Josh Campbell

[Donegal Hibby]

Going by this article it looks like Josh Campbell is probably going to be playing regularly under Gray who sees him playing as a 10 , 8 or even a 6 too .

Gray seems to rate Campbells workrate and versatility.

Big season for him and hopefully he grabs his chance , certainly off to a good start in the first couple of pre-season games ..

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-boss-reveals-ambitious-plans-homegrown-hero-striker-admission-4691359

[Willis1875]

Which means if we are going with a midfield 3 and assuming Newell plays most weeks it’s going to be Campbell,Newell and one other 😫

[MWHIBBIES]

Josh Campbell has basically none of the skills required to play 6. That won't happen.

8 or 10 sure.

[Jones28]

Goalscoring, hard working midfielder. Whats not to like? :aok:

[CentreForward]

The EEN article suggests that he will be a number 10. It also talks in the headline about a new forward and a marquee signing but then nothing mentioned about that in the actual
article!

[Bostonhibby]

Goalscoring, hard working midfielder. Whats not to like? :aok:I'm with you, good prospect who lost his way a bit being used in various positions. I'm giving him the chance in the role SDG envisages.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[tonyrougier123]

Josh Campbell has basically none of the skills required to play 6. That won't happen.

8 or 10 sure.

You’ve got an unhealthy obsession with posting negatively about Josh Campbell.
Everyone knows how you feel about him,don’t you think you should at least let a post or thread stew a while before posting?
Becoming obvious you are on a campaign to shoot down any positivity about the player.
If I was you I’d get used to Josh starting and playing a big part in the side because he’s highly regarded by many including David Gray.

[MWHIBBIES]

You’ve got an unhealthy obsession with posting negatively about Josh Campbell.
Everyone knows how you feel about him,don’t you think you should at least let a post or thread stew a while before posting?
Becoming obvious you are on a campaign to shoot down any positivity about the player.
If I was you I’d get used to Josh starting and playing a big part in the side because he’s highly regarded by many including David Gray.

How about, instead of replying to my username, reply to my post.

Josh Campbell doesn't have the skills to play 6. At all.

He does have to skills to play 8 and 10.

I have no agenda against him. Hard working, good hibby, nice guy. He is not some complete footballer.

Id love for him to play a big part next season.

[hibees 7062]

Goalscoring, hard working midfielder. Whats not to like? :aok:. Exactly right

[wookie70]

Could be the new Pat McGinlay. He reminds me of the way Pat played particularly with arriving late in teh box but having the engine to get back too. Hardworking goal scorers are not 10 a penny

[tonyrougier123]

How about, instead of replying to my username, reply to my post.

Josh Campbell doesn't have the skills to play 6. At all.

He does have to skills to play 8 and 10.

I have no agenda against him. Hard working, good hibby, nice guy. He is not some complete footballer.

Id love for him to play a big part next season.

Actually I see him as 10 mainly box to box,I feel results are better when he plays, I think he tries to take on too much responsibility at times on the park. I feel if he zoned in on his duties he’d be one of the best midfielders we’ve produced in a long long time. I feel also you are very harsh about his technical ability,he’s a fast working fast moving player and at times that can lead to slack play,however I’ve seen him cross and thread some lovely balls. Got to be honest he’s one of my favourite academy players for ages. Love his attitude and work rate. He must be a nightmare to play against loses his man often and breaks free. Also puts pressure on opponents to make quick decisions.
I’m delighted David Gray sees in him what I do.

The potential for the laddie is there to kick on in a big way and I’d personally be offering him a new deal, Lewis Ferguson territory for me could command a big fee in future,or plough away at hibs for his career balls in his court as Gray alluded too.

[hibee-boys]

I’d want to see Josh vastly improve on the ball before I’d want to see him starting in midfield. Much as I respect his work rate and his ability to chip in with a few goals, we really need a more dynamic middle 3. I’d prefer the 10 to have a far better passing ability than Josh, would love him to prove me wrong but I have my doubt.

[supermcginn]

I’d want to see Josh vastly improve on the ball before I’d want to see him starting in midfield. Much as I respect his work rate and his ability to chip in with a few goals, we really need a more dynamic middle 3. I’d prefer the 10 to have a far better passing ability than Josh, would love him to prove me wrong but I have my doubt.

Couldn't agree more, if he is going to be a key player it's going to be a very long season.

[Paul1642]

Despite our midfield not being great last season, I actually feel that between Amos, Newell, Campbell and NMH we have a strong bunch to chose from. It’s the tactics that need to change and I’m feeling positive that David Gray is going to get them right more often than not.

[MWHIBBIES]

Actually I see him as 10 mainly box to box,I feel results are better when he plays, I think he tries to take on too much responsibility at times on the park. I feel if he zoned in on his duties he’d be one of the best midfielders we’ve produced in a long long time. I feel also you are very harsh about his technical ability,he’s a fast working fast moving player and at times that can lead to slack play,however I’ve seen him cross and thread some lovely balls. Got to be honest he’s one of my favourite academy players for ages. Love his attitude and work rate. He must be a nightmare to play against loses his man often and breaks free. Also puts pressure on opponents to make quick decisions.
I’m delighted David Gray sees in him what I do.

The potential for the laddie is there to kick on in a big way and I’d personally be offering him a new deal, Lewis Ferguson territory for me could command a big fee in future,or plough away at hibs for his career balls in his court as Gray alluded too.

You could well be right, but still, not one part of his kit if suited to a deep role. Never seen him play a great long pass, short passing isn't great, gets caught in possession, doesn't hold position. His good attributes are basically causing havoc in the opposition box and closing down.

He could be a good player for us, but never as a 6.

[random sub]

I like Josh. When he is fit and playing well he adds to our midfield. Just needs creative players around him, but I like his work rate and goal threat.

[Hibiza]

Stick in Josh .🤝

[RIP]

Two footed goalscorers who can tackle and head a ball aren't ten a penny. He is a much better bet than the invisible man we keep talking about every transfer window and who, even if he signs, is rarely better, stronger or harder working than Josh.

[PHeffernan]

You could well be right, but still, not one part of his kit if suited to a deep role. Never seen him play a great long pass, short passing isn't great, gets caught in possession, doesn't hold position. His good attributes are basically causing havoc in the opposition box and closing down.

He could be a good player for us, but never as a 6.

This covers it. Campbell is all about disruption of the opposition backline which makes chances for him and others.
I think he is a No.10 running onto the ball.

P.S. Just read the Gray article and he also sees him as 10 so happy days

[JimBHibees]

This covers it. Campbell is all about disruption of the opposition backline which makes chances for him and others.
I think he is a No.10 running onto the ball.

P.S. Just read the Gray article and he also sees him as 10 so happy days

David also said he could play a 6 or 8 also.

[JimBHibees]

I like Josh. When he is fit and playing well he adds to our midfield. Just needs creative players around him, but I like his work rate and goal threat.

So do I. Has been a bit unlucky not to score in a couple of derbies

[CapitalGreen]

David also said he could play a 6 or 8 also.

Just because he said could play there, doesn’t mean he can. We’ve all watched Campbell being played in the “6” position by previous managers and it was a disaster. If he is playing it should be where he performs best and that is further up the pitch.

[hibee-boys]

I really wouldn’t mind Josh playing the 10 role against the Old Firm, and perhaps Hearts, as I would see his job spec a bit different. However, we would definitely need someone better on the ball when we’re trying to unlock defences.

[JimBHibees]

Just because he said could play there, doesn’t mean he can. We’ve all watched Campbell being played in the “6” position by previous managers and it was a disaster. If he is playing it should be where he performs best and that is further up the pitch.

Pretty sure a coach and now manager wouldn’t say it if he didn’t think he could.

[Bridge hibs]

Two footed goalscorers who can tackle and head a ball aren't ten a penny. He is a much better bet than the invisible man we keep talking about every transfer window and who, even if he signs, is rarely better, stronger or harder working than Josh.

Who is the player you are calling the invisible man ?

[Cat Stanton]

Goalscoring, hard working midfielder. Whats not to like? :aok:

What's possibly not to like is that on the evidence so far, he's not very good.

He continually gives the ball away - not a great trait for a midfielder.

And if was any good, other clubs would be taking note. They don't.

And before I get shouted at (like the other person on this thread who clearly doesn't think he's any good either), I'm allowed an opinion!!

I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, especially this season under Gray, but thus far, he's not been good. In my humble opinion etc etc etc....

[CapitalGreen]

Pretty sure a coach and now manager wouldn’t say it if he didn’t think he could.

Do you think managers are infallible?

There have been plenty examples in recent years of Hibs managers thinking players can play in positions they clearly aren’t suited to.

[tonyrougier123]

What's possibly not to like is that on the evidence so far, he's not very good.

He continually gives the ball away - not a great trait for a midfielder.

And if was any good, other clubs would be taking note. They don't.

And before I get shouted at (like the other person on this thread who clearly doesn't think he's any good either), I'm allowed an opinion!!

I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, especially this season under Gray, but thus far, he's not been good. In my humble opinion etc etc etc....

You are allowed an opinion ofcourse,exclamation marks suggests you in fact are the one shouting in here.
I’ll add, that just because your opinion is he isn’t very good doesn’t make it absolute, there’s managers coaches and fellow supporters who all agree that Josh is very very capable indeed.
There is however an unhealthy amount of posts by certain accounts tearing into Josh wherever there’s praise on any thread for the player.

Most of the posts they make end in “but I want him to prove me wrong”
My opinion if I’m allowed is that part in question is complete nonsense,because they wouldn’t be posting incessantly pertaining otherwise if that was the case.

[Johnny_Leith]

You are allowed an opinion ofcourse,exclamation marks suggests you in fact are the one shouting in here.
I’ll add, that just because your opinion is he isn’t very good doesn’t make it absolute, there’s managers coaches and fellow supporters who all agree that Josh is very very capable indeed.
There is however an unhealthy amount of posts by certain accounts tearing into Josh wherever there’s praise on any thread for the player.

Most of the posts they make end in “but I want him to prove me wrong”
My opinion if I’m allowed is that part in question is complete nonsense,because they wouldn’t be posting incessantly pertaining otherwise if that was the case.

Are these posters tearing into josh Campbell in the room with you now?

All I see if folk discussing his ability and merit for being part of the squad. Some folk, like yourself, rate him and others don't.

I think he works hard and had a knack for the odd goal - wouldn't describe him as a goalscoring midfielder - but he's a bit of a ball watcher, is a poor passer, had a poor touch and is one I'd look to move on if an offer came in.

Is that tearing into him?

[B.H.F.C]

If Campbell is to be our most attack minded midfielder, he’ll need to improve a hell of a lot for me. He’s seen as a goal scoring midfielder but in over a hundred games he’s scored in 11 of them.

I accept he’s played different roles but he’s not a young laddie now so he’ll need to find some consistency if he wants to make that position his.

I think it’s a big call from Gray if Campbell is going to be a regular (which I think he will be for him).

[JimBHibees]

Do you think managers are infallible?

There have been plenty examples in recent years of Hibs managers thinking players can play in positions they clearly aren’t suited to.

David is yes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Do you think managers are infallible?

There have been plenty examples in recent years of Hibs managers thinking players can play in positions they clearly aren’t suited to.

:agree:

David gray could say he can play a 6, even Pep Guardiola could say it. He can’t though, much like Rocky Bushiri couldn’t play as a 9.

I don’t think he’s good enough full stop, but if he plays, it has to be as a 10.

