Longbangers Podcast

[matty_f]

Feeling detached from the club
Too corporate?
What needs to be reviewed?
Do we need an academy?

All this and more in our phone in!
https://www.youtube.com/live/yCHwkq7vtVk?si=syir6PjFNi5GbKg5

[Donegal Hibby]

Enjoyed that ! . Good hearing different opinions . 👍
I could never really understand why fans have it in for certain players and what's to be gained by giving them stick during or after a game , Mckirdy coming on at Aberdeen was a classic example . Suppose some folk are always going to have players to blame for everything like your Campbells , Mckirdy's , Rocky's or Elie Youan's unfortunately.

Just about the youth academy which is a good thing imo , didn't we not get Scott Brown after he was released by Sevco , seem to remember getting told it was because he was to small?.

[Itsnoteasy]

Enjoyed that ! . Good hearing different opinions . 👍
I could never really understand why fans have it in for certain players and what's to be gained by giving them stick during or after a game , Mckirdy coming on at Aberdeen was a classic example . Suppose some folk are always going to have players to blame for everything like your Campbells , Mckirdy's , Rocky's or Elie Youan's unfortunately.

Just about the youth academy which is a good thing imo , didn't we not get Scott Brown after he was released by Sevco , seem to remember getting told it was because he was to small?.

Mckirdy was £h1t3 & put a few negative comments about Hibs on his twitter account.

[Bridge hibs]

Mckirdy was £h1t3 & put a few negative comments about Hibs on his twitter account.

I dont think I remember that, what did he say ?

[Donegal Hibby]

Mckirdy was £h1t3 & put a few negative comments about Hibs on his twitter account.

Was that something about a bench , Chelsea , golf ...... ? .

[Bridge hibs]

Was that something about a bench , Chelsea , golf ...... ? .

So he hates sitting on the bench, supports Chelsea and is **** at golf ?

The only thing wrong with that is admitting you support chelsea and play golf 🤣

[JohnM1875]

Was that something about a bench , Chelsea , golf ...... ? .

That was just a joke to be fair to him. Not a particularly funny one if you're a Hibs fan right enough.

Did he not like a Swindon Town fans post about coming 'back home' last season as well?

[Donegal Hibby]

So he hates sitting on the bench, supports Chelsea and is **** at golf ?

The only thing wrong with that is admitting you support chelsea and play golf 🤣

Yeah I'd be keeping that quiet right enough 😂

[Donegal Hibby]

That was just a joke to be fair to him. Not a particularly funny one if you're a Hibs fan right enough.

Did he not like a Swindon Town fans post about coming 'back home' last season as well?

Seeing as he played with for them and they liked him i would doubt the guy meant much harm though probably was silly thing for him to do though .

Didn't Kenneh not do something as well ? . I suppose it just shows that players are humans too in they make mistakes and do daft things too .

One thing I do think though is when he was coming on for us against Aberdeen , he's coming on to do his best and once he has the green n white shirt on our fans shouldn't have boo 'd him . It didn't really help ! .

[Halmyre Hibee]

Good watch and sad some fans are feeling detached from the club. I’m a bit miserable about Hibs just now as well. The only way to reverse the negativity is to win football matches and give us a team to be proud of. Once we start doing that all other issues will then fall into place.

[Itsnoteasy]

Seeing as he played with for them and they liked him i would doubt the guy meant much harm though probably was silly thing for him to do though .

Didn't Kenneh not do something as well ? . I suppose it just shows that players are humans too in they make mistakes and do daft things too .

One thing I do think though is when he was coming on for us against Aberdeen , he's coming on to do his best and once he has the green n white shirt on our fans shouldn't have boo 'd him . It didn't really help ! .

A Swindon fan tweeted " Time to come home Harry" To which he replied " Not wrong there" he later deleted the tweet and was disciplined by Hibs for it.
He had only been at Hibs for 2 months.
Good riddance wage thief.

[Bridge hibs]

Really enjoyed the topics, watched this morning, some great chat, cheers folks 👍

[hibeejeebies]

Love these episodes, keep them coming pls.

Good discussion and you do a fine job bringing it all together Matty.

[matty_f]

Cheers, they're really good episodes to record - we never know what we're going to get and it's great to hear from folk passionate about Hibs.

Always looking for new voices to come on the show as well, by the way...

[LongJohnBanger]

Cheers, they're really good episodes to record - we never know what we're going to get and it's great to hear from folk passionate about Hibs.

Always looking for new voices to come on the show as well, by the way...

Gives folk a break from listening to my pish more than twice a week

[Nicho87]

Love these episodes, keep them coming pls.

Good discussion and you do a fine job bringing it all together Matty.

I’ll second that. Great Hibs content and really enjoy these type of episodes.

Well done team longbangers

Great stuff even though the football team in question is horse

[Bridge hibs]

Gives folk a break from listening to my pish more than twice a week

You guys do a great job mate, I also really enjoy the other guests and listening to all the varied opinions, theres always at least one who is on the same page as me 😁

[matty_f]

Ep 262 Saint and Easy

Out now wherever you get your podcasts!

💪 Back to winning ways
❓ Was the pressure off
😍 Marcondes free kick
🐿️ Boyle looking better
🧓🏼 Experience counts with Hanlon
Plus your talking points!

https://youtu.be/laepZQRGcHQ?si=EvBlOHI_aDoXdmyX

https://pod.fo/e/236a58

[matty_f]

We had our Thursday phone in tonight, with fans' views on the win at St Johnstone, the VAR review, player of the year and more.

https://pod.fo/e/237fb7

https://www.youtube.com/live/lLqBlRMJypY?si=HK4Gu7Ex-Ky5cfDR

[BILLYHIBS]

Enjoyed that

Quite a good wee review of the St Johnstone game current talking points social media etc and what has been by all accounts a gash season

Agree with Colin Young Player Of The Year should be 21 years and younger some of the candidates are now first team veterans

Roll on the new season

Well worth a watch

[matty_f]

Enjoyed that

Quite a good wee review of the St Johnstone game current talking points social media etc and what has been by all accounts a gash season

Agree with Colin Young Player Of The Year should be 21 years and younger some of the candidates are now first team veterans

Roll on the new season

Well worth a watch

Thanks Billy. It's been good getting other folk on to give their thoughts on Hibs- hopefully the more we do them, the more people want to join in. I like the different perspectives, I don't always agree with everything but it always makes me think about the other side of the conversation.

[matty_f]

Ep 263 End it Now is out now!

This week:
Time to stop the excuses.
Is Monty's time up?
How do you fix the errors?
How big is the rebuild?
Wollacott fails his audition
Plus your talking points!

https://pod.fo/e/238d6d

https://youtu.be/LZu3Man8oIE?si=cT0EKss0jRan-9Hr

[Danderhall Hibs]

Good wee debate (argument?) about Monty at the start!

[matty_f]

Good wee debate (argument?) about Monty at the start!

I think that's classed as a "robust debate". :greengrin

[bingo70]

Good wee debate (argument?) about Monty at the start!

I’m half way through it the now, will finish it when I’m driving later.

In the past I’ve been sympathetic to Johns argument but I’m no seeing it after that debate.

“We can’t keep sacking managers as we will just get the same results” seems to be the only argument for keeping him. I think John needs to take into account there’s different people and personalities being employed and it’s not just a case of one in-one out with the same result.

I know John looks in on here and posts some times, fair play to him for standing his ground, I felt there wasn’t much substance to his argument this time though.

[matty_f]

I’m half way through it the now, will finish it when I’m driving later.

In the past I’ve been sympathetic to Johns argument but I’m no seeing it after that debate.

“We can’t keep sacking managers as we will just get the same results” seems to be the only argument for keeping him. I think John needs to take into account there’s different people and personalities being employed and it’s not just a case of one in-one out with the same result.

I know John looks in on here and posts some times, fair play to him for standing his ground, I felt there wasn’t much substance to his argument this time though.

I've argued the point as well, and in John's defence there's a clear pattern of continued downward trajectory when we've sacked managers historically, so I can see where he's coming from.

The issue for me is that for all in in favour of giving a manager time, it needs to be the right guy. Persevering with someone for the sake of it is just going to cause more issues, and we're seeing nothing to suggest Monty is the right guy

[DaveF]

Had to stop listening when John came out with the usual 'we can't keep sacking managers' stuff. I dunno if he is just being contrary for the sake of debate but anyone who watches Hibs under NM and advocates keeping him for said reason is bordering on insanity.

[Since452]

I think that's classed as a "robust debate". :greengrin

Listened to it and completely agree with your opinion on it. It was an interesting debate and John did make a good counter argument, even though it was wrong :greengrin

[bingo70]

Had to stop listening when John came out with the usual 'we can't keep sacking managers' stuff. I dunno if he is just being contrary for the sake of debate but anyone who watches Hibs under NM and advocates keeping him for said reason is bordering on insanity.

Yeah, I was trying to be polite towards John as I like him on the podcast and I admire when someone stands their ground, despite being in the minority. It felt a wee bit like it was argumentative for the sake of an argument though.

