Hibs v Dundee - Match Day Thread

[Cabbage-Patch]

Just seen their equaliser.

O’Hora was terrible. Zero awareness of what’s around him

Wasn't too clever for thier 1st either. Didn't close the Dundee forward down quick enough but Obitas s*** clearance didn't help matters.

How can our defence actually be worse than last season? That's pretty much our entire defence plus the keeper lost us goals in every game this season so far due to stupid mistakes.

[B.H.F.C]

Just seen their equaliser.

O’Hora was terrible. Zero awareness of what’s around him

It was a bad mistake. Handful of competitive games against proper opposition and the centre halves and goalie who were brought in to sort things out in that area have a growing collection between them. Worrying stuff.

[Stuart93]

Because the way the first half was going I would have ripped your arm off for a point. I also think man for man Dundee may currently have a better starting 11 than us unfortunately. If that is a defeatist attitude then so be it but that is my perspective.

Yep but the game then changed in the 2nd half and we were 2-1 up heading into the 90th minute.

We should always be seeing that out vs Dundee

It’s two point dropped. Sugarcoat it however you like if it makes you feel better.

[Real Emerald]

[QUOTE=Cabbage-Patch;7752728]Wasn't too clever for thier 1st either. Didn't close the Dundee forward down quick enough but Obitas s*** clearance didn't help matters.

How can our defence actually be worse than last season? That's pretty much our entire defence plus the keeper lost us goals in every game this season so far due to stupid mistakes.[/QUOTE

The worrying thing is that a lot of fans were saying it’ll take more than this transfer window to get rid of the bad signings we’ve made in the past before we can build a decent team. We’re now in a position where we’ll need more transfer windows to get rid of the dross we’ve signed in this window, you couldn’t make it up. Bowie being the exception.

[RMQ1967]

Just seen their equaliser.

O’Hora was terrible. Zero awareness of what’s around him

Haven't seen it again but 100% the way it looked to me. Nothing to do with substitutions, Rocky, Miko David Gray or any of that utter nonsense.

The defender fell asleep, totally unacceptable & totally on O'Hora.

These clowns need to wake up & cut out the amateur mistakes - no manager can make allowances for that level of incompetence!!

[Lago]

It was a bad mistake. Handful of competitive games against proper opposition and the centre halves and goalie who were brought in to sort things out in that area have a growing collection between them. Worrying stuff.
The keeper has no presence about him certainly doesn't command the box.

[JJP]

Yep but the game then changed in the 2nd half and we were 2-1 up heading into the 90th minute.

We should always be seeing that out vs Dundee

It’s two point dropped. Sugarcoat it however you like if it makes you feel better.

I’m not sugar coating anything. My whole point is that we are currently not a very good side and my expectations are low as a result. I don’t say any of that to make myself feel better and I’m not sure why you have interpreted it that way.

[LaMotta]

Just seen their equaliser.

O’Hora was terrible. Zero awareness of what’s around him

Absolutely gutted about that goal, because I thought O'Hora had actually looked pretty good up until then. Now we have serious question marks about the 2 new CH's and the goalie :boo hoo:

[Cuikyhibs]

https://x.com/ScotlandSky/status/1827425644785103064?t=F8ugAScfT2_336xjSF9o7w&s=19

[Tyler Durden]

The biggest concern for me today is that I thought we looked completely lacking in any plan. We basically put a lot of hopeful balls in to the box and rely on our forwards coming up with an individual moment.

Shape wise and organisation we look all over the place, more when the opposition have the ball. It concerns me because I don’t think we look a well coached team who are clear in what they are doing and that’s what I thought Gray would make us.

Yeah today was a bit deflating.

Certain aspects - Kwon and Newell or Cadden/Obita having positional misunderstandings - could be accepted.

General pattern of play though…. Just didn’t exist. Cadden and Obita were continually chucking in crosses but nobody seemed tasked with getting in the box to support the forward. And our approach to playing out or going longer was just all over the place.

Finally in terms of the sub and self inflicted wounds. When Rocky comes on the back 3 are all in different positions to how they lined up vs Celtic. Not an excuse but probably hasn’t helped O’Hora, although his attempts were totally shocking.

[Tyler Durden]

Absolutely gutted about that goal, because I thought O'Hora had actually looked pretty good up until then. Now we have serious question marks about the 2 new CH's and the goalie :boo hoo:

And both our full backs are consistently crap

[H18 SFR]

Vente done his work 40 yards from goal. Today mykolo done his work 40 yards from goal. It’s either the tactic or both centre forwards are screaming out that we need to get the ball to them rather than them coming to the ball.

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah today was a bit deflating.

