Ellie Youan

[HIBS NUTS]

I spoke to Elie briefly behind the main stand on Wednesday, he had walked to the game with his girlfriend/wife/sister.😀
Im under the impression he’s away this summer, I think he might go to Bournemouth for a large fee.
But that’s me guessing.

[hibsbollah]

I hope youre not suggesting his female companion was all these things :eek:

[McGruber]

I hope youre not suggesting his female companion was all these things :eek:

🤣

[easty]

Bournemouth aren't signing Youan.

I'm a fan of his, but he's not that level of player. Not even close.

[Trinity Hibee]

Bournemouth aren't signing Youan.

I'm a fan of his, but he's not that level of player. Not even close.

Agree. Has a lot of potential but he’s not EPL level at this stage

[04Sauzee]

Seems 2 be a few rumours that he's going and the fee is around 2m, I'm not convinced Bournemouth would be signing him tbh.

[Pretty Boy]

Agree. Has a lot of potential but he’s not EPL level at this stage

He's 25 now, he's almost certainly never going to be EPL level at any point in his career.

I like him, he has loads of qualities but he's not some inexperienced, untested youngster. Every player has their level and top 10 of the EPL is some way above his.

[MWHIBBIES]

Bournemouth are a top half EPL team. Wouldn't make their bench.

[Ozyhibby]

I think the level he is at now is his ceiling. Far too inconsistent and final ball not good enough.


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[BS44]

Basle.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Basle.

Just don't mention the war! 🤭

[Godsahibby]

FC Lorient

[Musselbound]

I'm assuming Youan is injured at the moment when he hasn't been in recent squads? Clearly I missed something.

Anyway, I'm a fan but agree it would be very surprising if he was going to Bournemouth. Can't see it.

[.Sean.]

I spoke to Elie briefly behind the main stand on Wednesday, he had walked to the game with his girlfriend/wife/sister.😀
Im under the impression he’s away this summer, I think he might go to Bournemouth for a large fee.
But that’s me guessing.
What did he say to give you that impression?

I’d sell him to help fund Maolida

[erin go bragh]

Our top goal scorer and most assists. On his day he is quality and will be a big miss and very hard to replace. Don't think NM treated him fairly and had he started every game, we would not have finished bottom six imo.

[Souter96Mac]

I've been a big fan of Elie and would be sad to see him go - but if we can get a 7 figure sum for him then I think that's good business.

I was going to say it's a shame it's not really worked for him this season, but checking his stats, he's had more goal contributions (9G 9A) this year compared to last (9G 7A), albeit he's played more games, and it seems to have been his highest goal contributions of his career this season too.

Admittedly he can be a frustrating player to watch at times, but when he's in full flow, he's a joy to watch.

[Greensunshine]

Good luck to the lad, plenty good qualities but when you’re playing in a side that leaks goals he’s about as useful as a chocolate fire guard.

He doesn’t know the meaning of defend from the front.

[GloryGlory]

Seems 2 be a few rumours that he's going and the fee is around 2m, I'm not convinced Bournemouth would be signing him tbh.

If anything like that is bid, I'd bite their hands off. Could help fund a couple of quality CBs and a decent goalie.

[Edinburgh Green]

Yeah I heard he has offers from a number of clubs, keen to go back to France

[Since452]

I spoke to Elie briefly behind the main stand on Wednesday, he had walked to the game with his girlfriend/wife/sister.😀
Im under the impression he’s away this summer, I think he might go to Bournemouth for a large fee.
But that’s me guessing.

Youan is a Jambo? :confused:

[hibsbollah]

Youan is a Jambo? :confused:

Dont be silly, they don’t walk to games. Webbed feet.

[tamig]

Good luck to the lad, plenty good qualities but when you’re playing in a side that leaks goals he’s about as useful as a chocolate fire guard.

He doesn’t know the meaning of defend from the front.

I think that’s unfair and blinkered. He can defend and has shown that on plenty occasions this season. However, there have also been many times when he hasn’t tracked back or where he’s switched off and we’ve ended up conceding. He is capable of the defending side of things but doesn’t do it with consistency. He is one of our main attacking assets and personally I’m hopeful a new coach might bring the consistency that’s needed with him. If he’s not sold obviously.

[AgentDaleCooper]

his decision making is the main obstacle between himself and his potential IMO.

[SlickShoes]

We have definitely been worse since he’s been out, apart from Wednesday we look much less likely to score without him. Hope he stays.

[hibsbollah]

his decision making is the main obstacle between himself and his potential IMO.

Agreed. I think his defending isnt the main issue, he regularly makes poor decisions when we’re in good attacking positions, but his postitives outweight his negatives, his goals and assist stats speak for themselves and overall hes been a good signing and i want him to stay. Watching the vid Hibs put up of every goal and assist is a great reminder of his qualities.

[BILLYHIBS]

Decision making a fatal flaw as others have said and work rate

Is ok when he doesn’t have to think about it i.e. his two finishes at Hearts after a posted missing first half

The guy is box office gets you out of your seat but cuts a frustrating figure if he could get it right for the penny to drop and work on those things he would be a top top player

Probably thinks he is as I don’t think confidence is an issue it is up to him to be the very best he can be

I remember he came on late second half versus Hearts 0-1 doing all his tricks and flicks even had the Hearts fans applauding made you wonder why he did not start ?

[AgentDaleCooper]

Decision making a fatal flaw as others have said and work rate

Is ok when he doesn’t have to think about it i.e. his two finishes at Hearts after a posted missing first half

The guy is box office gets you out of your seat but cuts a frustrating figure if he could get it right for the penny to drop and work on those things he would be a top top player

Probably thinks he is as I don’t think confidence is an issue it is up to him to be the best he can be


he also has significantly more goals + assists than anyone else at the club, to be fair.

[sauzee1989]

Bournemouth you must have had a few drinks! Not a chance he’s going there. Only player with any possibility of going in that direction and that’s still a long shot is Maolida

[BILLYHIBS]

he also has significantly more goals + assists than anyone else at the club, to be fair.

I know it makes it all the more frustrating

Been on 10 goals 10 assists since about Christmas 😀

[sleeping giant]

Yeah I heard he has offers from a number of clubs, keen to go back to France

Offers accepted by Hibs ?

[Paul1642]

I've been a big fan of Elie and would be sad to see him go - but if we can get a 7 figure sum for him then I think that's good business.

I was going to say it's a shame it's not really worked for him this season, but checking his stats, he's had more goal contributions (9G 9A) this year compared to last (9G 7A), albeit he's played more games, and it seems to have been his highest goal contributions of his career this season too.

Admittedly he can be a frustrating player to watch at times, but when he's in full flow, he's a joy to watch.

7 figure sum is very open. 1 million to todays market would be a massive failure. Anything over 2 million would be good business.

[Chorley Hibee]

Would be a big loss.

One of the few players I'd hope to build a squad around in the coming windows.

[Springbank]

St Mirren away summed him up imo

The guy most likely to create or score for us

But we need him to score at least twice as he will cost us a goal, sleeping when out of possession

[Tyler Durden]

In the league he has 4 goals against an expected goals of 7+. Not that great a return IMO.

I'd rather we had better team players where the players know what your wide player will do. Armstrong at Killie for example - he's going to deliver crosses for the team, his striker can anticipate and work with him.

Anything £1m+ is a good deal for me.

[easty]

In the league he has 4 goals against an expected goals of 7+. Not that great a return IMO.

I'd rather we had better team players where the players know what your wide player will do. Armstrong at Killie for example - he's going to deliver crosses for the team, his striker can anticipate and work with him.

Anything £1m+ is a good deal for me.

If we had the option of selling Youan and getting Armstrong I'd absolutely be up for that.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Went into the season as our best player. Now there are many would be happy to see him leave.

Somebody with pace that can get you off you're seat, definitely one I would want involved under a new manager.

[Hibs4185]

If we are getting 2m, no wonder he’s been wrapped in cotton wool for the last few games.

No way we can risk losing that kind of fee for him.

Could potentially fund two quality replacements

[Spudster]

I was going to say it's a shame it's not really worked for him this season, but checking his stats, he's had more goal contributions (9G 9A) this year compared to last (9G 7A), albeit he's played more games, and it seems to have been his highest goal contributions of his career this season too.
If only things like not losing your man and tracking runners was recorded in the same way as goals and assists. On his day great at attacking, but cannot be trusted to help out in his own half.

[easty]

If only things like not losing your man and tracking runners was recorded in the same way as goals and assists. On his day great at attacking, but cannot be trusted to help out in his own half.

We shouldn't be setting the team up in a way that relies on someone like Youan covering midfield runners into the box.

That's not using what you have well. He's an attacker not a defender.

[He's here!]

He's 25 now, he's almost certainly never going to be EPL level at any point in his career.

I like him, he has loads of qualities but he's not some inexperienced, untested youngster. Every player has their level and top 10 of the EPL is some way above his.

He might not be what you'd call a youngster in football terms but he looked pretty raw and rough-edged when he joined us and a look at his career prior to Hibs shows he didn't actually have a great many first-team appearances to his name. I'd like to think he can develop further as he has a lot of talent - he just shows it too fleetingly.

[Unseen work]

I’ll be absolutely gutted if/when he leaves.

A real match winner and someone that gets you off your seat.

Think Montgomery tried to coach all of his natural instinct out of him.

I go to Easter Road to see guys like Youan, hopefully he goes on to have a good career elsewhere and we come close to replacing him.

Think every other team in the league will be delighted he’s leaving

[The Modfather]

I’d forgotten about him since he’s been out. Don’t think we’ve missed him all that much.

Wouldn’t be too fussed of he goes. Another “on his day” player, we have too many of them and need players that are consistent, who when not playing well still contribute to the overall team.

[Is It On....]

If only things like not losing your man and tracking runners was recorded in the same way as goals and assists. On his day great at attacking, but cannot be trusted to help out in his own half.

Defenders defend, attackers attack. We have scored a good number of goals this season but conceded far too many. Let start off with sorting out our defence first.

[DIXIHIBS]

Defenders defend, attackers attack. We have scored a good number of goals this season but conceded far too many. Let start off with sorting out our defence first.

Not that simple though is it. If forwards don't defend, midfield gets over run, defence have nae chance. Not saying for a minute our defence has been good this season... they've not, but the whole team must help.