Wee bit like you get on TalkSPORT and the likes when you know people don’t believe what they’re saying but they have to say it to generate discussion and wind people up. I’m not saying that’s what John was doing but it had that sort of feeling about the discussion today.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Yeah, I was trying to be polite towards John as I like him on the podcast and I admire when someone stands their ground, despite being in the minority. It felt a wee bit like it was argumentative for the sake of an argument though.

Wee bit like you get on TalkSPORT and the likes when you know people don’t believe what they’re saying but they have to say it to generate discussion and wind people up. I’m not saying that’s what John was doing but it had that sort of feeling about the discussion today.

I genuinely think he believes it and not putting an act on.

[Real Emerald]

It’s a ridiculous argument. Sacking Jack Ross was ridiculous given he’d had us 3rd, took us to a cup final after thumping Rangers in Glasgow in the semi. Regardless of anyone’s thought on Ross he at least proved he could do it but we launched him.

If you want to stick with managers at least stick with one who’s shown he’s doing a good job and heading in the right direction, I’m all for it but Montgomery has shown no qualities whatsoever, be it results, performances or his personality. He just oozes absolute pish in every department.

[bingo70]

I genuinely think he believes it and not putting an act on.

So do I.

If it was the first time I’d listened to the podcast though and I’d just switched over from TalkSPORT, I’d have assumed he was playing the role of the guy who says the opposite for a reaction (boy who played for Spurs. Forget his name). I really don’t mean that to sound as insulting as it maybe does but it was just the impression I got.

[DaveF]

Yeah, I was trying to be polite towards John as I like him on the podcast and I admire when someone stands their ground, despite being in the minority. It felt a wee bit like it was argumentative for the sake of an argument though.

Wee bit like you get on TalkSPORT and the likes when you know people don’t believe what they’re saying but they have to say it to generate discussion and wind people up. I’m not saying that’s what John was doing but it had that sort of feeling about the discussion today.

The give him time point is just lame and baseless. He's had over 30 games and a transfer window and we look no better than when he took over. We miss loads of chances and concede crap goals almost every week. And yet, that's a defence for giving him more time?

I supported Hibs through a decade of Alex Miller. Yes, we won a cup and had a trip or two to Europe. We also had that dreadful derby record and went 18 months without scoring more than 2 goals away from home, so giving time is not a magic bullet for success.

Hiring the right person is.

[Since452]

We sacked Terry Butcher because he was *****. He didn't get a full season or another transfer window. We sacked Shaun Maloney because he was *****. He didn't get a full season or another transfer window. If they aren't good enough, get rid. Montgomery has had longer than those two now and is arguably worse. We can't be scared to change a ***** manager incase it doesn't work. That's the definition of insanity.

[DaveF]

It’s a ridiculous argument. Sacking Jack Ross was ridiculous given he’d had us 3rd, took us to a cup final after thumping Rangers in Glasgow in the semi. Regardless of anyone’s thought on Ross he at least proved he could do it but we launched him.

If you want to stick with managers at least stick with one who’s shown he’s doing a good job and heading in the right direction, I’m all for it but Montgomery has shown no qualities whatsoever, be it results, performances or his personality. He just oozes absolute pish in every department.

Urgh. Ross was sacked because the team was on an utterly pish run (semi apart) and the football was awful.

I can't believe the revisionism of some on here regarding Ross.

[Since452]

Urgh. Ross was sacked because the team was on an utterly pish run (semi apart) and the football was awful.

I can't believe the revisionism of some on here regarding Ross.

Said on another thread that at one point he had 10 players missing through covid and a had to play an insane number of games in a short period because of rearranged games. There were pretty extreme mitigating circumstances and he was ruthlessly sacked. I wish we would show that same ruthlessness now.

[Nicho87]

Love longbangers, best out there. However John can’t keep sticking by Monty based on hope

I’m still getting over his view that the best thing to revitalise Hibs this season was getting dragged in to the playoffs.

Utterly bizarre.

[matty_f]

So do I.

If it was the first time I’d listened to the podcast though and I’d just switched over from TalkSPORT, I’d have assumed he was playing the role of the guy who says the opposite for a reaction (boy who played for Spurs. Forget his name). I really don’t mean that to sound as insulting as it maybe does but it was just the impression I got.
John's had some support on Twitter for his stance. Like I said, I've argued that point before and if you'd asked me in December, if have been on that side of it as well. I just think the evidence is overwhelmingly against Monty being the right man, so why persist with him?

I guess though, that if you think it's the right thing to give a manager time, almost no matter what, then now that things are crappy you either stick to your principles or you do a u-turn.

I did the u-turn!

[Real Emerald]

The give him time point is just lame and baseless. He's had over 30 games and a transfer window and we look no better than when he took over. We miss loads of chances and concede crap goals almost every week. And yet, that's a defence for giving him more time?

I supported Hibs through a decade of Alex Miller. Yes, we won a cup and had a trip or two to Europe. We also had that dreadful derby record and went 18 months without scoring more than 2 goals away from home, so giving time is not a magic bullet for success.

Hiring the right person is.

FWIW I wasn’t absolving Jack Ross from criticism but merely pointing out he was sacked after proving he could do it and had done it without being backed in the transfer window. Onj the flip side of this there are people, and the club by the looks of things, wanting to stick by Montgomery for showing nothing.

My point is I agree with sticking with managers who show something but not with those who are absolute failures like Montgomery.

Or as Hibernian FC put it “unacceptable “, but he’s still here and it’s starting to get ugly.

[Winston Ingram]

Ep 263 End it Now is out now!

This week:
Time to stop the excuses.
Is Monty's time up?
How do you fix the errors?
How big is the rebuild?
Wollacott fails his audition
Plus your talking points!

https://pod.fo/e/238d6d

https://youtu.be/LZu3Man8oIE?si=cT0EKss0jRan-9Hr

I think John has stopped taking his rationality pills.

[DaveF]

FWIW I wasn’t absolving Jack Ross from criticism but merely pointing out he was sacked after proving he could do it and had done it without being backed in the transfer window. Onj the flip side of this there are people, and the club by the looks of things, wanting to stick by Montgomery for showing nothing.

My point is I agree with sticking with managers who show something but not with those who are absolute failures like Montgomery.

Or as Hibernian FC put it “unacceptable “, but he’s still here and it’s starting to get ugly.

Can you tell I get all irrational when I see Ross mentioned 😃 as I still have a monumental chip on my shoulder for his SC final 'effort'

[ChuckNor]

Can you tell I get all irrational when I see Ross mentioned 😃 as I still have a monumental chip on my shoulder for his SC final 'effort'

I think people let the cup final cloud their memories of hibs under Jack Ross. We won’t be going to any cup finals under our current manager. Ross was sacked ruthlessly for very little reason. One bad run in a season where he wasn’t backed in the transfer window. Everyone knew we needed a centre half and we ended up signing Nathan Wood on loan, Dylan Tait and Dan Mackay who have both been surplus to requirements since.

If Jack Ross was still here we’d be pushing for Europe.

[matty_f]

I think people let the cup final cloud their memories of hibs under Jack Ross. We won’t be going to any cup finals under our current manager. Ross was sacked ruthlessly for very little reason. One bad run in a season where he wasn’t backed in the transfer window. Everyone knew we needed a centre half and we ended up signing Nathan Wood on loan, Dylan Tait and Dan Mackay who have both been surplus to requirements since.

If Jack Ross was still here we’d be pushing for Europe.

I thought he deserved more time but at the same time, totally understand why he was sacked and think at the time it felt like the right decision to sack him. The support was totally split on him, it’s very hard to come back from that - as I’m sure Monty will be feeling now.

[Winston Ingram]

Had to stop listening when John came out with the usual'we can't keep sacking managers' stuff. I dunno if he is just being contrary for the sake of debate but anyone who watches Hibs under NM and advocates keeping him for said reason is bordering on insanity.

Me too.

The problem isn’t we keep sacking managers, it’s we keep hiring crap ones.

The idea that we should just keep this one because we sacked the other **** ones is just the most bat**** argument imaginable. Particularly when that manager hasn’t shown an ounce of competence.

[Real Emerald]

Can you tell I get all irrational when I see Ross mentioned 😃 as I still have a monumental chip on my shoulder for his SC final 'effort'

Sorry about that. 😁

It just seems inconceivable that we were prepared to sack Ross after thumping Rangers in a semi final, not allowing him the final and without any real backing in the transfer window. That was after him getting us a rare 3rd place finish.

Yet here we are with some folk trying to make a case for a manager whose taken us to the bottom six, hasn’t had one result of note in his tenure and doesn’t look like he knows how to fix it.

I only used Jack Ross as an example of the craziness of the situation where people think the only reason he should get more time is because we can’t keep sacking managers. Mental

[matty_f]

Me too.

The problem isn’t we keep sacking managers, it’s we keep hiring crap ones.

The idea that we should just keep this one because we sacked the other **** ones is just the most bat**** argument imaginable. Particularly when that manager hasn’t shown an ounce of competence.