Certain aspects - Kwon and Newell or Cadden/Obita having positional misunderstandings - could be accepted.

General pattern of play though…. Just didn’t exist. Cadden and Obita were continually chucking in crosses but nobody seemed tasked with getting in the box to support the forward. And our approach to playing out or going longer was just all over the place.

Finally in terms of the sub and self inflicted wounds. When Rocky comes on the back 3 are all in different positions to how they lined up vs Celtic. Not an excuse but probably hasn’t helped O’Hora, although his attempts were totally shocking.

That last point is an interesting one and it hadn’t even occurred to me to be honest. Again, that’s another inconsistency and, like with the defensive setup from corners in the second half, points to a lack of attention to detail for me.

[GreenCastle]

Yeah today was a bit deflating.

Certain aspects - Kwon and Newell or Cadden/Obita having positional misunderstandings - could be accepted.

General pattern of play though…. Just didn’t exist. Cadden and Obita were continually chucking in crosses but nobody seemed tasked with getting in the box to support the forward. And our approach to playing out or going longer was just all over the place.

Finally in terms of the sub and self inflicted wounds. When Rocky comes on the back 3 are all in different positions to how they lined up vs Celtic. Not an excuse but probably hasn’t helped O’Hora, although his attempts were totally shocking.

Very good point about the back 3.

O’Hora has never played on the left of a back 3 when at MK Dons as far as I’m aware.

[Tyler Durden]

Very good point about the back 3.

O’Hora has never played on the left of a back 3 when at MK Dons as far as I’m aware.

It already seems clear that none of the 3 will be comfortable playing on the left of a 3.

We’d have been aswell signing an average player such as Iacovitti who would at least provide balance and do the basics

[B.H.F.C]

Vente done his work 40 yards from goal. Today mykolo done his work 40 yards from goal. It’s either the tactic or both centre forwards are screaming out that we need to get the ball to them rather than them coming to the ball.

I think a big part of it is lack of creativity in the middle of the park.

We create very little, it seems to all be about getting wide and chucking a hopeful ball in to the box. If it gets deflected out we’ll then put a hopeful corner in. Or if it gets deflected out a bit further, we’ll put a hopeful long throw in. We really need to get a creative midfielder in, whether it’s McCowan or someone else.

One positive is that both the new strikers have scored good goals and are off the mark.

[Bridge hibs]

What’s funny ?

Last season. *****. 2 managers sacked

The season before. *****. 2 managers sacked

I don’t know what you define as patient. Glad you find it funny though. Clown

I quoted your post because if you read back your last approx 500 posts you have been anything but calm, you are a miserable drama queen and every single one of your posts suck the life out of this forum, you are the constant negative, not hibs

[NC1875]

I quoted your post because if you read back your last approx 500 posts you have been anything but calm, you are a miserable drama queen and every single one of your posts suck the life out of this forum, you are the constant negative, not hibs

So ram that up yer pipe, gangsta boy !

👏🏼 if only the club would give us something to be positive about.

Enjoy your night.

[cubehindthegoal]

Happy with that team, would have had Bowie in for Boyle though

Just catching up after work and other stuff today .. I don’t know the ins and outs of the match, apart from a few - perhaps ill-informed - snippets. I try to hold back on criticising managers too much, simply because it’s easy to forget they have choices to make while not always having the best personnel to choose from

… but I was surprised to hear of the choice to leave Bowie out, and I agree Boyle would have been on the bench rather than Bowie for me.

Might not have made a difference to the match, I have no idea as not had a chance to read beyond this so far … others may know ?

[ancient hibee]

Just catching up after work and other stuff today .. I don’t know the ins and outs of the match, apart from a few - perhaps ill-informed - snippets. I try to hold back on criticising managers too much, simply because it’s easy to forget they have choices to make while not always having the best personnel to choose from

… but I was surprised to hear of the choice to leave Bowie out, and I agree Boyle would have been on the bench rather than Bowie for me.

Might not have made a difference to the match, I have no idea as not had a chance to read beyond this so far … others may know ?
#
Boyle won MOM.

[cubehindthegoal]

#
Boyle won MOM.

I’m glad to hear he’s done that. Did we miss Bowie ?

Saying that … I need to read match report and this feed before I comment really, my bad. Just have an inkling Bowie is our best player to be. But I’m as good as us all at being wrong though !

[Tyler Durden]

#
Boyle won MOM.

He wasn’t great by any means IMO. Especially the run 2nd half where he showed no awareness and just crossed into space when clearly his team mates were miles behind

[coldingham hibs]

Everything about the club just seems to be a collection of stabs in the dark with the hope that we stumble upon something good.

Management choices, player recruitment, contracts, all the way down to how we play, just one big stab in the dark.

