League Cup draw

[DIXIHIBS]

What if Hibs supporters aren't blaming sdg?

What if repercussions are 100% needed?

It's all about recruitment

Dundee & Hibs wanted Simon Murray

He bangs them in for Dundee while poor overpaid Dylan Vente can't score vs Kelty, Queens, Peterhead

Guess which team has momentum?

Supporters on here clearly are blaming SDG. What repercussions do you suggest exactly? I'm sure the club are trying to get new players in and offload others. I know fans see things differently but just feel people to calm it down a bit. We all want Hibs to turn things around but it ain't going to happen by late July.

[LaMotta]

How long does it go on though? Calling it meaningful still is actually debatable. Certainly boring now. But the result has happened. We know we haven’t replaced losing our best striker yet. That’s a big issue, but again, going on about one freak result (a term that I’ve seen some of our fans call other crap results for other teams, but not when it’s our own team, 🤔) constantly negatively … we do need to move on at some point … thank f SDG and his team did, and got a 4-0 next game. But hey, Hibs fans here do love to shoot even that down. omg It's obviously a topical and relevant discussion today because the cup draw has just taken place and the Kelty loss (only a week ago) affected the draw. Lets hope we aren't talking about it for too long because that will mean things are going well.

[CapitalGreen]

It's all about no9s really

Sign Simon Murray, win group undefeated, get seeded & home draw vs lower league team

Stick with DV, fire a costly blank, not seeded, end up with toughest possible draw

Simon Murray didn’t want to come to Hibs.

[TrinityHFC]

Was it the right call to do it in that game when we had the Watford game and what some of us thought was less a banana skin in Peterhead at home though ? .

We will never know. We can’t assume our ‘first 11’ would have won or that we would have avoided any injuries that could have derailed us later or that if we won we could have slipped up v Peterhead.

It is done, we learn and move on. Other than the posters here who think we should pretty much close the club down as a result….

[Callum_62]

To suggest Gray is under pressure if he loses the first game of the league season is one of the most laughable suggestions I've read on here, absolute guff.I don't agree with it but I can see the point

Lose away to st mirren is likely followed by 2 defeats to Celtic

Thats 3 losses in a row AND we lost to Kelty not long ago

That will be what is being said on here

Home to Simon Murray and Away to Killie pies after that....

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[cubehindthegoal]

I's obviously a topical and relevant discussion today because the cup draw has just taken place and the Kelty loss ( only a week ago) affected the draw. Lets hope we aren't talking about it for too long because that will mean things are going well.

Great. Not sure what it achieves here, but anyways … so at least another 6 days then 🙄 Heaven forbid we don’t start with a win in the league … yawn ..

[Heisenberg]

Was it the right call to do it in that game when we had the Watford game and what some of us thought was less a banana skin in Peterhead at home though ? .

We created enough chances but our forwards let us down, just like they did in the first half v Peterhead when we should’ve been further ahead. The blame lies firmly at the door of Vente, Boyle etc for not having the composure to take their chances against Kelty.

[LaMotta]

Great. Not sure what it achieves here, but anyways … so at least another 6 days then 🙄 Heaven forbid we don’t start with a win in the league … yawn ..Its a message board where people talk about Hibs and the good things and the bad things. I wouldn't let it affect you that much, but if you don't expect the Kelty result to be analysed today of all days then I don't think you have realistic expectations.

[andrew70]

What if Hibs supporters aren't blaming sdg?

What if repercussions are 100% needed?

It's all about recruitment

Dundee & Hibs wanted Simon Murray

He bangs them in for Dundee while poor overpaid Dylan Vente can't score vs Kelty, Queens, Peterhead

Guess which team has momentum?

Simon Murray doesn’t start for Hibs, not even in this squad.

[babahibs]

I don't agree with it but I can see the pointLose away to st mirren is likely followed by 2 defeats to CelticThats 3 losses in a row AND we lost to Kelty not long agoThat will be what is being said on here Home to Simon Murray and Away to Killie pies after that....Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkLooks like 12 points from 12 to me, easy.

[JohnM1875]

Do you think its a dereliction of duty on his part? Or do you think he just made a mistake? If its the former, i think youre being unduly harsh. If its the latter, i think you should consider whether its better to move on to focus on St Mirren and the Celtic games. Im sure thats what Gray is doing.

That's absolutely what Gray is and should be doing. He will have rightly turned his attention to the Watford and Peterhead games after the Kelty result. Doesn't mean the Kelty result wasn't costly. I don't see what I'm being harsh about expecting Hibs to beat Queens Park, Kelty, Elgin and Peterhead in competitive games though

I will be 100% honest, I was really surprised he made so many changes given all the chat since getting the job. What, six changes? In an away game on a plastic pitch was a weird one. Especially in a competition he'll know as well as anyone.

I don't think for a second Gray is or will be under pressure anytime soon by the way. I was as happy as anyone he got the job and there isn't anyone I want to succeed in the job more. But just because I love the man doesn't mean I won't call out what I think was a mistake on his part.

[cubehindthegoal]

Its a message board where people talk about Hibs and the good things and the bad things. I wouldn't let it affect you that much, but if you don't expect the Kelty result to be analysed today of all days then I don't think you have realistic expectations.

I don’t think there’s much realism on show here tbh, so I think I’ll be fine. Thanks for the advice though 👍 You did say you hope we aren't talking about it for too much longer because that will mean things are going well. But … we don’t play for another six days … so “today of all days” doesn’t mean one day then does it ? If it’s done to death (again) today, then fine.

[Wilson]

Was it the right call to do it in that game when we had the Watford game and what some of us thought was less a banana skin in Peterhead at home though ? .

It was absolutely the right call. We had enough to beat them. We should have expected to beat them. Gray would have hoped he could trust the players he put out to get the job done. That they didn't is the disappointment. Not the call.

[Carheenlea]

To suggest Gray is under pressure if he loses the first game of the league season is one of the most laughable suggestions I've read on here, absolute guff.

Our board doesn’t have a reputation for long termism with managers.

David Gray will have a lot of goodwill from the support, and will be afforded more goodwill given the squad he’s having to work with.

Will he receive the same goodwill from the boardroom? I have my doubts.

I actually think he’ll do just fine, and will do well with what he has to work with. The Celtic games back to back will be an early tough challenge, and while there was once a time not so long ago we would be confident of winning such games, that’s not so much the case right now, and the fans won’t really be judging Gray on those matches.

[TelaStella]

Simon Murray doesn’t start for Hibs, not even in this squad.

If by that you mean he signs to play behind Vente then I’m glad he never did came back


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[andrew70]

If by that you mean he signs to play behind Vente then I’m glad he never did came back


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100% Vente starts before Simon Murray.

[greenlex]

It was absolutely the right call. We had enough to beat them. We should have expected to beat them. Gray would have hoped he could trust the players he put out to get the job done. That they didn't is the disappointment. Not the call.It wasn’t.

[Hiber-nation]

To suggest Gray is under pressure if he loses the first game of the league season is one of the most laughable suggestions I've read on here, absolute guff.

Correct, beyond belief how anyone could hold that opinion. He's done well with what he's got.

[TelaStella]

100% Vente starts before Simon Murray.

Really can’t buy that sorry. For the record I don’t think Murray is the final answer here either but he’s shown far more to merit a start than vente has, going back to last season to today. Hope DV can prove you right.


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[Victor]

Losing to Kelty gives SDG the ability to go to MM and the board and tell them that the squad is not strong enough. If we had won all our games, got seeded and drew Spartans in the next round it would be a lot harder to tell them we need to strengthen the squad. So perhaps losing to Kelty might be a good result in the longrun!


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[cubehindthegoal]

It was absolutely the right call. We had enough to beat them. We should have expected to beat them. Gray would have hoped he could trust the players he put out to get the job done. That they didn't is the disappointment. Not the call.

He was proven wrong by the result perhaps, but he made a call, and crucially learned from it the next game … he can’t trust much beyond his starting eleven to actually start games, at the moment. And he won the next game 4-0.

Monty used to be ripped apart when perceived as not learning and changing things next match.. and now SDG is not congratulated for learning and changing things next match.

Some folk here are relentlessly negative, and then ignore things happening that actually meet their previous negative calls, finding new negatives instead. Endless … yawn.

[LaMotta]

I don’t think there’s much realism on show here tbh, so I think I’ll be fine. Thanks for the advice though 👍 You did say you hope we aren't talking about it for too much longer because that will mean things are going well. But … we don’t play for another six days … so “today of all days” doesn’t mean one day then does it ? If it’s done to death (again) today, then fine.I imagine the chat will die down later tonight/tomorrow morning, so I think you can relax. If we get pumped by Celtic in the cup then brace yourself for it to be raised again at that point.

[Unseen work]

Genuinely not bothered at all by drawing them.

If we never got Celtic, Rangers or hearts this round we would have to played them at some stage.

Go get the win boys.

Tell me, how did Celtic do against Kilmarnock in the league cup last year?

[JohnM1875]

Genuinely not bothered at all by drawing them.If we never got Celtic, Rangers or hearts this round we would have to played them at some stage.Go get the win boys. Tell me, how did Celtic do against Kilmarnock in the league cup last year?Wasn't at Parkhead but I get your point.

[eezyrider]

Full Draw -


Scottish League Cup draw

Celtic v Hibernian

Dundee United v St Mirren

Aberdeen v Queen’s Park

Falkirk v Heart of Midlothian

Dundee v Airdrieonians

Motherwell v Kilmarnock

Rangers v St Johnstone

The Spartans v Ross County

EZ

[Carheenlea]

Losing to Kelty gives SDG the ability to go to MM and the board and tell them that the squad is not strong enough. If we had won all our games, got seeded and drew Spartans in the next round it would be a lot harder to tell them we need to strengthen the squad. So perhaps losing to Kelty might be a good result in the longrun!


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I’d be disappointed if MM hasn’t already informed them before the Kelty debacle that we need to improve the squad as a matter of urgency.

He is after all the director of football and effectively in charge of the whole operation of the football side of things.

[cubehindthegoal]

I imagine the chat will die down later tonight/tomorrow morning, so I think you can relax. If we get pumped by Celtic in the cup then brace yourself for it to be raised again at that point.

I’m relaxed lol.

[Victor]

I’d be disappointed if MM hasn’t already informed them before the Kelty debacle that we need to improve the squad as a matter of urgency.

He is after all the director of football and effectively in charge of the whole operation of the football side of things.

Yes, but a bit hard to prove if you win all your games! Especially if they are counting the pennies. Gold back scratchers don’t come cheap.

[A Hi-Bee]

SDG was saying that his job was to get them out of the group-He done that he says, who we get in the draw, is another result of decisions that have been made and now regretted.We did beat them back in 1972 to win the cup, but we did have a great team, this team meh.

[cubehindthegoal]

Genuinely not bothered at all by drawing them.

If we never got Celtic, Rangers or hearts this round we would have to played them at some stage.

Go get the win boys.

Tell me, how did Celtic do against Kilmarnock in the league cup last year?