[Rick Rude]

One of the very few players in the team who can do something a bit different and unexpected that can break down stubborn organised teams.

Would love to see him in a good Hibs team and with no defensive responsibilities.

[Bobby's Cinema]

You need to set up a team with people in roles they are suited to, get the best out of your best players to let them go and do what they are good at. The manager has failed miserably in this with Youan in isolation.

[joe breezy]

Someone mentioned Ellie and Bournemouth in the same breath the other day and I assumed they meant Marcondes under some new nickname [emoji38]


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[Spudster]

Defenders defend, attackers attack. We have scored a good number of goals this season but conceded far too many. Let start off with sorting out our defence first.
I think that's the mentality we have at Hibs and why we have conceded so many. If Youan isn't expected to help out does the same apply to Boyle? Vente? Marcondes?

[superfurryhibby]

In the league he has 4 goals against an expected goals of 7+. Not that great a return IMO.

I'd rather we had better team players where the players know what your wide player will do. Armstrong at Killie for example - he's going to deliver crosses for the team, his striker can anticipate and work with him.

Anything £1m+ is a good deal for me.

5 league goals and seven league assists.

10 goals and ten assist across all competitions.

Does that knowing what your wide player will do not also extend to the opposition too?

[easty]

I think that's the mentality we have at Hibs and why we have conceded so many. If Youan isn't expected to help out does the same apply to Boyle? Vente? Marcondes?

For me, it's more about the individual than the position. Youan isn't a good defensive player, don't put a high level of defensive responsibility on him...or it'll cost us as a team.

[Tyler Durden]

5 league goals and seven league assists.

10 goals and ten assist across all competitions.

Does that knowing what your wide player will do not also extend to the opposition too?

Some sites will give him the 2nd goal against Motherwell as a goal. Others view it as an OG and an assist.

Not really no. If Martin Boyle is on his game or Armstrong again as an example, you know they're going to go on their favoured foot and try to get a cross or shot in. If they're playing well, its tough to stop.

If Youan hesitates and beats his man several times, he's often letting the defence get reset and our forwards are waiting for a pass that doesn't come. When he keeps it simple he's much better (his assist at home to Livi for example) but in 2 seasons he's not improved in this aspect IMO so I don't see any coach changing him now.

[HIBS NUTS]

Someone mentioned Ellie and Bournemouth in the same breath the other day and I assumed they meant Marcondes under some new nickname [emoji38]


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I started the thread, I have no idea if/ were Ellie is going, I did however mention Bournemouth, they might look at him as a cheap transfer punt.
Some have said there is no chance, if they don’t look at players like Ellie from hibs, who are they ever going to be linked with from hibs.
Marcondas on the other hand, gets mentioned, for me Marcondas has been a let down, after intial promise.
Very noticeable that David Gray didn’t play him on Wednesday, Marcondas is absolutely rotten at tracking back and defending, and he’s a midfielder.

[B.H.F.C]

For me, it's more about the individual than the position. Youan isn't a good defensive player, don't put a high level of defensive responsibility on him...or it'll cost us as a team.

Where do you play him that excludes him from any real defensive work? I just don’t think we are, or will be, good enough to have players that you’d have like that.

[babahibs]

Elie's the kind of player that gets you out your seat when he's on his game, the kind you pay to watch but what that comes with at our level is inconsistency.
If he was consistently on it, he'd be playing at a higher level than us.
I'll be sad to see him go.

[MWHIBBIES]

Defenders defend, attackers attack. We have scored a good number of goals this season but conceded far too many. Let start off with sorting out our defence first.

It's not the 70s. Everyone defenders in a good side.

[easty]

Where do you play him that excludes him from any real defensive work? I just don’t think we are, or will be, good enough to have players that you’d have like that.

As part of a front 3.

With a back 4 that can defend, and then 2 out of the 3 midfielders back helping too, that should be plenty. It must be rare for teams to be setting up against us with more than 6 players attacking us at one time. I'd guess its usually 3 or 4, and we should be able to deal with that without needing Youan involved.

As it is, I'm not saying Youan shouldn't have to put any defensive pressure on players at all, but when you look at the Ross County goal Dhanda scored against us - in that situation it shouldn't be left to someone like Youan to be tracking. Ross County wouldn't have left to Dhanda to track Youan if the situation was reversed.

[superfurryhibby]

Some sites will give him the 2nd goal against Motherwell as a goal. Others view it as an OG and an assist.

Not really no. If Martin Boyle is on his game or Armstrong again as an example, you know they're going to go on their favoured foot and try to get a cross or shot in. If they're playing well, its tough to stop.

If Youan hesitates and beats his man several times, he's often letting the defence get reset and our forwards are waiting for a pass that doesn't come. When he keeps it simple he's much better (his assist at home to Livi for example) but in 2 seasons he's not improved in this aspect IMO so I don't see any coach changing him now.

The goals is officially credited to Youan, so I think we can allow him the five and not four.

What you say about Boyle and Armstrong surely also applies to Youan, if he's playing well then he's hard to stop.

His tendency to overplay is definitely frustrating at times. I had hoped he would moderate that and it seems like he can't/won't.

Worth mentioning that Armstrong played 3734 minutes of football, in a much better team this season, Youan has managed 3040 minutes.

I haven't really noticed Armstrong v Hibs, but his stats over the past two seasons are decent. If he comes then he perhaps offers more of an all round game than Youan, more back tracking and defensive awareness?

[leith lynx]

Basle.

Fox sake...

[EGL2000]

No chance he's going to the prem don't even think he would do well in England championship. His style is much more suited to European football. Could see him going back to France or Belgium/Netherlands think he'd do well in those leagues.

[easty]

I haven't really noticed Armstrong v Hibs, but his stats over the past two seasons are decent. If he comes then he perhaps offers more of an all round game than Youan, more back tracking and defensive awareness?

Last time we played them he put the crosses in for both their goals. He also had an assist vs us in Monty's first game.

[Tyler Durden]

The goals is officially credited to Youan, so I think we can allow him the five and not four.

What you say about Boyle and Armstrong surely also applies to Youan, if he's playing well then he's hard to stop.

His tendency to overplay is definitely frustrating at times. I had hoped he would moderate that and it seems like he can't/won't.

Worth mentioning that Armstrong played 3734 minutes of football, in a much better team this season, Youan has managed 3040 minutes.

I haven't really noticed Armstrong v Hibs, but his stats over the past two seasons are decent. If he comes then he perhaps offers more of an all round game than Youan, more back tracking and defensive awareness?

I would say so but I don't think there's any chance we'll go for him.

[EGL2000]

The goals is officially credited to Youan, so I think we can allow him the five and not four.

What you say about Boyle and Armstrong surely also applies to Youan, if he's playing well then he's hard to stop.

His tendency to overplay is definitely frustrating at times. I had hoped he would moderate that and it seems like he can't/won't.

Worth mentioning that Armstrong played 3734 minutes of football, in a much better team this season, Youan has managed 3040 minutes.

I haven't really noticed Armstrong v Hibs, but his stats over the past two seasons are decent. If he comes then he perhaps offers more of an all round game than Youan, more back tracking and defensive awareness?

Armstrong doesn't really track back and help defensively either or it's definitely not a attribute of his. Id also say he's not got the level of skill Youan has. However, he's definitely better at decision making and the quality of his final ball is higher. Probably a better finisher as well. I think he's probably out of our price range anyone given I think we will need to spread money over the whole team rather than spending 1/1.5 mil on a winger.

[easty]

Armstrong doesn't really track back and help defensively either or it's definitely not a attribute of his. Id also say he's not got the level of skill Youan has. However, he's definitely better at decision making and the quality of his final ball is higher. Probably a better finisher as well. I think he's probably out of our price range anyone given I think we will need to spread money over the whole team rather than spending 1/1.5 mil on a winger.

Only Joe Newell and Lewis Miller from Hibs have made more tackles this season than Danny Armstrong.

[superfurryhibby]

Armstrong doesn't really track back and help defensively either or it's definitely not a attribute of his. Id also say he's not got the level of skill Youan has. However, he's definitely better at decision making and the quality of his final ball is higher. Probably a better finisher as well. I think he's probably out of our price range anyone given I think we will need to spread money over the whole team rather than spending 1/1.5 mil on a winger.

If Youan goes for 2 million or thereabouts then that would surely cover the fee and a good chunk of wages for Armstrong? Youan's wages will be significantly higher and I can't see Hibs making Armstrong one of our highest paid players (I'm assuming that Youan's transfer fee was not a million and what we saved in fees, we paid in wages).

[B.H.F.C]

As part of a front 3.

With a back 4 that can defend, and then 2 out of the 3 midfielders back helping too, that should be plenty. It must be rare for teams to be setting up against us with more than 6 players attacking us at one time. I'd guess its usually 3 or 4, and we should be able to deal with that without needing Youan involved.

As it is, I'm not saying Youan shouldn't have to put any defensive pressure on players at all, but when you look at the Ross County goal Dhanda scored against us - in that situation it shouldn't be left to someone like Youan to be tracking. Ross County wouldn't have left to Dhanda to track Youan if the situation was reversed.

Sometimes players need to take a bit responsibility and he should have in that particular instance for me.

There will be the odd exception, but in most good teams the wide players all have to graft. It’s all relative to level, but if you even look at Celtic their wide players need to do it and they’re face a lot less than us. Arsenal and Man City, their players need to do it. They’re all on a different level to us but they all put a shift in, we’re no good enough to just let players do their own thing in that position.

I say all that as someone that would like us to keep Youan as I think his numbers would be hard to replace. But we need a team where everyone is working.

[The Modfather]

Sometimes players need to take a bit responsibility and he should have in that particular instance for me.

There will be the odd exception, but in most good teams the wide players all have to graft. It’s all relative to level, but if you even look at Celtic their wide players need to do it and they’re face a lot less than us. Arsenal and Man City, their players need to do it. They’re all on a different level to us but they all put a shift in, we’re no good enough to just let players do their own thing in that position.

I say all that as someone that would like us to keep Youan as I think his numbers would be hard to replace. But we need a team where everyone is working.

If a wide player isn’t expected to track back and work hard, within reason. Can the full back behind him then be expected to stay within his own half and worry solely about defending? How would Youan perform if he didn’t have a full back supporting him or overlapping to create space?