The only thing consistent is the mess we repeatedly find ourselves in.

Spot on, a complete shambles. Gray doesn’t have a clue, which is unfortunate. Still stands with hands in his pockets looking totally uninspiring. Both our goals came from out the blue moments and bore no reflection on how we were performing, we had no concerted pressure on a very average Dundee team. It’s become very difficult watching this.

[Liam978]

[QUOTE=coldingham hibs;7752864]Spot on, a complete shambles. Gray doesn’t have a clue, which is unfortunate. Still stands with hands in his pockets looking totally uninspiring. Both our goals came from out the blue moments and bore no reflection on how we were performing, we had no concerted pressure on a very average Dundee team. It’s become very difficult watchin

Sadly i have to agree with this post, SDG is not the man for the job we had hoped he would be. obtained the substitution format of his predecessors, Tony Docherty could not believe his luck when he counteracted with an extra attacker . we are still with you David but time waits for no man.

[H18 SFR]

[QUOTE=coldingham hibs;7752864]Spot on, a complete shambles. Gray doesn’t have a clue, which is unfortunate. Still stands with hands in his pockets looking totally uninspiring. Both our goals came from out the blue moments and bore no reflection on how we were performing, we had no concerted pressure on a very average Dundee team. It’s become very difficult watchin

Sadly i have to agree with this post, SDG is not the man for the job we had hoped he would be. obtained the substitution format of his predecessors, Tony Docherty could not believe his luck when he counteracted with an extra attacker . we are still with you David but time waits for no man.

I agree re time waits for no man.

I left the ground today thinking this is very much the start of the end of the road. How long that road is time will tell.

['mon the beers]

That first goal is beyond *****, so poor. Then a lucky break for the second. We are miles off it.

If Gray doesn’t play Bowie from the start then what’s the point?

And for Murray’s goal, just *****.

[The Tubs]

[QUOTE=Liam978;7752910]

I agree re time waits for no man.

I left the ground today thinking this is very much the start of the end of the road. How long that road is time will tell.

The start of the end of the road that leads to trophies, countless victories and mindblowing football. Cannae wait.

[K-Zazu]

I really wish we had signed Simon Murray, exactly what we needed.

[Bridge hibs]

👏🏼 if only the club would give us something to be positive about.

Enjoy your night.

I agree with that 👍

[Tambo]

The first goal is Sunday league stuff for me, the clearance is poor for a start and we should still be doing better when the ball comes back into the box.

Still a tough one to take in and we must improve quickly.

Bowie a positive for me on a negative afternoon.

[GreenCastle]

The first goal is Sunday league stuff for me, the clearance is poor for a start and we should still be doing better when the ball comes back into the box.

Still a tough one to take in and we must improve quickly.

Bowie a positive for me on a negative afternoon.


We have let in 10 goals in 4 games - I would say the majority of them are school boy defending.

Until we become harder to beat - we will continue to leak goals. Marshall / Hanlon / Stevenson were getting pelters at times but honestly don’t think they would be any worse right now than what we are watching.

[Tambo]

We have let in 10 goals in 4 games - I would say the majority of them are school boy defending.

Until we become harder to beat - we will continue to leak goals. Marshall / Hanlon / Stevenson were getting pelters at times but honestly don’t think they would be any worse right now than what we are watching.

No doubt, I have posted a few times this season on yet again it's the nature of the goals we have let in, to many easy goals for the opposition.

It's a mixture of a lot of things, being soft as ***** most of the times, the first half it was like we was scared to try and play some football, just doing the basics.

From the league games so far we would have been better keeping Marshall on the pitch and keeping both Hanlon and Stevenson like you say.

Kilmarnock have been playing Thursday's and Sundays with another double header for them this week and no doubt they'll have more fight and urgency than us.

[McGruber]

Dundee were the better team first half and could have had the game won by half time, Hibs were fortunate to go in level from the goal from the free kick (very well taken)

Both Dundee goals were shocking defending. The goalkeeper and centre backs have had a terrible start to the season. However, Ekpiteta was pretty solid and had a good game - he's just getting shot with the crows this time. O'Hora was culpable today but before k.o. was hailed as the good one out the 2 centre backs.

Hibs were the better team in the second half. Always the more likely to go infront and did then looked more likely to hit a 3rd than conceding. More likely for a late winner at 2-2 aswell.

Proverbial game of 2 halves with overall, Hibs were the better team.

Nobody mentioning Dundee defending for Hibs 2nd goal, just as shocking as us. We just don't concern ourselves with it. Was also great goal by Bowie.

2 mins from this place being full of praise for the team but concession of late goal/dropped points sees the reaction (correctly) and also the wild over reactions.