Most teams will be knocked out by Celtic in most Cups at some point. I like the idea of having a go now.

[A Hi-Bee]

Most teams will be knocked out by Celtic in most Cups at some point. I like the idea of having a go now.Aye better to get it out of the way early.Heard something similar before?

[cubehindthegoal]

Aye better to get it out of the way early.Heard something similar before?

Yeh. Way I see it is we qualified with one dodgy result in 4, other three were a breeze. Could be worse. And that is without getting all the players in we need yet. We have managed to get a few out though, which I was worried wouldn’t happen so quick. And we still have the transfer window ongoing. And hey, the league matches beckon and a cup tie against Celtic … if you’re a Hibs and football fan, esp of a certain age (like me lol) you’ll have had things much worse.

[Onion]

SDG was saying that his job was to get them out of the group-He done that he says, who we get in the draw, is another result of decisions that have been made and now regretted.We did beat them back in 1972 to win the cup, but we did have a great team, this team meh.

This latest bunch and the team of 1972 in the same sentence. A different universe.

[Onion]

Aye better to get it out of the way early.Heard something similar before?

Butcheresk. Good to get the Celtic defeat out of the way early in the competition.

Bit fed up of the number of times we've done the OF for the benefit of others, just so they could eat our lunch.

[Alfred E Newman]

Most teams will be knocked out by Celtic in most Cups at some point. I like the idea of having a go now.

Getting knocked out early will take away the fear of getting knocked out early.

[B.H.F.C]

I’d be disappointed if MM hasn’t already informed them before the Kelty debacle that we need to improve the squad as a matter of urgency.

He is after all the director of football and effectively in charge of the whole operation of the football side of things.

Correct. Whatever it is that has prevented us improving the squad to date, it won’t be MM or SDG thinking the squad is good and there is no urgency to improve.

[LaMotta]

Butcheresk. Good to get the Celtic defeat out of the way early in the competition. Bit fed up of the number of times we've done the OF for the benefit of others, just so they could eat our lunch.Aye much better to lose to Celtic now rather than later in the competition and deny ourselves valuable ticket revenue and prize money. Crazy eh?

[cubehindthegoal]

Getting knocked out early will take away the fear of getting knocked out early.

Knocked out later just prolongs the fear lol.

I can’t be ar**d worrying about it. Better to enjoy the matches, that’s why I go to football, why I’ve supported Hibs 60 years … hmm … enjoyment … being a Hibs fan for 60 years … hang on … did I say that … 😂

[Onion]

Correct. Whatever it is that has prevented us improving the squad to date, it won’t be MM or SDG thinking the squad is good and there is no urgency to improve.

If they were in any doubt, SDG and MM now know what hand they've been dealt. Good luck with that.

[cubehindthegoal]

Aye much better to lose to Celtic now rather than later in the competition and deny ourselves valuable ticket revenue and prize money. Crazy eh?

The way our own fans talk of us, we wouldn’t have any hope against the other lower seeds anyway. Who cares .. we have football matches coming up that I look forward to … does anyone else here ? Just wonderin’ … I see some who maybe do, thank goodness.

[Onion]

Aye much better to lose to Celtic now rather than later in the competition and deny ourselves valuable ticket revenue and prize money. Crazy eh?

Doubt the crowds Hibs get for LC games cover the overheads, so good business outcome.

[A Hi-Bee]

Knocked out later just prolongs the fear lol.I can’t be ar**d worrying about it. Better to enjoy the matches, that’s why I go to football, why I’ve supported Hibs 60 years … hmm … enjoyment … being a Hibs fan for 60 years … hang on … did I say that … 😂I first went to games early 1960's, enjoyment would be a strong word to use over many of them years, some great games and some great times, but we really should be doing better.

[ChuckNor]

Team selection vs Kelty wasn’t what cost us. The chances missed by Vente and others were. Hibs done more than enough to win that match.

[gbhibby]

Is what it is. Might speed up new signings coming in.Will just have to beat them two weeks in a row.

[GreenCastle]

Genuinely not bothered at all by drawing them.

If we never got Celtic, Rangers or hearts this round we would have to played them at some stage.

Go get the win boys.

Tell me, how did Celtic do against Kilmarnock in the league cup last year?

Playing at Rugby Park much easier than Celtic Park where we haven’t won since 2010.

Last few games at Celtic Park

4-1 Celtic
3-1 Celtic
6-1 Celtic

[TrinityHFC]

Team selection vs Kelty wasn’t what cost us. The chances missed by Vente and others were. Hibs done more than enough to win that match.

Yep. You have posters on here who think everyone connected with the club are useless but somehow now they have huge faith in the handful of players who didn’t start.

[cubehindthegoal]

I first went to games early 1960's, enjoyment would be a strong word to use over many of them years, some great games and some great times, but we really should be doing better.

True. We should’ve been doing better 40 odd years ago, but it was abysmal then … much worse than now I feel … and the “new firm” were amazing back then … felt crap not to be competing with that.

At the moment there is some promise of better things. We don’t know how it will pan out yet. But we do have to let it do so … if it doesn’t improve, as we have been lead to believe, thens the time to moan relentlessly. We don’t yet know the reality of what’s ahead … but we will this year and next, so let’s get behind the team meantime ? That would be good, especially at home matches we could do better too, as “supporters”.

[GreenCastle]

Team selection vs Kelty wasn’t what cost us. The chances missed by Vente and others were. Hibs done more than enough to win that match.

It’s not black or white why we lost to Kelty.

We lost because the manager / staff thought it would be good to rotate as hopefully an easier game than Elgin and Queens Park. The sport science would say playing 2 games in 4 days (with 1 being 3 hours away) with same players probably wasn’t wise.

Recruitment was part at fault - we played 2 new players -including a keeper who hasn’t played since season 2020/2021.

Players also - created chances but also technique poor to finish.

[LaMotta]

Doubt the crowds Hibs get for LC games cover the overheads, so good business outcome.Assuming Celtic beat us (which of course they might not) we'd be looking at lost prize money of almost £100k compared to last years league cup finish. That's not even taking ticket sales into account.

[seanshow]

Last cup draw non neutral venue/ replay @ celtic.


1988-02-21: Celtic 0-0 Hibernian, Scottish Cup 4th Rd

Celtic:
Bonner, Morris, Rogan, Aitken, McCarthy, Baillie, Miller, McStay, McAvennie, McGhee, Grant.

Hibernian:
Goram, Sneddon, Mitchell, May, Rae, Hunter, Weir, Orr, Kane, Collins, Evans.

Referee: R.B. Valentine
Attendance: 30,537

Who was there?

[LaMotta]

The way our own fans talk of us, we wouldn’t have any hope against the other lower seeds anyway. Who cares .. we have football matches coming up that I look forward to … does anyone else here ? Just wonderin’ … I see some who maybe do, thank goodness.There were fans who (quite rightly as it turns out) pointed out before the game that they were nervous about the team that was picked for that game. You dismissed their concerns out of hand. Realism is always a better course of action than extreme optimism.

[Iain G]

It's all about no9s really

Sign Simon Murray, win group undefeated, get seeded & home draw vs lower league team

Stick with DV, fire a costly blank, not seeded, end up with toughest possible draw

Simon Murray is hardly Gianluca Vialli! This is all conjecture.

[Iain G]

Don't worry, we will have another manager chased out the door in no time.

The case for the prosecution is building already it seems

[B.H.F.C]

Assuming Celtic beat us (which of course they might not) we'd be looking at lost prize money of almost £100k compared to last years league cup finish. That's not even taking ticket sales into account.

From a money perspective, at least we’ll get our share of a sizeable crowd at Parkhead, even if it’s not a sell out.

The obvious hope is that we actually win the game, unlikely as it is. Suppose the one thing that increases your chances is that you don’t actually need to win the game itself. Draw and pens will do. Easy as that.

One thing for sure. We’ll know in the next 2-3 weeks if the new goalie and centre halves are an improvement.

[Since452]

If we're going to beat Celtic at Celtic Park then midweek in the early stages of the League Cup in front of a small crowd is probably it.

[K-Zazu]

If we're going to beat Celtic at Celtic Park then midweek in the early stages of the League Cup in front of a small crowd is probably it.

Think it’s a weekend game?

[B.H.F.C]

If we're going to beat Celtic at Celtic Park then midweek in the early stages of the League Cup in front of a small crowd is probably it.

It’s not during the week.

[Rumble de Thump]

There were fans who (quite rightly as it turns out) pointed out before the game that they were nervous about the team that was picked for that game. You dismissed their concerns out of hand. Realism is always a better course of action than extreme optimism.

It's an odd one. Quite a few fans have repeatedly come out with the same patter. The team that was selected completely dominated the game and created plenty of chances. We had numerous near misses. Ultimately, the game was lost but not because of the team selection.

[Donegal Hibby]

Team selection vs Kelty wasn’t what cost us. The chances missed by Vente and others were. Hibs done more than enough to win that match.

We didn't though while other teams like Aberdeen didn't feel the need to go making so many changes and concentrated on winning their group first . The cups are important to fans as well as to the club financially .

Today's draw reflects the different approaches us and Aberdeen's took to the league cup group games sadly.😞

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's an odd one. Quite a few fans have repeatedly come out with the same patter. The team that was selected completely dominated the game and created plenty of chances. We had numerous near misses. Ultimately, the game was lost but not because of the team selection.

whilst we created plenty chances, we’d likely have created even more and potentially been more clinical with a stronger team out.

[cubehindthegoal]

There were fans who (quite rightly as it turns out) pointed out before the game that they were nervous about the team that was picked for that game. You dismissed their concerns out of hand. Realism is always a better course of action than extreme optimism.

I didn’t dismiss “out of hand”, I did back the choice of the manager, his reasoning, and I also thought it was reasonable to trust his judgement .. he himself has altered that judgment (mine was simply an opinion, I’m not the manager lol) … and has had success from that alteration, which again I agreed with (and said beforehand I thought he would do).

I would dispute SDG or myself were extreme optimists. I do see the reality of what he has to work with, and the tough decisions he has to make with the limits of the squad as it stands at the moment. However, there are many on this board who seem out of touch with that reality.

[LaMotta]

From a money perspective, at least we’ll get our share of a sizeable crowd at Parkhead, even if it’s not a sell out. The obvious hope is that we actually win the game, unlikely as it is. Suppose the one thing that increases your chances is that you don’t actually need to win the game itself. Draw and pens will do. Easy as that.Hibs get roughly 40% of the gate once costs have been deducted. They got 40k odd v Hearts in the same stage a few years back, so you are right we should get a decent whack to be fair.Celtic's preseason start has looked a bit ominous but you never know......

[Hermit Crab]

The aggregate score over both games v them next month will be double figures. We will be embarrassed big time.

[cubehindthegoal]

The aggregate score over both games v them next month will be double figures. We will be embarrassed big time.

Nothing new there then.