I think there’s an argument to stick by managers if they’re showing some signs that there’s improvement. That’s not the case here, there’s no justification to stick with Monty.

[Winston Ingram]

I think there’s an argument to stick by managers if they’re showing some signs that there’s improvement. That’s not the case here, there’s no justification to stick with Monty.

Totally agree with that which is why his argument baffles me.

He’s done the complete opposite and just been red flag after red flag. From sticking with a 442 for 23 games it was clear it wasn’t working after 5, his creative post match interviews and his ridiculous substitutes (including deciding that when 2-1 up away with minutes to go v a very good St Mirren side was the perfect time to bringion a 16 year old striker for debut).

He’s has literally done nothing to suggest he’s capable of doing this job after nearly a full season in charge.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I've probably aligned with John for the majority of NM tenure. I've shifted a lot more post split and the counter points that you were putting up Matty, in terms of Cowie and the work he's done has tipped me over the edge in terms of being in the "Monty Out" camp

As always a great listen guys. Not easy having to constantly chat about how ***** we are

[Donegal Hibby]

Agreed pretty much with what John said . Looking at the team we had just 3 Monty signings in it and two of them are loans . Still think the manager should be given more time .

[matty_f]

I've probably aligned with John for the majority of NM tenure. I've shifted a lot more post split and the counter points that you were putting up Matty, in terms of Cowie and the work he's done has tipped me over the edge in terms of being in the "Monty Out" camp

As always a great listen guys. Not easy having to constantly chat about how ***** we are
Thanks :aok:

[NC1875]

Agreed pretty much with what John said . Looking at the team we had just 3 Monty signings in it and two of them are loans . Still think the manager should be given more time .

Genuine question, what do you think he’s improved to deserve more time ?

[LustForLeith]

I like it how John has a different opinion and in feel he believes that Monty should be given more time. He’s not the only one.

Makes it a bit more refreshing in the current climate

[Centre Hawf]

Agreed pretty much with what John said . Looking at the team we had just 3 Monty signings in it and two of them are loans . Still think the manager should be given more time .

That doesn't really matter for me anymore when you consider that our recruitment is mostly done by either Ian Gordon or Brian McDermott. Maybe even soon some Black Knight Technical Director. It's not 1999 anymore where the manager phones up and signs players he likes. A club our side will very rarely now operate like that. Even if our current set up has been a shambles it's a lot closer in theory and structure to how bigger sides in their leagues work.

I've said it in another thread the biggest worry on giving him more time for me is that you then need to knuckle down and say "this guy gets the entire 2024/25 season" short of it being a relegation threatened season of course because we can't go looking for another manager in September or else we're back where we started with these conversations about transfer windows and whose players are who. Can anyone hand on heart say that they think it'll be better under this manager come then?

[Donegal Hibby]

Genuine question, what do you think he’s improved to deserve more time ?

As well as the bad results and performances I think there's been some that have been quite good . The squads still basically a squad assembled by other managers and he isn't his . Frankly it's a mess and has been like that for a few years now and will take some time to sort out .

Wither he'll get given the time now I'm not sure about though whoever the manager is that's exactly what he's going to need is time though we don't seem to give managers that opportunity.

[Eyrie]

As well as the bad results and performances I think there's been some that have been quite good . The squads still basically a squad assembled by other managers and he isn't his . Frankly it's a mess and has been like that for a few years now and will take some time to sort out .

Wither he'll get given the time now I'm not sure about though whoever the manager is that's exactly what he's going to need is time though we don't seem to give managers that opportunity.

Surely 31 games is enough of an opportunity to show signs that a manager can improve performances without needing an entirely new squad of players purchased to play his way?

The disappointing fact is that Montgomery hasn't shown enough to be worth keeping. And I say that as someone who was in favour of his appointment.

[Donegal Hibby]

That doesn't really matter for me anymore when you consider that our recruitment is mostly done by either Ian Gordon or Brian McDermott. Maybe even soon some Black Knight Technical Director. It's not 1999 anymore where the manager phones up and signs players he likes. A club our side will very rarely now operate like that. Even if our current set up has been a shambles it's a lot closer in theory and structure to how bigger sides in their leagues work.

I've said it in another thread the biggest worry on giving him more time for me is that you then need to knuckle down and say "this guy gets the entire 2024/25 season" short of it being a relegation threatened season of course because we can't go looking for another manager in September or else we're back where we started with these conversations about transfer windows and whose players are who. Can anyone hand on heart say that they think it'll be better under this manager come then?

I think it does matter if the players he's inherited either don't fit into how he wants us to play or simply aren't good enough. Ange Postecoglou isn't long after coming out and saying that there has to be changes in the squad which would suggest they don't fit in with his plans , I think Monty has the same problem .

I'm not trying to rattle anyone's cage on here about giving Monty time it's what I believe we should do wither it's the right thing or not I'm not sure tbh though I think appointing another manager there is also no guarantees with either .

One thing I do think is probably Monty is in a good position to who needs to move on now . I also wonder if we are already well down the line on signing targets if we haven't any already signed on pre contracts . A new manager coming in might not want the same players possibly .

I don't think anyone can say 100% it will get better under our current manager though is there a manager we can 100% say that about ?. I do think shifting some of the players out that's been failing for the last few years and adding better quality players who are better suited to our manager way of playing could very well improve and make us better though.

[NC1875]

I agree we need to give a manager time to build something. But it has to be the right manager

But he’s not improved us since September. He’s not improved one player. I don’t think we’ve had one big result. Or one really good performance.

The negatives far outweigh the positives and that’s why he has to go imo.

[Donegal Hibby]

Surely 31 games is enough of an opportunity to show signs that a manager can improve performances without needing an entirely new squad of players purchased to play his way?

The disappointing fact is that Montgomery hasn't shown enough to be worth keeping. And I say that as someone who was in favour of his appointment.

I totally get were your coming from though in them 31 games I've seen us really struggling with injuries , nothing on the bench at times to change or to have a positive effect on a game , along with some bad decisions that I think to a degree cost us a few points that would possibly have seen us make top 6 .

I genuinely believe that the manager has also been on unfortunate and dealt a very bad hand .

Sorry for bringing it up again though McInnes was in exactly the same boat last season with Killie , Naismith was also getting called out for the sack too . They've been given time and turned things around which I still hope Monty will too.

[bingo70]

I totally get were your coming from though in them 31 games I've seen us really struggling with injuries , nothing on the bench at times to change or to have a positive effect on a game , along with some bad decisions that I think to a degree cost us a few points that would possibly have seen us make top 6 .

I genuinely believe that the manager has also been on unfortunate and dealt a very bad hand .

Sorry for bringing it up again though McInnes was in exactly the same boat last season with Killie , Naismith was also getting called out for the sack too . They've been given time and turned things around which I still hope Monty will too.

I’ve not actually got a huge problem with that train of thought.

My concern though is that if we don’t act now, we start next season in the same situation as we were this season and he’ll be sacked by October IMO, we’ll then appoint a new manager who’s on a hiding to nothing as he’s not got his own players and this time next year we’ll be having the same conversation with posters like yourself and John saying we can’t keep sacking managers as it’s not done any good in the past.

Now, you can argue that he could be a success next season, it’s all what it’s at the end of the day, the problem is he’s not shown enough in his time here to justify taking that risk. IMO it’s just too big a gamble.

We simply need to have a good season next season, appoint a new manager now and they’ve got pretty much a blank canvas to sign the players for positions they want this summer so we can hit the ground running next season.

Managers now need to show something in the short term, they’re not going to get 2 or 3 years of complete failure in the hope we have one good season at the end of it. It’s just not the way modern football works. You have pointed to McInnes getting time a few times but he got short term success to build credit in the bank.

I admire yourself and John for sticking to your principles, I just don’t think there’s enough substance to your argument, we all want Monty to be a success, at some point though the consequences of him not turning it around need to be considered. We can’t just say ach let’s just give him next season and hope he gets luckier next year. That’d be madness imo.

[matty_f]

I’ve not actually got a huge problem with that train of thought.

My concern though is that if we don’t act now, we start next season in the same situation as we were this season and he’ll be sacked by October IMO, we’ll then appoint a new manager who’s on a hiding to nothing as he’s not got his own players and this time next year we’ll be having the same conversation with posters like yourself and John saying we can’t keep sacking managers as it’s not done any good in the past.

Now, you can argue that he could be a success next season, it’s all what it’s at the end of the day, the problem is he’s not shown enough in his time here to justify taking that risk. IMO it’s just too big a gamble.

We simply need to have a good season next season, appoint a new manager now and they’ve got pretty much a blank canvas to sign the players for positions they want this summer so we can hit the ground running next season.

Managers now need to show something in the short term, they’re not going to get 2 or 3 years of complete failure in the hope we have one good season at the end of it. It’s just not the way modern football works. You have pointed to McInnes getting time a few times but he got short term success to build credit in the bank.

I admire yourself and John for sticking to your principles, I just don’t think there’s enough substance to your argument, we all want Monty to be a success, at some point though the consequences of him not turning it around need to be considered. We can’t just say ach let’s just give him next season and hope he gets luckier next year. That’d be madness imo.

