies, the game was more like head tennis at times.

[followhibs]

Reuben McAllister returned from loan
Rory Whittaker returned from loan
Malik Zaid 90 minutes in a 2-0 win over Clyde
Megwa no game (Partick out of the Scottish Cup)
Murray Johnston on the bench unused
Murray Aiken returned from loan
Jacob Macintyre started in the East of Scotland Cup in a convincing 4-1 win over Bonnyrigg Rose, subbed at half time along with 3 other regular starters so looks tactical rather than performance or injury.
McClelland 90 minutes for Coleraine in a 2-0 loss to Crusaders, 2 ex Hibs players Jacob Blaney and Josh O'Connor played for Crusaders no minutes for O'Connor but 90 minutes and a goal for Blaney)
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente scored in a 3-1 win today over PSV
Jair Tavares not quoted today
Oscar Macintyre played full 90 in a 3-1 defeat to St Mirren, apparently a close game St Mirren scored the 3rd in injury time as Queens pushed for the equaliser. Oscar played LWB then LCH and looked very good.

[JohnM1875]

Reuben McAllister returned from loan
Rory Whittaker returned from loan
Malik no game (Edinburgh city out of the Scottish Cup)
Megwa no game (Partick out of the Scottish Cup)
Murray Johnston on the bench unused
Murray Aiken returned from loan
Jacob Macintyre started in the East of Scotland Cup in a convincing 4-1 win over Bonnyrigg Rose, subbed at half time along with 3 other regular starters so looks tactical rather than performance or injury.
McClelland 90 minutes for Coleraine in a 2-0 loss to Crusaders, 2 ex Hibs players Jacob Blaney and Josh O'Connor played for Crusaders no minutes for O'Connor but 90 minutes and a goal for Blaney)
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente scored in a 3-1 win today over PSV
Jair Tavares not quoted today
Oscar Macintyre played full 90 in a 3-1 defeat to St Mirren, apparently a close game St Mirren scored the 3rd in injury time as Queens pushed for the equaliser. Oscar played LWB then LCH and looked very good.

Surprised Aiken has returned from his loan, wasn't he doing well there?

Think the above shows how hard it is to make the jump up from development football to men's first team. That and how difficult it is to find the right loan move.

Thanks again for the update.

[PHeffernan]

Reuben McAllister returned from loan
Rory Whittaker returned from loan
Malik no game (Edinburgh city out of the Scottish Cup)
Megwa no game (Partick out of the Scottish Cup)
Murray Johnston on the bench unused
Murray Aiken returned from loan
Jacob Macintyre started in the East of Scotland Cup in a convincing 4-1 win over Bonnyrigg Rose, subbed at half time along with 3 other regular starters so looks tactical rather than performance or injury.
McClelland 90 minutes for Coleraine in a 2-0 loss to Crusaders, 2 ex Hibs players Jacob Blaney and Josh O'Connor played for Crusaders no minutes for O'Connor but 90 minutes and a goal for Blaney)
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente scored in a 3-1 win today over PSV
Jair Tavares not quoted today
Oscar Macintyre played full 90 in a 3-1 defeat to St Mirren, apparently a close game St Mirren scored the 3rd in injury time as Queens pushed for the equaliser. Oscar played LWB then LCH and looked very good.

Thanks for compiling that. Surprised to see MJ still at Airdrie.
Probably just waiting for an opening elsewhere.
A few of the young guys will almost certainly be going out on loan again in the next 2 weeks.

[hibeejeebies]

Reuben McAllister returned from loan
Rory Whittaker returned from loan
Malik no game (Edinburgh city out of the Scottish Cup)
Megwa no game (Partick out of the Scottish Cup)
Murray Johnston on the bench unused
Murray Aiken returned from loan
Jacob Macintyre started in the East of Scotland Cup in a convincing 4-1 win over Bonnyrigg Rose, subbed at half time along with 3 other regular starters so looks tactical rather than performance or injury.
McClelland 90 minutes for Coleraine in a 2-0 loss to Crusaders, 2 ex Hibs players Jacob Blaney and Josh O'Connor played for Crusaders no minutes for O'Connor but 90 minutes and a goal for Blaney)
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente scored in a 3-1 win today over PSV
Jair Tavares not quoted today
Oscar Macintyre played full 90 in a 3-1 defeat to St Mirren, apparently a close game St Mirren scored the 3rd in injury time as Queens pushed for the equaliser. Oscar played LWB then LCH and looked very good.