[easty]

If a wide player isn’t expected to track back and work hard, within reason. Can the full back behind him then be expected to stay within his own half and worry solely about defending? How would Youan perform if he didn’t have a full back supporting him or overlapping to create space?

Space, or lack thereof, has never been something I've felt Youan was particularly bothered about. He does what he wants regardless.

[hibee-boys]

I spoke to Elie briefly behind the main stand on Wednesday, he had walked to the game with his girlfriend/wife/sister.😀
Im under the impression he’s away this summer, I think he might go to Bournemouth for a large fee.
But that’s me guessing.

Shocking that we don’t pay high enough wages to enable our players to afford transport to the game. One of the youth players deployed to give him a backy at the very least🤷🏼

[Lago]

If Youan goes for 2 million or thereabouts then that would surely cover the fee and a good chunk of wages for Armstrong? Youan's wages will be significantly higher and I can't see Hibs making Armstrong one of our highest paid players (I'm assuming that Youan's transfer fee was not a million and what we saved in fees, we paid in wages).
Who in the name of the wee man is going to be stupid enough to pay £2m for him?

[RIP]

Elie was signed as a striker yet played mainly on the wing, picking the ball up from deep with nine opposition players between him and the back of the net.

Yet in a truly miserable season, he still managed 20! goal contributions - either goals or assists. Who knows how much higher that contribution total would have been within a better system or a better Head Coach.

Yet some posters wouldnt want to keep him on the basis that the Invisible Man who will be brought in this summer will be a better defender.

Honestly!! 😄

[hibeemikey21]

I love Elie, but the chat of the English Prem is ridiculous. Villa game was a perfect example of the gulf. Kept running the ball out of play etc/stumbling over it. Think he got one decent shot off in 180 mins, but was otherwise totally nullified.

[Hibiza]

Wouldn't like to see Youan go but perhaps need to. Newell I've never taken too, he can leave forthwith Imho.

[superfurryhibby]

Who in the name of the wee man is going to be stupid enough to pay £2m for him?

Hibs apparently had an offer of 1.8 million in January. It's been posted on here quite a few times before, so maybe some managers rate him more than some Hibs fans, who knows :greengrin

[hibeg]

Posted a couple of months back that a deal was agreed with Stoke. Could be rubbish but that was what I was told

[Greensunshine]

I think that’s unfair and blinkered. He can defend and has shown that on plenty occasions this season. However, there have also been many times when he hasn’t tracked back or where he’s switched off and we’ve ended up conceding. He is capable of the defending side of things but doesn’t do it with consistency. He is one of our main attacking assets and personally I’m hopeful a new coach might bring the consistency that’s needed with him. If he’s not sold obviously.

You tell me I’m being unfair and then go on to make my point. Absolutely baffling!

He’s a show pony! He’s no a ninety minute player, great for a throw of the dice and there’s no doubt he’s got talent but his attitude towards his all round game is very poor.

Wouldn’t last two minutes in a Lennon/McInness side.

[Lago]

Hibs apparently had an offer of 1.8 million in January. It's been posted on here quite a few times before, so maybe some managers rate him more than some Hibs fans, who knows :greengrin
Who from, just paper talk as far as I'm concerned, anyone watching him over a period of time would never value hint at anything over 1m,thats laughable.

[Gordy M]

Who from, just paper talk as far as I'm concerned, anyone watching him over a period of time would never value hint at anything over 1m,thats laughable.

What value would you have put on Melkersen?

[dmc1875]

Who from, just paper talk as far as I'm concerned, anyone watching him over a period of time would never value hint at anything over 1m,thats laughable.

Quite a few. It’s not laughable at all, he’s our best in contract player. He’s frustrating at times, but his assists and goals don’t lie, neither do his attributes or big goals or moments in big games. He’s a very good player and if he leaves it’s cause we need to cash in on assets.

[B.H.F.C]

Quite a few. It’s not laughable at all, he’s our best in contract player. He’s frustrating at times, but his assists and goals don’t lie, neither do his attributes or big goals or moments in big games. He’s a very good player and if he leaves it’s cause we need to cash in on assets.

I don’t think that last bit is true. We’ve sold plenty players and it’s not always because we have to cash in. Contracted or not, if someone with more money wants to buy one of our players and they want to go, it’ll generally happen one way or another.

[dmc1875]

I don’t think that last bit is true. We’ve sold plenty players and it’s not always because we have to cash in. Contracted or not, if someone with more money wants to buy one of our players and they want to go, it’ll generally happen one way or another.

That’s true, everyone has a price. I just wonder if with the bloated nature of the squad we might be needing some money in regardless of the BK investment

[superfurryhibby]

Who from, just paper talk as far as I'm concerned, anyone watching him over a period of time would never value hint at anything over 1m,thats laughable.

Well, you should pay your tenner and get access to the private members board and then you'll know. :wink:

[Logie]

I would be building the team around him personally but if he wants to go then probably need to sell if the quoted figure is accurate.

[Unseen work]

Well, you should pay your tenner and get access to the private members board and then you'll know. :wink:

How do you actually go about signing up for the pm board?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Just don't mention the war! 🤭

but the Swiss were neutral and kept the spoils :)

[Lago]

What value would you have put on Melkersen?
What's the correlation?

[BILLYHIBS]

How do you actually go about signing up for the pm board?
PM an Admin Hibee Girl or Pretty Boy

[Jay]

How do you actually go about signing up for the pm board?


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[superfurryhibby]

What's the correlation?

If you think hard enough, you'll get there eventually :wink:

[Lago]

If you think hard enough, you'll get there evntually :wink:
Apples and pears

[lyonhibs]

We shouldn't be setting the team up in a way that relies on someone like Youan covering midfield runners into the box.

That's not using what you have well. He's an attacker not a defender.

In 2024, attackers need to have some semblance of nous for the defensive side of things, just like full backs that get a nose bleed if they cross the halfway line are a thing of the past, or at least should be.

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[Is It On....]

It's not the 70s. Everyone defenders in a good side.

Clearly...but for all the plaudits the forehead has received this season, Hearts AND Hibs are joint 3rd top scorers in the league with 51 goals. However, they have conceded 39 Vs Hibs 58. We either don't have good enough defenders or enough defensively minded players. When you buy someone like Youan (8 goals and 11 assists in 40 games) you know he isn't going to track back like others so suddenly expecting him to is either delusional from Hibs or another example of the wrong type of player being recruited (difficult to criticise 1 goal/assist in 50% of games played)

[Phil MaGlass]

Clearly...but for all the plaudits the forehead has received this season, Hearts AND Hibs are joint 3rd top scorers in the league with 51 goals. However, they have conceded 39 Vs Hibs 58. We either don't have good enough defenders or enough defensively minded players. When you buy someone like Youan (8 goals and 11 assists in 40 games) you know he isn't going to track back like others so suddenly expecting him to is either delusional from Hibs or another example of the wrong type of player being recruited (difficult to criticise 1 goal/assist in 50% of games played)
I think what we are most annoyed at is his lack of trying to get back, a young player like him has the energy but he cant be ar5ed, drives me nuts, even when he loses posession and the player is 1 meter away from him he looks disinterested. Its not really difficult to criticise a player that doesnt put in 100%even with the amount of assists and goals, its a team effort.

[MWHIBBIES]

Clearly...but for all the plaudits the forehead has received this season, Hearts AND Hibs are joint 3rd top scorers in the league with 51 goals. However, they have conceded 39 Vs Hibs 58. We either don't have good enough defenders or enough defensively minded players. When you buy someone like Youan (8 goals and 11 assists in 40 games) you know he isn't going to track back like others so suddenly expecting him to is either delusional from Hibs or another example of the wrong type of player being recruited (difficult to criticise 1 goal/assist in 50% of games played)

If Mo Salah can press and cover his position defensively, Ellie Youan can too. He wont go higher than Hibs unless his work off the ball improves. Probably one of the reasons Boyle never got a decent move either.

[easty]

If Mo Salah can press and cover his position defensively, Ellie Youan can too. He wont go higher than Hibs unless his work off the ball improves. Probably one of the reasons Boyle never got a decent move either.

https://www.sofascore.com/player/compare?leftPlayerId=159665&leftPlayerSeasonId=52186&leftPlayerTournamentId=17&rightPlayerId=921362&rightPlayerSeasonId=52588&rightPlayerTournamentId=36

Stats for the season for Salah v Youan. Heat map shows Youan back a lot more, and his defensive stats are also better

[Lago]

https://www.sofascore.com/player/compare?leftPlayerId=159665&leftPlayerSeasonId=52186&leftPlayerTournamentId=17&rightPlayerId=921362&rightPlayerSeasonId=52588&rightPlayerTournamentId=36

Stats for the season for Salah v Youan. Heat map shows Youan back a lot more, and his defensive stats are also better
Shows how misleading stats can be when viewed in isolation

[Greenbeard]

I hope youre not suggesting his female companion was all these things :eek:
He's definitely not from Hawick.

[superfurryhibby]

Shows how misleading stats can be when viewed in isolation

Here's a stat to help you understand transfer values.

Melkersen sold for a million pounds, despite being pretty gash. He scored three goals in all competitions, from 30 appearances for Hibs (including sub appearances).

Youan has scored 19 goals and made 17 assist in 80 appearances.


Apples and pears indeed.

[Exuberance1875]

If hibs move Youan on, they will miss him badly. Underrated player, completely unpredictable and gets people off their seats.

Love watching him play

[MWHIBBIES]

https://www.sofascore.com/player/compare?leftPlayerId=159665&leftPlayerSeasonId=52186&leftPlayerTournamentId=17&rightPlayerId=921362&rightPlayerSeasonId=52588&rightPlayerTournamentId=36

Stats for the season for Salah v Youan. Heat map shows Youan back a lot more, and his defensive stats are also better

Fair enough. Do think Salahs probably had his poorest season at Liverpool. Few injuries. Would expect Hibs in general had much more defending to actually do than Liverpool.

At his and Liverpool's peak, they were pressing animals. Made is so difficult for teams. I think our attack has to improve a lot in terms of contribution to our shape. It's so easy to get through them and midfield and be running at our back 4. It's certainly not just Youan.

[Lago]

Here's a stat to help you understand transfer values.