[Carheenlea]

Do you think managers are infallible?

There have been plenty examples in recent years of Hibs managers thinking players can play in positions they clearly aren’t suited to.

Watching Campbell for the duaratuon of his time at the club in the first team, I’m pretty confident David Gray will have a sense of where to play him in order to get the best out of his attributes. Hell know what he needs to improve as well, and if Gray has belief that Campbell will play an integral part in his starting 11 then I’m happy to trust his judgement on that.

[Paul1642]

If Campbell is to be our most attack minded midfielder, he’ll need to improve a hell of a lot for me. He’s seen as a goal scoring midfielder but in over a hundred games he’s scored in 11 of them.

I accept he’s played different roles but he’s not a young laddie now so he’ll need to find some consistency if he wants to make that position his.

I think it’s a big call from Gray if Campbell is going to be a regular (which I think he will be for him).

It’s a big call but I think it’s the correct one. We wouldn’t improve on him with a free or cheap transfer. We have money to spend but the amount required to improve on Campbell will be more efficiently used elsewhere.

[BILLYHIBS]

Love Josh Campbell goals plenty of running bags of energy and Hibs daft just like us

Got to agree with the minority on here the young Josh looked a silky player but he returned from loan and looked a totally different player

No first touch passing terrible no awareness of what is happening round about him

I kid you not there was one game towards the end of last season he failed to find a green jersey with his first three passes either out the park or given away to the opposition

Needs to go back to basics and work on his touch and passing but has a way to go imho

Who knows we might have the next Lewis Ferguson on our hands ?

[tonyrougier123]

Are these posters tearing into josh Campbell in the room with you now?

All I see if folk discussing his ability and merit for being part of the squad. Some folk, like yourself, rate him and others don't.

I think he works hard and had a knack for the odd goal - wouldn't describe him as a goalscoring midfielder - but he's a bit of a ball watcher, is a poor passer, had a poor touch and is one I'd look to move on if an offer came in.

Is that tearing into him?

In the room with me now?👀

What you talking about? Baffling chief 😂

The poster across multiple threads saying the same over and over about Campbell is MWHIBBIES it’s quite disconcerting really going to the lengths that poster is going to run a player down.

Your opinion I also think is a bit excessive aye, and you did ask if I thought it was tearing into JC. 12 goals in 68 league appearances and 7 assists isn’t to shabby for a utility midfielder used in multiple areas of the pitch.

[MWHIBBIES]

In the room with me now?👀

What you talking about? Baffling chief 😂

The poster across multiple threads saying the same over and over about Campbell is MWHIBBIES it’s quite disconcerting really going to the lengths that poster is going to run a player down.

Your opinion I also think is a bit excessive aye, and you did ask if I thought it was tearing into JC. 12 goals in 68 league appearances and 7 assists isn’t to shabby for a utility midfielder used in multiple areas of the pitch.


Again, where have I insulted him? I'm just not deluded about his ability. All anyone says is he scores goals and works hard. That's it. I agree with that.

Can I ask why you never compliment his long and short passing, awareness, positional discipline, dribbling etc? It is because he isn't very good at those things?

He's a decent player, better than he was, and does his bit. He isn't as good as Newell and he'll never play 6 in a decent team. Those aren't outlandish statements. More stating obvious facts.

[Johnny_Leith]

In the room with me now?👀

What you talking about? Baffling chief 😂

The poster across multiple threads saying the same over and over about Campbell is MWHIBBIES it’s quite disconcerting really going to the lengths that poster is going to run a player down.

Your opinion I also think is a bit excessive aye, and you did ask if I thought it was tearing into JC. 12 goals in 68 league appearances and 7 assists isn’t to shabby for a utility midfielder used in multiple areas of the pitch.

It's a light-hearted way of pointing out there's nobody on this thread tearing into him saying things like: he's ****ing *****. Couldn't kick his own arse. He's a east if Scotland player. Stuff like that I'd agree is tearing into him. Discussing his strengths and weaknesses like people have in this thread is debating and discussing, at most.

Id suggest blocking any posters you vehemently disagree with, it'll make your life easier.

He's an eye for a goal, needs to be more consistent in his goalscoring to make himself more valuable whilst improving his all round game on the ball, along with his concentration levels. When he's not scoring he doesn't contribute enough imo.

[Smartie]

Love Josh Campbell goals plenty of running bags of energy and Hibs daft just like us

Got to agree with the minority on here the young Josh looked a silky player but he returned from loan and looked a totally different player

No first touch passing terrible no awareness of what is happening round about him

I kid you not there was one game towards the end of last season he failed to find a green jersey with his first three passes either out the park or given away to the opposition

Needs to go back to basics and work on his touch and passing but has a way to go imho

Who knows we might have the next Lewis Ferguson on our hands ?

Pretty sure the game in question was the one at Motherwell.

And was that not his first game back after an age out injured? Could he have been forgiven for being rusty, as sloppy a performance as it was?

Re his scoring record… it must surely be pretty good per minute on the pitch in an advanced position, no? Loads of his appearances will have been off the bench, the odd one at RB, the odd one deeper in midfield etc.

I actually really quite like him in the 10 position and feel that when he plays there we have someone capable of getting close to and beyond the striker.

My issue with him as well is the consistency issue - like others, he has an ability to drop in an absolutely minging performance out of nowhere, such as the start of last season under Johnson - he was all over the shop against St Mirren. When you have both him and Newell in midfield you can have genuine concerns about what happens almost based on what side of bed a couple of key players get out of. And when they play, they are key players.

[CapitalGreen]

Pretty sure the game in question was the one at Motherwell.

And was that not his first game back after an age out injured? Could he have been forgiven for being rusty, as sloppy a performance as it was?

Re his scoring record… it must surely be pretty good per minute on the pitch in an advanced position, no? Loads of his appearances will have been off the bench, the odd one at RB, the odd one deeper in midfield etc.

I actually really quite like him in the 10 position and feel that when he plays there we have someone capable of getting close to and beyond the striker.

My issue with him as well is the consistency issue - like others, he has an ability to drop in an absolutely minging performance out of nowhere, such as the start of last season under Johnson - he was all over the shop against St Mirren. When you have both him and Newell in midfield you can have genuine concerns about what happens almost based on what side of bed a couple of key players get out of. And when they play, they are key players.

:agree: There is areas JC needs to improve on for sure but his goalscoring isn’t one them, his record is very respectable considering he hasn’t always played in an advanced role.

[TrinityHFC]

The EEN article suggests that he will be a number 10. It also talks in the headline about a new forward and a marquee signing but then nothing mentioned about that in the actual
article!

Did you read the whole article? Both discussed towards the end.

[BILLYHIBS]

Pretty sure the game in question was the one at Motherwell.

And was that not his first game back after an age out injured? Could he have been forgiven for being rusty, as sloppy a performance as it was?

Re his scoring record… it must surely be pretty good per minute on the pitch in an advanced position, no? Loads of his appearances will have been off the bench, the odd one at RB, the odd one deeper in midfield etc.

I actually really quite like him in the 10 position and feel that when he plays there we have someone capable of getting close to and beyond the striker.

My issue with him as well is the consistency issue - like others, he has an ability to drop in an absolutely minging performance out of nowhere, such as the start of last season under Johnson - he was all over the shop against St Mirren. When you have both him and Newell in midfield you can have genuine concerns about what happens almost based on what side of bed a couple of key players get out of. And when they play, they are key players.
Don’t have an issue with his goalscoring 15:105

My issue is his ball control touch and passing in general expect better from a professional out for a period or not

I am not seeing what SDG is seeing but happy to be proved wrong

I like Josh love his energy and attitude

Squad player

[Paulie Walnuts]

Love Josh Campbell goals plenty of running bags of energy and Hibs daft just like us

Got to agree with the minority on here the young Josh looked a silky player but he returned from loan and looked a totally different player

No first touch passing terrible no awareness of what is happening round about him

I kid you not there was one game towards the end of last season he failed to find a green jersey with his first three passes either out the park or given away to the opposition

Needs to go back to basics and work on his touch and passing but has a way to go imho

Who knows we might have the next Lewis Ferguson on our hands ?

Josh Campbell had never played a first team game for Hibs until after all his loans?

[BILLYHIBS]

Josh Campbell had never played a first team game for Hibs until after all his loans?

Could swear I saw him Stirling Albion away and Alloa home in the League Cup before going out on loan 2019

Might have imagined it as I said looked like a different player

Got the programmes in the hoose :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Could swear I saw him Stirling Albion away and Alloa home in the League Cup before going out on loan 2019

Might have imagined it as I said looked like a different player

Got the programmes in the hoose :greengrin

You are correct, he played a couple of league cup group games under Hecky before he went on loan to Arbroath then he went on loan again during the Covid season to Edinburgh City.

[BILLYHIBS]

You are correct, he played a couple of league cup group games under Hecky before he went on loan to Arbroath then he went on loan again during the Covid season to Edinburgh City.

👍

Looked like a Kevin Thomson type Stirling away got hooked at half time v Alloa

Friends who are Edinburgh City fans said he was decent and chipped in with a few goals

[Skol]

Monty was called a dinosaur for his 4-4-2 and her we are with gray talking about no 6, 8 and 10

[Paulie Walnuts]

Could swear I saw him Stirling Albion away and Alloa home in the League Cup before going out on loan 2019

Might have imagined it as I said looked like a different player

Got the programmes in the hoose :greengrin

Sorry, you were correct. :aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Monty was called a dinosaur for his 4-4-2 and her we are with gray talking about no 6, 8 and 10

A 6, 8 and 10 are generally not part of a 4-4-2 imo.

If someone talks about a 6 and an 8 then I think of that as a holding midfielder and a box to box. A 10 is an attacking midfielder.

[JohnM1875]

A 6, 8 and 10 are generally not part of a 4-4-2 imo.

If someone talks about a 6 and an 8 then I think of that as a holding midfielder and a box to box. A 10 is an attacking midfielder.

They are part of a 4-4-2 diamond. Just don’t think we’ll be playing that. It’ll be a middle three

[Skol]

A 6, 8 and 10 are generally not part of a 4-4-2 imo.

If someone talks about a 6 and an 8 then I think of that as a holding midfielder and a box to box. A 10 is an attacking midfielder.

To me they are part of a 2-3-5 set up. Something I don’t thin’ I have ever seen played.

[Hibs4185]

David gray has Said he has a plan A,B,C,D.,

Don’t think there is any set formation

[Skol]

Campbell is an attacking midfielder who could also play as a more withdrawn second striker. What number you allocate is irrelevant. He is a 32 iirc.

[BILLYHIBS]

Sorry, you were correct. :aok:
:aok:

[04Sauzee]

A 6, 8 and 10 are generally not part of a 4-4-2 imo.

If someone talks about a 6 and an 8 then I think of that as a holding midfielder and a box to box. A 10 is an attacking midfielder.

Can play a 6 with two 8s and a 10 in a diamond formation. It's how you use your 10

[Paulie Walnuts]

They are part of a 4-4-2 diamond. Just don’t think we’ll be playing that. It’ll be a middle three

Yeah that’s fair. In my head that would be a 6, two 8s and a 10.

If we’re talking about a 6, an 8 (rather than plural 8s) and a 10 though, then that to me is a midfield 3.

[Skol]

Yeah that’s fair. In my head that would be a 6, two 8s and a 10.

If we’re talking about a 6, an 8 (rather than plural 8s) and a 10 though, then that to me is a midfield 3.

And two 9s up front and dont bother with a 7 or an 11?