Appreciate your updates FH.

Did a double-take at the Dylan Vente line.

[Keepthefaith]

Reuben McAllister returned from loan
Rory Whittaker returned from loan
Malik no game (Edinburgh city out of the Scottish Cup)
Megwa no game (Partick out of the Scottish Cup)
Murray Johnston on the bench unused
Murray Aiken returned from loan
Jacob Macintyre started in the East of Scotland Cup in a convincing 4-1 win over Bonnyrigg Rose, subbed at half time along with 3 other regular starters so looks tactical rather than performance or injury.
McClelland 90 minutes for Coleraine in a 2-0 loss to Crusaders, 2 ex Hibs players Jacob Blaney and Josh O'Connor played for Crusaders no minutes for O'Connor but 90 minutes and a goal for Blaney)
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente scored in a 3-1 win today over PSV
Jair Tavares not quoted today
Oscar Macintyre played full 90 in a 3-1 defeat to St Mirren, apparently a close game St Mirren scored the 3rd in injury time as Queens pushed for the equaliser. Oscar played LWB then LCH and looked very good.

Malik played in city's 2-0 win at Clyde last night

[HIBS NUTS]

Thanks for compiling that. Surprised to see MJ still at Airdrie.
Probably just waiting for an opening elsewhere.
A few of the young guys will almost certainly be going out on loan again in the next 2 weeks.
Mabye Airdrie are paying a high proportion of his wages .
He should go and get games elsewhere

[followhibs]

Surprised Aiken has returned from his loan, wasn't he doing well there?

Think the above shows how hard it is to make the jump up from development football to men's first team. That and how difficult it is to find the right loan move.

Thanks again for the update.

I think Aiken was doing well however has suffered from a few injuries so looks like Airdrie have decided not to extend hopefully he will get a new loan in this window as his contract with us is up this summer.
Totally agree the loans are not as easy as some expect. Play for Hibs so your bound to get a game in a lower divisions defiantly not the case.
Oscar Macintyre seems to have established himself regular starter now at 53 league and 8 Cup games also similar for Kanayo Megwa is at 51 games across his 3 loans with Kelty, Airdrie and Partick.

[followhibs]

Mabye Airdrie are paying a high proportion of his wages .
He should go and get games elsewhere

I have heard something similar that Airdrie are paying a chunk of his wages so a new loan may not be as easy Hibs would probably have to be willing to take a hit if they tried to cancel it.

[followhibs]

Malik played in city's 2-0 win at Clyde last night

Thank you, amended it, missed they had a league game last night.

[The dalmeny]

Malik played in city's 2-0 win at Clyde last night

think he got MoM

[followhibs]

Thanks for compiling that. Surprised to see MJ still at Airdrie.
Probably just waiting for an opening elsewhere.
A few of the young guys will almost certainly be going out on loan again in the next 2 weeks.

Yeah, he needs to play, I noticed Dumbarton was mentioned in a earlier thread they have just taken a young keeper from Falkirk, Owen Hayward, he was released from hibs a few seasons ago.

[Billy Whizz]

Reuben McAllister returned from loan
Rory Whittaker returned from loan
Malik Zaid 90 minutes in a 2-0 win over Clyde
Megwa no game (Partick out of the Scottish Cup)
Murray Johnston on the bench unused
Murray Aiken returned from loan
Jacob Macintyre started in the East of Scotland Cup in a convincing 4-1 win over Bonnyrigg Rose, subbed at half time along with 3 other regular starters so looks tactical rather than performance or injury.
McClelland 90 minutes for Coleraine in a 2-0 loss to Crusaders, 2 ex Hibs players Jacob Blaney and Josh O'Connor played for Crusaders no minutes for O'Connor but 90 minutes and a goal for Blaney)
Allan Delferriere no game
Dylan Vente scored in a 3-1 win today over PSV
Jair Tavares not quoted today
Oscar Macintyre played full 90 in a 3-1 defeat to St Mirren, apparently a close game St Mirren scored the 3rd in injury time as Queens pushed for the equaliser. Oscar played LWB then LCH and looked very good.