Melkersen sold for a million pounds, despite being pretty gash. He scored three goals in all competitions, from 30 appearances for Hibs (including sub appearances).

Youan has scored 19 goals and made 17 assist in 80 appearances.


Apples and pears indeed.
We will have to wait and see won't we whether he's worth £2m or not, I wait with bated breath for the names of the clubs queuing at Hibs door.

[ancient hibee]

Fair enough. Do think Salahs probably had his poorest season at Liverpool. Few injuries. Would expect Hibs in general had much more defending to actually do than Liverpool.

At his and Liverpool's peak, they were pressing animals. Made is so difficult for teams. I think our attack has to improve a lot in terms of contribution to our shape. It's so easy to get through them and midfield and be running at our back 4. It's certainly not just Youan.
Too many pretend tacklers I’m afraid.

[gorgie greens]

Hoping that his friendship with Myziane might be to our benefit and get Myziane signed up plus a new manager with a bit of belief in Ellie and I can see him flourish even further.

[PHeffernan]

Here's a stat to help you understand transfer values.

Melkersen sold for a million pounds, despite being pretty gash. He scored three goals in all competitions, from 30 appearances for Hibs (including sub appearances).

Youan has scored 19 goals and made 17 assist in 80 appearances.


Apples and pears indeed.

Melkersen is only 21, Youan is 25 so there are your apples and pears right there.

Melkersen starts at centre forward every week for a team in the top tier in Norway (currently =7th).
Hibs brought him in too early hence why Bodo Glimt let us have him when they did. They knew he wasn't close to being ready.
I watch all his games and he is still not there yet but playing every week he will develop and start to hit his stride next season.
Stromgodset will sell him for good money in the January 2026 window.

IMO Hibs will sell Youan this summer which would have been the plan when he was signed. Montgomery sucked the life out of him. Should have left LJ in charge and we would have been selling for £3 million. Suspect we will get £2 million.

[easty]

Melkersen is only 21, Youan is 25 so there are your apples and pears right there.

Melkersen starts at centre forward every week for a team in the top tier in Norway (currently =7th).
Hibs brought him in too early hence why Bodo Glimt let us have him when they did. They knew he wasn't close to being ready.
I watch all his games and he is still not there yet but playing every week he will develop and start to hit his stride next season.
Stromgodset will sell him for good money in the January 2026 window.

IMO Hibs will sell Youan this summer which would have been the plan when he was signed. Montgomery sucked the life out of him. Should have left LJ in charge and we would have been selling for £3 million. Suspect we will get £2 million.

I dunno if Melkerson just didn't quite fit at Hibs, or into Scottish football, but with the exception of that double away at Motherwell he was nae good at all.

When he came on as a sub against Luzern last season he barely even looked like a footballer.

[Gettin' Auld]

Defenders defend, attackers attack. We have scored a good number of goals this season but conceded far too many. Let start off with sorting out our defence first.
We attack as a team and defend as a team.

[erin go bragh]

If Mo Salah can press and cover his position defensively, Ellie Youan can too. He wont go higher than Hibs unless his work off the ball improves. Probably one of the reasons Boyle never got a decent move either.

Boyle did get a decent move for 3m

[MWHIBBIES]

Boyle did get a decent move for 3m

He joined relegation fodder in the saudi league. That was a crap move

[superfurryhibby]

Melkersen is only 21, Youan is 25 so there are your apples and pears right there.

Melkersen starts at centre forward every week for a team in the top tier in Norway (currently =7th).
Hibs brought him in too early hence why Bodo Glimt let us have him when they did. They knew he wasn't close to being ready.
I watch all his games and he is still not there yet but playing every week he will develop and start to hit his stride next season.
Stromgodset will sell him for good money in the January 2026 window.

IMO Hibs will sell Youan this summer which would have been the plan when he was signed. Montgomery sucked the life out of him. Should have left LJ in charge and we would have been selling for £3 million. Suspect we will get £2 million.

The original discussion point was focused on the possible transfer fee. Apparently we got 1.2 for Melkersen. The guy I was discussing this with was scoffing at the idea of Hibs having been offered 1.8 for Youan. The apple and pears comment reflects the fact that one player hasn't really shown a great deal so far in top flight football (not to say he won't), the other has proven goals and assists and is currently a long way ahead of the other, as seen by my own eyes.

Whether Melkersen does the damage next season, who knows. I'm not really too bothered, but I don't think anyone can deny Youan is miles ahead of him just now in terms of being proven and able to play. You agree with what I said (I think)

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[CapitalGreen]

He joined relegation fodder in the saudi league. That was a crap move

The team he’d joined had just won the cup and qualified for the AFC Champions League.

[Brooster]

Only Joe Newell and Lewis Miller from Hibs have made more tackles this season than Danny Armstrong.

You got the stats on successful tackles?

[easty]

You got the stats on successful tackles?

As in a % of his total tackles? Nah, dunno where you could get that.

https://www.sofascore.com/player/joe-newell/151059#tab:statistics

This says he won 55% of his total duels.

[WestStandWillie]

A fine player when he's in the mood for it. When he's not, he's selfish and a waste of a jersey.

The new manager could get something out him but I suspect he'll be offski.

[CapitalGreen]

You got the stats on successful tackles?

Joe Newell ranks 207th in the league with 0.76 successful tackles per 90 minutes when ranked against all players who have played at least 90 minutes this season.

Source: Opta via https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/misc/Scottish-Premiership-Stats

[truehibernian]

Joe Newell ranks 207th in the league with 0.76 successful tackles per 90 minutes when ranked against all players who have played at least 90 minutes this season.

Source: Opta via https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/misc/Scottish-Premiership-Stats

That’s a horrendous statistic for a midfielder who’s played so regularly - anyone arguing “ah but tackling isn’t his game” needs their head examined. All midfielders should be able to win back possession in all areas of the pitch. Shocking stat that but thanks for posting 👍

[Nicho87]

Joe Newell ranks 207th in the league with 0.76 successful tackles per 90 minutes when ranked against all players who have played at least 90 minutes this season.

Source: Opta via https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/misc/Scottish-Premiership-Stats

Some folks preach and ram down your throat Joe Newell is different gravy!

Move on time

[easty]

Joe Newell ranks 207th in the league with 0.76 successful tackles per 90 minutes when ranked against all players who have played at least 90 minutes this season.

Source: Opta via https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/misc/Scottish-Premiership-Stats

Using the metric of successful tackles per game, for all players in the SPL, you have Rudi Molotnikov top, Euan Henderson and Harry McKirdy joint second.

[Brooster]

Joe Newell ranks 207th in the league with 0.76 successful tackles per 90 minutes when ranked against all players who have played at least 90 minutes this season.

Source: Opta via https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/misc/Scottish-Premiership-Stats

Thanks for that. It's pretty obvious that he can't tackle.

[CapitalGreen]

Using the metric of successful tackles per game, for all players in the SPL, you have Rudi Molotnikov top, Euan Henderson and Harry McKirdy joint second.

Yes, these are players who have played less than 90 minutes, as per my post these players were not included.

[GordonHFC]

Thanks for that. It's pretty obvious that he can't tackle.

He can tackle, he just can't do it without fouling.

[MWHIBBIES]

Some folks preach and ram down your throat Joe Newell is different gravy!

Move on time
No one on here does this. No one.


The team he’d joined had just won the cup and qualified for the AFC Champions League.

It was a crap move and he was back after 6 months.

[Scooter]

I hope he's OK and not badly injured. He's a fantastic player to watch at times

[BlackSheep]

Firstly I do hope he isn’t hurt.

But…..

Even with the neat tricks and flicks tonight he didn’t look interested unless he saw an opportunity to score… tracking back he looked like he barely broke out of a jog…. Talent or no talent, players who are there for the team and work their socks off for the full time on the pitch, attacking or defending will always get my vote.

Young Molotnikov deserves to keep the wide left position for the foreseeable.

[wookie70]

Pure Elie tonight. A run and shot that would have almost certainly have been goal of the season if it had went in instead of hitting the post. His marker had to pay back in a couple of times with some great skill from Elie. However, on the flip side lack any effort when we never had the ball and could have cost us a goal a short while before they scored after trying to take a man on around our box and losing it cheaply. For me if we can get a decent fee I would let him go. That team in teh first half looked like a team and Elie isn't really a team player

[Pretty Boy]

If that shot that hit the post had gone in we would be talking about a goal of the season contender after 2 games.

He was both good fun and frustrating tonight. Pretty typical really.

[Exuberance1875]

Fantastic player and a joy to watch. Edge of the seat player!

[Carheenlea]

If that shot that hit the post had gone in we would be talking about a goal of the season contender after 2 games.

He was both good fun and frustrating tonight. Pretty typical really.

That flash of brilliance tonight is why I’m always swayed towards retaining Youan. An entertainer, outrageous skills, but we know that he will at times have us tearing our hair out.

I’d be sorry to see him leave.

[Brightside]

One minute brilliant. One minute a negative. He’s a superstar in a team that doesn’t require workers.

[BILLYHIBS]

SDG said post match that if that strike from Eli had gone in and not hit the post it would have been the best goal he had ever seen at Easter Road The guy is frustrating but he is box office gets you out of your seat you just never know what he is going to do next Don’t know what he was doing with the goalie with 10 seconds to go and 5-0 up but fair play he saw a free ball and just went for it 100% in an attempt to win the ball and score another

[cameronw-hfc]

Firstly I do hope he isn’t hurt.

But…..

Even with the neat tricks and flicks tonight he didn’t look interested unless he saw an opportunity to score… tracking back he looked like he barely broke out of a jog…. Talent or no talent, players who are there for the team and work their socks off for the full time on the pitch, attacking or defending will always get my vote.

Young Molotnikov deserves to keep the wide left position for the foreseeable.



So so harsh. There were 2/3 really good moments of pressing from Elie. He literally got injured chasing down a lost cause.

He's not a defensive player and has serious lapses when he's needed to track back, but I don't think it'd laziness, or all that fair to be criticising him for today when we won 5-1 and he caused chaos after coming on.

Would be like me saying Vente done absolutely nothing defensively tonight so he's crap. Just doesn't make a lot of sense as of course his weakness comes at the opposite end of the pitch he plays.

[neil7908]

One minute brilliant. One minute a negative. He’s a superstar in a team that doesn’t require workers.