I think this is the strongest argument for making the change now. It's a gamble either way - whether we stick with Monty and hope he turns things around, or if we make the change and hope the next guy's better.

But we do know what happened last season with Johnson not being convincing, but doing enough to warrant staying on only to get the Spanish archer three games into this season.

The impact of that is that Monty, who we really needed to hit the ground running and improve the squad he's got, is hedging his bets on a major revamp of the squad.

We've seen that his tactics aren't especially effective in this league, his team habitually loses late goals, and his win rate is appalling. We know that there's a very real chance of that pattern emerging next season.

For me, that's too big a risk.

There is an opportunity now, with the Black Knight involvement and what looks like a fairly major rebuild needed on and off the park, to get the support behind a new era and a new manager.

Another false start next season could really harm the club's ambitions. Fans are already talking about how apathetic they are, folk finding other things to do on a Saturday etc - Hibs need to get these folk engaged and excited about following Hibs again, we're not going to get that with Monty, IMHO.

[Real Emerald]

I think this is the strongest argument for making the change now. It's a gamble either way - whether we stick with Monty and hope he turns things around, or if we make the change and hope the next guy's better.

But we do know what happened last season with Johnson not being convincing, but doing enough to warrant staying on only to get the Spanish archer three games into this season.

The impact of that is that Monty, who we really needed to hit the ground running and improve the squad he's got, is hedging his bets on a major revamp of the squad.

We've seen that his tactics aren't especially effective in this league, his team habitually loses late goals, and his win rate is appalling. We know that there's a very real chance of that pattern emerging next season.

For me, that's too big a risk.

There is an opportunity now, with the Black Knight involvement and what looks like a fairly major rebuild needed on and off the park, to get the support behind a new era and a new manager.

Another false start next season could really harm the club's ambitions. Fans are already talking about how apathetic they are, folk finding other things to do on a Saturday etc - Hibs need to get these folk engaged and excited about following Hibs again, we're not going to get that with Monty, IMHO.

That’s exactly how I feel about the situation and exactly why we need a change now. Carrying any of this into next season would be disastrous.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

There was an interesting point made around the County winner, which sky doesn't cover it during their "highlights" but Newell passing back to Wollacott with his left foot instead of a right foot pass to Cadden

Are we too "safe"? Whereby we'll take the easy option instead of the more adventurous play? Is that coming from NM? Or an ingrained culture within the club? The "big" clubs invariably get the late winners because they're always on the front foot

[Centre Hawf]

I think it does matter if the players he's inherited either don't fit into how he wants us to play or simply aren't good enough. Ange Postecoglou isn't long after coming out and saying that there has to be changes in the squad which would suggest they don't fit in with his plans , I think Monty has the same problem .

I'm not trying to rattle anyone's cage on here about giving Monty time it's what I believe we should do wither it's the right thing or not I'm not sure tbh though I think appointing another manager there is also no guarantees with either .

One thing I do think is probably Monty is in a good position to who needs to move on now . I also wonder if we are already well down the line on signing targets if we haven't any already signed on pre contracts . A new manager coming in might not want the same players possibly .

I don't think anyone can say 100% it will get better under our current manager though is there a manager we can 100% say that about ?. I do think shifting some of the players out that's been failing for the last few years and adding better quality players who are better suited to our manager way of playing could very well improve and make us better though.

I'm still not sure what players he doesn't have to play a certain way though? I still have no idea what the identity is meant to be other than play it out from the back (which is generic as anything in this day and age) This isn't Ange's swashbuckling football or Pep's TikiTaka where you could make an allowance for him trying to do something that is rarely done at this level. The reality is he's going to get only a marginally better player in each position (if he's lucky) not some revolutionary batch of a Golden Generation to help him realise some hidden potential in his coaching methods.

The only player that is unquestionably his is Triantis and he can't even get in at CB or CDM anymore. So are we even sure we'd like him to go sign 10+ players to go play his way? I'm not so sure that would be a clever move as we'd probably be looking to shift them out in 12 months time again anyway.

I think this decision in the next 2 weeks is potentially one of the most crucial the club will make in a long time. We need a mammoth sized squad rebuild and we need to get it right or else I do genuinely worry we could slide backwards even further into a similar scenario that got us relegated judging by the standard of player we have actually signed over the last 3 years.

[Brizo]

Enjoyed the podcast and the breadth of opinions on Montgomerys future.

Any new manager is going to be a gamble. Some of the most successful I've seen (either entertainment-wise or trophy-lifting) have had previous Scottish managerial experience like Eddie Turnbull, McLeish, and Alex Miller. Others have been left-field like Mowbray, Stubbs, and Collins.

The argument that Montgomery should be kept because we keep sacking managers is pretty unconvincing in my opinion and the Montgomery apologists don't seem to have many if any other substantial or tangible arguments than that. The footballs been overwhelmingly dull, the concentration levels are poor, the effort in certain quarters is poor and these are all factors that a coach should be able to improve regardless of who he has at his disposal. I don't see any sign of these failings being addressed.

Our last three unexpected appointments have failed and IMO it makes sense to try for a manager with SPFL experience. With a McInnes or Robinson, they have a track record of getting it right at two SPFL clubs each and there would be the knowledge that they can improve a team and achieve relative success. The problem with our last 3 managers is that there is no previous SPFL track record to give us any hope that things would or will improve. Whether they or a Tony Docherty would want to come to Hibs and work with our recruitment department is part of the bigger problem at Hibs

[Winston Ingram]

I think this is the strongest argument for making the change now. It's a gamble either way - whether we stick with Monty and hope he turns things around, or if we make the change and hope the next guy's better.

But we do know what happened last season with Johnson not being convincing, but doing enough to warrant staying on only to get the Spanish archer three games into this season.

The impact of that is that Monty, who we really needed to hit the ground running and improve the squad he's got, is hedging his bets on a major revamp of the squad.

We've seen that his tactics aren't especially effective in this league, his team habitually loses late goals, and his win rate is appalling. We know that there's a very real chance of that pattern emerging next season.

For me, that's too big a risk.

There is an opportunity now, with the Black Knight involvement and what looks like a fairly major rebuild needed on and off the park, to get the support behind a new era and a new manager.

Another false start next season could really harm the club's ambitions. Fans are already talking about how apathetic they are, folk finding other things to do on a Saturday etc - Hibs need to get these folk engaged and excited about following Hibs again, we're not going to get that with Monty, IMHO.

Add to that is that we're allowing the Jambos a free run at European Football. They'll have pulled in circa £12m from 2 campaigns. Add to that the Anderson catch. Meanwhile we are finishing in the bottom 6.

[matty_f]

There was an interesting point made around the County winner, which sky doesn't cover it during their "highlights" but Newell passing back to Wollacott with his left foot instead of a right foot pass to Cadden

Are we too "safe"? Whereby we'll take the easy option instead of the more adventurous play? Is that coming from NM? Or an ingrained culture within the club? The "big" clubs invariably get the late winners because they're always on the front foot

I think we take the safe option far too often but ironically, given our ability to concede late goals i can probably understand Joe’s thinking in that situation. Closing stages of the game, we’ve got a point in the bag, so don’t do anything stupid. His pass back should have let us keep possession and build an attack, so although it’s “safe” it’s not necessarily negative.

I do think a team playing with confidence goes forward from Joe, though.

[matty_f]

Add to that is that we're allowing the Jambos a free run at European Football. They'll have pulled in circa £12m from 2 campaigns. Add to that the Anderson catch. Meanwhile we are finishing in the bottom 6.

Much more significant than has been discussed already. :agree:

Financially, they’re way ahead of us at the moment and it’s going to be a problem trying to pull that back in, no matter how good the hospitality etc is. We need the results on the pitch and to be getting into Europe to keep up.

[TrinityHibby]

Me too.

The problem isn’t we keep sacking managers, it’s we keep hiring crap ones.

The idea that we should just keep this one because we sacked the other **** ones is just the most bat**** argument imaginable. Particularly when that manager hasn’t shown an ounce of competence.

That’s exactly how I see it too…..I was actually shot down in flames recently on the Longbangers podcast for suggesting he did not have a demonstrable track record in an equivalent league to merit getting the Hibernian job. Under his tenure, results have been terrible the style of football dull and pedestrian and league position totally unacceptable. I cannot think of a single thing he has improved either individually or collectively and the team has regressed significantly under his stewardship. He is completely out of his depth and if he was an animal would have been put out of his misery before now.

[matty_f]

That’s exactly how I see it too…..I was actually shot down in flames recently on the Longbangers podcast for suggesting he did not have a demonstrable track record in an equivalent league to merit getting the Hibernian job. Under his tenure, results have been terrible the style of football dull and pedestrian and league position totally unacceptable. I cannot think of a single thing he has improved either individually or collectively and the team has regressed significantly under his stewardship. He is completely out of his depth and if he was an animal would have been put out of his misery before now.