[LaMotta]

It's an odd one. Quite a few fans have repeatedly come out with the same patter. The team that was selected completely dominated the game and created plenty of chances. We had numerous near misses. Ultimately, the game was lost but not because of the team selection.The patter that replacing 6 players from our starting eleven had no impact on the final outcome is astonishing to me. We had twice as many shots at goal v a far better Queens Park team the week before. Just because the players missed a few chances doesn't mean the team selection was correct.

[SteveHFC]

When was the last time we played Celtic away in a cup match?

[MartinfaePorty]

The aggregate score over both games v them next month will be double figures. We will be embarrassed big time.

Our results last season against them were 0-0 (H); 1-4 (A); 1-2 (H). Are we that much worse than last season or are they much better? I don't expect to win, but I don't expect the gap to be c.5 goals per game.

[Hermit Crab]

Nothing new there then.Nope, business as usual for Celtic, last season the agg score in the 3 games v them was 6-2 to Celtic with a 0-0 draw in there as well.

[ChuckNor]

We didn't though while other teams like Aberdeen didn't feel the need to go making so many changes and concentrated on winning their group first . The cups are important to fans as well as to the club financially .

Today's draw reflects the different approaches us and Aberdeen's took to the league cup group games sadly.😞


What player thats started randomly was poor against Kelty? The only player that I felt cost us was Dylan Vente, and he would’ve been in most people’s strongest 11. (Also thought Amos was poor, and Campbell when he came on)

[cubehindthegoal]

From a money perspective, at least we’ll get our share of a sizeable crowd at Parkhead, even if it’s not a sell out.

The obvious hope is that we actually win the game, unlikely as it is. Suppose the one thing that increases your chances is that you don’t actually need to win the game itself. Draw and pens will do. Easy as that.

One thing for sure. We’ll know in the next 2-3 weeks if the new goalie and centre halves are an improvement.

They have looked good so far against weaker opposition (friendlies aside), and they haven’t played long together, but you’re right. I think we’ll see next Saturday the hardest test yet.

The money talk here is interesting … usually I see people knocking our club for doing too much to increase revenue in the future eg stadium developments etc … and not enough of that in the team investment … yet, we see close analysis of the money we will or won’t make in cup ties also here …

Seriously. And I don’t mean your post, I know you were replying to a post.

[Hermit Crab]

Our results last season against them were 0-0 (H); 1-4 (A); 1-2 (H). Are we that much worse than last season or are they much better? I don't expect to win, but I don't expect the gap to be c.5 goals per game.I know its only friendly games but Celtic look decent in pre season, they are so fast at attacking, we can't live with pace coming at us, nor can we defend cross balls. Another thing that screws us in games v the OF, we nearly always concede a goal in the first 10-20 minutes. So frustrating.

[cubehindthegoal]

Nope, business as usual for Celtic, last season the agg score in the 3 games v them was 6-2 to Celtic with a 0-0 draw in there as well.

Fair enough. I was thinking over the years, seen that. Get you now, you thinking it’ll be back to the 6-1 etc ?

[B.H.F.C]

The patter that replacing 6 players from our starting eleven had no impact on the final outcome is astonishing to me. We had twice as many shots at goal v a far better Queens Park team the week before. Just because the players missed a few chances doesn't mean the team selection was correct.

Agree. We just happened to win by a minimum of four goals in the other three games where we kept a pretty consistent line up.

It was a bit of a freak result and the players are obviously to blame, but so is the guy that picked a number of them. Folk talk about the missed chances but I thought the goal we conceded was a bigger indication of the sloppiness that comes from the changes made, something that hasn’t really looked like happening in the other games.

[hibsbollah]

I know its only friendly games but Celtic look decent in pre season, they are so fast at attacking, we can't live with pace coming at us, nor can we defend cross balls. Another thing that screws us in games v the OF, we nearly always concede a goal in the first 10-20 minutes. So frustrating.

Thanks for the heads up, i was going to head through but now i will save myself the bother :aok:

[Crab apple]

Agree. We just happened to win by a minimum of four goals in the other three games where we kept a pretty consistent line up.

It was a bit of a freak result and the players are obviously to blame, but so is the guy that picked a number of them. Folk talk about the missed chances but I thought the goal we conceded was a bigger indication of the sloppiness that comes from the changes made, something that hasn’t really looked like happening in the other games.

Spot on. I'd also add that starting Amos and Levitt together in midfield in that game was a recipe for disaster.

[Gatecrasher]

The reaction to this cup draw man 🤭

[cubehindthegoal]

I know its only friendly games but Celtic look decent in pre season, they are so fast at attacking, we can't live with pace coming at us, nor can we defend cross balls. Another thing that screws us in games v the OF, we nearly always concede a goal in the first 10-20 minutes. So frustrating.

Yeh you’re right about Celtic. SDG couldn’t get a harder challenge … I hope he finds the right way to combat it. But who knows …

[cubehindthegoal]

The reaction to this cup draw man 🤭

I’m tired trying to show our positives here tbh. Oh to be .. 🙄 … used to feel that, but it’s not the team or club that makes it harder now … it’s some of “our” fans.

Edit.. and I know … it’s a forum .. but jeez .. is there any positivity to be found here? Amongst “my own”.

Sorry: just tiring. I’m too old obv.

[Gatecrasher]

I’m tired trying to show our positives here tbh. Oh to be .. 🙄 … used to feel that, but it’s not the team or club that makes it harder now … it’s some of “our” fans. You be you, be positive. If they want to be negative, let them.

[micksoo]

Hibs get roughly 40% of the gate once costs have been deducted. They got 40k odd v Hearts in the same stage a few years back, so you are right we should get a decent whack to be fair.Celtic's preseason start has looked a bit ominous but you never know......

Home team get 15% then remainder is shared equally so 42.5% of the gate. Hibs will do well financially out of this draw.

[LaMotta]

Home team get 15% then remainder is shared equally so 42.5% of the gate. Hibs will do well financially out of this draw.I think that's roughly what I just said :)

[JohnM1875]

Home team get 15% then remainder is shared equally so 42.5% of the gate. Hibs will do well financially out of this draw.Class, when's the parade?

[micksoo]

Class, when's the parade?

I’m not celebrating it in any way just pointing out that if we happened to lose to Celtic it probably won’t have much impact on ‘the budget’.

[hibsbollah]

Class, when's the parade?

You’re getting the hang of the positivity now, nice one :aok:

[cubehindthegoal]

You be you, be positive. If they want to be negative, let them.

I am, and will, and thanks for that.

No doubt I’m a happy clapper, for trying to support my team, while being realistic about the fact we are Hibs … not the teams from glasgow … and probably a snowflake for thinking big T in the US is a mysoginistic predatory repulsive idiot .. and so on … but hey, that’s me. People like to judge. But I’m f’ed if I am going to apologise for that. I’m not bad 😊

[micksoo]

I think that's roughly what I just said :)

👍

[DIXIHIBS]

I’m tired trying to show our positives here tbh. Oh to be .. 🙄 … used to feel that, but it’s not the team or club that makes it harder now … it’s some of “our” fans.

Edit.. and I know … it’s a forum .. but jeez .. is there any positivity to be found here? Amongst “my own”.

Sorry: just tiring. I’m too old obv.

Talk to fans out with this forum and you will hear a very different take on things. The negativity on here is off the scale but thankfully not particularly representative of the overall support.

[Donegal Hibby]

What player thats started randomly was poor against Kelty? The only player that I felt cost us was Dylan Vente, and he would’ve been in most people’s strongest 11. (Also thought Amos was poor, and Campbell when he came on)

Megwa was one , a RB playing at LB when we already had a 18 year old playing on that side . Our midfield pairing of Amos and Levitt who I think normally play deep was also poor . Didn't see the point in changing a winning team so drastically with 5 outfield changes , Aberdeen made 2 , one of which was forced on them due to a suspension.

Anyhow it's done now though the Celtic cup tie should have been avoided IMO .

[MWHIBBIES]

The aggregate score over both games v them next month will be double figures. We will be embarrassed big time.

How much would you like to bet it isn't double figures?

We will give them 2 difficult games. We gave them very tough games at ER last season.

[Real Emerald]

Talk to fans out with this forum and you will hear a very different take on things. The negativity on here is off the scale but thankfully not particularly representative of the overall support.

That is absolute nonsense. The majority of Hibs fans I know and have known for 50 years have never been less positive about what’s going on just now. Nothing to do with views on here which do represent the support. Ridiculous comment.

[One Day Soon]

That is absolute nonsense. The majority of Hibs fans I know and have known for 50 years have never been less positive about what’s going on just now. Nothing to do with views on here which do represent the support. Ridiculous comment.

I'm actually beginning to believe there are as many undercover 'friends of the owners' posting on here as there are undercover Hearts fuds.

[blackpoolhibs]

Losing to Kelty gives SDG the ability to go to MM and the board and tell them that the squad is not strong enough. If we had won all our games, got seeded and drew Spartans in the next round it would be a lot harder to tell them we need to strengthen the squad. So perhaps losing to Kelty might be a good result in the longrun!Sent from my iPad using TapatalkNonsence, aparently we should have won all 4 games with the under 12s, the defeat was just down to a bad day in front of goal and everything is all tickety boo.

[DIXIHIBS]

No it's not absolute nonsense. Majority of fans I speak to are nowhere near the negativity on here. Nobody is saying things are rosy in the garden but a wee look on this forum and it's unbelievable. Most fans I speak to won't even come on here coz it's so bad (at times).

[Cammy]

We won't be cutting any O F allocations this season!For all those who think SDG did nowt wrong with his team selection v Kelty, would they be so passive if LJ, Maloney or Monty did the same with the same outcome? Happy Clappers need not answer as I know what yer response is.

I think it would be very difficult for the board to backtrack. Allocations will be cut regardless.

[Cammy]

Genuinely not bothered at all by drawing them.

If we never got Celtic, Rangers or hearts this round we would have to played them at some stage.

Go get the win boys.

Tell me, how did Celtic do against Kilmarnock in the league cup last year?

Absolutely, far too much bed wetting going on .

[Cammy]

Assuming Celtic beat us (which of course they might not) we'd be looking at lost prize money of almost £100k compared to last years league cup finish. That's not even taking ticket sales into account.

Do we not get a share of gate receipts from Parkhead?

[cubehindthegoal]

Talk to fans out with this forum and you will hear a very different take on things. The negativity on here is off the scale but thankfully not particularly representative of the overall support.

Appreciate that. And I know. Life sometimes makes things hard to find those opportunities though mate. Thought this might be a positive experience .. lol

[cubehindthegoal]

Absolutely, far too much bed wetting going on .

Apparently we can’t do 👍 here ..

so 👍😊

[Cammy]

The patter that replacing 6 players from our starting eleven had no impact on the final outcome is astonishing to me. We had twice as many shots at goal v a far better Queens Park team the week before. Just because the players missed a few chances doesn't mean the team selection was correct.

I wouldn’t dispute that the team selection didn’t have an impact, however playing away from home on a **** plastic pitch probably impacted more than any selection. We should still have won with the team selected but didn’t, sometimes that’s just football.

[CentreLine]

Home team get 15% then remainder is shared equally so 42.5% of the gate. Hibs will do well financially out of this draw.