[tamig]

I think Josh Campbell has some great attributes for the modern game. However, I think he’s a poor passer of the ball and has little football intelligence. Hopefully those aspects of his game have been worked on pre-season as he’d be a different level of player for it. Hopefully will see improvement in the new season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And two 9s up front and dont bother with a 7 or an 11?

To be fair, I’ve no counter argument to your point :greengrin

In my head, those positions when you describe them as numbers are:

6 = DM
8 = box to box CM
10 = AM

But yes, as a 4-4-2, I suppose a 10 would be part of the 2. It’s a completely outdated system though, so I always think of a 10 as being a midfielder nowadays.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think Josh Campbell has some great attributes for the modern game. However, I think he’s a poor passer of the ball and has little football intelligence. Hopefully those aspects of his game have been worked on pre-season as he’d be a different level of player for it. Hopefully will see improvement in the new season.

I think Campbell is underrated by fans tbh , good player imo who's workrate is excellent and can score goals . He seems to get himself into good goalscoring positions which I think shows his football intelligence isn't bad .

As to the 4-2-3-1 formation I think it's quite flexible though with two DM played in it I do wonder if we sign a midfielder would it be another DM...

https://www.coachbetter.com/blog/fundamentals-of-the-4-2-3-1-formation#:~:text=in%20its%20flexibility.-,The%204%2D2%2D3%2D1%20is%20a%20commonly%20used,of fensive%20firepower%20are%20balanced%20well.

[supermcginn]

I think Campbell is underrated by fans tbh , good player imo who's workrate is excellent and can score goals . He seems to get himself into good goalscoring positions which I think shows his football intelligence isn't bad .

As to the 4-2-3-1 formation I think it's quite flexible though with two DM played in it I do wonder if we sign a midfielder would it be another DM...

https://www.coachbetter.com/blog/fundamentals-of-the-4-2-3-1-formation#:~:text=in%20its%20flexibility.-,The%204%2D2%2D3%2D1%20is%20a%20commonly%20used,of fensive%20firepower%20are%20balanced%20well.
He averages a goal every 9 games or something and couldn't get a game most weeks under Monty. If Gray is planning on building a team round him it's a massive risk.

[JimBHibees]

He averages a goal every 9 games or something and couldn't get a game most weeks under Monty. If Gray is planning on building a team round him it's a massive risk.

He as injured for ages during Monty reign

[Stuart93]

We still need a lot better than him in the midfield if we’ve to challenge for 3rd

Decent to bring off the bench

[Shrekko]

I think Josh Campbell has some great attributes for the modern game. However, I think he’s a poor passer of the ball and has little football intelligence. Hopefully those aspects of his game have been worked on pre-season as he’d be a different level of player for it. Hopefully will see improvement in the new season.

Agree.

I was quite a defender of him when he first broke through but been very disappointed in him since - he’s 24 now and none of us are sure exactly what he is.

He’s very indecisive with his passing and invariably end up going back the way.

People talk about him being a hard worker but I don’t see him doing nearly enough particularly when the going gets tough and we need people to stand up and be counted.

If SDG see’s stuff we’ve not yet seen that’s great but I’m far from convinced that he could be a key player in a relatively successful Hibs team.

[basehibby]

Going by this article it looks like Josh Campbell is probably going to be playing regularly under Gray who sees him playing as a 10 , 8 or even a 6 too .

Gray seems to rate Campbells workrate and versatility.

Big season for him and hopefully he grabs his chance , certainly off to a good start in the first couple of pre-season games ..

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-boss-reveals-ambitious-plans-homegrown-hero-striker-admission-4691359

SDG speaks words of wisdom - he knows JC and I agree with his assessment that he could be an important player for us and that attacking midfield is Josh's best position. Campbell has his critics on here but they leave me shaking my head - he's come through the ranks - played for us all over the park and never let us down and is now emerging as a prodigious goal scoring talent - and yet to some he's somehow not good enough?

[MWHIBBIES]

SDG speaks words of wisdom - he knows JC and I agree with his assessment that he could be an important player for us and that attacking midfield is Josh's best position. Campbell has his critics on here but they leave me shaking my head - he's come through the ranks - played for us all over the park and never let us down and is now emerging as a prodigious goal scoring talent - and yet to some he's somehow not good enough?

What do you mean he's never let us down? He's had many stinkers.

[Squealing pig]

Good season for Josh and he’ll be off to juve

[Skol]

I don’t think of them as numbers. Collins and Jackson both wore 10 but played very different roles.

[Donegal Hibby]

SDG speaks words of wisdom - he knows JC and I agree with his assessment that he could be an important player for us and that attacking midfield is Josh's best position. Campbell has his critics on here but they leave me shaking my head - he's come through the ranks - played for us all over the park and never let us down and is now emerging as a prodigious goal scoring talent - and yet to some he's somehow not good enough?

He's played in quite a few positions for us and always given 100% , then again he always does . Good Hibby in all which is a bonus . Even though some don't rate him , Gray certainly seems to rate him highly which is good enough for me .

[Northernhibee]

Josh is an important player for us and far more clever than given credit for. Goals, assists, movement in midfield that none of our other midfield options offer. His assist for Vente against St Johnstone was excellent.

[The Modfather]

I don’t think of them as numbers. Collins and Jackson both wore 10 but played very different roles.

I thought the Jackson’s were a 5?

[Since452]

I really rate Josh. Rate him highly.

[Stuart93]

It would be interesting to see peoples comments on him in the many games we lost last season that he featured in

I’m not having him as the new midfield messiah

[Exuberance1875]

Good player who always contributes something. Must be our best scoring midfielder over the last few years.

[Hiber-nation]

I've a feeling he'll start in the first few games and they'll see how he does. Got some really good attributes but if we have aspirations of challenging for 3rd he has a lot of improving to do. They'll be working on his passing in particular as it's nowhere near good enough.

[JammyDoidger]

He's effective, he might not be the most pleasing on the eye, he doesn't have the big character that engages with the crowd, but what he does have is a knack of scoring goals, in the number 10 he's not going to be threading balls through like Scott Allan did but he is a threat arriving late into the box. Don't mind it.

[easty]

He's effective, he might not be the most pleasing on the eye, he doesn't have the big character that engages with the crowd, but what he does have is a knack of scoring goals, in the number 10 he's not going to be threading balls through like Scott Allan did but he is a threat arriving late into the box. Don't mind it.

For me, we need a Scott Allan type more than we need a Josh Campbell type player in there.

[Eyrie]

For me, we need a Scott Allan type more than we need a Josh Campbell type player in there.

Depends on how Gray intends playing.

Allan would be good if it's possession based but Campbell would be better suited to a counter attacking style.

[JimBHibees]

For me, we need a Scott Allan type more than we need a Josh Campbell type player in there.

Why not both

[easty]

Why not both

What formation has space for both?

[JimBHibees]

3421 or Josh deeper or one of them on bench

[easty]

Depends on how Gray intends playing.

Allan would be good if it's possession based but Campbell would be better suited to a counter attacking style.

I don’t believe for a second we’re going to be set up as a counter attacking team against anyone but Rangers and Celtc.

No danger we’re sitting in and trying to counter the rest.

For me…I’d be content with us being a counter attacking team against everyone if it worked. Points over performances for me. The support as a whole though wouldn’t like it, and Gray knows that.

[easty]

3421 or Josh deeper or one of them on bench

One on the bench is the only way it works.

You need Campbell getting into the box (what he’s good at) or he’s a passenger. He’s not good enough on the ball to be a centre mid. He’s not good enough defensively to be our defensive mid.

[Not In The Know]

If he could just make more of his passes in pressure moments he’d be brilliant.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Depends on how Gray intends playing.

Allan would be good if it's possession based but Campbell would be better suited to a counter attacking style.

Scott Allan wasn’t a possession based footballer. In fact he was the opposite if anything.

He took risks every opportunity he got. The last thing he really done was looked to keep safe possession.

[easty]

4-4-3 ?

No keeper? I like it.

[CentreForward]

I think his goal scoring ability so far is maybe a bit deceptive. It seems maybe like he scores a lot of goals but if you look at his scoring record it isn’t really that great. Still think he has an eye for a goal and I think in the new role that SDG sees for him he may hopefully start scoring quite a few more.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think his goal scoring ability so far is maybe a bit deceptive. It seems maybe like he scores a lot of goals but if you look at his scoring record it isn’t really that great. Still think he has an eye for a goal and I think in the new role that SDG sees for him he may hopefully start scoring quite a few more.

Hopefully he will get a run as an attacking midfielder which will see him scoring quite a few more , over the years he's played in a few positions when needed which probably effected his chances to score in games .

Even in games he doesn't score his workrate and energy will be an asset.

Played a lovely longball to Boyle yesterday so hopefully that side of his game is improving too .

[O'Rourke3]

He's generally worth his place in the team for the goals. It was very clear, when he covered, he cannot play in defence and, while his passing is generally poor, I think his passing will improve if he doesn't try the first thing he thinks of but take a second to consider better possession. He's got a touch of the Fraser Fyvie's where he'll pay a pass that is both intercepted and puts us in deep pooh immediately. Wanting to play the right way with speed - requires better brains sometimes. where he's instinctively good is in front of goal.

[Eyrie]

Scott Allan wasn’t a possession based footballer. In fact he was the opposite if anything.

He took risks every opportunity he got. The last thing he really done was looked to keep safe possession.

If you're playing possession then the opposition will have an organised defence which is exactly why you need Allan's vision and ability to create chances with a risky pass when the opportunity arises. Otherwise there is no point to having all the possession.

[B.H.F.C]

I think his goal scoring ability so far is maybe a bit deceptive. It seems maybe like he scores a lot of goals but if you look at his scoring record it isn’t really that great. Still think he has an eye for a goal and I think in the new role that SDG sees for him he may hopefully start scoring quite a few more.

He’s played in over a hundred games and scored in 11 of them.

We will need more than what we’ll get from Campbell in that position IMO. I think he’s capable of chipping in here and there but I don’t think he offers enough in the game to be the main link middle to front.

[Up-the-slope]

He’s played in over a hundred games and scored in 11 of them.

We will need more than what we’ll get from Campbell in that position IMO. I think he’s capable of chipping in here and there but I don’t think he offers enough in the game to be the main link middle to front.

That stats a bit disingenuous though. How many of the games has he played as a 10? and not as RB / wide right / wide left / sitting?

A fully pre season fit, injury free JC played in an attacking position in a settled team will make a major contribution if those caveats transpire.

I do think that for some reason as Hibs supporters our home grown talent often seems to get a harder time than those we sign, rather than being cheered on for being 'one of our own'

[MWHIBBIES]

That stats a bit disingenuous though. How many of the games has he played as a 10? and not as RB / wide right / wide left / sitting?

A fully pre season fit, injury free JC played in an attacking position in a settled team will make a major contribution if those caveats transpire.

I do think that for some reason as Hibs supporters our home grown talent often seems to get a harder time than those we sign, rather than being cheered on for being 'one of our own'

Our home grown talent gets a far easier time than those we sign. I've never seen a home grown player take anything like the personal abuse Rocky, Newell (first 6 months)Lee Johnson, Hecky, Doidge, kamberi etc took.

Campbell is only ever given stick for the clear flaws in his game. He is also almost always complimented by the same people for the 2 things he does do, scores and grafts.

[Donegal Hibby]

Our home grown talent gets a far easier time than those we sign. I've never seen a home grown player take anything like the personal abuse Rocky, Newell (first 6 months)Lee Johnson, Hecky, Doidge, kamberi etc took.