Can I point out for the avoidance of doubt that it was on the fans 'phone in' where other fans shot you down, rather than us rubbishing your point on the podcast. :greengrin

[Winston Ingram]

I think it does matter if the players he's inherited either don't fit into how he wants us to play or simply aren't good enough. Ange Postecoglou isn't long after coming out and saying that there has to be changes in the squad which would suggest they don't fit in with his plans , I think Monty has the same problem .

I'm not trying to rattle anyone's cage on here about giving Monty time it's what I believe we should do wither it's the right thing or not I'm not sure tbh though I think appointing another manager there is also no guarantees with either .

One thing I do think is probably Monty is in a good position to who needs to move on now . I also wonder if we are already well down the line on signing targets if we haven't any already signed on pre contracts . A new manager coming in might not want the same players possibly .

I don't think anyone can say 100% it will get better under our current manager though is there a manager we can 100% say that about ?. I do think shifting some of the players out that's been failing for the last few years and adding better quality players who are better suited to our manager way of playing could very well improve and make us better though.

What a ridiculous comparison. Postecoglu managed to get something out a team that had just lost the arguably the worlds best striker. He’s changed the mentality, established a leadership culture, improved players that are all ready there, improved their fitness, implemented his own style of football and got some big results.

Him talking about improving the squad is just the next step of the teams evolution which he earnt the right to do after demonstrating his competence in spades.

Monty has demonstrated nothing. He’s made the team worse, he’s made our high performers worse, the defence is a joke, the style of football is aimless, dull and completely inaffective. They don’t look fit, the players don’t seem to have bought into him which is no surprise due the radge 442 that he ****ed our season with and his post match interviews are just lunatic ramblings.

There is just no defending him on any aspect of the job he has done. He has been here nearly a full season and demonstrated nothing to suggest we should be trusting him with anything.

[BILLYHIBS]

What a ridiculous comparison. Postecoglu managed to get something out a team that had just lost the arguably the worlds best striker. He’s changed the mentality, established a leadership culture, improved players that are all ready there, improved their fitness, implemented his own style of football and got some big results.

Him talking about improving the squad is just the next step of the teams evolution which he earnt the right to do after demonstrating his competence in spades.

Monty has demonstrated nothing. He’s made the team worse, he’s made our high performers worse, the defence is a joke, the style of football is aimless, dull and completely inaffective. They don’t look fit, the players don’t seem to have bought into him which is no surprise due the radge 442 that he ****ed our season with and his post match interviews are just lunatic ramblings.

There is just no defending him on any aspect of the job he has done. He has been here nearly a full season and demonstrated nothing to suggest we should be trusting him with anything.

:agree:

Ange is the real deal Spurs need to persevere with him you can tell Ange is no happy but no far away will get a summer window to improve

Monty has never won a game of any note ( games that most Hibs fans expect to win or at least get a result) I genuinely fear for him but only has himself to blame the vultures are already circling

[Stonewall]

Urgh. Ross was sacked because the team was on an utterly pish run (semi apart) and the football was awful.

I can't believe the revisionism of some on here regarding Ross.

Ross certainly was on a crap run and it felt like it was getting harder to defend him (I was at his last game in charge at Livi unfortunately).

How many good games did you see during COVID? I saw almost none and all I took from it was watching football on the telly with no crowds in was a **** experience.

I wouldn't have sacked him then and I still think we were wrong to do so, that is not revisionism.

Still at least we've stopped losing all these semi finals and finals we did under Ross.

[JimBHibees]

There was an interesting point made around the County winner, which sky doesn't cover it during their "highlights" but Newell passing back to Wollacott with his left foot instead of a right foot pass to Cadden

Are we too "safe"? Whereby we'll take the easy option instead of the more adventurous play? Is that coming from NM? Or an ingrained culture within the club? The "big" clubs invariably get the late winners because they're always on the front foot

Sportscene made the exact point why pass back when easy pass to Cadden to trigger an attack. He does that regularly imo

[Real Emerald]

Sportscene made the exact point why pass back when easy pass to Cadden to trigger an attack. He does that regularly imo

This is it for me. Montgomery has installed a style of football into the players that has them thinking backwards rather than forwards. Playing forward from the back is fine but we just seem to play it back and forth and back to the keeper before we either make a mistake or punt it anyway.

It costs a lot of money to go to the football and that style of play is garbage to watch, constantly looking for a backwards pass. Sooner NM is gone the better.

[DaveF]

Ross certainly was on a crap run and it felt like it was getting harder to defend him (I was at his last game in charge at Livi unfortunately).

How many good games did you see during COVID? I saw almost none and all I took from it was watching football on the telly with no crowds in was a **** experience.

I wouldn't have sacked him then and I still think we were wrong to do so, that is not revisionism.

Still at least we've stopped losing all these semi finals and finals we did under Ross.

Did I dream the one where we lost to Aberdeen?

And I wouldn't thank you for ever watching such a listless performance in a cup final as we did against St J. He should have been sacked right after that.

[Winston Ingram]

Ross certainly was on a crap run and it felt like it was getting harder to defend him (I was at his last game in charge at Livi unfortunately).

How many good games did you see during COVID? I saw almost none and all I took from it was watching football on the telly with no crowds in was a **** experience.

I wouldn't have sacked him then and I still think we were wrong to do so, that is not revisionism.

Still at least we've stopped losing all these semi finals and finals we did under Ross.

We'd lost 7 games out of 9 and the performance at Livi where he was sacked was utterly appaling. I was there and it was like the players were trying to chuck him under a bus. I couldn't believe the outcry from some of the players as it looked like they weren't trying. He was never a great tactician and his main talent was man management. I think he got a bit lost in what the purpose of good man management is and the players just got too comfy.

[Winston Ingram]

:agree:

Ange is the real deal Spurs need to persevere with him you can tell Ange is no happy but no far away will get a summer window to improve

Monty has never won a game of any note ( games that most Hibs fans expect to win or at least get a result) I genuinely fear for him but only has himself to blame the vultures are already circling

He absolutely is and I've no doubt they will.

[Dmas]

Sportscene made the exact point why pass back when easy pass to Cadden to trigger an attack. He does that regularly imo

It’s my main issue with him, and stems from him not being natural in the position imo far too safe far too often, major contributor to the ball moving so slowly, cb gives it to Joe, Joe either gives it straight back or gives it to the other CB, we’re relying on fish and Rocky moving the ball forward far too often and teams must love that

[bingo70]

It’s my main issue with him, and stems from him not being natural in the position imo far too safe far too often, major contributor to the ball moving so slowly, cb gives it to Joe, Joe either gives it straight back or gives it to the other CB, we’re relying on fish and Rocky moving the ball forward far too often and teams must love that

In fairness, if he’d tried to go forward with it and lost the ball, we’d be getting told we should have tried to keep possession to see the game out.

[BILLYHIBS]

He absolutely is and I've no doubt they will.
Yeah I remember one game recently Spurs were getting beat and you could see Ange getting frustrated jumping up and down on the touch line barking out his orders it was obvious the players were not carrying out instructions then for a twenty minute spell Spurs went on to dominate play winning back possession before losing their discipline again The good thing is the fans can see what he is trying to do and they went on a decent run where they looked like Ange’s Celtic

[Smartie]

We'd lost 7 games out of 9 and the performance at Livi where he was sacked was utterly appaling. I was there and it was like the players were trying to chuck him under a bus. I couldn't believe the outcry from some of the players as it looked like they weren't trying. He was never a great tactician and his main talent was man management. I think he got a bit lost in what the purpose of good man management is and the players just got too comfy.

I just thought that due to having a thin squad he was scuppered by a couple of key injuries - Doidge and Magennis - that sent his final season into a tailspin.

He was and is a good manager and I’m sure he’d have turned it around if he’d been given the January window to bring in the necessary reinforcements that his squad badly needed.

[Winston Ingram]

I just thought that due to having a thin squad he was scuppered by a couple of key injuries - Doidge and Magennis - that sent his final season into a tailspin.

He was and is a good manager and I’m sure he’d have turned it around if he’d been given the January window to bring in the necessary reinforcements that his squad badly needed.

The Doidge injury was a big loss but we still had a really good squad available. He was one of our better managers no doubt and we were on an awful run with no sign of it ending.

[Donegal Hibby]

Sportscene made the exact point why pass back when easy pass to Cadden to trigger an attack. He does that regularly imo

Newell regularly slows the game down and alot of the time his passing is backwards . Really infuriating.

[Itsnoteasy]

Great listen as always. Only criticism i would have is at the start of the podcast you speak about meaningless things like chippys, escape rooms & countless other cack. Its the only podcast I listen to that has that chat.

[Donegal Hibby]

Great listen as always. Only criticism i would have is at the start of the podcast you speak about meaningless things like chippys, escape rooms & countless other cack. Its the only podcast I listen to that has that chat.

Funnily enough I actually enjoy all that stuff from the guys , abit of crack as we say here .

[matty_f]

Great listen as always. Only criticism i would have is at the start of the podcast you speak about meaningless things like chippys, escape rooms & countless other cack. Its the only podcast I listen to that has that chat.