My god! I hope we have not got to the stage that we are happy with the crumbs from a cup run. If we are then things are beyond desperate. Can’t we just go there and stuff them in their own back yard?

[cubehindthegoal]

I wouldn’t dispute that the team selection didn’t have an impact, however playing away from home on a **** plastic pitch probably impacted more than any selection. We should still have won with the team selected but didn’t, sometimes that’s just football.

.. and our manager changed it next game … well done .. who has actually said that here .. has any Hibs fan here actually said, well done SDG .. you fixed it .. we’re with you for doing so .. it’ll not be plain sailing, but we’re here behind you..


I am. See you Saturday Hibs fans 😊

[SaulGoodman]

Wow. This thread 😂😂

[Hibees1973]

Gate receipts 😀 as Lou Reed said. You're gonna reep just what you sowed. This is all on this team selection at Kelty and we have paid for it big time.

[JohnM1875]

You’re getting the hang of the positivity now, nice one :aok:

Is there anything positive being drawn away to Celtic in a cup game? Glasgow city centre is decent I suppose.

[JohnM1875]

I’m not celebrating it in any way just pointing out that if we happened to lose to Celtic it probably won’t have much impact on ‘the budget’.

Fair enough, sorry 👍

[cubehindthegoal]

Gate receipts 😀 as Lou Reed said. You're gonna reep just what you sowed. This is all on this team selection at Kelty and we have paid for it big time.

I hope we “reep” genuine fans. Fingers crossed. GGTTH 😊

[Cammy]

How much would you like to bet it isn't double figures?

We will give them 2 difficult games. We gave them very tough games at ER last season.

Gray also set us up very well against them at Hampden.

[cubehindthegoal]

Wow. This thread 😂😂

Sorry if I’m making it a bad thread. I’m so tired and … it’s only chat .. you know … why is it so negative? Pass 60 and it tires you .. that’ll be it. But .. I care about my club. So .. when I’ve got the energy, I’ll be here lol

Sorry to youse that I disagree with .. but I won’t give up about Hibs 😊

[cubehindthegoal]

That is absolute nonsense. The majority of Hibs fans I know and have known for 50 years have never been less positive about what’s going on just now. Nothing to do with views on here which do represent the support. Ridiculous comment.

I was way less positive in the 80s. Weren’t you ?

[Real Emerald]

No it's not absolute nonsense. Majority of fans I speak to are nowhere near the negativity on here. Nobody is saying things are rosy in the garden but a wee look on this forum and it's unbelievable. Most fans I speak to won't even come on here coz it's so bad (at times).

So why is there worryingly dropping attendances, that’s the real measure and undeniable which is a damaging downward spiral. We’re actually now looking at top six as an achievement FFS. Delusional

[cubehindthegoal]

No it's not absolute nonsense. Majority of fans I speak to are nowhere near the negativity on here. Nobody is saying things are rosy in the garden but a wee look on this forum and it's unbelievable. Most fans I speak to won't even come on here coz it's so bad (at times).

I understand that. Good to have some reality visit here. Hope others are listening too 👍GGTTH

[hibsbollah]

Is there anything positive being drawn away to Celtic in a cup game? Glasgow city centre is decent I suppose.

I’n looking forward to it. It’s up to others how they feel about it. One thing I know for sure, drawing Celtic and not Ross County today had nothing to do with Grays decision to rotate the squad for the Kelty game. And we might beat Celtic, and in an alternate universe (like lc final 2016) have lost to Ross County regardless!

[LunasBoots]

No it's not absolute nonsense. Majority of fans I speak to are nowhere near the negativity on here. Nobody is saying things are rosy in the garden but a wee look on this forum and it's unbelievable. Most fans I speak to won't even come on here coz it's so bad (at times).

The drastic drop in attendance and ST sales says there is a problem and alot of fans have had enough

[JohnM1875]

I’n looking forward to it. It’s up to others how they feel about it. One thing I know for sure, drawing Celtic and not Ross County today had nothing to do with Grays decision to rotate the squad for the Kelty game. And we might beat Celtic, and in an alternate universe (like lc final 2016) have lost to Ross County regardless!And now you have me thinking about the 15/16 League Cup final. Talk about kicking a man when he's down!

[cubehindthegoal]

Absolutely, far too much bed wetting going on .

I agree … but bed wetting .. happy clapper … it’s all so American slurring … nonsense … can’t we drop all that crap boring unintelligent name calling here … we don’t have to drop back into the primary school playground .. can’t we move on and up ? And I don’t mean you particularly, don’t get me wrong .. just the general crap here … it’s not “oh it’s ok it’s football chat” … I get that and have been brought up in that in Edinburgh … what I see here, is some people not thinking before they speak … to friends (apparently). Fellow Hibs fans.

[Ringothedog]

The drastic drop in attendance and ST sales says there is a problem and alot of fans have had enough

How many ST’s have we sold?

[cubehindthegoal]

Gate receipts 😀 as Lou Reed said. You're gonna reep just what you sowed. This is all on this team selection at Kelty and we have paid for it big time.

So have you told SDG that to his face. Listen to Lou Reed .. as that’s why he wrote that song .. for you.

Jeezo.

[Wilson]

whilst we created plenty chances, we’d likely have created even more and potentially been more clinical with a stronger team out.

And then you come back to the real point. IT WAS ONLY KELTY. That is the stick folk use to justify their anger at the result. Is it the same stick they beat Gray with for changing the team?

It is a squad game. Gray used the squad. The squad should stand up against Kelty.

[JohnM1875]

And then you come back to the real point. IT WAS ONLY KELTY. That is the stick folk use to justify their anger at the result. is the same stick they beat Gray with for changing the team.

It is a squad game. Gray used the squad. The squad should stand up against Kelty.

If you were to ask Gray who was to blame who do you think he'd say?

[cubehindthegoal]

The drastic drop in attendance and ST sales says there is a problem and alot of fans have had enough

It’s been way lower before, I’ve stood fairly alone on the terrace at Easter Road. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be better .. I thought that then and I think that now and always will. That’s part of being a Hibee for life 😊

[cubehindthegoal]

So why is there worryingly dropping attendances, that’s the real measure and undeniable which is a damaging downward spiral. We’re actually now looking at top six as an achievement FFS. Delusional

Only delusional if you aren’t a Hibs fan surely ? Or am I mistaken. it’s a bit over the top, no? Are you a young Hibs fan perhaps ? I’ve seen attendances drop less at Ibrox and Parkhead and s*i*e cassl … was that the real measure too ? Just calm .. that’s my message to true fans … but .. I’m guessing they know that already 😉

[Wilson]

If you were to ask Gray who was to blame who do you think he'd say?

What are you really asking? Where the buck stops?:I don't know what Gray would say and won't presume to guess. I expect he had some harsh words for a team that didn't perform on the day.

[JohnM1875]

What are you really asking? Where the buck stops?:I don't know what Gray would say and won't presume to guess. I expect he had some harsh words for a team that didn't perform on the day.

Sorry, wasn't a trick question or that. Just asking who you think Gray would blame for the Kelty result. It'll be himself as it would be any decent manager (head coach) who makes six changes to a team that fails to get a result.

Who would the majority of folk be blaming if it was Johnson or Monty?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The drastic drop in attendance and ST sales says there is a problem and alot of fans have had enoughCould the problem be cost of living? How can anyone draw any conclusions with certainty - did you phone up the folks that have t signed. LWT did back in the day - for some it was health persons, others financial, others appreciated the call and duly signed up. That’s not to say those reasons are todays reasons but jumping to conclusions is premature.

[hibeerealist]

Losing to Kelty gives SDG the ability to go to MM and the board and tell them that the squad is not strong enough. If we had won all our games, got seeded and drew Spartans in the next round it would be a lot harder to tell them we need to strengthen the squad. So perhaps losing to Kelty might be a good result in the longrun!Sent from my iPad using TapatalkNope

[cubehindthegoal]

Could the problem be cost of living? How can anyone draw any conclusions with certainty - did you phone up the folks that have t signed. LWT did back in the day - for some it was health persons, others financial, others appreciated the call and duly signed up. That’s not to say those reasons are todays reasons but jumping to conclusions is premature.

Health and money have f’**d it up for me. But I go along to see my team when I can.

edit and I don’t mean that bad for anyone who can’t. I get it, I know. We are all Hibs fans forever 👍

[Real Emerald]

Only delusional if you aren’t a Hibs fan surely ? Or am I mistaken. it’s a bit over the top, no? Are you a young Hibs fan perhaps ? I’ve seen attendances drop less at Ibrox and Parkhead and s*i*e cassl … was that the real measure too ? Just calm .. that’s my message to true fans … but .. I’m guessing they know that already 😉

What a load of utter nonsense, I’ve been going to Hibs games since 1967 and seen really poor attendances, way worse than now. The problem
Is finances in football have changed a lot over the years and success breeds success.

We have taken a massive step back from 2016 when we were riding high on big season ticket sales and really big average attendances. We have systematically dismantled that since then with ridiculous decisions and recruitment. The fan base that has grown around me as a die hard are now falling away and that in this day and age is catastrophic for a football club. The feel good factor and crowds are dropping like a stone, it’s there for all to see. Our squad is one of the poorest I can remember for a while and the happy clappers accepting this are part of the problem, everything in the garden is far from rosy and the disappearing fans are the evidence.

[O'Rourke3]

Beat Kelty and we're away at Spartans in the second round instead of at Celtic.

It's a meaningful discussion here tbh.The team that Hearts were lucky to get a last minute winner against in the Scottish Cup?

Sent from my Tab 12 Pro using Tapatalk

[cubehindthegoal]

What a load of utter nonsense, I’ve been going to Hibs games since 1967 and seen really poor attendances, way worse than now. The problem
Is finances in football have changed a lot over the years and success breeds success.

We have taken a massive step back from 2016 when we were riding high on big season ticket sales and really big average attendances. We have systematically dismantled that since then with ridiculous decisions and recruitment. The fan base that has grown around me as a die hard are now falling away and that in this day and age is catastrophic for a football club. The feel good factor and crowds are dropping like a stone, it’s there for all to see. Our squad is one of the poorest I can remember for a while and the happy clappers accepting this are part of the problem, everything in the garden is far from rosy and the disappearing fans are the evidence.

Ok then.

I speak utter nonsense.

Yes … finances have changed … but if you think success breeds success, then … we will disagree. Success brings money .. and potential success (eg Man City) breeds buyers with ambition. But that’s nowt to do with us. But success for Hibs does NOT breed more .. it didn’t for Hearts when they tried to buy it (well it did a bit, dishonestly … do you want that ?)

I’m a happy clapper then. Ok.

If you think the euphoria of 2016 is what defines us as Hibs fans … and creates some sort of expectation of success, as OF and Hearts fans expect .. then .. we are different in our views of the past and present ..

Good luck on your Hibee travels my friend, and I hope it meets your expectations and mine too ggtth

[Donegal Hibby]

Sorry, wasn't a trick question or that. Just asking who you think Gray would blame for the Kelty result. It'll be himself as it would be any decent manager (head coach) who makes six changes to a team that fails to get a result.