Campbell is only ever given stick for the clear flaws in his game. He is also almost always complimented by the same people for the 2 things he does do, scores and grafts.

I remember questioning Rocky's distribution years ago and another hibby said to me if he was good at everything we wouldn't have him , most of the players we have has some sort of flaws or weaknesses in their game though some players are highlighted by fans due to having their own favourites and ones they aren't as keen on .

Abit like you liking Newell and me Campbell so to speak .... Both good players with flaws and weaknesses though.


https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-campbell/leistungsdaten/spieler/482802

[B.H.F.C]

That stats a bit disingenuous though. How many of the games has he played as a 10? and not as RB / wide right / wide left / sitting?

A fully pre season fit, injury free JC played in an attacking position in a settled team will make a major contribution if those caveats transpire.

I do think that for some reason as Hibs supporters our home grown talent often seems to get a harder time than those we sign, rather than being cheered on for being 'one of our own'

I’d say most of his games he’s been the more attacking one of the midfield. He’s filled in here and there in different positions but more often than not he’s played in a more forward thinking role.

I just don’t think he has the skill set to play week in, week out as our number 10. Especially in home games when teams just sit in and let us pass the ball about in front of him. I think some of his better games have been against Rangers/Celtic when he’s had a job to do without the ball as much as anything.

There are folk that talk about him going for millions and things like that and I just find it mad. For me, I think he probably has a place in the squad because he has contributed at times. But if two thirds of our midfield is a Campbell and Newell then I’ll expect a bit more of the same.

[Brooster]

Josh is going to be a big player for us this season. He gets goals and assists and is box to box. Good luck Josh, I like you.

[Sioux]

That stats a bit disingenuous though. How many of the games has he played as a 10? and not as RB / wide right / wide left / sitting?

A fully pre season fit, injury free JC played in an attacking position in a settled team will make a major contribution if those caveats transpire.

I do think that for some reason as Hibs supporters our home grown talent often seems to get a harder time than those we sign, rather than being cheered on for being 'one of our own'

This Hibs.net myth that a 'full pre-season' will turn average players into Messi is getting beyond a joke.

[WestStandWillie]

There are similarities between Campbell and Stevenson.

Both came through ranks
Both played in numerous positions
Both targeted by the "experts" in our support.

Gray really likes Campbell and knows his best position having played, coached and now managed him.

Big season for him coming up!

[easty]

There are similarities between Campbell and Stevenson.

Both came through ranks
Both played in numerous positions
Both targeted by the "experts" in our support.

Gray really likes Campbell and knows his best position having played, coached and now managed him.

Big season for him coming up!

I don't think Gray and Campbell ever played together.

Are the "experts" just anyone that disagrees with you aye?

[Donegal Hibby]

But if two thirds of our midfield is a Campbell and Newell then I’ll expect a bit more of the same.

Early days I know but the last 3 games have been encouraging , especially the fact we have kept 3 clean sheets . Last season we didn't look like we were capable of keeping a clean sheet.

It's the same midfield and the squad is pretty much the same apart from adding only 3 players to it so far . Maybe down to Gray changing our structure and making us more solid?

I'd like to see us add another player to the midfield though Campbell, Newell, Amos and NMW should be as good as anything outside the OF i think.

I'm hoping Gray will get the best out of Campbell playing him in his best position and giving him a run of games .

I think Campbell is going to be an important player for us this season in truth

[MWHIBBIES]

There are similarities between Campbell and Stevenson.

Both came through ranks
Both played in numerous positions
Both targeted by the "experts" in our support.

Gray really likes Campbell and knows his best position having played, coached and now managed him.

Big season for him coming up!

Absolutely no one is targeting Campbell.

[tonyrougier123]

Absolutely no one is targeting Campbell.

You definitely are. Debating players worth and ability is all fine and well but your approach to Josh Campbell is unreasonably weighted with criticism,almost any mention of him in a positive light your in there spouting same stuff over and over. I wonder why you feel that need tbh. You’re all over any positivity towards Josh. There’s plenty examples of good technical play by Campbell,does he need to apply it more consistently? Ofcourse,and no one will know that more than himself,but I’ve seen you say he doesn’t have the ability at all which is just absurd really.

[tamig]

Early days I know but the last 3 games have been encouraging , especially the fact we have kept 3 clean sheets . Last season we didn't look like we were capable of keeping a clean sheet.

It's the same midfield and the squad is pretty much the same apart from adding only 3 players to it so far . Maybe down to Gray changing our structure and making us more solid?

I'd like to see us add another player to the midfield though Campbell, Newell, Amos and NMW should be as good as anything outside the OF i think.

I'm hoping Gray will get the best out of Campbell playing him in his best position and giving him a run of games .

I think Campbell is going to be an important player for us this season in truth
Seriously? Thats some statement. Not a chance that 4 are as good as anything outside the OF. We need at least another two quality midfielders before such claims can be made. IMO.

[MWHIBBIES]

You definitely are. Debating players worth and ability is all fine and well but your approach to Josh Campbell is unreasonably weighted with criticism,almost any mention of him in a positive light your in there spouting same stuff over and over. I wonder why you feel that need tbh. You’re all over any positivity towards Josh. There’s plenty examples of good technical play by Campbell,does he need to apply it more consistently? Ofcourse,and no one will know that more than himself,but I’ve seen you say he doesn’t have the ability at all which is just absurd really.

I am not targeting him, no.

You'll have no problem finding me the posts where I say he doesn't have the ability at all I assume?

He's okay. He scores a few goals and works hard. It's enough in some games, not enough in others. Even his biggest fans can really only come up with those 2 things as his strengths. He's better than he was 2 years ago.

[supermcginn]

Seriously? Thats some statement. Not a chance that 4 are as good as anything outside the OF. We need at least another two quality midfielders before such claims can be made. IMO.

Totally agree, if Maolida hadn't signed in January we would probably have been in a relegation play off with that midfield. I wouldn't be sad to see any of them go never mind claim they are 3rd beat in Scotland.

[Donegal Hibby]

Seriously? Thats some statement. Not a chance that 4 are as good as anything outside the OF. We need at least another two quality midfielders before such claims can be made. IMO.

I did say I'd like to add another , hertz last game they had a midfield of Oda , Baningime , Devlin and McKay. Killie had guys like Fraser Murray , Mackay Stevens, Polworth , McKenzie in theirs..

St Mirren have been playing players like Gogic , Tanser etc ..

Are players like NMW , Amos ,Cadden , Campbell , Newell that much poorer than some of the other teams players ?

Depending who we can move out , another addition to midfield and I don't think we will be far away tbh.

[ancient hibee]

I did say I'd like to add another , hertz last game they had a midfield of Oda , Baningime , Devlin and McKay. Killie had guys like Fraser Murray , Mackay Stevens, Polworth , McKenzie in theirs..

St Mirren have been playing players like Gogic , Tanser etc ..

Are players like NMW , Amos ,Cadden , Campbell , Newell that much poorer than some of the other teams players ?

Depending who we can move out , another addition to midfield and I don't think we will be far away tbh.
And all these teams with inferior midfielders finished where in relation to us?

[Donegal Hibby]

And all these teams with inferior midfielders finished where in relation to us?

I didn't say they were inferior though , I said ours SHOULD be as good as the other teams outside the OF . Imo some of the teams that finished above us would gladly have some of our midfielders too .

[blackpoolhibs]

Seriously? Thats some statement. Not a chance that 4 are as good as anything outside the OF. We need at least another two quality midfielders before such claims can be made. IMO.

I know i've spouted some rubbish on here, but that midfield as it stands is average at best.

[Donegal Hibby]

I am not targeting him, no.

You'll have no problem finding me the posts where I say he doesn't have the ability at all I assume?

He's okay. He scores a few goals and works hard. It's enough in some games, not enough in others. Even his biggest fans can really only come up with those 2 things as his strengths. He's better than he was 2 years ago.

If he's going to be doing the shift that Gray is expecting him to do then it is enough in games imo and you need your other midfielders to also contribute.

Good energy levels and ability to get into good goalscoring positions another two btw .

[superfurryhibby]

I know i've spouted some rubbish on here, but that midfield as it stands is average at best.

Aside from Amos (who we can't say much about, other than he's had injuries and previously played at good level) and NMW (who is young and will develop into a better player, no doubt about it). I would agree, the rest of our midfielders are all pretty average. Any of them could find a new club and it would be no huge loss in terms developing this side.

Campbell can get a goal and that's something none of the rest can offer. He's not ever going to be a midfield maestro though.

[Brooster]

Another good performance from Josh. Was standing right behind his through ball for Boyle to score, a brilliant assist.

[Donegal Hibby]

Another good performance from Josh. Was standing right behind his through ball for Boyle to score, a brilliant assist.

That through ball he played to Boyle was excellent , as you say another good performance from Josh who I think is a player that's underrated at times .

[tonyrougier123]

That through ball he played to Boyle was excellent , as you say another good performance from Josh who I think is a player that's underrated at times .

That canny be right? I keep getting told Josh canny pass a ball let alone play a neat through ball onto a rapid player that scores. Must’ve been Joe Newell Dylan Levitt camera angle was mince. 🙄

[MWHIBBIES]

That canny be right? I keep getting told Josh canny pass a ball let alone play a neat through ball onto a rapid player that scores. Must’ve been Joe Newell Dylan Levitt camera angle was mince. 🙄

You ever heard of sample size?

No one said he cannot pass. Most of the time his passing is poor, though. As the stats clearly show.

It's a ****ing league 2 team mind. I wouldn't be gloating about him being able to pass against painters and posties.

[Brooster]

That canny be right? I keep getting told Josh canny pass a ball let alone play a neat through ball onto a rapid player that scores. Must’ve been Joe Newell Dylan Levitt camera angle was mince. 🙄

Spot on. Some folk on here can't even acknowledge that, itching for him to fail. Strange behaviour.

[tonyrougier123]

You ever heard of sample size?

No one said he cannot pass. Most of the time his passing is poor, though. As the stats clearly show.

It's a ****ing league 2 team mind. I wouldn't be gloating about him being able to pass against painters and posties.

Knew you’d be right on my comment. You need to give it a rest I mean that respectfully bud,even when you have proof of intelligence in his game you’re in denial.

[MWHIBBIES]

Spot on. Some folk on here can't even acknowledge that, itching for him to fail. Strange behaviour.

Who wants him to fail? Not seen any posts like that?


Knew you’d be right on my comment. You need to give it a rest I mean that respectfully bud,even when you have proof of intelligence in his game you’re in denial.

I am going to try and spell this out really clearly okay. Please read every word before replying.

I, and no one else on here, have ever claimed he has no intelligence in his game. He is good at making runs into the box, he is a decent finisher, he works hard. No one has ever EVER said otherwise.

He is an average at best passer (often poor), is quite poor at times technically, and quite rightly, he should be expected to improve these things, as they are essential for any decent midfielder to have and be good at.

There is no agenda, no denial and no one itching for him to fail. Just a honest assessment of his strengths and weaknesses.

[tonyrougier123]

Who wants him to fail? Not seen any posts like that?



I am going to try and spell this out really clearly okay. Please read every word before replying.

I, and no one else on here, have ever claimed he has no intelligence in his game. He is good at making runs into the box, he is a decent finisher, he works hard. No one has ever EVER said otherwise.

He is an average at best passer (often poor), is quite poor at times technically, and quite rightly, he should be expected to improve these things, as they are essential for any decent midfielder to have and be good at.