Cracking update, well done

[Brooster]

Does anyone know if our Loans Manager watches the players who are out on loan?

For example did he take the time to watch Oscar McIntyre play the full game against Premier League opposition yesterday?

[PHeffernan]

Yeah, he needs to play, I noticed Dumbarton was mentioned in a earlier thread they have just taken a young keeper from Falkirk, Owen Hayward, he was released from hibs a few seasons ago.

Sportsound mentioned Hayward arriving on loan at Dumbarton. I didn't realise he was ex Hibs academy.

[followhibs]

Does anyone know if our Loans Manager watches the players who are out on loan?

For example did he take the time to watch Oscar McIntyre play the full game against Premier League opposition yesterday?

I bought this up on this thread a few months ago after watching Oscar in a Dumfries Derby against Annan where he was the standout he has played for Annan on a previous loan both sets of fans raved about him. He has played in every league and cup game available to Queen of the south and Annan in 2024/25 seasons and going by the online comments is having another strong season.
David Marshall has been talked about as the link between the loan players and the club however when a player goes out we don't seem to hear anything, hence the updates.
The loans system is difficult to work out if you look at Kanyao Megwa and Oscar Macintyre they have gone into there loan clubs established themselves and become an integral part of there teams.
Rudi Molotnikov went to Stirling Albion for 6 months and only played 6 times in a relegated team then returns to the first team fold and is progressing well.
Dylan Tait just kept being put on loan for 4 years with zero opportunities at Hibs now main stay of a very strong Falkirk team who look very promising to come up to the SPL, we released him. I appreciate there are 2 sides Tait has come across in the past as not the easiest player to manage.
Is the loan system managed properly or is it just blind luck or being in the right place at the right time.

[JimBHibees]

Does anyone know if our Loans Manager watches the players who are out on loan?

For example did he take the time to watch Oscar McIntyre play the full game against Premier League opposition yesterday?

Who is our loan manager however you would have thought that was a perfect game to be watching how he did

[Brooster]

Who is our loan manager however you would have thought that was a perfect game to be watching how he did

David Marshall is our loans manager which always had a jobs for the boys feel to it. I'd bet a penny to a pound that he's not been to see Oscar or many of our other loanees.

[cameronw-hfc]

David Marshall is our loans manager which always had a jobs for the boys feel to it. I'd bet a penny to a pound that he's not been to see Oscar or many of our other loanees.

I though Marshall was the assistant technical director or something, working under Malky

[IberianHibernian]

David Marshall is our loans manager which always had a jobs for the boys feel to it. I'd bet a penny to a pound that he's not been to see Oscar or many of our other loanees.
Why such negativity ? Could it not be argued we`re lucky to have someone who has had such a successful playing career working for us ? Do you really think that someone who has had such a successful career would not go to watch our on loan players if that`s part of his job ? There are about a dozen such players so hard for him to watch them regularly in person .

[CapitalGreen]

Every game is recorded throughout the Scottish leagues these days, the club won’t be short of footage for our players out on loan.

[Iain G]

Why such negativity ? Could it not be argued we`re lucky to have someone who has had such a successful playing career working for us ? Do you really think that someone who has had such a successful career would not go to watch our on loan players if that`s part of his job ? There are about a dozen such players so hard for him to watch them regularly in person .

Relentless negativity as an automated reaction is still rife even though we have been doing well it seems.

[Brooster]

Relentless negativity as an automated reaction is still rife even though we have been doing well it seems.

If you can tell me how many games David Marshall (Loans Manager) has been to I might change my mind on him.