Disappointing to draw a game we should have won. Still not good enough but we were improved and loads of positives in there too, even if folk too blinded by being pissed off with the late goal to see it.

[SaulGoodman]

2 shots on target all match btw. At home.

[HIBS NUTS]

2 shots on target all match btw. At home.
Shows how terrible the Dundee defence is, and goal keeper is, if they let both shots in.
It was a decent game, against a good team.
if we hadn’t conceded late, then none of these negative threads would exist.
Overacting to a draw.

[DIXIHIBS]

Very poor first half and lucky to go in all square. Definitely improved after the break but weak defending cost us. A bit of luck with Campbell shot off the bar and this would be a very different thread. Fine margins. 1 point better off than last season already:greengrin

[Nicho87]

Centre half was the position anyone and everyone knew that needed addressing

When you sign from lower leagues England you will of course get lucky sometimes but for every rob jones you tend to find a good few Tom James and Riley Harbottles

Imo we were / we still are crying out for a dominant centre half who knows the league and fairly experienced at this level. Jason Kerr should have been given a blank cheque book.

Ohora has been deemed the ball playing centre half, I’ve yet to be convinced of this, he looked unaware positionally which led to Murray’s goal.

I’d be after 2 new centre half’s pronto and ship rocky out, he has ran his race.

The goalie also, will make one or two saves across the season but how much are standards have dropped since Marciano, he had his moments like everyone else but he actually saved / won hibs points a few times. I don’t get any sense of presence or calm with burisik.

Worrying that all our eggs seem to be on McGowan, whilst he will easily walk into our powderpuff midfield I hope hibs realise there is still plenty of work needing done at the back which is just as vital to have any chance of remotely threatening top 6.

[Broken Gnome]

There has to be a request-a-stat man out there for this, but if you take this back any number of seasons there can't be a side that ship as many 80+ minute home goals than Hibs.

The amount of late points we've lost, particularly in recent years, is unbelievable.

[hibbie02]

Dundee were the better team first half and could have had the game won by half time, Hibs were fortunate to go in level from the goal from the free kick (very well taken)

Both Dundee goals were shocking defending. The goalkeeper and centre backs have had a terrible start to the season. However, Ekpiteta was pretty solid and had a good game - he's just getting shot with the crows this time. O'Hora was culpable today but before k.o. was hailed as the good one out the 2 centre backs.

Hibs were the better team in the second half. Always the more likely to go infront and did then looked more likely to hit a 3rd than conceding. More likely for a late winner at 2-2 aswell.

Proverbial game of 2 halves with overall, Hibs were the better team.

Nobody mentioning Dundee defending for Hibs 2nd goal, just as shocking as us. We just don't concern ourselves with it. Was also great goal by Bowie.

2 mins from this place being full of praise for the team but concession of late goal/dropped points sees the reaction (correctly) and also the wild over reactions.

Disappointing to draw a game we should have won. Still not good enough but we were improved and loads of positives in there too, even if folk too blinded by being pissed off with the late goal to see it.

Totally agree with this summary. I thought we might get a third too until those substitutions. Maybe I have followed Hibs for too long but taking off Rudi then Big Myko to bring in NMW and Rocky gave me the fear. The old "stiffen up the defence and hold on" routine. I can't remember when we last had a squad that was able to do that. My memories are full of throwing it all away in the final minutes. O'Hora had no idea what he was doing in the back 3, so was in completely the wrong place to stop Murray.

Bursik gives me zero confidence. What the hell was going on with "goal kicks" or whatever they are called when they don't actually kick it out. None of them had a clue. Bursik just wandering around his box with the ball.

Looking at the Dee team, I am not sure McCowan is the one we need. He is tidy and goes forward, but we need someone like Scylla who works like a demon to win the ball and protect their defence, which was as bad as ours. I'd still take McCowan.

[hibbie02]

There has to be a request-a-stat man out there for this, but if you take this back any number of seasons there can't be a side that ship as many 80+ minute home goals than Hibs.

The amount of late points we've lost, particularly in recent years, is unbelievable.

The last time I relaxed with Hibs in a winning position was when we were 3-0 up against Killie in the League Cup final. So we lost a goal, but we didn't shut up shop, we went on and scored 2 more.

[Bridge hibs]

The last time I relaxed with Hibs in a winning position was when we were 3-0 up against Killie in the League Cup final. So we lost a goal, but we didn't shut up shop, we went on and scored 2 more.