There is no agenda, no denial and no one itching for him to fail. Just a honest assessment of his strengths and weaknesses.

👍🏻

[Donegal Hibby]

That canny be right? I keep getting told Josh canny pass a ball let alone play a neat through ball onto a rapid player that scores. Must’ve been Joe Newell Dylan Levitt camera angle was mince. 🙄

We hear the " he can't pass " lack of football intelligence " remarks about Josh though he does things like the through ball to boyle and this 2:54 in which shows he's a good player .:aok:

https://youtu.be/MAbstZE-N94?si=ALrYz5LNV7NLzUZx

[Brightside]

You ever heard of sample size?

No one said he cannot pass. Most of the time his passing is poor, though. As the stats clearly show.

It's a ****ing league 2 team mind. I wouldn't be gloating about him being able to pass against painters and posties.

"most of the time". No. It's simply not. So no point talking about sample size if you are just going to make up stats.

[RIP]

Totally agree, if Maolida hadn't signed in January we would probably have been in a relegation play off with that midfield. I wouldn't be sad to see any of them go never mind claim they are 3rd beat in Scotland.

I loved John McGinn.

But honestly. You would be happy to lose the 2023 supporters' and players' POTY, who was awarded several MOM performances last season and who SDG has just appointed Club Captain?

In days past, a supporter was someone who backed the players who the club had put their faith in. Nowadays, we have a new breed of 'fans' who constantly hanker for the invisible men who they try and convince us we need to sign so that we can get rid of proven players like Joe Newell.

It will be a long season if we are to read posts talking down our players.

[CapitalGreen]

Harry McKirdy scored a cracker from 30 yards last week against Edinburgh City, just proves that he’s actually a brilliant finisher and deserving of a starting place when we face top flight teams every week. That goal was one in the eye for all those who said he wasn’t good enough and lacked the ability to play upfront for us, anyone who says otherwise clearly has an agenda and just wants him to fail.

[MWHIBBIES]

"most of the time". No. It's simply not. So no point talking about sample size if you are just going to make up stats.

I didn't post a stat. I gave my opinion on his passing. The stats from last season show his passing up be the poorest of our central midfielders, though.

[supermcginn]

I loved John McGinn.

But honestly. You would be happy to lose the 2023 supporters' and players' POTY, who was awarded several MOM performances last season and who SDG has just appointed Club Captain?

In days past, a supporter was someone who backed the players who the club had put their faith in. Nowadays, we have a new breed of 'fans' who constantly hanker for the invisible men who they try and convince us we need to sign so that we can get rid of proven players like Joe Newell.

It will be a long season if we are to read posts talking down our players.

Whee do you think we would have finished if Maolida hadn't signed?

[Brightside]

I didn't post a stat. I gave my opinion on his passing. The stats from last season show his passing up be the poorest of our central midfielders, though.

"Most of the time his passing is poor". So that means more than 50% of his passing is poor. Can you accept thats nonsense?

[Chipper1875]

Harry McKirdy scored a cracker from 30 yards last week against Edinburgh City, just proves that he’s actually a brilliant finisher and deserving of a starting place when we face top flight teams every week. That goal was one in the eye for all those who said he wasn’t good enough and lacked the ability to play upfront for us, anyone who says otherwise clearly has an agenda and just wants him to fail.

Anyone of us could
Get lucky and score a peach . Mckirdy Is a very poor player and will never make it at hibs .

Benny Brazil played midfield and scored a great hat trick , he was never the answer to a box to box midfielder

[Chipper1875]

He’s played in over a hundred games and scored in 11 of them.

We will need more than what we’ll get from Campbell in that position IMO. I think he’s capable of chipping in here and there but I don’t think he offers enough in the game to be the main link middle to front.

SDG has already said he’s not that type
Of 10. He’s a runner at a ratter . If he’s played in a role to match his strengths, he’ll do well. He’s never going to be a latapy.

[MWHIBBIES]

"Most of the time his passing is poor". So that means more than 50% of his passing is poor. Can you accept thats nonsense?
No.

His passing is poor in at least half the games he plays imo. I've basically never come away from a match thinking his passing was good/great. His strengths are elsewhere.

[KWJ]

The stats of his overall career don't really paint the picture of who he is now. He's scored 14 goals in the past 2 seasons where I wouldn't say he's spent much time as a first choice player. In that time he's got a goal pretty much every 3 games (90 minutes).

I wouldn't say he's a great player but there's no need to punch down on him.

[Brightside]

No.

His passing is poor in at least half the games he plays imo. I've basically never come away from a match thinking his passing was good/great. His strengths are elsewhere.

So are we now greater than 50% of passing in more than 50% of games is poor? Basically the truth is he makes some poor passes in games. As do plenty others.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So are we now greater than 50% of passing in more than 50% of games is poor? Basically the truth is he makes some poor passes in games. As do plenty others.

Being above 50% in terms of pass completion is absolutely nothing to brag about. If you got 60% pass completion in 100% of games you’d be well above your 50 and 50 threshold, yet you’d be having an absolute shocker. You surely can’t be at the point of claiming that simply completing more passes than you don’t is a success.

My work allows wiggle room for me to make errors. It sure as hell isn’t set at 50% though.

[Brightside]

Being above 50% in terms of pass completion is absolutely nothing to brag about. If you got 60% pass completion in 100% of games you’d be well above your 50 and 50 threshold, yet you’d be having an absolute shocker. You surely can’t be at the point of claiming that simply completing more passes than you don’t is a success.

My work allows wiggle room for me to make errors. It sure as hell isn’t set at 50% though.

You’ve totally missed the point. Someone said most of his passing is poor. That’s just utter nonsense.

[MWHIBBIES]

You’ve totally missed the point. Someone said most of his passing is poor. That’s just utter nonsense.

In most games, his passing is poor. That's not nonsense.

[CapitalGreen]

You’ve totally missed the point. Someone said most of his passing is poor. That’s just utter nonsense.

No they didn’t - they said his passing is poor most of the time not most of his passing is poor. He’s statistically the worst passer amongst central midfielders at the club by a significant margin - that means more often than not his passing will be below average in comparison to his midfield teammates.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You’ve totally missed the point. Someone said most of his passing is poor. That’s just utter nonsense.

I think it’s you that’s missed the point.

Josh Campbells passing is poor in more games than not.

[Unseen work]

I think Josh has a good range of passing with both feet

He is frustrating at times as he tries to force it or play too quick it effects his decision making.

One thing though he never seems to get any credit for his good passes. Plays multiple good passes a game.

He could quite easily keep it simple for 90 minutes if he wants a higher pass %. He doesn’t want to play safe though.

[Brightside]

I think it’s you that’s missed the point.

Josh Campbells passing is poor in more games than not.

That makes no sense at all. I hope none of you work in any industry that requires data analysis.

You aren't quantifying anything at all. Just saying words.

[Brightside]

I think Josh has a good range of passing with both feet

He is frustrating at times as he tries to force it or play too quick it effects his decision making.

One thing though he never seems to get any credit for his good passes. Plays multiple good passes a game.

He could quite easily keep it simple for 90 minutes if he wants a higher pass %. He doesn’t want to play safe though.

Exactly.

[BILLYHIBS]

In his last two games in the Premiership last season Josh Campbell had an 80% accuracy success rate Livingston away and 71% Motherwell home in his passing

I think this is fair

My naked eye tells me Josh Campbell is a poor passer of the ball but I have seen signs of encouragement under SDG in his overall play in the snippets I have seen

Will get a better idea against tougher opposition on Tuesday night

Not having a pop I like Josh has other attributes but if he can improve his passing win win

Source :

Sofascore

[Paulie Walnuts]

That makes no sense at all. I hope none of you work in any industry that requires data analysis.

You aren't quantifying anything at all. Just saying words.

Josh Campbells passing is poor in more games than not.

If you can’t make sense of that very simple statement then there’s not a lot anyone can do to help clear it up for you.

[BILLYHIBS]

Josh Campbells passing is poor in more games than not.

If you can’t make sense of that very simple statement then there’s not a lot anyone can do to help clear it up for you.

His first three passes Motherwell home went awry for no apparent reason apart from poor play but he managed to claw that back to 71% success rate against a defeated side

We all want him to improve and do better the only way is up

[Brightside]

Josh Campbells passing is poor in more games than not.

If you can’t make sense of that very simple statement then there’s not a lot anyone can do to help clear it up for you.

That is completely subjective and has no basis in fact. A few people have created a negative view point on him and others have just jumped on that without taking into effect all factors. It's just silly.

He makes poor passes. His passing isn't poor. If you can't figure out the difference it's best not to comment. :wink:

[J-C]

Love these threads where I only see half of the replies.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That is completely subjective and has no basis in fact. A few people have created a negative view point on him and others have just jumped on that without taking into effect all factors. It's just silly.

He makes poor passes. His passing isn't poor. If you can't figure out the difference it's best not to comment. :wink:

Your second paragraph is also completely subjective and has no basis in fact.

His pass completion is guff, as are other passing stats. That’s the closest thing you’re getting to a fact when it comes to passing. The rest of it is always going to be subjective.

I’m absolutely able to figure out the difference between playing poor passes and his passing being poor. Every player in the world makes poor passes. I’ve seen Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets all make poor passes. Not every player in the world’s passing is poor though. Josh Campbell falls into both categories. Statistics tell us that, and so do our eyes.

[Fergus52]

I think Josh has a good range of passing with both feet

He is frustrating at times as he tries to force it or play too quick it effects his decision making.

One thing though he never seems to get any credit for his good passes. Plays multiple good passes a game.

He could quite easily keep it simple for 90 minutes if he wants a higher pass %. He doesn’t want to play safe though.

It's not just his pass completion rate that's poor though, his chances created and progressive passes per 90 are also well below our other CMs.

If what you said was true then he'd rank highly in those metrics too.

Campbell has his strengths but his passing is a real weakness

[MWHIBBIES]

It's not just his pass completion rate that's poor though, his chances created and progressive passes per 90 are also well below our other CMs.

If what you said was true then he'd rank highly in those metrics too.

Campbell has his strengths but his passing is a real weakness

Yep. Literally everything points to his passing being below average. It's really not up for argument.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

“Studies show that 60% of the time, his passes work each time.”

[04Sauzee]

Yep. Literally everything points to his passing being below average. It's really not up for argument.

Genuinely interested here, what is average? How far below average is he? Is he a safe passer in his own half but tries to force it in the opposition half ?What centile is he on in midfield passing stats? I'm sure there are stats out there I'm just genuinely interested.

Would love to know how he compares to a Luke McCowan for example. Probably different profile of player mind.

[Brightside]

Notice the subtle ongoing change in language now. :greengrin

It does appear that Josh has now taken on the Paul Hanlon mantle.

Needs 5 great games for people to appreciate him and one poor to go back to square one again. Anyone sticking up for him on here is doing so fully aware of his limitations. But the "poor passer" narrative is just the usual negativity from posters who live and breathe negativity. Find something to smile about once in a while.

[Brooster]

Genuinely interested here, what is average? How far below average is he? Is he a safe passer in his own half but tries to force it in the opposition half ?What centile is he on in midfield passing stats? I'm sure there are stats out there I'm just genuinely interested.

Would love to know how he compares to a Luke McCowan for example. Probably different profile of player mind.

Can't you read? It's really not up for argument haha.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Notice the subtle ongoing change in language now. :greengrin

It does appear that Josh has now taken on the Paul Hanlon mantle.