Those players don't do well in modern football. It's hard for any team to effectively play with a man down when they don't have the ball. For it to be worth it then we'd need to see a lot more goals and assists from Youan.

I was a big fan but he's not kicked on and we can't have that kind of attitude in the team. Makes life all that harder for the rest of the team, sets a bad example to younger players, and as we saw last season, will lose us points against half decent teams.

[dmc1875]

We’re lucky to have a player like Youan, that run was something else and just another glimpse of what he offers. Goals, assists and the type of player you should love to watch.

If he goes, we will miss him massively and need to replace him with two quality players

[Northernhibee]

Those players don't do well in modern football. It's hard for any team to effectively play with a man down when they don't have the ball. For it to be worth it then we'd need to see a lot more goals and assists from Youan.

I was a big fan but he's not kicked on and we can't have that kind of attitude in the team. Makes life all that harder for the rest of the team, sets a bad example to younger players, and as we saw last season, will lose us points against half decent teams.

I’m more entertained by a team playing to its full capability like we saw today than I am one player who can either show extreme flair or extreme lack of game awareness. He has his moments, but it’s not for me.

[ddoc]

I think he is a player you bring on when you are 3 up and cruising or 2 down and looking for a flash of brilliance to get you back in the game.

[neil7908]

I’m more entertained by a team playing to its full capability like we saw today than I am one player who can either show extreme flair or extreme lack of game awareness. He has his moments, but it’s not for me.

I agree and this goes back to my comment - not many successful modern teams can get away with someone like Youan starting games.

One of the things about Yamal is not just his ridiculous talent for his age, but he's already got the work ethic and mentality required of a top player. Rodri spoke about that when praising him and I think it's vital now unless you are Messi level (so basically no one).

Youan is the definition of a luxury player, and one that seems unwilling or unable to learn.

To build a team you need 11 players pulling for each other, fighting and giving their all. Like you I gain much more enjoyment watching a well drilled team playing football for each other and working well together as opposed to the odd act of brilliance.

If Youan stays then fine, but I'd be happy with a good fee and that chance to build a team. If he stays I suspect it will be on the bench most games.

[California-Hibs]

I agree and this goes back to my comment - not many successful modern teams can get away with someone like Youan starting games.

One of the things about Yamal is not just his ridiculous talent for his age, but he's already got the work ethic and mentality required of a top player. Rodri spoke about that when praising him and I think it's vital now unless you are Messi level (so basically no one).

Youan is the definition of a luxury player, and one that seems unwilling or unable to learn.

To build a team you need 11 players pulling for each other, fighting and giving their all. Like you I gain much more enjoyment watching a well drilled team playing football for each other and working well together as opposed to the odd act of brilliance.

If Youan stays then fine, but I'd be happy with a good fee and that chance to build a team. If he stays I suspect it will be on the bench most games.

Goals win games. Youan is a proven goalscorer at Hibs. How people are so easy with letting that go is astonishing. I get he has his frustrating moments but he has such a high level of skill that just doesn't come around often. He's also as I said, got a good scoring record.

Would personally be gutted to see him go.

[Libby Hibby]

Perhaps we now have the right management team in place to get the best out of Youan.

Talent is there for all to see but there are obvious improvements to his all round game required.

I’d keep him. Edge of seat type player.

[Stairway 2 7]

Just watched that Ellie shot again flick in his own half strides bast a couple then a shot from 30 yards, would have been up there with the best I've seen at ER. Got an assist too and from the bench. He'll get us over 10 goals and assists easy in a descent team. People who don't want him in our squad I'm certain don't have a clue about football

[GreenCastle]

Just watched that Ellie shot again flick in his own half strides bast a couple then a shot from 30 yards, would have been up there with the best I've seen at ER. Got an assist too and from the bench. He'll get us over 10 goals and assists easy in a descent team. People who don't want him in our squad I'm certain don't have a clue about football

100%

I want entertainment at Hibs and this guy gives us that.

Don’t want him to leave and if he does we will need to replace his X factor skills / goals / assists.

Of course his decision making can improve but at times he’s unplayable and it’s a joy to watch.

Any update how he is after the collision with the keeper ?

[lyonhibs]

For a support apparently steeped in the "Hibs way" of attacking football (although that's a lot of misty eyed nonsense IMO, but nevertheless a laudable aim) an awful lot of us seem set on a team of well drilled workaholic robots with no room for mavericks.

Youan drives me nuts at times with his game awareness and defensive effort but he also gets me on the edge of my seat with his touch and skill. If anyone offers north of 2/2.5 million then I'd say take it but if not, there's no way that it's impossible for Hibs to get another good season out of him (he got double figures both goals and assists last year in a dross season for the club, lest we forget)

[McGruber]

For a support apparently steeped in the "Hibs way" of attacking football (although that's a lot of misty eyed nonsense IMO, but nevertheless a laudable aim) an awful lot of us seem set on a team of well drilled workaholic robots with no room for mavericks.Youan drives me nuts at times with his game awareness and defensive effort but he also gets me on the edge of my seat with his touch and skill. If anyone offers north of 2/2.5 million then I'd say take it but if not, there's no way that it's impossible for Hibs to get another good season out of him (he got double figures both goals and assists last year in a dross season for the club, lest we forget)Absolutely agree, my thoughts exactly

[MWHIBBIES]

Happy to have him in the side. Think Gray will work on his flaws.

[McGruber]

I agree and this goes back to my comment - not many successful modern teams can get away with someone like Youan starting games. One of the things about Yamal is not just his ridiculous talent for his age, but he's already got the work ethic and mentality required of a top player. Rodri spoke about that when praising him and I think it's vital now unless you are Messi level (so basically no one). Youan is the definition of a luxury player, and one that seems unwilling or unable to learn.To build a team you need 11 players pulling for each other, fighting and giving their all. Like you I gain much more enjoyment watching a well drilled team playing football for each other and working well together as opposed to the odd act of brilliance.If Youan stays then fine, but I'd be happy with a good fee and that chance to build a team. If he stays I suspect it will be on the bench most games.Agree with the sentiment, just wonder when is it enough money for that chance to build a team? Will it be with a 2.5 million Youan sale? You'd think so - but thought so with the '6 million overall/couple million extra transfer kitty' Foley cash, then the 2.2 million extra share raise cash. If we sell Youan for couple million I suspect the likelihood would be the next set of accounts would look a bit better coupled with bringing in 1 maybe 2 at a push extra players than if we kept him - pretty much the same as the 3 million Doig cash etc. If he is happy to stay I would be keeping him

[BoyledEgg]

He’s just posted another cryptic message on Instagram

[Since452]

Very talented player but he doesn't show it enough for me. Frustrates me more than he excites me. When he's on it he's borderline unplayable. I think he'd push on this season like every player in the squad now we're not hamstrung by horrible tactics.

[Brightside]

He’s just posted another cryptic message on Instagram

He 100% wants to go.

[McSwanky]

He’s just posted another cryptic message on InstagramWhat did he say? Don't really do Instagram

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[theonlywayisup]

Exceptionally frustrating player to watch. Despite the amazing moments of skill, he's not a team player and I would be happy to see him move on.

[JohnM1875]

He’s just posted another cryptic message on Instagram

His Instagram story? If so don't think that's cryptic, he’s glad being back playing football is my take from it.

[Scooter]

He’s just posted another cryptic message on Instagram

What has he posted

[J-C]

What has he posted

It says, we appreciate it only when we have lost it.

[Liam89]

It says, we appreciate it only when we have lost it.You've purposely left out some context there...It says 'true happiness, we appreciate it only when we have lost it' with a clip of him on his superb run. It could be inferred that he missed playing competitive football and being on the pitch?

[BoyledEgg]

You've purposely left out some context there...It says 'true happiness, we appreciate it only when we have lost it' with a clip of him on his superb run. It could be inferred that he missed playing competitive football and being on the pitch?

He also put up an emoji of an egg timer at the end of the sentence. I took it as he’s saying, the fans are going to miss him when he’s gone. Can be read in different ways though I guess.

[Tyler Durden]

Let him go asap.

It’s important to have people who want to be here. His numbers aren’t that impressive anyway and we can improve collectively with him gone.

[keep the faith]

Let him go asap.

It’s important to have people who want to be here. His numbers aren’t that impressive anyway and we can improve collectively with him gone.

I know not everyone is a fan, but I reckon his numbers are pretty good....

[Tyler Durden]

I know not everyone is a fan, but I reckon his numbers are pretty good....

League performance last season was at a similar level to that of Graham Carey, Junior Hoillett and behind the likes of Blair Spittall and Danny Armstrong. So not that difficult to find a replacement who can do the tracking back aswell IMO.

Been a good couple of years for Youan, but surely this was always the plan? Give him 2 seasons to impress then move on for a profit.

[superfurryhibby]

Goals win games. Youan is a proven goalscorer at Hibs. How people are so easy with letting that go is astonishing. I get he has his frustrating moments but he has such a high level of skill that just doesn't come around often. He's also as I said, got a good scoring record.

Would personally be gutted to see him go.

I agree more with this than the negative stuff. Youan entertains and he is capable of dragging us back into games when we look clueless. The derby at Tynie last year being a good example. The squad will be weaker without him. I very much doubt we will bring in better to replace him.

[Smartie]

He’s being a prick.

Again.

Eject.

[WestStandWillie]

Youan's provided so many good moments for us from an attacking perspective over the last few years but defensively he was a nightmare who offered no support to those behind him. When you're struggling in the league, as we were for large parts of last season, you need everyone puling together.He felt like a luxury at times and i'd be accepting any bid over £2 million for him. Can't be bothered with his social media cryptic nonsense either. Grow up pal.

[Tyler Durden]

Was it 3 league games he scored in last season? Hardly a goal machine.

[Coco Bryce]

He’s being a prick.

Again.

Eject.

This.

He thinks he's way better than he is.

[CallumLaidlaw]

This.

He thinks he's way better than he is.

Which is funny cos there’s a load of Hibs fans that think he’s a lot worse than he is.


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[Callum_62]

He’s being a prick.

Again.

Eject.In what way?

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[Broken Gnome]

I'd like him to stay if he wants to be there, and don't think you can doubt his commitment too much given he was linking with others and showing some OTT bravery when getting injured late on.