I wasnt but I was a bit more optimistic when the 5th went in 😄

[DIXIHIBS]

The last time I relaxed with Hibs in a winning position was when we were 3-0 up against Killie in the League Cup final. So we lost a goal, but we didn't shut up shop, we went on and scored 2 more.
The last time you relaxed was 17 years ago?? What about when we were 5 goals up a couple of weeks ago:confused:

[hibbie02]

The last time you relaxed was 17 years ago?? What about when we were 5 goals up a couple of weeks ago:confused:

You're right, I was on the beach with a cold beer and no wi-fi...... :agree:

[Smartie]

Totally agree with this summary. I thought we might get a third too until those substitutions. Maybe I have followed Hibs for too long but taking off Rudi then Big Myko to bring in NMW and Rocky gave me the fear. The old "stiffen up the defence and hold on" routine. I can't remember when we last had a squad that was able to do that. My memories are full of throwing it all away in the final minutes. O'Hora had no idea what he was doing in the back 3, so was in completely the wrong place to stop Murray.

Bursik gives me zero confidence. What the hell was going on with "goal kicks" or whatever they are called when they don't actually kick it out. None of them had a clue. Bursik just wandering around his box with the ball.

Looking at the Dee team, I am not sure McCowan is the one we need. He is tidy and goes forward, but we need someone like Scylla who works like a demon to win the ball and protect their defence, which was as bad as ours. I'd still take McCowan.

Re the subs - I didn’t actually have a problem with the players we took off. Rudi looked dead on his feet a good 10 minutes before he was substituted, his race was run and he needed to come off. It may not have been as obvious with Myko but he’d put a decent shift in and hasn’t played all that much football.

I’d still take issue with the tactical shift and who went in though - although if McKirdy was grumbling from the sidelines as much as has been suggested, maybe he’s not likely to be trusted by Gray unless we’re desperate? A few minutes from him running himself into the ground might have been a better alternative for one of them?

[JimBHibees]

Yeah today was a bit deflating.

Certain aspects - Kwon and Newell or Cadden/Obita having positional misunderstandings - could be accepted.

General pattern of play though…. Just didn’t exist. Cadden and Obita were continually chucking in crosses but nobody seemed tasked with getting in the box to support the forward. And our approach to playing out or going longer was just all over the place.

Finally in terms of the sub and self inflicted wounds. When Rocky comes on the back 3 are all in different positions to how they lined up vs Celtic. Not an excuse but probably hasn’t helped O’Hora, although his attempts were totally shocking.

Good point re back 3 last week from what i remember we had Warren Marvin Rocky this week Rocky Marvin Warren. Think Rocky would have done better last goal in terms of recovery but his positioning ain’t great either. O’Hora isn’t the quickest i don’t think and susceptible to be run in behind. Schoolboy goal to lose that is for sure.

[JimBHibees]

Wasn't too clever for thier 1st either. Didn't close the Dundee forward down quick enough but Obitas s*** clearance didn't help matters.

How can our defence actually be worse than last season? That's pretty much our entire defence plus the keeper lost us goals in every game this season so far due to stupid mistakes.

Think it was Cadden who let the guy at the edge of the box cut inside him so easily plus Tiffoney being totally unmarked was horrible

[Smartie]

Think it was Cadden who let the guy at the edge of the box cut inside him so easily plus Tiffoney being totally unmarked was horrible

They’re 2 atrocious goals defensively and it’s hard to pick which is worse.

The first though - it’s a tame first ball into an area where there are only Hibs players. Is it Newell who misses the header? Obita’s on his heels a bit and looked like he was assuming the header would be made. When it arrived at his feet, he couldn’t adjust well enough to either leave it, take a touch or clear properly.

It was terrible from a number of players. We can’t be losing goals from such initially tame situations.

[JohnM1875]

They’re 2 atrocious goals defensively and it’s hard to pick which is worse.

The first though - it’s a tame first ball into an area where there are only Hibs players. Is it Newell who misses the header? Obita’s on his heels a bit and looked like he was assuming the header would be made. When it arrived at his feet, he couldn’t adjust well enough to either leave it, take a touch or clear properly.

It was terrible from a number of players. We can’t be losing goals from such initially tame situations.

I can't believe how bad O’Hora was at the first goal. Their player just casually strolls past him. He has to be tackling the player there. Its embarrassing to watch.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

That was utterly depressing yesterday. The goals we lost were shocking. Such poor defending (even the offside one - so poorly defended). Bursic is poor. The only time he showed anything was when he had a set to with o'hora.

The defending is unforgivable. It's literally like a group of guys that have met for the first time for a kick about. Noone seems to know what they are meant to do. These are well paid professionals.

Newell is never a captain in a million years. We need a leader out there and it ain't him. We need someone to steady the ship and communicate on the park. I'm not seeing that.

I actually thought we'd get the 3 points playing ugly football. My heart sank when they scored.