Needs 5 great games for people to appreciate him and one poor to go back to square one again. Anyone sticking up for him on here is doing so fully aware of his limitations. But the "poor passer" narrative is just the usual negativity from posters who live and breathe negativity. Find something to smile about once in a while.

All the statistics point to him being a poor passer yet you claim he isn’t. I’m not sure you can claim to be fully aware of his limitations when you’re denying those very same limitations exist.

[Brightside]

All the statistics point to him being a poor passer yet you claim he isn’t. I’m not sure you can claim to be fully aware of his limitations when you’re denying those very same limitations exist.

What percentage is a poor passer. If more than half are good passes how can he be a poor passer? I think I saw someone mentioned 68% completion. Which to me would be pretty decent for his area of the pitch as he tends to play forward and quick more than most.

Luke Mccowan is 70%
Danny Armstong is 61%
Scott Allan was 72% in season 19/20

So I'd suggest he is in the right area.

[Alfred E Newman]

All the statistics point to him being a poor passer yet you claim he isn’t. I’m not sure you can claim to be fully aware of his limitations when you’re denying those very same limitations exist.

If Josh Campbell had all the attributes required by some posters on here he wouldn't be playing for Hibs. The season hasn't really started yet and the poor guy is already being singled out for criticism, it's pathetic.

[MWHIBBIES]

Notice the subtle ongoing change in language now. :greengrin

It does appear that Josh has now taken on the Paul Hanlon mantle.

Needs 5 great games for people to appreciate him and one poor to go back to square one again. Anyone sticking up for him on here is doing so fully aware of his limitations. But the "poor passer" narrative is just the usual negativity from posters who live and breathe negativity. Find something to smile about once in a while.

No, Paul Hanlon was a consistently excellent player for Hibs. Nothing like Josh.

You're just arguing against cold hard stats now. He doesn't create much, and he gives it away too often. The only conclusion is he's below average at passing.

[MWHIBBIES]

Can't you read? It's really not up for argument haha.

Haha hehe

If he is below average at creating chances, short passing and long passing, he is just giving the ball away.

If he was exceptional at creating but had 50% pass success, I'd be delighted. He is not.

[MWHIBBIES]

If Josh Campbell had all the attributes required by some posters on here he wouldn't be playing for Hibs. The season hasn't really started yet and the poor guy is already being singled out for criticism, it's pathetic.

He is not being singled out. It's a ****ing thread about him, where everyone is discussing him, and his good and bad points.

No one is debating his strengths, and his fan club cannot accept his clear weaknesses. That's all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What percentage is a poor passer. If more than half are good passes how can he be a poor passer? I think I saw someone mentioned 68% completion. Which to me would be pretty decent for his area of the pitch as he tends to play forward and quick more than most.

Luke Mccowan is 70%
Danny Armstong is 61%
Scott Allan was 72% in season 19/20

So I'd suggest he is in the right area.

If 50% or above is your definition of a decent passer then there’s little point in continuing the conversation.

[KeithTheHibby]

If 50% or above is your definition of a decent passer then there’s little point in continuing the conversation.

Brightside posted some pretty damning stats comparing him to other top performers in the SPFL which are hard to argue with.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Brightside posted some pretty damning stats comparing him to other top performers in the SPFL which are hard to argue with.

The stats don’t take into account the fact that those guys perform well in other passing metrics. Josh Campbell doesn’t. Danny Armstrong for example had more assists last season than Josh Campbell has managed in his entire Hibs career.

Just to be clear, this isn’t a suggestion that Josh Campbell is an all round terrible footballer. His passing is his absolute glaring weakness though. Statistics tell us that, but so does simply watching him.

[easty]

Notice the subtle ongoing change in language now. :greengrin

It does appear that Josh has now taken on the Paul Hanlon mantle.

Needs 5 great games for people to appreciate him and one poor to go back to square one again. Anyone sticking up for him on here is doing so fully aware of his limitations. But the "poor passer" narrative is just the usual negativity from posters who live and breathe negativity. Find something to smile about once in a while.

Not everyone that doesn't particularly rate Campbell, didn't rate Hanlon. I was a massive Hanlon fan, and I'd have kept him here.


What percentage is a poor passer. If more than half are good passes how can he be a poor passer? I think I saw someone mentioned 68% completion. Which to me would be pretty decent for his area of the pitch as he tends to play forward and quick more than most.

Luke Mccowan is 70%
Danny Armstong is 61%
Scott Allan was 72% in season 19/20

So I'd suggest he is in the right area.

I'm not really interested in those passing stats to be honest though, I don't need stats to tell me all those 3 players are far better than Josh Campbell.

It's not that I'd be rushing to get Josh out of Hibs, as there are plenty we have I'd want to shift before him, but he's not a player that I imagine playing regularly in a successful Hibs team going forward. I dinnae see the player you and others must, at all. I see a guy who I'm not convinced would start at many other SPL clubs. Not all your players have to be first team regular quality though.

[Brightside]

If 50% or above is your definition of a decent passer then there’s little point in continuing the conversation.

You’ve changed the language again. You said he was a poor passer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You’ve changed the language again. You said he was a poor passer.

And you said he couldn’t be a poor passer as he completed more than 50% of his passes, hence why I said decent. If he’s not poor in your opinion, because he completed over 50% of his passes, then he presumably is at worst, a decent passer. It’s not really hard to follow.

[Brightside]

And you said he couldn’t be a poor passer as he completed more than 50% of his passes, hence why I said decent. If he’s not poor in your opinion, because he completed over 50% of his passes, then he presumably is at worst, a decent passer. It’s not really hard to follow.

His passing completion is similar to most Scottish league players in his role. So does that mean that they are all poor passers. He completed 68%

[Paulie Walnuts]

His passing completion is similar to most Scottish league players in his role. So does that mean that they are all poor passers. He completed 68%

Again though, he falls short in all passing metrics. The others don’t.

Danny Armstrong can point to more assists and key passes last season than Campbell has managed in his entire Hibs career. Scott Allan 19/20 can point to one less in that one season than Campbell in his entire Hibs career. Luke McCowan can also point to a better rate of assists and more
Key passes. You don’t have to be good in all metrics, but you have to be good in some. If you’re not, then that suggests you’re not a very good passer.

[Brightside]

Again though, he falls short in all passing metrics. The others don’t.

Danny Armstrong can point to more assists last season than Campbell has managed in his entire Hibs career. Scott Allan 19/20 can point to one less in that one season than Campbell in his entire Hibs career. You don’t have to be good in all metrics, but you have to be good in some. If you’re not, then that suggests you’re not a very good passer.

Wow.....hang on. So if Hibs don't score from any of his passes this season that means hes a poor passer? So its no longer pass completion is it now about if it hits the highlights package on a Sunday night?

You are creating your on stats to create an image of failure. Ive just said his passing percentage is very similar to other attacking midfielders... now that doesn't count as their team scored more goals?

If he has more turnovers in a game than say Armstrong....does that make him better.

btw when / if we sign McCowan - who I really want - be prepared for similiar poor passing.

[CapitalGreen]

What percentage is a poor passer. If more than half are good passes how can he be a poor passer? I think I saw someone mentioned 68% completion. Which to me would be pretty decent for his area of the pitch as he tends to play forward and quick more than most.

Luke Mccowan is 70%
Danny Armstong is 61%
Scott Allan was 72% in season 19/20

So I'd suggest he is in the right area.

You are comparing him to players who cross the ball a lot which is always going to pull a players passing accuracy down.

McCowan - 2.4 crosses p90
Armstrong - 10.7 crosses p90

Campbell - 0.7 crosses p90

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wow.....hang on. So if Hibs don't score from any of his passes this season that means hes a poor passer? So its no longer pass completion is it now about if it hits the highlights package on a Sunday night?

You are creating your on stats to create an image of failure. Ive just said his passing percentage is very similar to other attacking midfielders... now that doesn't count as their team scored more goals?

If he has more turnovers in a game than say Armstrong....does that make him better.

btw when / if we sign McCowan - who I really want - be prepared for similiar poor passing.

Who said anything doesn’t count:faf: I’ve said numerous times that all his passing stats combined create a picture of a poor passer, which is really the opposite of claiming things don’t count.

Every passing stat of Campbells is poor to average. There isn’t one he excels in. It’s the glaring deficiency in his game.

[Brightside]

You are comparing him to players who cross the ball a lot which is always going to pull a players passing accuracy down.

McCowan - 2.4 crosses p90
Armstrong - 10.7 crosses p90

Campbell - 0.7 crosses p90

mccowan is the closest player I could think of at our level that plays in the area Josh does.

[Brightside]

Who said anything doesn’t count? :faf:

Every passing stat of Campbells is poor to average. There isn’t one he excels in. It’s the glaring deficiency in his game.

Ah - so we are now up to potentially average... We are making progress. :wink:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm losing the will to live. 🤭

[Donegal Hibby]

If Josh Campbell had all the attributes required by some posters on here he wouldn't be playing for Hibs. The season hasn't really started yet and the poor guy is already being singled out for criticism, it's pathetic.

We have played four games so far and Josh has 2 goals and 1 assist which is a pretty good start for a midfielder , the assist he got was a brilliantly played through ball to Boyle which most of our other midfielders would have been proud of and is probably the reason some are digging their heels in now in their original assessment that he can't pass the ball.

Gray has him in the team because of his strengths in energy, workrate , ability to get in good goalscoring positions/ goals which regularly doesn't get mentioned as some are more determined to look for the negatives in his game than the positives.

Really don't get the criticism a good player and good Hibby like Josh gets on here .

[Brightside]

We have played four games so far and Josh has 2 goals and 1 assist which is a pretty good start for a midfielder , the assist he got was a brilliantly played through ball to Boyle which most of our other midfielders would have been proud of and is probably the reason some are digging their heels in now in their original assessment that he can't pass the ball.

Gray has him in the team because of his strengths in energy, workrate , ability to get in good goalscoring positions/ goals which regularly doesn't get mentioned as some are more determined to look for the negatives in his game than the positives.

Really don't get the criticism a good player and good Hibby like Josh gets on here .

Those goals won't count tho. (Probably)

[Fergus52]

His passing completion is similar to most Scottish league players in his role. So does that mean that they are all poor passers. He completed 68%

The three players you mentioned in your post all post great numbers for chance creation and ball progression, which Campbell doesn't

[gramskiwood]

I'm losing the will to live. 🤭

Me too.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Hey guys, arguments about football stats are really boring patter. What would your girlfriends say?

[Donegal Hibby]

Those goals won't count tho. (Probably)

Probably, his assist didn't actually get the credit it was due either though , as it was describe as one against posties and painters too :rolleyes:

[Wilson]

Hey guys, arguments about football stats are really boring patter. What would your girlfriends say?

Makes a change from reciting prime ministers?

[J-C]

So have we established if JC is a crap/good/average passer, or does it not matter because he's a 100% worker who'll chip in with goals and assists. Far too many getting on their high horse and looking for excuses just to keep an argument going but then again it's the way of this site nowadays, either agree with me or I'll badger you until you back down attitude, tedious.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The three players you mentioned in your post all post great numbers for chance creation and ball progression, which Campbell doesn't

:agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

It's so bleeding obvious that by all metrics he's a below average passer. His fans utterly terrified to admit he has a weakness.

Hopeless our coaches work on this, and don't just blindly ignore it.