Who would the majority of folk be blaming if it was Johnson or Monty?

Looking at the Aberdeen team they started with in the first group game it was Milov , Devlin, Rubezic , Molloy, McKenzie, Nilsen, Shinnie , Morris , Clarkson, McGrath , Sokler .... 3 changes in the next game in Milov , Rubezic and Nielsen , Nilsen had a suspension , the other two I don't know why their manager changed them ... after that they went with the same team as they put out in the first match for their final two matches I think .

I think it shows that their manager wanted some consistency with his team while realising the importance of topping the group in order to get seeded.

I wanted SDG as our manager and love the guy for everything he's done for our club though at the same time I do think he got it wrong in making so many changes in a game of the importance it was and don't see anything wrong in calling it out for what it is .

[007]

What a load of utter nonsense, I’ve been going to Hibs games since 1967 and seen really poor attendances, way worse than now. The problem
Is finances in football have changed a lot over the years and success breeds success.

We have taken a massive step back from 2016 when we were riding high on big season ticket sales and really big average attendances. We have systematically dismantled that since then with ridiculous decisions and recruitment. The fan base that has grown around me as a die hard are now falling away and that in this day and age is catastrophic for a football club. The feel good factor and crowds are dropping like a stone, it’s there for all to see. Our squad is one of the poorest I can remember for a while and the happy clappers accepting this are part of the problem, everything in the garden is far from rosy and the disappearing fans are the evidence.

How are happy clappers to blame and what exactly are you doing to solve the problem that these happy clappers are not doing?

[Real Emerald]

Ok then.

I speak utter nonsense.

Yes … finances have changed … but if you think success breeds success, then … we will disagree. Success brings money .. and potential success (eg Man City) breeds buyers with ambition. But that’s nowt to do with us. But success for Hibs does NOT breed more .. it didn’t for Hearts when they tried to buy it (well it did a bit, dishonestly … do you want that ?)

I’m a happy clapper.

We are struggling to keep up with Killie, St Mirren and are miles behind Hearts. Our crowds are going through the floor which means less money to bring in the players we desperately need. There’s a really bad vibe about the club at the moment and being happy about it is strange. However, I am still in desperate hope that before the window shuts we can actually get players in that can get us a better place than 8th in the league. I’m not holding my breath.

[Real Emerald]

How are happy clappers to blame and what exactly are you doing to solve the problem that these happy clappers are not doing?
Accepting mediocrity is accepting failure and I’m buying a season ticket through thick and thin to keep Hibs in business. Like the bad old days when I was part of 5K crowds when no one else could be bothered.

We have sold the club, then sold another 25% to seemingly be untouchable in third place. We have been sold a lot of promises and have every right to question what is going on with our squad and why we’re failing so badly.

[cubehindthegoal]

We are struggling to keep up with Killie, St Mirren and are miles behind Hearts. Our crowds are going through the floor which means less money to bring in the players we desperately need. There’s a really bad vibe about the club at the moment and being happy about it is strange. However, I am still in desperate hope that before the window shuts we can actually get players in that can get us a better place than 8th in the league. I’m not holding my breath.

No, don’t hold your breath, and don’t desperately hope. Please. Bad vibe or not, wouldn’t want you - or anyone - to struggle with our struggle so far behind Hearts, even “miles” behind, as you find hard to share, clearly … lol … keep above the floor .. don’t feel desperate … desperate that you might come here and share that desperation, keep the faith, 7th is possible .. 7 is a lucky number, we know that don’t we ..

It’ll be ok pet x

[007]

Accepting mediocrity is accepting failure and I’m buying a season ticket through thick and thin to keep Hibs in business. Like the bad old days when I was part of 5K crowds when no one else could be bothered.

We have sold the club, then sold another 25% to seemingly be untouchable in third place. We have been sold a lot of promises and have every right to question what is going on with our squad and why we’re failing so badly.

So you've not done anything different to these happy clappers you say are part of the problem and are accepting mediocrity. You perceive a problem that the so-called happy clappers don't yet you've done nothing about it. That is worse than them and it is accepting mediocrity.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

No, don’t hold your breath, and don’t desperately hope. Please. Bad vibe or not, wouldn’t want you - or anyone - to struggle with our struggle so far behind Hearts, even “miles” behind, as you find hard to share, clearly … lol … keep above the floor .. don’t feel desperate … desperate that you might come here and share that desperation, keep the faith, 7th is possible .. 7 is a lucky number, we know that don’t we ..

It’ll be ok pet x

I hope you recover from last night's session.

[DIXIHIBS]

Accepting mediocrity is accepting failure and I’m buying a season ticket through thick and thin to keep Hibs in business. Like the bad old days when I was part of 5K crowds when no one else could be bothered.

We have sold the club, then sold another 25% to seemingly be untouchable in third place. We have been sold a lot of promises and have every right to question what is going on with our squad and why we’re failing so badly.

So the answer to Hibs current problems is to stop buying STs and stop going to games... unbelievable. Nobody is happy about things, nobody is saying top 6 is a great achievement but supporting your team through the bad times is what it is all about. 'happy clappers' as you insultingly call the more positive loyal fans are NOT the problem.

[Trinity Hibee]

Crap draw but we knew there was a strong chance of that.

I get people are frustrated, as am I, and I hope the club are pissed off at themselves given what the Kelty defeat has now caused. There are a lot of failings at the club just now behind the scenes and in terms of recruitment but think we need to move on now as none of that will changes imminently. Chances are we weren’t winning the cup thus season and full focus should be on the league campaign.

[Hiber-nation]

Christ you'd think Dave Gray had hand picked Celtic away in the draw the way some folk are going on.

[McGruber]

It was unlucky to draw Celtic away (the worst possible draw) though as has been well documented, the remit was to avoid that possibility by getting through as a seeded team. We had the easiest group aswell must be said. Worth remembering it was only this round and we could have got Celtic away next round even if we did get through the last 16 with an easier tie.

[McGruber]

Gray will have objectives set by the board for the season, Montgomery said the objectives for him included getting to the later rounds of the cups. If Gray doesn't put Celtic out on their own patch (very unlikely but not impossible) he's going to fall at the first hurdle objective wise. Debatable whether mitigating circumstance could be argued with the draw. Should have avoided being in the position but unlucky to get worst possible tie.

[ChuckNor]

Honestly, this is why many in our squad think our fans are crap. Complete over reaction. Hibs fans have become a really toxic bunch. Thought Gray would get some patience but people are already writing him off because we got a tough draw in a cup competition. Unreal. Bad results against crap teams like Kelty happen in football, especially in early season. Get over it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Honestly, this is why many in our squad think our fans are crap. Complete over reaction. Hibs fans have become a really toxic bunch. Thought Gray would get some patience but people are already writing him off because we got a tough draw in a cup competition. Unreal. Bad results against crap teams like Kelty happen in football, especially in early season. Get over it.

Literally nobody has written Gray off.

What is toxic is your desperation to make up non existent scenarios to criticise other Hibs fans for.

You are however absolutely correct that bad results happen in football. Bad results also get criticised, not just at Hibs, but everywhere.

On top of that, ‘many of our squad’ think the fan base is crap? I’d love to see your evidence of that. If they think they’re going to go somewhere else and find a better fan base then they’re kidding themselves on.

[blackpoolhibs]

Honestly, this is why many in our squad think our fans are crap. Complete over reaction. Hibs fans have become a really toxic bunch. Thought Gray would get some patience but people are already writing him off because we got a tough draw in a cup competition. Unreal. Bad results against crap teams like Kelty happen in football, especially in early season. Get over it.Gray after having years of watching us underperform in certain games did the one thing we actually know goes towards achieving those poor results. That result, one of our very worst is on him.A lot of our fans also think our squad is crap, that's toxic.

[Hermit Crab]

Honestly, this is why many in our squad think our fans are crap. Complete over reaction. Hibs fans have become a really toxic bunch. Thought Gray would get some patience but people are already writing him off because we got a tough draw in a cup competition. Unreal. Bad results against crap teams like Kelty happen in football, especially in early season. Get over it.Nobody is wanting Gray out yet, nowhere near it. However, if we have a really bad start to the league like failing to win any of the first round of games and get knocked out the cup by Celtic then there will definitely be people calling for his head. We might win say 8 of our first 11 games and that would set us up nicely the second round of games. What is clear though that it will only take a few bad results for some sections of the support to turn on him (see the boos at Kelty). Make no mistake, cup winning hero or not, he will be dropped as quick as a hot tattle by BK and IG if they remain in charge of this circus. We desperately need 3/4 quality players in fast to help Gray get us to where he wants us to be.

[Gruff]

Honestly, this is why many in our squad think our fans are crap. Complete over reaction. Hibs fans have become a really toxic bunch. Thought Gray would get some patience but people are already writing him off because we got a tough draw in a cup competition. Unreal. Bad results against crap teams like Kelty happen in football, especially in early season. Get over it.I'm certainly not writing Gray off here, The Kelty result was on him, he picked the team which led to the defeat at Kelty, Kelty may have beaten us with our first 11 that easily beat the others in the group. we'll never know.What we do have though is by far the toughest draw against a Celtic team who look like picking up from where they left off last season. Again, i'm only going by pre season Celtic results, but by the time we play them, they might have cracked open that overflowing biscuit tin and added players we can only dream about, making our chances even slimmer of getting a result. If we get anything from the 2 Celtic games, its a bonus and i'll certainly not be calling for Gray to go if we lose both. For the first time in a while, Gray looks like he has the team playing ok, we desperately need a few bodies in, get some decent players in and i think we'll see a distinct improvement from the last few years of mediocre football from both players and managers. The board don't escape either.On the whole Hibs fans are not toxic, they just want a decent team on the pitch after years of crap from players/managers brought in and delivering a poor end product. Its not too much to ask from fans who shell out week after week to see the team

[Hermit Crab]

I'm certainly not writing Gray off here, The Kelty result was on him, he picked the team which led to the defeat at Kelty, Kelty may have beaten us with our first 11 that easily beat the others in the group. we'll never know.What we do have though is by far the toughest draw against a Celtic team who look like picking up from where they left off last season. Again, i'm only going by pre season Celtic results, but by the time we play them, they might have cracked open that overflowing biscuit tin and added players we can only dream about, making our chances even slimmer of getting a resultIf we get anything from the 2 Celtic games, its a bonus and i'll certainly not be calling for Gray to go if we lose both.For the first time in a while, Gray looks like he has the team playing ok, we desperately need a few bodies in, get some decent players in and i think we'll see a distinct improvement from the last few years of mediocre football from both players and managers. The board don't escape either.On the whole Hibs fans are not toxic, they just want a decent team on the pitch after years of crap from players/managers brought in and delivering a poor end product.Its not too much to ask from fans who shell out week after week to see the teamThe first round of games will tell us a lot about Gray as a manager and the squad as a unit. Win the majority and it will be clear he has it in him, however if we lose or draw the majority then we have a problem. We need investment in that squad desperately though. No loans either, permanent quality signings.