Can't help but feel he didn't look happy at all - not even a glance at the crowd that was applauding him when going to warm up, and just generally looked pretty muted despite playing well when he came on.

[CL0762]

This.

He thinks he's way better than he is.

I love this statement - “he thinks he’s better than he is”.

Something that was levied at Porteous as well, how can you have any idea how good Elie thinks he is?

[CapitalGreen]

League performance last season was at a similar level to that of Graham Carey, Junior Hoillett and behind the likes of Blair Spittall and Danny Armstrong. So not that difficult to find a replacement who can do the tracking back aswell IMO.

Been a good couple of years for Youan, but surely this was always the plan? Give him 2 seasons to impress then move on for a profit.

You’ve compared him to 4 players who take set pieces and penalties, which Youan does not - all of his goal contributions are from open play.

[superfurryhibby]

Was it 3 league games he scored in last season? Hardly a goal machine.

Do other games not count?

He scored ten goals and made ten assists in 43 games across all competitive fixtures.

He made the starting 11 on 33 occasions.

It's a good return, let's not pretend it isn't, whatever the merits of his tracking back etc, yawn, etc.

[Tyler Durden]

Do other games not count?

He scored ten goals and made ten assists in 43 games across all competitive fixtures.

He made the starting 11 on 33 occasions.

It's a good return, let's not pretend it isn't, whatever the merits of his tracking back etc, yawn, etc.

Well League returns are pretty much like for like. Other than top 6/bottom 6 all the players have the same opportunities.

Rather than including cup games against lower league teams and part timers.

[Springbank]

I have to tip my hat to SDG for the way we've approached the start of the season. His starting XI works hard, looks dangerous going forward, but, most importantly, works its socks off out of possession & looks solid / difficult to score against. An effective TEAM rather than a collection of self-important individuals (which the last few years has - at times - looked like). That is really excellent management. I'm sorry to say but when Youan, Levitt and Rocky came on, we gave the opposition a lot more space to attack us, we tracked back less intensely, and we were slower on the ball when in possession. i think SDG is getting his first XI just about right, on the evidence so far

[CapitalGreen]

I have to tip my hat to SDG for the way we've approached the start of the season. His starting XI works hard, looks dangerous going forward, but, most importantly, works its socks off out of possession & looks solid / difficult to score against. An effective TEAM rather than a collection of self-important individuals (which the last few years has - at times - looked like). That is really excellent management. I'm sorry to say but when Youan, Levitt and Rocky came on, we gave the opposition a lot more space to attack us, we tracked back less intensely, and we were slower on the ball when in possession. i think SDG is getting his first XI just about right, on the evidence so far

Megwa and Amos came on too.

[B.H.F.C]

I have to tip my hat to SDG for the way we've approached the start of the season. His starting XI works hard, looks dangerous going forward, but, most importantly, works its socks off out of possession & looks solid / difficult to score against. An effective TEAM rather than a collection of self-important individuals (which the last few years has - at times - looked like). That is really excellent management. I'm sorry to say but when Youan, Levitt and Rocky came on, we gave the opposition a lot more space to attack us, we tracked back less intensely, and we were slower on the ball when in possession. i think SDG is getting his first XI just about right, on the evidence so far

The way we are working out of possession has been evident right from the first game against Edinburgh City. It’s night and day to last season.

Obviously there are far bigger tests to come but I’ve seen enough to be encouraged by it. Big test will be when we get something going against us. It’s always easy to work so hard when everything is fresh and new and the pitches and weather are nice. We’ve seen it plenty times where everyone is happy and working hard initially before it goes tits up. Hope it’s different this time, I have a good feeling about things.

[TheHibernator]

He’s being a prick.Again.Eject.Agree. Thinks he's bigger than the club. I've backed him but his attitude stinks. Always with the cryptic messages, commenting on Hibs posts trying to get a reaction out of fans. He's not good enough to put up with the baggage IMO.

[Stairway 2 7]

Agree. Thinks he's bigger than the club. I've backed him but his attitude stinks. Always with the cryptic messages, commenting on Hibs posts trying to get a reaction out of fans. He's not good enough to put up with the baggage IMO.

Maybe it's just utter radges reading what they want from a message that could mean anything

[CapitalGreen]

Maybe it's just utter radges reading what they want from a message that could mean anything

:agree: The football equivalent of Detective Karen’s on Facebook.

[superfurryhibby]

Well League returns are pretty much like for like. Other than top 6/bottom 6 all the players have the same opportunities.

Rather than including cup games against lower league teams and part timers.

Yes, cup games where he scored important goals against FC Luzern, St Mirren, Raith Rovers and Inverness CT, other than that, you're right.

[USA_Hibee]

I like him. Would rather have him than be against him.

[Exuberance1875]

I like him. Would rather have him than be against him.

This 100%

[TimeForHeroes32]

36 goal contributions across his first 2 seasons playing for a very poor Hibs side. 37 including his assist last night. I really don’t get why fans are trying to undervalue him. If an old firm player was pulling out these stats they’d be asking for stupid money for him. Worth a lot more than the 2.5mil we were offered for him and rightly so holding out for more.

If Gray can get the best form out of him and play to his strengths then he will be pulling out another season of 20+ goal contributions especially now looks like Vente will be playing in his best position as well. Just needs to get his confidence back after it’s clear he lost that after Montgomery

[Smartie]

Oh, and re his shot that hit the post? He should have passed it, he had a man free and in a dangerous position ahead of him and on the right. That's the sort of decision that costs us points in other situations.

[Coco Bryce]

I love this statement - “he thinks he’s better than he is”.

Something that was levied at Porteous as well, how can you have any idea how good Elie thinks he is?

You clearly haven't seen his social media.

[superfurryhibby]

Oh, and re his shot that hit the post? He should have passed it, he had a man free and in a dangerous position ahead of him and on the right. That's the sort of decision that costs us points in other situations.

Aye, maybe if we weren't five goals ahead at the time, that would really really matter.

[erin go bragh]

Oh, and re his shot that hit the post? He should have passed it, he had a man free and in a dangerous position ahead of him and on the right. That's the sort of decision that costs us points in other situations.

His run and shot was wonderful and very unlucky to come back of the post. That's the type of play that i love to watch. The guy is a maverick and managed properly, could see us getting a large sum for him.

[TheHibernator]

Maybe it's just utter radges reading what they want from a message that could mean anythingNah it's not. Hibs, on Instagram, posted the numbers for the upcoming season - fans in the comments were moaning (as usual) about the quality of the team in general, nobody was specifically mentioned. Elie took it up on himself to comment on the post an emoji of a blind man with a cane - in reference to the Hibs fans - it's just massively unprofessional.

[flash]

Oh, and re his shot that hit the post? He should have passed it, he had a man free and in a dangerous position ahead of him and on the right. That's the sort of decision that costs us points in other situations.

This has to be satirical.

[Smartie]

Aye, maybe if we weren't five goals ahead at the time, that would really really matter.

The thing is, that's what he does whether we're 5 goals up against Queens Park or needing a goal at Motherwell to make top six.

Then he goes and gets a couple of goals in a couple of minutes at Tynecastle though.

I do get it.

[CapitalGreen]

Nah it's not. Hibs, on Instagram, posted the numbers for the upcoming season - fans in the comments were moaning (as usual) about the quality of the team in general, nobody was specifically mentioned. Elie took it up on himself to comment on the post an emoji of a blind man with a cane - in reference to the Hibs fans - it's just massively unprofessional.

That’s actually quite funny, there is some really sensitive folk in the Hibs support.

[CL0762]

You clearly haven't seen his social media.

I have seen his social media.

Can you point me to the posts where he “thinks he’s better than he is”?

[TheHibernator]

That’s actually quite funny, there is some really sensitive folk in the Hibs support.Bit like some of our players it would seem.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nah it's not. Hibs, on Instagram, posted the numbers for the upcoming season - fans in the comments were moaning (as usual) about the quality of the team in general, nobody was specifically mentioned. Elie took it up on himself to comment on the post an emoji of a blind man with a cane - in reference to the Hibs fans - it's just massively unprofessional.

Didn't see that well done him backing his team mates, been proven right the first two games. We've got a decent squad and with a few additions and a competent manager should be walking into Europe.

Some of our fans are unreal. I've even seen them complain when Elie gets the ball in his own half skins a player with a flick, strides past two and hits the post from 30 yards. I think they are probably fishing though ha

[neil7908]

Youan's provided so many good moments for us from an attacking perspective over the last few years but defensively he was a nightmare who offered no support to those behind him. When you're struggling in the league, as we were for large parts of last season, you need everyone puling together.He felt like a luxury at times and i'd be accepting any bid over £2 million for him. Can't be bothered with his social media cryptic nonsense either. Grow up pal.

Agreed 100%. I suspect the folk creaming at him hitting a post vs a lower league team have forgotten his complete and utter inability to track back, tackle or look up when he's dribbling to find a pass.

Numerous games last season he (rightly) got pelters on here for his attitude and complete disinterest in doing anything vaguely unselfish for the team. He's also been desperate for a move since signing according to plenty of reputable posters on here.

If he was 19 or 20 I'd keep but at 25 it's clear he isn't going to learn.

I don't think we can afford to keep a £2m+ player on the bench but sadly that's his best position.

[ancient hibee]

Agreed 100%. I suspect the folk creaming at him hitting a post vs a lower league team have forgotten his complete and utter inability to track back, tackle or look up when he's dribbling to find a pass.Numerous games last season he (rightly) got pelters on here for his attitude and complete disinterest in doing anything vaguely unselfish for the team. He's also been desperate for a move since signing according to plenty of reputable posters on here.If he was 19 or 20 I'd keep but at 25 it's clear he isn't going to learn.I don't think we can afford to keep a £2m+ player on the bench but sadly that's his best position.“Reputable posters” That’s as pompous a post as th earlier one objecting to him hitting the post from 20 yards when the game was long over. Maybe I’m just missing the jokes today.

[hibsbollah]

Im a big Youan fan, hope to see plenty of him this season. The rest is up to SDG and what he sees of him in every time he trains. Even in a team of willing foot soldiers and workaholic water carriers you need an unpredictable maverick. Otherwise the opponents start to expect what’s coming.