Cheers for the feedback, we get a fair bit of feedback from folk who like the short bit of nonsense at the start so I guess it's just down to personal preference with it, we do try to limit it to only a minute or so at the start though.

Appreciate the feedback! :aok:

[erin go bragh]

Add to that is that we're allowing the Jambos a free run at European Football. They'll have pulled in circa £12m from 2 campaigns. Add to that the Anderson catch. Meanwhile we are finishing in the bottom 6.

The last time they were in the group stages which made them 7.2 m and throw in beni factors 4.5m. They only posted a 200k profit.

[woodythehibee]

Cheers for the feedback, we get a fair bit of feedback from folk who like the short bit of nonsense at the start so I guess it's just down to personal preference with it, we do try to limit it to only a minute or so at the start though.

Appreciate the feedback! :aok:

What happened to Shortbangers Matty? Any chance of it coming back? Was always a great listen!

Cheers

[matty_f]

What happened to Shortbangers Matty? Any chance of it coming back? Was always a great listen!

Cheers

We're in discussions about that. I hope so, I really liked doing them!

[woodythehibee]

We're in discussions about that. I hope so, I really liked doing them!Good man, glad to hear it!

Sent from my SM-S916B using Tapatalk

[Pedantic_Hibee]

We're in discussions about that. I hope so, I really liked doing them!

I’m free 😎

[Steve20]

Always enjoyed Longbangers podcast but I honestly despise VAR so much and think it’s ruined football that I won’t be listening anymore after they’ve made it clear on Twitter tonight that they back it.

Unfollowed them and no more listening.

[matty_f]

Always enjoyed Longbangers podcast but I honestly despise VAR so much and think it’s ruined football that I won’t be listening anymore after they’ve made it clear on Twitter tonight that they back it.

Unfollowed them and no more listening.

I don't think you understood the point, Steve.

You can be against something whilst still acknowledging it's worked. It definitely worked tonight, Real had a goal disallowed by the assistant referee's flag. VAR corrected it.

Saying that isn't being in favour of VAR overall, that's a mental conclusion to draw.

[bingo70]

Always enjoyed Longbangers podcast but I honestly despise VAR so much and think it’s ruined football that I won’t be listening anymore after they’ve made it clear on Twitter tonight that they back it.

Unfollowed them and no more listening.

You cannae be that angry 😂

No offence but I almost admire how irrational you’re being if you really mean that.

[Donegal Hibby]

What a ridiculous comparison. Postecoglu managed to get something out a team that had just lost the arguably the worlds best striker. He’s changed the mentality, established a leadership culture, improved players that are all ready there, improved their fitness, implemented his own style of football and got some big results.

Him talking about improving the squad is just the next step of the teams evolution which he earnt the right to do after demonstrating his competence in spades.

Monty has demonstrated nothing. He’s made the team worse, he’s made our high performers worse, the defence is a joke, the style of football is aimless, dull and completely inaffective. They don’t look fit, the players don’t seem to have bought into him which is no surprise due the radge 442 that he ****ed our season with and his post match interviews are just lunatic ramblings.

There is just no defending him on any aspect of the job he has done. He has been here nearly a full season and demonstrated nothing to suggest we should be trusting him with anything.

I suppose it's abit like some like yourself that don't like our current manager making a comparison with Brendan Rodgers and comparing us to Celtic when it suits .

Big fan of Anges actually and your right in he did lose one of the best strikers in the world for a 100 million , he's since went on to spend 200 million and after a very good start things aren't going as good .

https://youtu.be/cftVO-ThA9Y?si=lAHbCBCjCCv-9mz7

He's obviously thinks the squads not right yet and needs to change it further to suit his style of play which is something he wont change .
https://youtu.be/XHq713Ms7n0?si=80VEJFETBGpo-VFs

Don't agree with a lot of your comments about the manager either though didn't think I would . The teams been toiling for years ( finished 8th 2 season ago, knocked out of league cup early doors last season's) ,top players have been poor at times before he's came in and he's had no time to properly change anything. The other things like players looking unfit and is interviews being lunatic ramblings are just made up fantasy stuff I'm afraid .

[Forza Fred]

Always enjoyed Longbangers podcast but I honestly despise VAR so much and think it’s ruined football that I won’t be listening anymore after they’ve made it clear on Twitter tonight that they back it.

Unfollowed them and no more listening.


This post kinda sums up some of the over the top posts I’ve noticed to be a bit more prevalent on here lately.

Makes you wonder…..

[DaveF]

Always enjoyed Longbangers podcast but I honestly despise VAR so much and think it’s ruined football that I won’t be listening anymore after they’ve made it clear on Twitter tonight that they back it.

Unfollowed them and no more listening.

I thought the chip on my shoulder re Johns nonsense backing of NM was bad enough but your stance is off the scale 😃

[Winston Ingram]

]I suppose it's abit like some like yourself that don't like our current manager making a comparison with Brendan Rodgers and comparing us to Celtic when it suits[/B] .

Big fan of Anges actually and your right in he did lose one of the best strikers in the world for a 100 million , he's since went on to spend 200 million and after a very good start things aren't going as good .

https://youtu.be/cftVO-ThA9Y?si=lAHbCBCjCCv-9mz7

He's obviously thinks the squads not right yet and needs to change it further to suit his style of play which is something he wont change .
https://youtu.be/XHq713Ms7n0?si=80VEJFETBGpo-VFs

Don't agree with a lot of your comments about the manager either though didn't think I would . The teams been toiling for years ( finished 8th 2 season ago, knocked out of league cup early doors last season's) ,top players have been poor at times before he's came in and he's had no time to properly change anything. The other things like players looking unfit and is interviews being lunatic ramblings are just made up fantasy stuff I'm afraid .

It's nothing like that whatsoever.

Postecoglu went into a club that was in absolute chaos. They stank the place out last year. He's changed and improved almost everything. Successfully changed the style of football from a pragmatic back 5 to a high press 433, improved underperforming players (Porro, Bissouma, Sarr, Romero, Son) and got results on the pitch.

Monty picked up squad that had qualified for Europe. It was 2 points away from qualifying for group stage football and though we lost our first 3 league games, that squad had just had our best European result in decades.

He has done completely the opposite. The style of football he implemented did not work and never looked like working. Nearly every single player's performance levels dropped and most importantly, didn't get results.

[bingo70]

It's nothing like that whatsoever.

Postecoglu went into a club that was in absolute chaos. They stank the place out last year. He's changed and improved almost everything. Successfully changed the style of football from a pragmatic back 5 to a high press 433, improved underperforming players (Porro, Bissouma, Sarr, Romero, Son) and got results on the pitch.

Monty picked up squad that had qualified for Europe. It was 2 points away from qualifying for group stage football and though we lost our first 3 league games, that squad had just had our best European result in decades.

He has done completely the opposite. The style of football he implemented did not work and never looked like working. Nearly every single player's performance levels dropped and most importantly, didn't get results.

Apart from that though, quite similar.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Apart from that though, quite similar.

:hilarious

[Donegal Hibby]

It's nothing like that whatsoever.

Postecoglu went into a club that was in absolute chaos. They stank the place out last year. He's changed and improved almost everything. Successfully changed the style of football from a pragmatic back 5 to a high press 433, improved underperforming players (Porro, Bissouma, Sarr, Romero, Son) and got results on the pitch.

Monty picked up squad that had qualified for Europe. It was 2 points away from qualifying for group stage football and though we lost our first 3 league games, that squad had just had our best European result in decades.

He has done completely the opposite. The style of football he implemented did not work and never looked like working. Nearly every single player's performance levels dropped and most importantly, didn't get results.

The club you refer to in chaos finished 4th in 2021/22 season ahead of arsenal, man U and Newcastle , they finished 8th last year only 2 points of 6th spot. This year their 5th with a very slim chance now of 4th and could still matematicaly finish 6th or 7th .

Imo you have the big four in England of Man City , Man united , Liverpool , Arsenal followed by the likes of Chelsea, Spurs , Newcastle and villa . Is a 8th place finish really spurs in chaos ? .

Its a style a of play that's now getting called out due a slump which Ange has stated even after spending 200million on players that the squad needs changed further. Its not a comparison between Monty and Ange though to me it shows a manager needs time to change a squad that's failing.

Monty has picked up a squad that has finished 8th , 5th and now currently are in 7th position. The season we finished 5th which wasn't plain sailing by in any means in there was repeated calls for the manager to go most of the season with inconsistency throughout and poor performances and results, we were also knocked out of the league cup by teams well below our level which again highlights the problems we had and have !!!.

Nearly every single players performance hasn't dropped , some have though ones like Maolida, NMW ( Monty signings), Youan , Cadden and a few others have been good . As to the style of football he's implemented thats not working brings me start back to Ange ( not a comparison ) in that most managers cant implement their style of football untill they are able to change the squad and get their own players in .

Our manager not had the chance to do this and in Anges case it seems he believes it's going to take more than the 200 million he's already spent to do it which he's probably right about .

Anyhow I like to see Monty get a chance to change the team , if he goes , he goes though I'm not totally unwilling to give him a chance of this as others are unfortunately.