Fans are becoming more and more disillusioned by what is happening at the club on and off the park. For Gray, you have to piss with the cock your given. Kensell seems to have interests away from the product on the pitch. 1 point from 9 when previously we would have expected at least 6.

[JimBHibees]

I can't believe how bad O’Hora was at the first goal. Their player just casually strolls past him. He has to be tackling the player there. Its embarrassing to watch.

Think that was Cadden

[ekhibee]

I can't believe how bad O’Hora was at the first goal. Their player just casually strolls past him. He has to be tackling the player there. Its embarrassing to watch.

Aren't you talking about the 2nd goal? O'Hora was solely to blame for that.

[Smartie]

Aren't you talking about the 2nd goal? O'Hora was solely to blame for that.

How did the positioning for the first goal come about? By that, I mean why is Newell missing the header in the LCB position and our left winger missing tackles on the edge of the box? Is there a good reason that we seem to be this out of kilter? I’ll need to watch the highlights again to see if there was something unusual much earlier in the build up.

As you say, the second goal was mainly on O’Hora, whose positioning and concentration were abysmal. I wonder if Bursik could have done any better, also Obita? Need to see it again though.

Maybe worth making the point that the maligned Ekpiteta had no role to play in either goal and actually played quite well.

[Tyler Durden]

Think that was Cadden

O’Hora was just as bad when you watch back

[Tyler Durden]

How did the positioning for the first goal come about? By that, I mean why is Newell missing the header in the LCB position and our left winger missing tackles on the edge of the box? Is there a good reason that we seem to be this out of kilter? I’ll need to watch the highlights again to see if there was something unusual much earlier in the build up.

As you say, the second goal was mainly on O’Hora, whose positioning and concentration were abysmal. I wonder if Bursik could have done any better, also Obita? Need to see it again though.

Maybe worth making the point that the maligned Ekpiteta had no role to play in either goal and actually played quite well.


Newell has tracked Cameron into the box. But Cameron then drops to the 18 yard line and Newell doesn’t follow. WOH has pointed to Newell to follow him but his efforts after that are terrible aswell. He could either go with Cameron himself (he can see him) or win the ball off him after Obitas awful clearance

I think Cadden again has done the right thing initially tracking his man and then just followed the ball. Of course he too could’ve done better

EDIT - not the first time this season that Newell tracks back but then just finds himself in no man’s land. I think he just can’t do much right at the moment and surely they must be considering leaving him out to see if we can find a better balance without him. He has no defensive instincts

[H18 SFR]

I can’t stop thinking about the corner we defended when we put three up at the half way line - two wide and Bowie in the middle.

First thing that struck me was Bowie is a physical presence - after the game we learned from McPartlin’s tweet of the manager explaining we hadn’t dealt with Dundee’s physical presence all day, so why weaken our defensive capabilities by removing one of not possibly our strongest player?

Second thing that struck me was all three went beyond the Dundee player marking them. The ‘first ball’ was likely to be a header, if we win that header there is no way it’s getting headed into the Dundee half. That means we have to win the first ball, and the second ball. For the second ball all our players are starting our goals side so it’s going to be hard for the second ball to go over the top to put our three attackers in on goal in a counter attack.


I have wracked my brains, I can’t think of any team doing this at a game I’ve been at or on TV, I’m talking thousands of games.

[B.H.F.C]

I can’t stop thinking about the corner we defended when we put three up at the half way line - two wide and Bowie in the middle.

First thing that struck me was Bowie is a physical presence - after the game we learned from McPartlin’s tweet of the manager explaining we hadn’t dealt with Dundee’s physical presence all day, so why weaken our defensive capabilities by removing one of not possibly our strongest player?

Second thing that struck me was all three went beyond the Dundee player marking them. The ‘first ball’ was likely to be a header, if we win that header there is no way it’s getting headed into the Dundee half. That means we have to win the first ball, and the second ball. For the second ball all our players are starting our goals side so it’s going to be hard for the second ball to go over the top to put our three attackers in on goal in a counter attack.


I have wracked my brains, I can’t think of any team doing this at a game I’ve been at or on TV, I’m talking thousands of games.

The whole thing was just us making it up as we went along. Bowie didn’t know what he was meant to be doing despite him and Cadden being sitting looking at the iPad for about 5 minutes before they came on.

Lack of leadership on the pitch and inexperience at the side doesn’t look a good combination at the moment. From what I’d seen in his various caretaker spells I thought Gray would have us organised and doing the basics if nothing else. We look even worse than before in that regard.

[K-Zazu]

Well im blaming the green shorts. First time we’ve worn green shorts since 2009/10 if I’m not mistaken? Just looks naff man.