[Brightside]

So have we established if JC is a crap/good/average passer, or does it not matter because he's a 100% worker who'll chip in with goals and assists. Far too many getting on their high horse and looking for excuses just to keep an argument going but then again it's the way of this site nowadays, either agree with me or I'll badger you until you back down attitude, tedious.

Yes

[Brightside]

It's so bleeding obvious that by all metrics he's a below average passer. His fans utterly terrified to admit he has a weakness.

Hopeless our coaches work on this, and don't just blindly ignore it.

What an odd way you have about discussing anything. "His fans utterly terrified" Everything is always so emotive.

Perhaps the answer is that hes OK but could do much better. And yes im sure the coaches will be working on that just like they do WITH EVERY PLAYER.

[tonyrougier123]

So have we established if JC is a crap/good/average passer, or does it not matter because he's a 100% worker who'll chip in with goals and assists. Far too many getting on their high horse and looking for excuses just to keep an argument going but then again it's the way of this site nowadays, either agree with me or I'll badger you until you back down attitude, tedious.

There’s one main protagonist on this thread it’s MWHIBBIES,goes above and beyond to slate Josh Campbell, can’t accept after telling us time and time again when he gets any praise how he feels. Strange unhealthy behaviour. Goes beyond the barrier of good honest debate. If you look through this thread and others where Campbell is mentioned you’ll see this user shooting down anyone positive about Josh Campbell excessively.

[BILLYHIBS]

It's so bleeding obvious that by all metrics he's a below average passer. His fans utterly terrified to admit he has a weakness.

Hopeless our coaches work on this, and don't just blindly ignore it.

Sofascore have his biggest weakness as being ball control

That for me sums him up

Never seems to be in total control of the ball under hits and over hits his passes a sad indictment for a professional footballer never mind a midfielder

Time will tell but not something you can teach or learn overnight

He does have other attributes so not totally writing him off

[J-C]

There’s one main protagonist on this thread it’s MWHIBEES,goes above and beyond to slate Josh Campbell, can’t accept after telling us time and time again when he gets any praise how he feels. Strange unhealthy behaviour. Goes beyond the barrier of good honest debate. If you look through this thread and others where Campbell is mentioned you’ll see this user shooting down anyone positive about Josh Campbell excessively.

And god forbid you slag off Newell, that's sacrilege.

[MWHIBBIES]

What an odd way you have about discussing anything. "His fans utterly terrified" Everything is always so emotive.

Perhaps the answer is that hes OK but could do much better. And yes im sure the coaches will be working on that just like they do WITH EVERY PLAYER.

No, okay would be average imo. Below average would be poor.

Can I ask, if he had never scored a goal, would you still call him a goalscorer? Or does that stat also not matter

[Donegal Hibby]

It's so bleeding obvious that by all metrics he's a below average passer. His fans utterly terrified to admit he has a weakness.

Hopeless our coaches work on this, and don't just blindly ignore it.

All our players have weaknesses , on another thread a poster mentioned he felt Newell slowed the game down to much to which someone else responded about the training video which had Newell in the middle with Gray telling him to move the ball quicker and to take only 2 touches.

I'm sure Gray and the Staff are working on Campbells weaknesses just like the are on Newells and our other players . Maybe that's why josh played a brilliantly executed through ball to Boyle .

[Brightside]

No, okay would be average imo. Below average would be poor.

Can I ask, if he had never scored a goal, would you still call him a goalscorer? Or does that stat also not matter

I don't remember calling him a goal scorer - no need to pigeon hole him. He's a more than capable useful member of our squad.

You are claiming he is below average. Who are you rating that against as he is clearly above average in Scotland.

[MWHIBBIES]

There’s one main protagonist on this thread it’s MWHIBEES,goes above and beyond to slate Josh Campbell, can’t accept after telling us time and time again when he gets any praise how he feels. Strange unhealthy behaviour. Goes beyond the barrier of good honest debate. If you look through this thread and others where Campbell is mentioned you’ll see this user shooting down anyone positive about Josh Campbell excessively.

:faf: you again.


And god forbid you slag off Newell, that's sacrilege.

Nope, Newell has weaknesses too. Happy to admit that.

[tonyrougier123]

:faf: you again.



Nope, Newell has weaknesses too. Happy to admit that.

Aye me again after 5 pages of you again. 😬

[MWHIBBIES]

I don't remember calling him a goal scorer - no need to pigeon hole him. He's a more than capable useful member of our squad.

You are claiming he is below average. Who are you rating that against as he is clearly above average in Scotland.

His passing ability is below average. It's nothing to do with who I rate. Stats show that at Hibs, he is the poorest passer in our midfield.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aye me again after 5 pages of you again. 😬

:faf:

[Brightside]

His passing ability is below average. It's nothing to do with who I rate. Stats show that at Hibs, he is the poorest passer in our midfield.

Can you see how you measuring him against players in different positions wrecks your argument. Can you see that by watching him and seeing what his job is on the pitch that he will by default have much more missed passes?

[MWHIBBIES]

Can you see how you measuring him against players in different positions wrecks your argument. Can you see that by watching him and seeing what his job is on the pitch that he will by default have much more missed passes?

And that would be a very intelligent, insightful argument if it hasn't been pointed out 2 pages ago that he is also not creating chances or assisting often. He is just losing the ball.

If a player is making more risky, final 3rd passes, he should be creating more chances, have a good xA and in the end, have more assists. Campbell does not.

[matty_f]

Which stats are you all looking at, and which players are you comparing Josh with?

[tonyrougier123]

Which stats are you all looking at, and which players are you comparing Josh with?

Could be footy stats.org Matty. Breaks down individual player stats. Although I’d argue folk can rely too heavily on stats alone.

[matty_f]

Could be footy stats.org Matty. Breaks down individual player stats. Although I’d argue folk can rely too heavily on stats alone.

Cheers, was hoping there was like an easily accessible comparison to have a look at, I'll go and see what I can find.

Just wondered how much of an outlier Josh is compared to other Premiership midfielders.

[Fergus52]

So have we established if JC is a crap/good/average passer, or does it not matter because he's a 100% worker who'll chip in with goals and assists. Far too many getting on their high horse and looking for excuses just to keep an argument going but then again it's the way of this site nowadays, either agree with me or I'll badger you until you back down attitude, tedious.

Folk discussing their opinions on a forum, then elaborating when someone disagrees, shock!?

Get off your high horse

[Since452]

I think Josh offers a lot to our squad and i'm glad he's in it. Think this will be a really good season for him.

[leithsansiro]

If Josh Campbell had exactly the same assist and goal stats but played for someone like Motherwell and we were linked with him, I think most folk would feel comfortable with that. He’s not a world beater, but let’s remember who we are and where we play. Show me player in Scotland who doesn’t have significant flaws to their game

[sleeping giant]

I think Josh offers a lot to our squad and i'm glad he's in it. Think this will be a really good season for him.

I agree with this.
Hoping he does well.

[HIBS NUTS]

I agree with this.
Hoping he does well.
Agree with this too, gives 100 percent, doesn’t hide, and scores goals.
Playing higher up the pitch will suit him as well.
Hes not a great passer of the ball, but he’s playing for hibs, and I wish all the players had his attitude, SDG seems to agree.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

It's so bleeding obvious that by all metrics he's a below average passer. His fans utterly terrified to admit he has a weakness.

Hopeless our coaches work on this, and don't just blindly ignore it.

The way you phrase things…it’s like you work for the Daily Express.

[Coco Bryce]

If Josh Campbell had exactly the same assist and goal stats but played for someone like Motherwell and we were linked with him, I think most folk would feel comfortable with that. He’s not a world beater, but let’s remember who we are and where we play. Show me player in Scotland who doesn’t have significant flaws to their game

On a positive note. At least you've admitted Campbell has significant flaws to his game.

[SHODAN]

It's a close run thing between Newell and Campbell for our new scapegoat this season but I think Campbell might be edging it!

[Coco Bryce]

It's a close run thing between Newell and Campbell for our new scapegoat this season but I think Campbell might be edging it!

Our midfield has been pish for years and both these players have been in it.
It's hardly rocket science.

[CapitalGreen]

It's a close run thing between Newell and Campbell for our new scapegoat this season but I think Campbell might be edging it!

No scapegoating, just people having a grown up, mostly civilised, discussion about a players strengths and weaknesses on a message board.

[CapitalGreen]

Our midfield has been pish for years and both these players have been in it.
It's hardly rocket science.

Spoke too soon.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No scapegoating, just people having a grown up, mostly civilised, discussion about a players strengths and weaknesses on a message board.

:agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

It's a close run thing between Newell and Campbell for our new scapegoat this season but I think Campbell might be edging it!

Not a single person has scapegoated either player. Try genuinely reading the discussion that is being had.

[JohnM1875]

14 minute chat with Campbell during pre-season

https://hibstv.hibernianfc.co.uk/videos/140004248

[Donegal Hibby]

No scapegoating, just people having a grown up, mostly civilised, discussion about a players strengths and weaknesses on a message board.

I must have missed the post discussing Josh's strengths on here 😂

[MWHIBBIES]

I must have missed the post discussing Josh's strengths on here 😂

Are you trolling? Almost every single person has said he scores goals and works hard.

[tonyrougier123]

No scapegoating, just people having a grown up, mostly civilised, discussion about a players strengths and weaknesses on a message board.

It’s not though is it. Some of the posters in denial about Josh using more and more abrasive posts in order to put the points across. Even though we have 5pages of denial about his passing ability. An exquisite through ball led to a goal that in turn led to an implosion of Josh isn’t very good. Strange,but the one poster who’s plastered all over this telling us time and again he’s crap at passing is pushing the narrative in people’s way regardless of how he performs.

If you’ve already said he’s not very good why would folk constantly feel the need to jump on folk for praising his performances,surely you’d be happy him doing well? Or is it more important to some to be right at all costs until we get rid of him? Silly behaviour really.

[Donegal Hibby]

Are you trolling? Almost every single person has said he scores goals and works hard.

His passing has been mentioned far more than any of his strengths which with all due respect you of all people should know .

[CapitalGreen]

His passing has been mentioned far more than any of his strengths which with all due respect you of all people should know .

Probably because those strengths aren’t really up for debate. I don’t think anyone who has watched him play regularly would try and argue that he isn’t very hard working or a useful goal threat from midfield.

[BILLYHIBS]

I take it all back his defence splitting pass for Boyler’s goal on Saturday was just sublime Keep it up Josh !

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s not though is it. Some of the posters in denial about Josh using more and more abrasive posts in order to put the points across. Even though we have 5pages of denial about his passing ability. An exquisite through ball led to a goal that in turn led to an implosion of Josh isn’t very good. Strange,but the one poster who’s plastered all over this telling us time and again he’s crap at passing is pushing the narrative in people’s way regardless of how he performs.

If you’ve already said he’s not very good why would folk constantly feel the need to jump on folk for praising his performances,surely you’d be happy him doing well? Or is it more important to some to be right at all costs until we get rid of him? Silly behaviour really.

You are literally just making things up post after post. Total lies

[Donegal Hibby]

Probably because those strengths aren’t really up for debate. I don’t think anyone who has watched him play regularly would try and argue that he isn’t very hard working or a useful goal threat from midfield.

Which is why he's in the team under Gray for exactly what you say workrate and being a goal threat , being a goal threat is something all our other midfielders lack and is probably a weakness our team .

Josh is a decent player that offers us something different than our other midfielders do imo.