[Brightside]

I thought the chip on my shoulder re Johns nonsense backing of NM was bad enough but your stance is off the scale 😃

Its surely meant to be a joke? If not, keep him away from sharp objects.

[DaveF]

Looking forward to Johns defence of the manager 😂

[Itsnoteasy]

Looking forward to Johns defence of the manager 😂

I cant wait to hear if it was ketchup or brown sauce on his bacon roll.

[hibsbollah]

Looking forward to Johns defence of the manager 😂

I agree with John in principle. We DO have to stop sacking managers. Continuity is so important.
I just think we should start that with the next guy we bring in.

[bingo70]

I agree with John in principle. We DO have to stop sacking managers. Continuity is so important.
I just think we should start that with the next guy we bring in.

Continuity isn’t important. For the most part, it’s a thing of the past.

Good managers are important. If we replace Monty with someone amazing, he’ll be gone in a year or two for different reasons.

[hibsbollah]

Continuity isn’t important. For the most part, it’s a thing of the past.

Good managers are important. If we replace Monty with someone amazing, he’ll be gone in a year or two for different reasons.

I think it is important. Continuity ensures the principles youre trying to apply are consistent and long lasting. Its almost impossible to find perfect examples because of the way clubs have different resources but Gasperini has been retained at Atalanta a good long time, the guy at Dortmund has been in various roles at the club before being appointed last year, sort of an Anfield boot room vibe. Two clubs both in a european final.

If we get a good manager who gets us punching above our weight, yes he’ll probably move like Mowbray did, but if we retain the same culture and appoint someone with the same ethos, we’ll stop this sack appoint sack appoint cycle. Monty is no better or worse than Calderwood or Maloney or Johnson or the postie, its all irrelevant without a plan. Thats what Brians there for.

[matty_f]

I'm hoping we've got some news of a change in manager before we start recording tonight.

[matty_f]

Ep264 Falling Apart Again

We pick the bones out another embarrassing result in Monty's tenure as we go straight to your talking points.

https://pod.fo/e/23b294

https://youtu.be/pKSuRtKW7Rk?si=QVavUHOiupa-kpZT

[mcohibs]

Ep264 Falling Apart Again

We pick the bones out another embarrassing result in Monty's tenure as we go straight to your talking points.

https://pod.fo/e/23b294 (https://pod.fo/e/23b294)

https://youtu.be/pKSuRtKW7Rk?si=QVavUHOiupa-kpZT (https://youtu.be/pKSuRtKW7Rk?si=QVavUHOiupa-kpZT)

Fair play for the quick turnaround with these podcasts 👏

[hibeejeebies]

Another good listen guys.

[matty_f]

Thanks hibeejeebies and mcohibs!

[Bridge hibs]

Im enjoying all these shows you are churning out just now, football is **** but the humour is slightly better 😁

[Nicho87]

A polite respectful suggestion for the phone in episodes - is it worth having a timer on some responses. Some Ithink went on a bit longer and felt it lost its punchyness in what that type of episode that should be

Again with respect, love the shows

Thank you for your work and entertainment

[matty_f]

A polite respectful suggestion for the phone in episodes - is it worth having a timer on some responses. Some Ithink went on a bit longer and felt it lost its punchyness in what that type of episode that should be

Again with respect, love the shows

Thank you for your work and entertainment

We're working on that - we do ask everyone before we start to keep the answers short and succinct, which I think is maybe easier said than done at times, especially if it's not something folk are used to doing. A timer is a decent shout, we're also trying to figure out the logistics of bringing folk in one or two at a time, but we are trying to improve that. :aok:

[paddy1875]

The club you refer to in chaos finished 4th in 2021/22 season ahead of arsenal, man U and Newcastle , they finished 8th last year only 2 points of 6th spot. This year their 5th with a very slim chance now of 4th and could still matematicaly finish 6th or 7th .

Imo you have the big four in England of Man City , Man united , Liverpool , Arsenal followed by the likes of Chelsea, Spurs , Newcastle and villa . Is a 8th place finish really spurs in chaos ? .

Its a style a of play that's now getting called out due a slump which Ange has stated even after spending 200million on players that the squad needs changed further. Its not a comparison between Monty and Ange though to me it shows a manager needs time to change a squad that's failing.

Monty has picked up a squad that has finished 8th , 5th and now currently are in 7th position. The season we finished 5th which wasn't plain sailing by in any means in there was repeated calls for the manager to go most of the season with inconsistency throughout and poor performances and results, we were also knocked out of the league cup by teams well below our level which again highlights the problems we had and have !!!.

Nearly every single players performance hasn't dropped , some have though ones like Maolida, NMW ( Monty signings), Youan , Cadden and a few others have been good . As to the style of football he's implemented thats not working brings me start back to Ange ( not a comparison ) in that most managers cant implement their style of football untill they are able to change the squad and get their own players in .

Our manager not had the chance to do this and in Anges case it seems he believes it's going to take more than the 200 million he's already spent to do it which he's probably right about .

Anyhow I like to see Monty get a chance to change the team , if he goes , he goes though I'm not totally unwilling to give him a chance of this as others are unfortunately.

Ange will continue to play the style he’s always played regardless of the players at his disposal.

Hes said it himself. He’ll get new players in next season and they’ll continue to play the way they do. Maybe with slight tweaks here or there.

The mongoose wants to play 442 but he buckled and changed the formation after weeks of being absolutely overrun in the middle of the park week in week out.

The comparison is night and day. Ange is absolutely light years ahead in terms of football management. Our manager doesn’t inspire anybody. We are getting worse, players have downed tools after we cemented ourselves bottom 6 and the club released the statement. We simply cannot and should not persist with him going into next season. He has failed regardless of transfer windows and the players he’s had. There’s plenty managers in the league that could get these players more organised and have us winning many more games than we lose.

Probably a nice enough guy that couldn’t turn down the chance to manage Hibs he’s just simply not good enough and it would be a shocking decision to let him have another go.


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[Eyrie]

Probably a nice enough guy that couldn’t turn down the chance to manage Hibs he’s just simply not good enough and it would be a shocking decision to let him have another go.


Very like Fenlon.

[Itsnoteasy]

Looking forward to Johns defence of the manager 😂

New chapter

[matty_f]

Monty Fired/Malky Hired!

You can listen to our phone in now!

https://www.youtube.com/live/teI8fxL7zK0?si=2l9jX9kD1_GrHhQY

https://pod.fo/e/23bd5e

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I was buzzing when i checked this morning and there was a recording last night for my morning commute.

Colin came out with one of the best lines I've ever heard

"Shut the **** up appointments" really captured the reactionary vision from the people running the club over the last 12 months.

A good listen and enjoyed the breadth of viewpoints

[BILLYHIBS]

Excellent podcast

Agree with Ian M was never convinced by Monty from Day1 with his interviews ( lacked conviction) even although I wanted him in and wanted him to succeed and he also came across as not the sharpest tool in the box at times

[Donegal Hibby]

Very good podcast.

Thought one of the guys made a very interesting point about our loan players maybe not wanting to risk injury as both Marcondes and Maolida will probably be looking for new clubs in the summer , I thought both were very poor on Sunday and was surprised about Maolida tbh .

Thought it was also interesting when Monty was asked were the players already on holiday which he didn't really answer one way or another yet SDG dismissed the idea right away.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-stand-in-boss-on-holiday-accusation-players-monty-sacking-4628328

[matty_f]

Very good podcast.

Thought one of the guys made a very interesting point about our loan players maybe not wanting to risk injury as both Marcondes and Maolida will probably be looking for new clubs in the summer , I thought both were very poor on Sunday and was surprised about Maolida tbh .

Thought it was also interesting when Monty was asked were the players already on holiday which he didn't really answer one way or another yet SDG dismissed the idea right away.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-stand-in-boss-on-holiday-accusation-players-monty-sacking-4628328

SDG's answer was exactly what Monty should have said. Looking back, I think even Monty knew the writing was on the wall after Sunday. His interview was very much one of a guy who knew the game was up .

[Donegal Hibby]

[QUOTE=matty_f;7661425]SDG's answer was exactly what Monty should have said. Looking back, I think even Monty knew the writing was on the wall after Sunday. His interview was very much one of a guy who knew the game was up .[/QUOTE

It should have been and he probably did know in fairness he wasn't going to get away with that sort of performance after the season we had .

As someone that was backing even up to a week ago I'm genuinely sorry for the guy though it was the right call we made and hopefully we can now appoint someone to get us back on track.

Ronnie Delia or SDG would be my preferred choices.

[CropleyWasGod]

Matty, my son and I passed you on the Walk before the game last night, deep in conversation about Mackay.

Had you been 2 minutes earlier, you would have heard him talking about you guys. :greengrin

[matty_f]

Matty, my son and I passed you on the Walk before the game last night, deep in conversation about Mackay.

Had you been 2 minutes earlier, you would have heard him talking about you guys. :greengrin

Ah I'm sorry I missed you!