[Smartie]

I can’t stop thinking about the corner we defended when we put three up at the half way line - two wide and Bowie in the middle.

First thing that struck me was Bowie is a physical presence - after the game we learned from McPartlin’s tweet of the manager explaining we hadn’t dealt with Dundee’s physical presence all day, so why weaken our defensive capabilities by removing one of not possibly our strongest player?

Second thing that struck me was all three went beyond the Dundee player marking them. The ‘first ball’ was likely to be a header, if we win that header there is no way it’s getting headed into the Dundee half. That means we have to win the first ball, and the second ball. For the second ball all our players are starting our goals side so it’s going to be hard for the second ball to go over the top to put our three attackers in on goal in a counter attack.


I have wracked my brains, I can’t think of any team doing this at a game I’ve been at or on TV, I’m talking thousands of games.

I remember years ago hearing someone from the great Liverpool team for the 80s talk about how they'd set up defensively for a corner.

Part of what they did was to leave 2 men up the park, and part of the reason for that was to distract the opposition from thinking so much about attacking from their own corner but being mindful of the threat that Liverpool potentially carried on the break.

Could it be something like that? Could we be positioning our players so Dundee position their players to be mindful of our counter-attacking potential into a position that makes them carry less of an attacking threat from their own set piece?

[Callum_62]

I can’t stop thinking about the corner we defended when we put three up at the half way line - two wide and Bowie in the middle.

First thing that struck me was Bowie is a physical presence - after the game we learned from McPartlin’s tweet of the manager explaining we hadn’t dealt with Dundee’s physical presence all day, so why weaken our defensive capabilities by removing one of not possibly our strongest player?

Second thing that struck me was all three went beyond the Dundee player marking them. The ‘first ball’ was likely to be a header, if we win that header there is no way it’s getting headed into the Dundee half. That means we have to win the first ball, and the second ball. For the second ball all our players are starting our goals side so it’s going to be hard for the second ball to go over the top to put our three attackers in on goal in a counter attack.


I have wracked my brains, I can’t think of any team doing this at a game I’ve been at or on TV, I’m talking thousands of games.We kept three up then a minute or so later at the next corner we had zero players up the park

So many details seem off - making it up as we go along seems pretty accurate to me

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[BoomtownHibees]

I remember years ago hearing someone from the great Liverpool team for the 80s talk about how they'd set up defensively for a corner.

Part of what they did was to leave 2 men up the park, and part of the reason for that was to distract the opposition from thinking so much about attacking from their own corner but being mindful of the threat that Liverpool potentially carried on the break.

Could it be something like that? Could we be positioning our players so Dundee position their players to be mindful of our counter-attacking potential into a position that makes them carry less of an attacking threat from their own set piece?

I liked the idea, it showed we had some sort of plan that had been thought about and maybe worked on. What I don’t get is when they got a corner straight from this one and we had all 11 men back in our box

[H18 SFR]

The whole thing was just us making it up as we went along. Bowie didn’t know what he was meant to be doing despite him and Cadden being sitting looking at the iPad for about 5 minutes before they came on.

Lack of leadership on the pitch and inexperience at the side doesn’t look a good combination at the moment. From what I’d seen in his various caretaker spells I thought Gray would have us organised and doing the basics if nothing else. We look even worse than before in that regard.

I have spent close to two hours researching this morning, I can’t find anything on it. I can only find information supporting it in Field Hockey. It’s a worry.

[H18 SFR]

I liked the idea, it showed we had some sort of plan that had been thought about and maybe worked on. What I don’t get is when they got a corner straight from this one and we had all 11 men back in our box

What is the plan though, to do something different than any other team in elite professional football or would a simpler plan be to defend the corner robustly and then counter as a team rather than relying on winning the first, second, possibly third ball before a pass over the top can be made. Let’s be honest, if it got the second ball challenge, a streetwise team that is well coached like Dundee would just foul anyway 70-80 yards from their own goal.

Why pursue something different when tried and tested works?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Let’s be honest, if it got the second ball challenge, a streetwise team that is well coached like Dundee would just foul anyway 70-80 yards from their own goal.

A favourite tactic of Levein when he was Hearts boss.

[H18 SFR]

A favourite tactic of Levein when he was Hearts boss.

And a solid one at that.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

And a solid one at that.

Streetwise as you say.

[Smartie]

In all fairness, did Boyle (?) not commit a similar one yesterday?

I was delighted to see it - harmless free kick somewhere near the halfway line and a yellow card instead of a dangerous break.

[BoomtownHibees]

In all fairness, did Boyle (?) not commit a similar one yesterday?

I was delighted to see it - harmless free kick somewhere near the halfway line and a yellow card instead of a dangerous break.