[worcesterhibby]

The fact of the matter is. It’s pretty clear that when he’s on the pitch, both teams are more likely to score. I really don’t think anyone can argue with that. It means he’s both an asset and a liability on the pitch. He nearly scored a worldie last night, but he also lost the ball that led to their goal by being too clever and over complicating things. I’m more excited when he’s on the pitch, but I’m also a lot more nervous.

[flash]

The fact of the matter is. It’s pretty clear that when he’s on the pitch, both teams are more likely to score. I really don’t think anyone can argue with that. It means he’s both an asset and a liability on the pitch. He nearly scored a worldie last night, but he also lost the ball that led to their goal by being too clever and over complicating things. I’m more excited when he’s on the pitch, but I’m also a lot more nervous.

Was he not off the park injured when they scored?

[Callum_62]

Was he not off the park injured when they scored?He was but it was his injury that caused the free kick that led to there goal [emoji23]

He also was very fortunate not to give a goal away when he lost the ball inside our own box

I suspect that's what the poster was confusing

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[Frazerbob]

Im a big Youan fan, hope to see plenty of him this season. The rest is up to SDG and what he sees of him in every time he trains. Even in a team of willing foot soldiers and workaholic water carriers you need an unpredictable maverick. Otherwise the opponents start to expect what’s coming.

This 100%. Some of my favorite players over the years have offered f-all defensively. Deek, Sparky, Mikey O'Neil, Crunchie, Latapy........these are the guys that get bums on seats (and fans off their seats). Whilst Ellie is not in that esteemed group, his cameo last night was worth the £16 ticket price alone. The stick he gets astounds me.

[Silky]

Nah it's not. Hibs, on Instagram, posted the numbers for the upcoming season - fans in the comments were moaning (as usual) about the quality of the team in general, nobody was specifically mentioned. Elie took it up on himself to comment on the post an emoji of a blind man with a cane - in reference to the Hibs fans - it's just massively unprofessional.

Yet fans can criticise players. Works both ways IMO.

[.Sean.]

Nah it's not. Hibs, on Instagram, posted the numbers for the upcoming season - fans in the comments were moaning (as usual) about the quality of the team in general, nobody was specifically mentioned. Elie took it up on himself to comment on the post an emoji of a blind man with a cane - in reference to the Hibs fans - it's just massively unprofessional.What post was this and when

[The Modfather]

We’ve been poor for so long with individual talents like Youan and his epithet of “on his day”. We then look at someone like Hearts and think on an individual basis we compare favourably. Yet they have been 3rd, 4th, 3rd. We can only dream of that kind of consistency. They don’t have any mercurial talents like Youan.

Essentially if we want to be consistent like Hearts have been we need to be a hard working team that consistently grinds out results. You can’t do that with players like Youan.

[CapitalGreen]

We’ve been poor for so long with individual talents like Youan and his epithet of “on his day”. We then look at someone like Hearts and think on an individual basis we compare favourably. Yet they have been 3rd, 4th, 3rd. We can only dream of that kind of consistency. They don’t have any mercurial talents like Youan.

Essentially if we want to be consistent like Hearts have been we need to be a hard working team that consistently grinds out results. You can’t do that with players like Youan.

Forrest, Oda, Vargas, McKay are all players that would be describe as “on their day” players by Hearts supporters. Not sure any of them would be described as mercurial talents because none of them are as talented as Youan.

[hibsbollah]

Forrest, Oda, Vargas, McKay are all players that would be describe as “on their day” players by Hearts supporters. Not sure any of them would be described as mercurial talents because none of them are as talented as Youan.

Yes, i think we’re confusing ourselves if we assume all other teams’ players are consistent, that its just a Hibs thing, they just aren’t. Consistency is equally a factor in defence, in goals, and its just as normal to have an extremely inconsistent hairy ersed holding mid as it is an inconsistent tricky winger like Youan. Alan o brien was extremely consistent, unfortunately he was consistently gash.

[The Modfather]

Forrest, Oda, Vargas, McKay are all players that would be describe as “on their day” players by Hearts supporters. Not sure any of them would be described as mercurial talents because none of them are as talented as Youan.

I’ll admit I don’t know a great deal about those listed, so may well be wrong, but I thought they were attacking players/wingers more like Boyle, to varying degrees of quality, but you generally know what to expect from them.

There can’t be many players in sides that are consistent over multiple seasons with players that vere from either match winner to total liability depending on what side of the bed they got out of that morning.

If Youan was showing signs of refining his very rough edges, or was a free transfer, not one we paid a good fee for, then I’d be more inclined to keep him. However at 25 and after 2 years, this is the player he always will be and why he’s at our level splitting opinions.

[Pytheas]

Agree. Thinks he's bigger than the club. I've backed him but his attitude stinks. Always with the cryptic messages, commenting on Hibs posts trying to get a reaction out of fans. He's not good enough to put up with the baggage IMO.I mind when baggage meant headbutting karaokists, racist songs and taking a slash in nightclubs. Not emojis.

[Greenio]

A prick? For clapping back on social media and posting cryptic messages?

Cmon!

Hes done well for us and will net us a profit.

What more do you want?

[Carheenlea]

Im a big Youan fan, hope to see plenty of him this season. The rest is up to SDG and what he sees of him in every time he trains. Even in a team of willing foot soldiers and workaholic water carriers you need an unpredictable maverick. Otherwise the opponents start to expect what’s coming.

100%

[TheHibernator]

What post was this and whenOn Hibs Instagram, they posted a photo showing the squad numbers for the upcoming season. 2 or 3 weeks back now probably.

[TheHibernator]

I mind when baggage meant headbutting karaokists, racist songs and taking a slash in nightclubs. Not emojis.Baggage means feelings, beliefs or circumstances that have a negative effect on things. It may only be an emoji but it's symbolic of his feelings toward the general Hibs support and it's not the first time. Only a matter of time imo.

[CapitalGreen]

Baggage means feelings, beliefs or circumstances that have a negative effect on things. It may only be an emoji but it's symbolic of his feelings toward the general Hibs support and it's not the first time. Only a matter of time imo.

It’s not indicative of his feelings towards the general Hibs support, it’s indicative of his feelings towards the types of loser that posts snidey comments under Hibs Instagram posts.

[flash]

Baggage means feelings, beliefs or circumstances that have a negative effect on things. It may only be an emoji but it's symbolic of his feelings toward the general Hibs support and it's not the first time. Only a matter of time imo.

Only the morons, not the rest of us.

[500miles]

It’s not indicative of his feelings towards the general Hibs support, it’s indicative of his feelings towards the types of loser that posts snidey comments under Hibs Instagram posts.

Players can see what people post. It's going to impact their opinion on the club and fans.

[superfurryhibby]

Only the morons, not the rest of us.

It's almost like some folk can't distinguish between the two.

We really have some utter welts posting on social media, this place is the epitome of moderation by comparison, but we do have some right sensitive wee souls.

[Ship of Hope]

I hope he stays. IMO he was hung out to dry by Monty. Youan is never going to be the guy that thunders into tackles or defends a 1:0 lead with minutes to go. When this is a requirement like when we were a bawhair from achieving top six, he should have been subbed.However, going forward he is a joy to watch. He has that bit of magic that stands him out from the crowd. We should applaud his goal contributions and assists. Being creative is the hardest thing in football. Does he make bad decisions at times, for sure. Who doesn’t?I also think he is a team player, defending is just not his area of expertise. Hopefully SDG can improve him in all aspects of his game, but I appreciate his maverick nature. We need to get behind him and give him confidence.

[BILLYHIBS]

I hope he stays. IMO he was hung out to dry by Monty. Youan is never going to be the guy that thunders into tackles or defends a 1:0 lead with minutes to go. When this is a requirement like when we were a bawhair from achieving top six, he should have been subbed.However, going forward he is a joy to watch. He has that bit of magic that stands him out from the crowd. We should applaud his goal contributions and assists. Being creative is the hardest thing in football. Does he make bad decisions at times, for sure. Who doesn’t?I also think he is a team player, defending is just not his area of expertise. Hopefully SDG can improve him in all aspects of his game, but I appreciate his maverick nature. We need to get behind him and give him confidence.

This

We are lucky to have him

Would still take anything north of 2m

Guy is worth the admission alone

[TheHibernator]

https://x.com/wallace92hfc/status/1825510384129699898?s=46

Beyond a ****ing joke now.

The guy will want away and I can’t blame him at all.

[gramskiwood]

https://x.com/wallace92hfc/status/1825510384129699898?s=46

Beyond a ****ing joke now.

The guy will want away and I can’t blame him at all.

Completely out of order but players need to have a thick skin if they are to go on social media.

[MWHIBBIES]

Completely out of order but players need to have a thick skin if they are to go on social media.

Why?

Why cant people just behave themselves and not abuse players in their personal messages?

[Trinity Hibee]

Why?

Why cant people just behave themselves and not abuse players in their personal messages?

Very naive view of the world I’m afraid

[greenlex]

Completely out of order but players need to have a thick skin if they are to go on social media.
Not for me. Just because you’re a footballer you shouldn’t need either thick skin nor have to put up with personal abuse. No one should.

[hibee-boys]

Not for me. Just because you’re a footballer you shouldn’t need either thick skin nor have to put up with personal abuse. No one should.

You’re correct, no one should. Nobody in their right mind would condone that abuse and I hope there’s serious consequences for the little sxxx. However, given the unrestricted nature of that type of social media it makes me wonder why anybody in the public eye is prepared to have to digest the filth that more often or not comes from a minority. Isn’t there a way to restrict who can post/view content. I’m only on Facebook and only my friends can comment or post on my page, I take it it’s not the same elsewhere🤷🏼

[gramskiwood]

Not for me. Just because you’re a footballer you shouldn’t need either thick skin nor have to put up with personal abuse. No one should.

I agree but that's not the world that we inhabit, unfortunately.

[Pretty Boy]

It's beyond belief that someone would send that directly to a player. You really have to question the mentality of them. Bizarre behaviour and no wonder Youan keeps biting back. It must be exhausting reading stuff like that every other day.

[hibsbollah]

Completely out of order but players need to have a thick skin if they are to go on social media.

You could say the same about teachers, or weathermen, or any other job. Telling someone to have a thick skin is just victim blaming.

[MWHIBBIES]

Very naive view of the world I’m afraid

:faf: aye, okay.