[sleeping giant]

You are literally just making things up post after post. Total lies

WTF? Thus is getting a bit mental 😅

[MWHIBBIES]

WTF? Thus is getting a bit mental 😅

He is though. Total nonsense. Not a word of it is actually happening.

[Jock O]

I take it all back his defence splitting pass for Boyler’s goal on Saturday was just sublime Keep it up Josh ! I only seen highlights of that goal and it was a cracker, I suppose the question then is (a) has he always had this in his capabilities but not been confident/lucky enough to execute properly till now, (b) is he working hard at improving his passing and this was the outcome of this training and his hard work, (c) did it rebound of his shin and then a divot to go the opposite way he meant but ended up looking good. I suspect that depending on each persons very static and stubborn view on Campbell's abilities all 3 will be suggested. Its good to celebrate the positive things players like Campbell does rather than pick holes on every touch as we seem to be doing more and more. lets just celebrate what we would have all been drooling over if it was a Scott Allen pass and hope there is more to come. I suspect as time goes on he needs to be more consistent with his passing, recognising it won't always work with passes like that, to stay in the team. I also suspect he knows that so top marks for going for it and lets wish him well and say lots more please.

[Se7enUp]

Josh has never let us down, he's closer to a McGinlay than any of the multiple failures we've watched in midfield in recent years. Yeah, there's better players out there, but so far in the Gordon era, we've been inept at finding any.

[BILLYHIBS]

I only seen highlights of that goal and it was a cracker, I suppose the question then is (a) has he always had this in his capabilities but not been confident/lucky enough to execute properly till now, (b) is he working hard at improving his passing and this was the outcome of this training and his hard work, (c) did it rebound of his shin and then a divot to go the opposite way he meant but ended up looking good. I suspect that depending on each persons very static and stubborn view on Campbell's abilities all 3 will be suggested. Its good to celebrate the positive things players like Campbell does rather than pick holes on every touch as we seem to be doing more and more. lets just celebrate what we would have all been drooling over if it was a Scott Allen pass and hope there is more to come. I suspect as time goes on he needs to be more consistent with his passing, recognising it won't always work with passes like that, to stay in the team. I also suspect he knows that so top marks for going for it and lets wish him well and say lots more please.
👍

[Chip shop Joe]

He is though. Total nonsense. Not a word of it is actually happening.

It is not nonsense though. The points made are absolutely valid and the fact you knew he was talking about you tell it’s own story!

[MWHIBBIES]

It is not nonsense though. The points made are absolutely valid and the fact you knew he was talking about you tell it’s own story!

They're not valid. They're blatant lies.

I have no agenda, I've payed Josh plenty compliments on the things he does well, and I'm in denial about nothing.

I know he was talking about me because he's been posting the same thing in reply to me for 3 days. It tells no story other than that.

Watch this and read it carefully.

Josh Campbell works very hard
Josh Campbell has the ability to score goals
Josh Campbell played a nice pass for the goal on Saturday
Josh Campbell needs to improve his overall passing game in every way.

[Chip shop Joe]

They're not valid. They're blatant lies.

I have no agenda, I've payed Josh plenty compliments on the things he does well, and I'm in denial about nothing.

I know he was talking about me because he's been posting the same thing in reply to me for 3 days. It tells no story other than that

We are going to have to disagree here but in my opinion I agree with the poster that you have to be right about everything and anyone who say’s anything contrary to your opinion is immediately jumped on either with a laughing emoji or continual opposing comments.

[Allant1981]

Campbell is a decent player for our level, he will never be a world beater but is no where near as bad as some make him out to be, if he chips in with a few goals and assists this season this happy days, at the minute we have no other midfielder who will bust a gut to get into the box looking for a goal. I'm glad the ignore button is a function though based on some posts on this thread

[Brooster]

We are going to have to disagree here but in my opinion I agree with the poster that you have to be right about everything and anyone who say’s anything contrary to your opinion is immediately jumped on either with a laughing emoji or continual opposing comments.

Spot on. Very tiresome.

[Exuberance1875]

We are going to have to disagree here but in my opinion I agree with the poster that you have to be right about everything and anyone who say’s anything contrary to your opinion is immediately jumped on either with a laughing emoji or continual opposing comments.

Agree

[MWHIBBIES]

We are going to have to disagree here but in my opinion I agree with the poster that you have to be right about everything and anyone who say’s anything contrary to your opinion is immediately jumped on either with a laughing emoji or continual opposing comments.

So if I post something saying x, a person replies saying y and we have a perfectly grown up football discussion disagreeing, which this thread has largely been, what am I doing wrong?

I am not replying to myself here. Folk reply to me, I reply to them. Simple.

Then the clowns come along and make personal comments aimed at me, breaking forum rules and turning it into a shambles. That will be my fault too?

[Exuberance1875]

So if I post something saying x, a person replies saying y and we have a perfectly grown up football discussion disagreeing, which this thread has largely been, what am I doing wrong?

I am not replying to myself here. Folk reply to me, I reply to them. Simple.

Then the clowns come along and make personal comments aimed at me, breaking forum rules and turning it into a shambles. That will be my fault too?

It’s not a perfectly grown up football discussion when you just say stuff like, “you are wrong.” “This is not true” you tend to reply with a lot of closed responses, which in my opinion isn’t a true discussion

[Brightside]

They're not valid. They're blatant lies.

I have no agenda, I've payed Josh plenty compliments on the things he does well, and I'm in denial about nothing.

I know he was talking about me because he's been posting the same thing in reply to me for 3 days. It tells no story other than that.

Watch this and read it carefully.

Josh Campbell works very hard
Josh Campbell has the ability to score goals
Josh Campbell played a nice pass for the goal on Saturday
Josh Campbell needs to improve his overall passing game in every way.

That last line is true for all eh. Even Super Joe? It's the calling him out as poor passer that most challenged you on. He's not poor, hes just not great. You and Stubbsy then started going on about some mythical average with no stats behind it, and started adding in assists and all sorts of other non connected data, again with the only purpose being to build a negative case about the player.

So just to use your method of comms for once..... READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY.

Josh Campbell is not a poor passer but he certainly needs to improve on it. But he brings other abilities to the team which make him a valuable member of our squad.

[MWHIBBIES]

That last line is true for all eh. Even Super Joe? It's the calling him out as poor passer that most challenged you on. He's not poor, hes just not great. You and Stubbsy then started going on about some mythical average with no stats behind it, and started adding in assists and all sorts of other non connected data, again with the only purpose being to build a negative case about the player.

So just to use your method of comms for once..... READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY.

Josh Campbell is not a poor passer but he certainly needs to improve on it. But he brings other abilities to the team which make him a valuable member of our squad.

The stats have been posted.

That's fine, it's your opinion. I've never disputed he adds other things. His passing is the poorest of our midfielders,though.

Joe has flaws in his game too. I've never said otherwise.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s not a perfectly grown up football discussion when you just say stuff like, “you are wrong.” “This is not true” you tend to reply with a lot of closed responses, which in my opinion isn’t a true discussion

When folk are lying ill say it.

Opinions I don't just say are wrong, but stats can prove them to be untrue imo

[RIP]

https://youtu.be/ys_LVJxu1Xk?si=7TudL1OgYDsZ7Gef

Instead of spending 15 minutes reading ping pong posts, can everyone please watch this wonderful interview with Josh?

His honesty is palpable and he remains the same humble Hibby that joined us as a lad and went on multiple loans.

If your experience is the same as mine, I learned more about Josh in 15 minutes than I ever will re-reading all the fine points made on this thread.

[J-C]

It’s not a perfectly grown up football discussion when you just say stuff like, “you are wrong.” “This is not true” you tend to reply with a lot of closed responses, which in my opinion isn’t a true discussion

Remember this poster was banned off the forum for a couple of months for arguing and getting personal, not learnt his lesson yet obviously. Like a dog with a bone and won't stop badgering until you either put on ignore, or just stop interacting.

[J-C]

Re Campbell, great work ethics, has an eye for goal but as has been pointed out his passing could be better but he'll know that. He's not the finished article but has shown great improvement, I'm delighted we have a true Hibby in the team.

[CapitalGreen]

Remember this poster was banned off the forum for a couple of months for arguing and getting personal, not learnt his lesson yet obviously. Like a dog with a bone and won't stop badgering until you either put on ignore, or just stop interacting.

Is there really any need for the repeated personal digs about another poster simply because they have a different opinion about a players strengths and weaknesses?

[Bostonhibby]

https://youtu.be/ys_LVJxu1Xk?si=7TudL1OgYDsZ7Gef

Instead of spending 15 minutes reading ping pong posts, can everyone please watch this wonderful interview with Josh?

His honesty is palpable and he remains the same humble Hibby that joined us as a lad and went on multiple loans.

If your experience is the same as mine, I learned more about Josh in 15 minutes than I ever will re-reading all the fine points made on this thread.[emoji106]

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[J-C]

Is there really any need for the repeated personal digs about another poster simply because they have a different opinion about a players strengths and weaknesses?

I'm having no personal digs, this poster is well known for this, I have him on ignore, so don't see his posts but I can read the numerous replies to him which are frustrated posters getting fed up. It's why so many threads on .net go waywards and become a chore just to log on here most days.

[CapitalGreen]

I'm having no personal digs, this poster is well known for this, I have him on ignore, so don't see his posts but I can read the numerous replies to him which are frustrated posters getting fed up. It's why so many threads on .net go waywards and become a chore just to log on here most days.

The thread was going fine with good inputs from posters with opposing opinions. It started going wayward once yourself and others started making comments about individual posters rather than the subject matter, playing the man rather than the ball as they say.

This below is a personal dig which was unnecessary, perhaps take your own advice and ignore in future.


Like a dog with a bone and won't stop badgering until you either put on ignore, or just stop interacting.

[Donegal Hibby]

14 minute chat with Campbell during pre-season

https://hibstv.hibernianfc.co.uk/videos/140004248

Would Campbell be the longest serving player that's on the Hibs books now ? .

[J-C]

Would Campbell be the longest serving player that's on the Hibs books now ? .

How old was he when he started? Boyle came in 2015 but had a wee break in Saudi.

[Donegal Hibby]

How old was he when he started? Boyle came in 2015 but had a wee break in Saudi.

Jack Ross going by the interview gave him his debut though he was signed as a wee lad going by this picture (0:98 in), must on hibs books a long time ..

https://youtu.be/lPa6QllAy7A?si=5EvgJTKjCyY2o5tN

[MWHIBBIES]

Remember this poster was banned off the forum for a couple of months for arguing and getting personal, not learnt his lesson yet obviously. Like a dog with a bone and won't stop badgering until you either put on ignore, or just stop interacting.

:faf:

Yeah, you would never make personal digs at anyone.

[matty_f]

I'm having no personal digs, this poster is well known for this, I have him on ignore, so don't see his posts but I can read the numerous replies to him which are frustrated posters getting fed up. It's why so many threads on .net go waywards and become a chore just to log on here most days.

In MW’s defence, he’s doing nothing more than arguing the point, which is sort of how these things work.

[MWHIBBIES]

The thread was going fine with good inputs from posters with opposing opinions. It started going wayward once yourself and others started making comments about individual posters rather than the subject matter, playing the man rather than the ball as they say.

This below is a personal dig which was unnecessary, perhaps take your own advice and ignore in future.

It's honestly to great to see one is actually reading what is happening in this thread instead of just seeing my name and spouting rubbish.

Thank you.

[MWHIBBIES]

In MW’s defence, he’s doing nothing more than arguing the point, which is sort of how these things work.

Appreciated.