Boyles was silly. The Dundee boy was going nowhere out wide

[A Hi-Bee]

Having digested what was like a defeat for us when the ginger one strolled past our new centre half to nutmeg our new goalie, this was no great surprise, why did we not stay on the front foot and go for another goal.
I just knew we would not hold out and the sub of Rocky was pretty dumb even if he had sound reason to try it.
Once more leaving Easter Road feeling sort of cheated by Hibs.

[tonyrougier123]

What I take from yesterday is starting lineup up was wrong,had that feeling when I seen it.
When Dave Gray makes changes initially after being poor bringing on Bowie and Campbell that’s the team he should’ve started the game with.
Then he tries to change it again whilst we are the better team by changing the shape and does a Montgomery on us and it fails to see game out.
Yesterday was a game we should’ve and could’ve won with the right resilience by the coaching team to make the right decisions.
Defensive frailties fully hammering us aside.

[Docker]

What I take from yesterday is starting lineup up was wrong,had that feeling when I seen it.
When Dave Gray makes changes initially after being poor bringing on Bowie and Campbell that’s the team he should’ve started the game with.
Then he tries to change it again whilst we are the better team by changing the shape and does a Montgomery on us and it fails to see game out.
Yesterday was a game we should’ve and could’ve won with the right resilience by the coaching team to make the right decisions.
Defensive frailties fully hammering us aside.

I agree that the set-up was wrong yesterday. Despite hoping we will bring in some more, better players this week, I actually think we had way more than enough to beat Dundee yesterday. Two DM’s were not needed and a more aggressive opening formation should have been adopted. For me, the Rocky substitution changed the whole momentum of the game. I’m really hoping the coaching team adopt a more offensive formation for Kilmarnock.

[Trinity Hibee]

I agree that the set-up was wrong yesterday. Despite hoping we will bring in some more, better players this week, I actually think we had way more than enough to beat Dundee yesterday. Two DM’s were not needed and a more aggressive opening formation should have been adopted. For me, the Rocky substitution changed the whole momentum of the game. I’m really hoping the coaching team adopt a more offensive formation for Kilmarnock.

Killie will be off of a European match and are bottom of the league. If we can come out the traps flying and putting them under pressure then there is no helping this squad

[ancient hibee]

I have spent close to two hours researching this morning, I can’t find anything on it. I can only find information supporting it in Field Hockey. It’s a worry.


Think you wasted a couple of hours. It’s pretty obvious that Gray did that so that Dundee would move a couple of big guys back from our penalty area to halfway and that’s what happened.

[H18 SFR]

Think you wasted a couple of hours. It’s pretty obvious that Gray did that so that Dundee would move a couple of big guys back from our penalty area to halfway and that’s what happened.

Obvious indeed. Perhaps even more obvious 15 seconds later when they bombed it back into the box for the resulting corner? Back to tried and tested?

[GreenCastle]

What is the plan though, to do something different than any other team in elite professional football or would a simpler plan be to defend the corner robustly and then counter as a team rather than relying on winning the first, second, possibly third ball before a pass over the top can be made. Let’s be honest, if it got the second ball challenge, a streetwise team that is well coached like Dundee would just foul anyway 70-80 yards from their own goal.

Why pursue something different when tried and tested works?

Chelsea used to leave 3 up under Jose I think..

Basically the thinking is to get other team to leave 4 back and then less players in box to attack ball.

It’s not the worst idea but was just weird next corner weight everyone back - maybe different threat on that side of the pitch with a different corner delivery ? Who knows.

I think the players were trying to stretch the game going beyond the Dundee players - I guess if the Hibs keeper catches it and sends it long early the counter is possibly on.

The flipside is that if you leave 3 up - they leave 4 back and harder to counter properly as more players to beat and less space to attack into..and that’s why some teams bring all 11 back.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Chelsea used to leave 3 up under Jose I think..

Basically the thinking is to get other team to leave 4 back and then less players in box to attack ball.

It’s not the worst idea but was just weird next corner weight everyone back - maybe different threat on that side of the pitch with a different corner delivery ? Who knows.

I think the players were trying to stretch the game going beyond the Dundee players - I guess if the Hibs keeper catches it and sends it long early the counter is possibly on.

The flipside is that if you leave 3 up - they leave 4 back and harder to counter properly as more players to beat and less space to attack into..and that’s why some teams bring all 11 back.

Alex Miller lights years ahead of his time :)

[JimBHibees]

Obvious indeed. Perhaps even more obvious 15 seconds later when they bombed it back into the box for the resulting corner? Back to tried and tested?

Maybe they had studied Dundee corners and different ones from different sides or takers may have a different set up on that basis.