[B.H.F.C]

Gray will have objectives set by the board for the season, Montgomery said the objectives for him included getting to the later rounds of the cups. If Gray doesn't put Celtic out on their own patch (very unlikely but not impossible) he's going to fall at the first hurdle objective wise. Debatable whether mitigating circumstance could be argued with the draw. Should have avoided being in the position but unlucky to get worst possible tie.

Hopefully the board give him a fighting chance by the time that tie comes round. Because the squad, in its current nick, has next to no chance of going to Parkhead and getting a win.

[erin go bragh]

Well I'm looking forward to a cup game at Celtic. Should take a few thousand and i was lucky enough to be at Castle Greyskull in the cup when we skelped them 3-0.

[hibsbollah]

Well I'm looking forward to a cup game at Celtic. Should take a few thousand and i was lucky enough to be at Castle Greyskull in the cup when we skelped them 3-0.

What a day that was.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well I'm looking forward to a cup game at Celtic. Should take a few thousand and i was lucky enough to be at Castle Greyskull in the cup when we skelped them 3-0.

There will be absolutely no chance of us taking a few thousand imo.

[Spike Mandela]

Laat year's failure to qualify for Europe was as much the reason for us being unseeded and that's on Monty.

Kelty was a bad result in amongst some really promising results the rest of pre season. Yes we lost it but everyone knows we had loads of chances in the game to win it comfortably. It was just one of those games not helped by giving fringe players necessary game time.

The draw sucks and I can't see this current squad being good enough to make a game of it but you never know. A few quality signings might change things in coming weeks.

[Hermit Crab]

Well I'm looking forward to a cup game at Celtic. Should take a few thousand and i was lucky enough to be at Castle Greyskull in the cup when we skelped them 3-0.This game will either be Saturday evening or Sunday afternoon as I reckon it will be a tv game.

[CallumLaidlaw]

This game will either be Saturday evening or Sunday afternoon as I reckon it will be a tv game.

And more likely the Saturday as I think Rangers and Kilmarnock will be on the Sunday due to Europe.


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[LaMotta]

And more likely the Saturday as I think Rangers and Kilmarnock will be on the Sunday due to Europe. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkRangers European qualifiers are on the Tuesday, so that means likely option they will play St Johnstone on Saturday and we will play Celtic on the Sunday.

[Lago]

No, don’t hold your breath, and don’t desperately hope. Please. Bad vibe or not, wouldn’t want you - or anyone - to struggle with our struggle so far behind Hearts, even “miles” behind, as you find hard to share, clearly … lol … keep above the floor .. don’t feel desperate … desperate that you might come here and share that desperation, keep the faith, 7th is possible .. 7 is a lucky number, we know that don’t we ..It’ll be ok pet xWhat a patronising and unnecessary post.

[ChuckNor]

Literally nobody has written Gray off. What is toxic is your desperation to make up non existent scenarios to criticise other Hibs fans for. You are however absolutely correct that bad results happen in football. Bad results also get criticised, not just at Hibs, but everywhere. On top of that, ‘many of our squad’ think the fan base is crap? I’d love to see your evidence of that. If they think they’re going to go somewhere else and find a better fan base then they’re kidding themselves on. Have you read every single post and tweet? I have seen a few of fans gunning for Gray already purely because of a bad draw. Toys out the pram stuff. My desperation to make up non-existant scenarios? What have I made up? Seems pretty over the top. Was I right that there was a fall out between the owners of the club? Yes. Have some fans posted doubts about Gray, including whether he will be able to succeed/end up getting sacked soon? Also yes. Many at Hibs have questioned why the fans are so quick to lash out into such negativity, creating the toxic atmosphere that envelops the club. This has been the case for many years. When we are good we are great, when not... I have said to people in the club that the fans reactions can be justified with the poor performances and some of the shocking decisions by our owner (including when he became head of recruitment, bizarrely). I think we can rally around Gray, he has the potential to be an excellent appointment. The performance against Kelty wasn't actually bad. The finishing was. We created an incredible amount of chances, many of them (especially Vente's) were basically tap ins.

[.Sean.]

On the subject of Celtic and allocations, we’ll find out this week what Celtic have been given for Easter Road in a fortnight and if the club have stuck to their guns

[IanM]

We’ll smash then 3-0.. based on nothing

[Greenio]

Football fans, including here are unreasonable, impatient, shortsighted and ignorant. Not all of them but a vocal minority. Theyll moan, complain, provide insight in hindsight and generally stick tjr boot in early without context, empathy or bigger picture thinking.

This, is their right! They enjoy it!

Dont take that away from them.

Just know your opinion is different

Bring them on. Could snatch a win!

If not, we move on, tough draw, **** happens

[Since452]

Gray after having years of watching us underperform in certain games did the one thing we actually know goes towards achieving those poor results. That result, one of our very worst is on him.A lot of our fans also think our squad is crap, that's toxic.He'd have taken advice from the sports science guys and his coaches too. Collectively we ****ed up against Kelty but still should have scored 4 or 5 given the chances we had. If we'd scored the simple chances then nobody would be talking about the squad rotation.

[hibee-boys]

On the subject of Celtic and allocations, we’ll find out this week what Celtic have been given for Easter Road in a fortnight and if the club have stuck to their guns

Unless there’s any chance of us selling tickets in the south stand, which there isn’t, they should get the full stand. Why cut of our nose etc when we’re in a transfer window trying to improve the team to help set us apart from the teams that are our actual competitors. The number either side of the old firm bring to ER won’t influence our season other than give us a smaller budget to compete against the likes of Hearts, Aberdeen etc.

[hibsbollah]

He'd have taken advice from the sports science guys and his coaches too. Collectively we ****ed up against Kelty but still should have scored 4 or 5 given the chances we had. If we'd scored the simple chances then nobody would be talking about the squad rotation.

Also, just for balance, of the 11 who started the Kelty game, EIGHT were involved yesterday, the only exceptions being Megwa(and we know he’s shown plenty already to justify selection), the keeper Smith, and McKirdy. So its not like Gray put out a bunch of laddies with no experience against Kelty.

[erin go bragh]

Unless there’s any chance of us selling tickets in the south stand, which there isn’t, they should get the full stand. Why cut of our nose etc when we’re in a transfer window trying to improve the team to help set us apart from the teams that are our actual competitors. The number either side of the old firm bring to ER won’t influence our season other than give us a smaller budget to compete against the likes of Hearts, Aberdeen etc.

Pretty sure we are cutting their allocation as the sectarian bile that comes out their mouth,which will be reduced considerably .
Be quite happy if we banned them from ER. Maybe more people would take their younger children.

[greenlex]

Literally nobody has written Gray off.

What is toxic is your desperation to make up non existent scenarios to criticise other Hibs fans for.

You are however absolutely correct that bad results happen in football. Bad results also get criticised, not just at Hibs, but everywhere.

On top of that, ‘many of our squad’ think the fan base is crap? I’d love to see your evidence of that. If they think they’re going to go somewhere else and find a better fan base then they’re kidding themselves on.
That’s not true. I’ve seen someone reckon he will be gone by October being countered by a bet he will still be here by Christmas. If that’s not writing him off then In don't know what is.

[Broken Gnome]

Also, just for balance, of the 11 who started the Kelty game, EIGHT were involved yesterday, the only exceptions being Megwa(and we know he’s shown plenty already to justify selection), the keeper Smith, and McKirdy. So its not like Gray put out a bunch of laddies with no experience against Kelty.

The team selection is taking way too big a beating. It wasn't a lower league shambles like Forfar where we barely created a thing. They did more than enough to win it. Only real objection you could maybe have is Megwa at left back and not putting Newell on immediately after the goal. It's a terrible result but not a black mark or early reason to be fearful of how well Gray will do.

Same result in January in the Scottish Cup would be a different story. For now, the concerns are squad depth rather than coaching and management.

[chrisski33]

Folk think/know we will lose so we have nothing to gain but going for it and you never know we might win!

[One Day Soon]

Have you read every single post and tweet? I have seen a few of fans gunning for Gray already purely because of a bad draw. Toys out the pram stuff. My desperation to make up non-existant scenarios? What have I made up? Seems pretty over the top. Was I right that there was a fall out between the owners of the club? Yes. Have some fans posted doubts about Gray, including whether he will be able to succeed/end up getting sacked soon? Also yes. Many at Hibs have questioned why the fans are so quick to lash out into such negativity, creating the toxic atmosphere that envelops the club. This has been the case for many years. When we are good we are great, when not... I have said to people in the club that the fans reactions can be justified with the poor performances and some of the shocking decisions by our owner (including when he became head of recruitment, bizarrely). I think we can rally around Gray, he has the potential to be an excellent appointment. The performance against Kelty wasn't actually bad. The finishing was. We created an incredible amount of chances, many of them (especially Vente's) were basically tap ins.

I don't think the core issue at the moment is team selection and defeat at Kelty. Spoke with my brother in law in Kelty at the weekend who was at the game and his view was we should have won but it was just one of those days.

I think discontent is much more founded in the state of our squad and first team, negligible transfer market activity relative to the state of the squad to this point in the window, profoundly serious question marks over leadership and ownership at the club, massively raised expectations about budget and signings following statements from both Kensell and Foley, serial disappointment over a succession of managers and lingering question marks over the motivations behind the appointments of both Gray and Mackay. And the giant, silent, Ian Gordon shaped question mark at the heart of the club. Put all those together in one toxic brew and a result like Kelty becomes a lightning conductor for everything else.

There's no doubt that supporters want to rally round Gray with perhaps just a handful at most at this stage who don't. The question is whether we are going to get the chance to do that if results are poor and not enough surgery is done to the first team and squad to give a rookie manager a fighting chance? We're already ridiculously late with the emergency surgery both first 11 and squad need relative to the start of the league season. We've seen (serially) how that can pan out at Easter Road, we do not want to again knacker our season and new manager before they have a chance to get started only to then be reduced to holding out for the winter window and see things fall apart. We're still 4 or 5 players short and that is pretty damning at this stage for all those with official and unofficial fingers in the recruitment pie

[MWHIBBIES]

The team selection is taking way too big a beating. It wasn't a lower league shambles like Forfar where we barely created a thing. They did more than enough to win it. Only real objection you could maybe have is Megwa at left back and not putting Newell on immediately after the goal. It's a terrible result but not a black mark or early reason to be fearful of how well Gray will do.

Same result in January in the Scottish Cup would be a different story. For now, the concerns are squad depth rather than coaching and management.

Agreed. Gray didn't coach a bad performance at all. On Hibs.net every defeat is automatically a dreadful performance but we created far more than the Forfar tie, and conceded a lot less chances. It took our keeper trying to chuck one in to let them have anything first half, and we should've had at least 1. At 1-0 down we hit the woodwork twice and Rudi missed a great chance.

The ones we didn't rotate actually cost us but it happens. Thinking the same 11 was or is ever going to play all 4 league cup ties is sheer idiocy imo. It's an ideal time to rotate, try things, and give young players some minutes.