[Bostonhibby]

It's beyond belief that someone would send that directly to a player. You really have to question the mentality of them. Bizarre behaviour and no wonder Youan keeps biting back. It must be exhausting reading stuff like that every other day.Yep, some character who is obviously 100% successful and committed at everything they do judging a decent guy and very entertaining footballer by their own stellar standards?

Or having their 5 minutes of fame in their own wee world/under the stairs cupboard.



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[gramskiwood]

You could say the same about teachers, or weathermen, or any other job. Telling someone to have a thick skin is just victim blaming.

No it's not. I'm not condoning it I'm just saying that it's the way social media is.

[lugz]

https://x.com/wallace92hfc/status/1825510384129699898?s=46

Beyond a ****ing joke now.

The guy will want away and I can’t blame him at all.

Surely there won't be too many hibs fans with the same name, get them banned right away.

[Pretty Boy]

No it's not. I'm not condoning it I'm just saying that it's the way social media is.

I appreciate you aren't condoning it and whilst I don't agree players just have to accept that it's part and parcel of their profession I understand the point you are making.

Maybe it could be argued that it's the way social media is at least in part because we choose to just accept that is the case though. Maybe if more people more vocally challenged such behaviour then it would be more taboo than it currently is.

I read an article on Facebook the other day about the homophobia Graeme Le Saux suffered when he played and how badly it impacted him. I made the point that maybe people had to realise that such 'banter' had consequences. 40K people signing about you being 'bent' and fellow pros, Robbie Fowler being a notable example, encouraging it must have an impact. I was met with a barrage of responses about it being 'a laugh', that I was 'woke' or that people had to 'man up'. It's staggering really that people can read about a guy who was traumatised by an unfounded allegation made because he was a bit different and say he should just suck it up because it's banter or part of being a footballer. I believe if more people were confronted with the consequences of their actions on a more regular basis it would make it harder to justify the behaviour or even pass it off as one of those things.

[hibsbollah]

No it's not. I'm not condoning it I'm just saying that it's the way social media is.

So call it out and make it a better place. Its not Elie’s responsibility to develop a thick skin.

Edit-PB has said it far more eloquently than me above.

[basehibby]

Not for me. Just because you’re a footballer you shouldn’t need either thick skin nor have to put up with personal abuse. No one should.

In an ideal world yes - but we are talking about the collision of social media and football fans here!

Social Media often seems to bring the worst out of people - it's the combo of a platform to the world and anonymity I suppose - and football supports also include the full gamut of personalities including the primordially stupid and the mentally disturbed - and sometimes, as seems to be the case with Elie's conversation linked above - a combination of both.

What that means is that footballers choosing to have a social media presence must have a VERY thick skin and always remember that just because a deranged idiot decides to insult you it's not representative of how a club's support as a whole regards you. All in all I'd say that footballers would be well served to not just bother with social media - or to put in place suitable restrictions to protect yourself from the inevitable array of bams that populate it.

[Trinity Hibee]

:faf: aye, okay.

What’s funny? No one condones what goes on on social media but it happens, we all know it. To be honest I should no better than engaging with you on posts to be honest. Incredibly tiring seeing your username pop up all over the place incessantly

[Tambo]

If you look at the comments which some probably did, there is a screenshot of another message, this time a fan asking when he will be back and his reply was "in your dreams" then he's asked do you want to stay at Hibs... "No"

Can really blame him and hope we get a half decent fee for him sooner than later.

[gramskiwood]

So call it out and make it a better place. Its not Elie’s responsibility to develop a thick skin.

Edit-PB has said it far more eloquently than me above.

I do call it out, it's not acceptable at all. Unfortunately that doesnae stop people doing it.

[SunshineOnLeith]

No it's not. I'm not condoning it I'm just saying that it's the way social media is.

Bet you think Vinicius Jnr should just develop a thicker skin as well.

[Northernhibee]

Bet you think Vinicius Jnr should just develop a thicker skin as well.

That’s a disgusting comment to make. Have a think about your post.

[gramskiwood]

Bet you think Vinicius Jnr should just develop a thicker skin as well.

No. The point I tried to make is that all high profile people get abuse on social media to some extent.
I'm not saying it should not be "called out" or condemned but it is everywhere on social media.

[SHODAN]

Love it. Put up with racist **** from no name acccounts day in day out but the minute you try even any weak pushback you're "just as bad." Pathetic.

[jeffers]

Love it. Put up with racist **** from no name acccounts day in day out but the minute you try even any weak pushback you're "just as bad." Pathetic.

What racist abuse has he had ?

[Aldo]

Can only hope the club are looking at the lad responsible (looks about 13) and takes the appropriate action and bans him.

From the videos on social media looks like a Block 7 wanna be!

[heidtheba]

I appreciate you aren't condoning it and whilst I don't agree players just have to accept that it's part and parcel of their profession I understand the point you are making.

Maybe it could be argued that it's the way social media is at least in part because we choose to just accept that is the case though. Maybe if more people more vocally challenged such behaviour then it would be more taboo than it currently is.

I read an article on Facebook the other day about the homophobia Graeme Le Saux suffered when he played and how badly it impacted him. I made the point that maybe people had to realise that such 'banter' had consequences. 40K people signing about you being 'bent' and fellow pros, Robbie Fowler being a notable example, encouraging it must have an impact. I was met with a barrage of responses about it being 'a laugh', that I was 'woke' or that people had to 'man up'. It's staggering really that people can read about a guy who was traumatised by an unfounded allegation made because he was a bit different and say he should just suck it up because it's banter or part of being a footballer. I believe if more people were confronted with the consequences of their actions on a more regular basis it would make it harder to justify the behaviour or even pass it off as one of those things.

I read something about Le Saux years ago. Didn't he get it from Andy Townsend too? And some abuse because he read the Guardian? Ridiculous. IIRC Le Saux never went down the 'But i'm not gay!' argument (and he isn't) because he knew that was shifting the focus from the homophobia being wrong to, "well, it is wrong, but it just shouldn't be aimed at me". Credit to him for that, others would have used that chance. Just because someone is good at football and enjoys it, doesn't mean they have the mental capacity to deal with the abuse. Nor should they.

[tamig]

Can only hope the club are looking at the lad responsible (looks about 13) and takes the appropriate action and bans him.

From the videos on social media looks like a Block 7 wanna be!

He’ll be a wrong ‘un. One of those infamous hangers-on.

[MWHIBBIES]

What’s funny? No one condones what goes on on social media but it happens, we all know it. To be honest I should no better than engaging with you on posts to be honest. Incredibly tiring seeing your username pop up all over the place incessantly

You don't condone it then immediately make personal comments towards me? Make up your mind.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I agree but that's not the world that we inhabit, unfortunately.

accepting that is part of the problem. Maybe is better labelled anti social or anything but social media.

[Trinity Hibee]

You don't condone it then immediately make personal comments towards me? Make up your mind.

Oh a personal comment. Lock them up!!

[Kato]

https://x.com/wallace92hfc/status/1825510384129699898?s=46

Beyond a ****ing joke now.

The guy will want away and I can’t blame him at all.No different to some the so called "opinions" on here.

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[cameronw-hfc]

Elie is not in the wrong here imo. He gets it worse than most in our team despite being one of our best players, if I got that type of abuse daily I know for a fact i'd kick off about it too. Don't get this 'its part of the job'/'needs to have thick skin' crap either. Footballers are humans and unfortunately words genuinely hurt, a lot at times. It's nothing to do with having thicker skin, its the fans fault, plain and simple. We've got some right idiots in our support that seem desperate to abuse, mostly teens trying to be edgy.

[JimBHibees]

I appreciate you aren't condoning it and whilst I don't agree players just have to accept that it's part and parcel of their profession I understand the point you are making.

Maybe it could be argued that it's the way social media is at least in part because we choose to just accept that is the case though. Maybe if more people more vocally challenged such behaviour then it would be more taboo than it currently is.

I read an article on Facebook the other day about the homophobia Graeme Le Saux suffered when he played and how badly it impacted him. I made the point that maybe people had to realise that such 'banter' had consequences. 40K people signing about you being 'bent' and fellow pros, Robbie Fowler being a notable example, encouraging it must have an impact. I was met with a barrage of responses about it being 'a laugh', that I was 'woke' or that people had to 'man up'. It's staggering really that people can read about a guy who was traumatised by an unfounded allegation made because he was a bit different and say he should just suck it up because it's banter or part of being a footballer. I believe if more people were confronted with the consequences of their actions on a more regular basis it would make it harder to justify the behaviour or even pass it off as one of those things.

Couldn’t agree more especially when there is much more awareness in regards to mental health

[LaMotta]

Completely out of order but players need to have a thick skin if they are to go on social media.

Not sure why you are getting so much stick for posting a sensible point to be honest. Just because it shouldn't be like that doesn't mean it isnt in reality. The message to Youan looks like it comes from a 13 year old who looks a few fries short of a happy meal. Maybe it was his dumb little mates thinking they were funny. Either way the wee lad is going to be in for a shock the next few days and he will hopefully very much regret what has happened.

Interesting article here from the Grimsby vice chairman about the challenge of keeping players away from social media. They are all advised to stay away from it:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/03/it-is-getting-harder-for-footballers-to-survive-the-social-media-abusers#:~:text=A%20generation%20of%20young%20play ers,cycle%20for%20those%20young%20minds.

[truehibernian]

No different to some the so called "opinions" on here.

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Players read here and the Bounce as do family members - some may even have accounts 👀

All directed abuse is unnecessary, constructive opinion is fine, not abuse. But social media is an easier outlet to be an attention seeker these days. Abuse of football players won’t ever go away, naive of anyone to think so. Mind I still hope my verbals towards Neil Berry is still ringing in his ears 😂

The wee idiots directing abuse to Ellie is completely wrong and unacceptable , but I’d just avoid social media or come off it altogether. Less hassle.

[Greenio]

Boy could do with just taking a break from social media.

Some Hibs fan messaged him on Insta, saying cant wait to see you back on the pitch GGTTH.

Ellie replies to him - 'in your dreams lol'

We all know hes leaving and he's obviously been affected by the disgusting abuse from absolute pond life, but aye...social media, sometimes it's good to just put it in the bin for a bit, esp for those in the public eye