[Donegal Hibby]

Agreed. Gray didn't coach a bad performance at all. On Hibs.net every defeat is automatically a dreadful performance but we created far more than the Forfar tie, and conceded a lot less chances. It took our keeper trying to chuck one in to let them have anything first half, and we should've had at least 1. At 1-0 down we hit the woodwork twice and Rudi missed a great chance.

The ones we didn't rotate actually cost us but it happens. Thinking the same 11 was or is ever going to play all 4 league cup ties is sheer idiocy imo. It's an ideal time to rotate, try things, and give young players some minutes.

The Aberdeen manager didn't seem to go along with your logic it's an ideal time to rotate , try things , give young players some minutes.

He seemed to have treated them like competitive games that there was something to be gained by doing well in them which there was in fairness.

[Since452]

Well I'm looking forward to a cup game at Celtic. Should take a few thousand and i was lucky enough to be at Castle Greyskull in the cup when we skelped them 3-0.Different competition. LC games are usually very poorly attended until the final. We'll probably take 1k max.

[Iain G]

So did we not qualify from our group and field and illegible player that lost us points again? Or did we get through...hard to tell from the tone 😁

[Pagan Hibernia]

Different competition. LC games are usually very poorly attended until the final. We'll probably take 1k max.probably be a poor attendance generally. Celtic fans act all high and mighty when arguing that they should get a higher share of tickets for finals, but their home crowds in early rounds in the cups are pretty patchy

[Cod Boy]

When do we expect the tv games to be announced I know we are a cert to be showing live

[He's here!]

Well I'm looking forward to a cup game at Celtic. Should take a few thousand and i was lucky enough to be at Castle Greyskull in the cup when we skelped them 3-0.

The Hibs team that day would skelp the current one at least 3-0.

[Carheenlea]

We have an annual golf trip away that weekend and always do a 8 team football bet amongst the group on the Saturday, so I jokingly informed the group chat that I probably wouldn’t be selecting Hibs this year.
The one Celtic fan in the group reminded me of their exit last year at the same stage to Kilmarnock and the general tone was that it wasn’t the draw they are too happy with either.

If you asked Celtic fans to pick who they would have liked to face, I doubt any would have picked Hibs. An early season cup tie away to Celtic might not be quite the bad draw as to when a season is properly up and running.

The chances of Celtic being knocked out two seasons in a row at first time of asking is probably slim, but it’s still the best time to get them.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Early round so half empty celtic park. There's worse times and rounds to play them

[Billy Whizz]

I think Celtic will give us a few thousand tickets for this, maybe even all unrestricted views

[007]

We'll knock out Celtic then lose to the winner of Spartans and Ross County.

[andrew70]

When do we expect the tv games to be announced I know we are a cert to be showing live

Be next couple of days I imagine although we’ll be the Sunday as the Huns have European qualifiers.

[snedzuk]

Honestly, this is why many in our squad think our fans are crap. Complete over reaction. Hibs fans have become a really toxic bunch. Thought Gray would get some patience but people are already writing him off because we got a tough draw in a cup competition. Unreal. Bad results against crap teams like Kelty happen in football, especially in early season. Get over it.

This - say we go to Parkhead, they swamp us, hit the woodwork three times and we score the only goal of the game. They're not invincible.

[hibsbollah]

The Hibs team that day would skelp the current one at least 3-0.Every player in the first eleven that day was with the exception of Simon Brown and Chris Hogg have a good shout to be in the a mythical best hibs eleven of the last 30 years, and would beat most other Hibs teams 3-0, so I don't really think thats a stick to beat the current team with.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Honestly, this is why many in our squad think our fans are crap. Complete over reaction. Hibs fans have become a really toxic bunch. Thought Gray would get some patience but people are already writing him off because we got a tough draw in a cup competition. Unreal. Bad results against crap teams like Kelty happen in football, especially in early season. Get over it.Feeling is mutual to be honest. Many in our support think our squad is crap

[SHODAN]

The Hibs team that day would skelp the current one at least 3-0. The Rangers team that was beaten 3-0 would probably skelp the current Rangers team too. Everyone's worse.

[He's here!]

Every player in the first eleven that day was with the exception of Simon Brown and Chris Hogg have a good shout to be in the a mythical best hibs eleven of the last 30 years, and would beat most other Hibs teams 3-0, so I don't really think thats a stick to beat the current team with.That's not what I'm doing, just pointing out that we're not comparing like with like when setting that 3-0 win at Ibrox (our second such win there that season) against a trip to Parkhead with the current team. I remember there being a enormous sense of confidence among the Hibs support that day and we filled a whole stand. We're nowhere near that kind of vibe right now. That would be a tough XI to pick when selecting from players from the last 30 years. The McLeish and Mowbray sides would be stuffed with candidates, but the 2016 side would have a big say too. Despite the wealth of wonderful outfield players to choose from, finding a truly top keeper might be the hardest call. For consistency alone, maybe Colgan?

[He's here!]

The Rangers team that was beaten 3-0 would probably skelp the current Rangers team too. Everyone's worse.That's more questionable. Pretty sure Rangers finished third that season, although possibly had a decent Champions League run.

[CapitalGreen]

The Rangers team that was beaten 3-0 would probably skelp the current Rangers team too. Everyone's worse.

Not sure I’d agree with that tbh.

[Trinity Hibee]

Feeling is mutual to be honest. Many in our support think our squad is crap

If the squad think our fans are crap it just reinforces that they have an inflated opinion of how good they are. They can beat if they don’t like it and stop taking a wage.

[Springbank]

That's not what I'm doing, just pointing out that we're not comparing like with like when setting that 3-0 win at Ibrox (our second such win there that season) against a trip to Parkhead with the current team. I remember there being a enormous sense of confidence among the Hibs support that day and we filled a whole stand. We're nowhere near that kind of vibe right now. That would be a tough XI to pick when selecting from players from the last 30 years. The McLeish and Mowbray sides would be stuffed with candidates, but the 2016 side would have a big say too. Despite the wealth of wonderful outfield players to choose from, finding a truly top keeper might be the hardest call. For consistency alone, maybe Colgan?I'd be putting Marciano in as best in recent times, with the Polar Bear on the bench as the best sub keeper we'll ever have :)FWIW I'd be saying Marciano, Gray, Sauzee, Hanlon, Murphy [sorry Lewis]McGinn Beuzelin LatapyRiordan o'Connor Stokes

[He's here!]

I'd be putting Marciano in as best in recent times, with the Polar Bear on the bench as the best sub keeper we'll ever have :)FWIW I'd be saying Marciano, Gray, Sauzee, Hanlon, Murphy [sorry Lewis]McGinn Beuzelin LatapyRiordan o'Connor StokesI'd be struggling to leave out Scott Brown, Ulrik Laursen, Paul Fenwick and John O'Neil. Shame Kenny Miller didn't hang around long or he'd have been a strong contender. He gets maligned but I also thought Gary Caldwell was a sound player for us. Honourable mentions to Dean Shiels and Ivan Sproule, while on their day Benji and Zemmama were close to unplayable, just badly lacking in consistency. Daniel Andersson was a pretty decent keeper, certainly in relation to the likes of Caig, Brown, Malkowski...

[DH1875]

Depends on the ticket prices. If it's the same as the league then no chance we are taking 2k+ for the game.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd be struggling to leave out Scott Brown, Ulrik Laursen, Paul Fenwick and John O'Neil. Shame Kenny Miller didn't hang around long or he'd have been a strong contender. He gets maligned but I also thought Gary Caldwell was a sound player for us. Honourable mentions to Dean Shiels and Ivan Sproule, while on their day Benji and Zemmama were close to unplayable, just badly lacking in consistency. Daniel Andersson was a pretty decent keeper, certainly in relation to the likes of Caig, Brown, Malkowski...

Ambrose comfortably in any Hibs side in last 20 years.

[SunshineOn1875]

Not sure I’d agree with that tbh.You don't have to, it is true though.

[SunshineOn1875]

That's more questionable. Pretty sure Rangers finished third that season, although possibly had a decent Champions League run.Ricksen, Murray, Burke, Ferguson, Prso, Kris Boyd, Lovenkrands, Hutton and Novo all get into this current rangers side.

[Billy Whizz]

Saw this on the league cup regulations page

SPFL board min pricing for all rounds after Group stages exc Semi finals and Final
Premiership Clubs
Adult £18
OAP and Juveniles £12

[Alfred E Newman]

That's not what I'm doing, just pointing out that we're not comparing like with like when setting that 3-0 win at Ibrox (our second such win there that season) against a trip to Parkhead with the current team. I remember there being a enormous sense of confidence among the Hibs support that day and we filled a whole stand. We're nowhere near that kind of vibe right now. That would be a tough XI to pick when selecting from players from the last 30 years. The McLeish and Mowbray sides would be stuffed with candidates, but the 2016 side would have a big say too. Despite the wealth of wonderful outfield players to choose from, finding a truly top keeper might be the hardest call. For consistency alone, maybe Colgan?

I don't know about confidence but we were stuffed 4-1 at Tynecastle the week before.

[davhibby]

Be next couple of days I imagine although we’ll be the Sunday as the Huns have European qualifiers.

Could possibly be the Friday as well maybe? Would probably prefer that to Sunday lunchtime

[andrew70]

Could possibly be the Friday as well maybe? Would probably prefer that to Sunday lunchtime

Agreed but Premier don’t often do Fridays, do they?

[He's here!]

I don't know about confidence but we were stuffed 4-1 at Tynecastle the week before.It's funny what you blank out your mind! We certainly took a few doings from Hearts under Mowbray, although notched up some memorable wins too. Pretty sure we beat Livi 7-0 in our next game after the Ibrox cup win.

[hibsbollah]

I'd be putting Marciano in as best in recent times, with the Polar Bear on the bench as the best sub keeper we'll ever have :)FWIW I'd be saying Marciano, Gray, Sauzee, Hanlon, Murphy [sorry Lewis]McGinn Beuzelin LatapyRiordan o'Connor Stokes

Marciano

Whittaker
Ambrose
Sauzee
Murphy

McGinn
Boozy
Thomson
Brown
Latapy

Fletcher (will get pelters for this but i thought he was massively underrated)

Subs
Riordan
Gary O
Zemmama
Jones
Ulrik

No room for Sproule or Stokes.

[Paul1642]

Marciano

Whittaker
Ambrose
Sauzee
Murphy

McGinn
Boozy
Thomson
Brown
Latapy

Fletcher (will get pelters for this but i thought he was massively underrated)

Subs
Riordan
Gary O
Zemmama
Jones
Ulrik

No room for Sproule or Stokes.

If we’re saying each of these are in their prime, that’s a treble winning team any day of the week

[He's here!]

MarcianoWhittakerAmbroseSauzeeMurphyMcGinnBoozyTho mson BrownLatapyFletcher (will get pelters for this but i thought he was massively underrated)SubsRiordanGary OZemmamaJonesUlrikNo room for Sproule or Stokes.No pelters for Fletcher as he went on to have a very decent career post-Hibs, far better than Riordan, O'Connor and Stokes. He was terrific in the 2007 League Cup final and my only criticism is that I felt he could actually have got to an even better level than he did (although I think he might actually still be playing?). As others have said, he remained too one-footed throughout his career and his goal tally suffered due to his desire to get everything on to his left.

[The Modfather]

Marciano

Whittaker
Ambrose
Sauzee
Murphy

McGinn
Boozy
Thomson
Brown
Latapy

Fletcher (will get pelters for this but i thought he was massively underrated)

Subs
Riordan
Gary O
Zemmama
Jones
Ulrik

No room for Sproule or Stokes.

Where’s Newell?

Joking aside. No McGeough? Was his prime at Hibs better than Boozy’s prime? An open question as I, naturally, remember McGeough better than Boozy so would have chosen McGeough.

Either way, a midfield of Thomson/Boozy/McGeough, Brown & Super John is the midfield 3 dreams are made of.

[TrinityHFC]

Feeling is mutual to be honest. Many in our support think our squad is crap

They do but they also seem to be really certain that those crap players would have beaten Kelty.

[davhibby]

Agreed but Premier don’t often do Fridays, do they?

I think they had done before they were taken over by viaplay so now it’s back with them there might be a chance

[Alfred E Newman]

It's funny what you blank out your mind! We certainly took a few doings from Hearts under Mowbray, although notched up some memorable wins too. Pretty sure we beat Livi 7-0 in our next game after the Ibrox cup win.
The 7-0 record was at risk in that game as well as were 4-0 down just after half time and down to 10 men.! 4-1 turned out to be a good result!!

[LaMotta]

The 7-0 record was at risk in that game as well as were 4-0 down just after half time and down to 10 men.! 4-1 turned out to be a good result!!There arent many Hibs managers that would have shipped 12 goals in 3 losses to Hearts that season and still managed to maintain his popularity.

[Pagan Hibernia]

There arent many Hibs managers that would have shipped 12 goals in 3 losses to Hearts that season and still managed to maintain his popularity.Very true. We did beat them a couple of times that season too, which helped. Including a very sweet one when we ended their unbeaten start in the league.

[LaMotta]

Very true. We did beat them a couple of times that season too, which helped. Including a very sweet one when we ended their unbeaten start in the league.I missed only 2 home games that season - both of them the derby wins! First one I was in Amsterdam, made for a great nights celebration.

[He's here!]

Very true. We did beat them a couple of times that season too, which helped. Including a very sweet one when we ended their unbeaten start in the league.

Yes, I think that win to end their unbeaten run bought Mowbray some derby leeway. The semi-final was also to some extent tolerated as we were decimated by injuries. Also think we'd just sold O'Connor which, despite a big fee, was bad timing.

[LaMotta]

Yes, I think that win to end their unbeaten run bought Mowbray some derby leeway. The semi-final was also to some extent tolerated as we were decimated by injuries. Also think we'd just sold O'Connor which, despite a big fee, was bad timing.The way social media/forums are today he may not have been afforded such goodwill.

[TrinityHFC]

There arent many Hibs managers that would have shipped 12 goals in 3 losses to Hearts that season and still managed to maintain his popularity.

I was on some of previous incarnations of this site and there are posters still on here now that wanted rid of Mowbray.

A lot of those players got non stop criticism too. Boozy actually wasn’t highly rated. Didn’t tackle and didn’t get forward enough. Fletcher couldn’t finish and was one footed, Benji and Zemmama were lazy with bad attitudes etc.

[Bobby's Cinema]

There arent many Hibs managers that would have shipped 12 goals in 3 losses to Hearts that season and still managed to maintain his popularity.I think that tells you how much we all enjoyed watching Hibs at that time. Walking up to ER knowing you were going to be entertained every week

[LaMotta]

I was on some of previous incarnations of this site and there are posters still on here now that wanted rid of Mowbray. A lot of those players got non stop criticism too. Boozy actually wasn’t highly rated. Didn’t tackle and didn’t get forward enough. Fletcher couldn’t finish and was one footed, Benji and Zemmama were lazy with bad attitudes etc.Feels more intense now and perceptions seem to change much quicker. Jack Ross as an example whereby the board jumped at a bit of social media noise. That noise would have been far more of a minority back in 2005.

[LaMotta]

I think that tells you how much we all enjoyed watching Hibs at that time. Walking up to ER knowing you were going to be entertained every weekAye, in some ways Mowbray was really unfortunate that his time here coincided with Romanov's expensively funded Hearts team.

[Iain G]

I was on some of previous incarnations of this site and there are posters still on here now that wanted rid of Mowbray.

A lot of those players got non stop criticism too. Boozy actually wasn’t highly rated. Didn’t tackle and didn’t get forward enough. Fletcher couldn’t finish and was one footed, Benji and Zemmama were lazy with bad attitudes etc.

Can't believe how much we got for old one footed Fletch 😁

[Broken Gnome]

Aye, in some ways Mowbray was really unfortunate that his time here coincided with Romanov's expensively funded Hearts team.

I'd have loved that team to have had a run without what was going on at Tynecastle. Sad it coincided with an unheard of spending splurge.

He has some pretty decent mitigating circumstances for the derby losses. We were well on top in the 4-1 before maybe the worst 15 minutes a team has ever had, and the semi-final was somewhat inevitable. Even in the 4-0 league game when we were pish, their opener was offside and shouldn't have counted...

Amazing what a group of likeable players, a likeable manager and a likeable environment around the club can do for the psyche. You'll forgive them almost anything.

[TrinityHFC]

I'd have loved that team to have had a run without what was going on at Tynecastle. Sad it coincided with an unheard of spending splurge.

He has some pretty decent mitigating circumstances for the derby losses. We were well on top in the 4-1 before maybe the worst 15 minutes a team has ever had, and the semi-final was somewhat inevitable. Even in the 4-0 league game when we were pish, their opener was offside and shouldn't have counted...

Amazing what a group of likeable players, a likeable manager and a likeable environment around the club can do for the psyche. You'll forgive them almost anything.

If only Mowbray could spot a defender or goalkeeper! Murphy aside.

[H18 SFR]

If only Mowbray could spot a defender or goalkeeper! Murphy aside.

I thought Rob Jones was excellent at Hibs.

[Since452]

I can't help but think what hibs.net and social media would have been like during the Alex Miller era. He wouldn't have had 10 years in the job anyway.

[Nicho87]

I can't help but think what hibs.net and social media would have been like during the Alex Miller era. He wouldn't have had 10 years in the job anyway.

We’re in the kensell era and he’s been here what feels like 10 years

[Since452]

MarcianoWhittakerAmbroseSauzeeMurphyMcGinnBoozyTho mson BrownLatapyFletcher (will get pelters for this but i thought he was massively underrated)SubsRiordanGary OZemmamaJonesUlrikNo room for Sproule or Stokes.Prime Scott Allan would be a consideration too.

[kentao]

Surprised Griffiths has not been included, he's got to be in there with a shout.

[LaMotta]

Surprised Griffiths has not been included, he's got to be in there with a shout.agreed - he was absolutely out of this world in that 2012/2013 season for Hibs.

[Nicho87]

I can't help but think what hibs.net and social media would have been like during the Alex Miller era. He wouldn't have had 10 years in the job anyway.

We’re in the kensell era and he’s been here what feels like 10 years

[Blaster]

Sunday 18th
3pm ko

[HH81]

Sunday 18th August.

Will it be on TV?

[JohnM1875]

Sunday 18th August.

Will it be on TV?

Celtic game so will no doubt be on Premier Sport

[Hibee_Craig7062]

Sunday 18th August.

Will it be on TV?

On premier sports otherwise known as Old Firm TV

[Hermit Crab]

On premier sports otherwise known as Old Firm TVAbsolute joke of a channel. Rangers and Celtic both at home and both on TV.Falkirk v Hearts and Spartans v Ross County arguably better ties with a good chance of an upset in at least one of them

[Moulin Yarns]

Sunday 18th August.

Will it be on TV?

The SPFL announced the details on Tuesday with all eight matches being either streamed live or broadcast on Premier Sports, in a first for the competition.

The first live game will be at 5.45pm on Saturday, August 17 when holders Rangers begin the defence of their trophy against St Johnstone at Hampden Park.

Premier Sports will also show Celtic v Hibernian on Sunday August 18, which will kick-off at 3pm and be followed by the draw for the quarter-finals.


Shame the draw is after our game, the players will still be celebrating 🤣

[HH81]

The SPFL announced the details on Tuesday with all eight matches being either streamed live or broadcast on Premier Sports, in a first for the competition.

The first live game will be at 5.45pm on Saturday, August 17 when holders Rangers begin the defence of their trophy against St Johnstone at Hampden Park.

Premier Sports will also show Celtic v Hibernian on Sunday August 18, which will kick-off at 3pm and be followed by the draw for the quarter-finals.


Shame the draw is after our game, the players will still be celebrating 🤣

Cheers yes saw it was on tv after. Such a bad time for me 3pm on a Sunday.

[Keith_M]

Premier Sports will also show Celtic v Hibernian on Sunday August 18, which will kick-off at 3pm and be followed by the draw for the quarter-finals. Shame the draw is after our game, the players will still be celebrating 🤣 We'll still be singing SOL in the away end, celebrating our 3-0 win

[davhibby]

Absolute joke of a channel. Rangers and Celtic both at home and both on TV.Falkirk v Hearts and Spartans v Ross County arguably better ties with a good chance of an upset in at least one of them

Every game is on Premier, just that the rest are on the app.

[SHODAN]

Every game is on Premier, just that the rest are on the app.

That's pretty damn good tbf.

[O'Rourke3]

Absolute joke of a channel. Rangers and Celtic both at home and both on TV.Falkirk v Hearts and Spartans v Ross County arguably better ties with a good chance of an upset in at least one of themYou seem to be missing the point about their interest in Scottish football...... Premier bought the rights to the league cup when no-one would touch that completion till the final. They held the cards and the League were grateful for the investment, despite the conditions for the investment.

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[bingo70]

Sorry if this has been well covered elsewhere but does anyone know when tickets for the cup game against Celtic are likely to go on sale?

[andrew70]

Sorry if this has been well covered elsewhere but does anyone know when tickets for the cup game against Celtic are likely to go on sale?

I’d say Monday or Tuesday to Hibs First, Wed or Thurs for Gen

[bingo70]

I’d say Monday or Tuesday to Hibs First, Wed or Thurs for Gen

Cheers, think we normally sell out Celtic park quite quickly don’t we? Hopefully get a ticket ok if there’s a bigger allocation than normal.

[Billy Whizz]

I see Celtic have put their tickets on sale for the cup match v Hibs
Adults £25
Concessions £17
Under 13’s £12

[Onceinawhile]

I see Celtic have put their tickets on sale for the cup match v Hibs
Adults £25
Concessions £17
Under 13’s £12

£17 for a 14 year old? That's a shambles.