[matty_f]

We did our Thursday phone in last night covering the Motherwell game, Lewis and Paul, some more on Malky McKay plus more.

Catch it here:

https://pod.fo/e/23a6e3

https://youtube.com/live/f_N4feruwc0

[Bridge hibs]

We did our Thursday phone in last night converting the Motherwell game, Lewis and Paul, some more on Malky McKay plus more.

Catch it here:

https://pod.fo/e/23a6e3

https://youtube.com/live/f_N4feruwc0Listened this morning guys, I really like the format and the input from other guests too

Thanks again guys 👍

[matty_f]

Our final match review episode of the season is out now, we take a look back at the draw at Livi, go through the talking points and also discuss Malky Mackay's appointment.


(You'll find it in podcast players and our YouTube channel, I didn't put the link in to avoid any offence on the episode title).

[JohnM1875]

Totally get Colins point about McInnes and that'd get the media back onside etc. But imagine how bad it would be if his appointment doesn't work out? There's no chance it'd be McInnes fault and we'd get slaughtered more than ever.

[matty_f]

Totally get Colins point about McInnes and that'd get the media back onside etc. But imagine how bad it would be if his appointment doesn't work out? There's no chance it'd be McInnes fault and we'd get slaughtered more than ever.

That's a fair point, I think it'll be that way regardless though - we're already getting grief for burning through managers, the next guy has to work or its only going to get worse.

[bingo70]

Our final match review episode of the season is out now, we take a look back at the draw at Livi, go through the talking points and also discuss Malky Mackay's appointment.


(You'll find it in podcast players and our YouTube channel, I didn't put the link in to avoid any offence on the episode title).

I’m mid way through it the now, will finish it later on when I’m out in the car again.

Completely agree with Colin (not always been the case 😂) regarding wholesale changes of the playing squad not being required. Our starting 11 was far better than our results showed this season, we don’t need to ship out 40 and bring in a new 25. If we can get rid of the dross and get more from the players who have shown previously they’re good players then I think it’s just some fine tuning we require.

We need new centre half’s and a goalie that we can rely on that makes saves (wollacots save on Sunday at 0-0 underrated by the way, that was an incredible save), dominant, physical centre half’s who want to do the ugly stuff first, midfield general and then replace the creative attackers that are leaving. The usual 7 or 8 new signings and a bundle leaving should be fine I think.

[BILLYHIBS]

Agree with Colin yesterday’s game summed up our whole season dull boring and instantly forgettable where nothing of any significance happened on the pitch apart from a fine result in Europe and two points at Tiny

The only highlight for me being the form of Myziane Maolida who might soon become a distant memory

Hibs fans expect and deserve better

[Donegal Hibby]

Agree about the spine of the team needs improved and maybe the clear out doesn't have to be as big as suggested .
Wouldn't be surprised if we get Livvy away in the league cup now . 😂

[matty_f]

We are a day late with our phone in this week, but you can catch it here (and on podcast players in the next few minutes)

https://youtube.com/live/HrIaWZDxFfA?feature=share

We cover the hunt for a new head coach, highlights of the season, and what Tiago Pinto's appointment at Bournemouth means for the Hibees.

[Bridge hibs]

We are a day late with our phone in this week, but you can catch it here (and on podcast players in the next few minutes)

https://youtube.com/live/HrIaWZDxFfA?feature=share

We cover the hunt for a new head coach, highlights of the season, and what Tiago Pinto's appointment at Bournemouth means for the Hibees.

Cheers Matty, my Saturday morning coffee and Youtube fix sorted 👍

[matty_f]

Cheers Matty, my Saturday morning coffee and Youtube fix sorted 👍

Nice one! :aok:

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Kick on. I thought we were done for the season

Will catch this for the start of the week commute

[matty_f]

We held our Hibs' season 23/24 Quiz tonight on Youtube, you can catch it here https://youtube.com/live/L9quFdNmNjE?feature=share and play along to see if you can beat Colin and John's scores.

Podcast versions will be available shortly.

[Donegal Hibby]

Happy I got the amount a goals we scored question though frustrated about the club we got Vente from , could even picture their kit but not their name . Got 37 😬


Really enjoyed that , excellent quiz Matty :thumbsup:

[matty_f]

Happy I got the amount a goals we scored question though frustrated about the club we got Vente from , could even picture their kit but not their name . Got 37 😬


Really enjoyed that , excellent quiz Matty :thumbsup:

37 is a good score - I didn't expect many to get the Vente question. I'm just glad I was putting it together and not trying to answer it!

[matty_f]

Here's the podcast link:
https://pod.fo/e/2402f9

[Since452]

Excellent podcast

Agree with Ian M was never convinced by Monty from Day1 with his interviews ( lacked conviction) even although I wanted him in and wanted him to succeed and he also came across as not the sharpest tool in the box at times

Me either. Weren't allowed to say that about him at the time though. Thought he was dull and uninspiring while people were hanging off his every word. Didn't get it.

[matty_f]

Me either. Weren't allowed to say that about him at the time though. Thought he was dull and uninspiring while people were hanging off his every word. Didn't get it.

A lot of the time his interviews were just waffle but I generally got the point he was trying to make, I think he got away with it for longer because he was following Johnson, whose every word was ridiculed by the time he left.

[Alex Trager]

Is there a phone in this week Matty?

[matty_f]

Is there a phone in this week Matty?

Yes mate, it'll be on tonight from about 8pm on YouTube. Probably going to cover the cup draw and the ongoing manager search, might also touch on the rebuild required as well, depending on what folk 'phoning in' want to chat about!

Be good to see you there if you can make it!

[Alex Trager]

Yes mate, it'll be on tonight from about 8pm on YouTube. Probably going to cover the cup draw and the ongoing manager search, might also touch on the rebuild required as well, depending on what folk 'phoning in' want to chat about!

Be good to see you there if you can make it!

Nice one mate.

Hopefully I can get on this week.

[matty_f]

Nice one mate.

Hopefully I can get on this week.

You're more than welcome on - the more the merrier!

[matty_f]

Some great points from Hibs fans on our phone in tonight, you can watch it back here:

https://youtube.com/live/l_F3DxD3baM?feature=share

Podcast versions are just bring produced - will have them out shortly.

[matty_f]

Podcast versions here: https://pod.fo/e/241ac4

[matty_f]

Ep 267 An Exhibstential Crisis

We talk about short term thinking at Hibs, ask questions of those running the club and consider if we are about to see the start of better times.


https://youtu.be/rumgSjkevJ4

https://pod.fo/e/242bae

[Forza Fred]

Ep 267 An Exhibstential Crisis

We talk about short term thinking at Hibs, ask questions of those running the club and consider if we are about to see the start of better times.


https://youtu.be/rumgSjkevJ4

https://pod.fo/e/242bae

Josh Nisbet..Jacob Farrell

[matty_f]

Josh Nisbet..Jacob Farrell

Nice one!! :aok:

[RIP]

Ep 267 An Exhibstential Crisis

We talk about short term thinking at Hibs, ask questions of those running the club and consider if we are about to see the start of better times.


https://youtu.be/rumgSjkevJ4

https://pod.fo/e/242bae

Matty I feel the same as John about the extent of the crisis.

Looking back, we have had a rough ride under well-meaning yet totally inexperienced owners. Every pundit we listen to cites the structure of the football operation under the Gordons being the problem.

We've gone from the experience and acumen of Sir Tom, Rod and Leeann to a shambles of a football operation. Malky, Brian and the new Head Coach have a big job on their hands.

And fans need to understand that in going back to the DoF / Head Coach model that the new HC won't get licence to fire and hire. That has to be carried out by those further up the heirarchy.

[Bridge hibs]

Matty I feel the same about the crisis. Looking back, we have had a rough ride under well-meaning yet totally inexperienced owners. Every pundit we listen to cites the structure of the football operation under the Gordons being the problem.

We've gone from the experience and acumen of Sir Tom, Rod and Leeann to a shambles of a football operation. Malky, Brian and the new Head Coach have a big job on their hands.

And fans need to understand that in going back to the DoF / Head Coach model that the new HC won't get licence to fire and hire. That has to be carried out by those further up the heirarchy.What football experience did Farmer and Petrie have before coming to hibs ? They both made mistakes along the way too and Petrie got his share of abuse

Foley is a billionaire and he didnt get there selling pegs. His fellow BK group members are no doubt astute business people too. The Gordons have made mistakes and hopefully they will learn by those mistakes along the way

[RIP]

What football experience did Farmer and Petrie have before coming to hibs ? They both made mistakes along the way too and Petrie got his share of abuse

We all recall relegation and 'Ptrie Oot'.

In 2014 STF and RP identified the fact that the club structure was all 'corporate' types and too few 'football' types. So they hired Dempster who hired Craig who hired Mathie. Dempster and Craig hired Stubbs.


Foley is a billionaire and he didnt get there selling pegs. His fellow BK group members are no doubt astute business people too. The Gordons have made mistakes and hopefully they will learn by those mistakes along the way

Like you, I hope that Mackay's appointment and the Black Knights partnership will bear fruit.

[matty_f]

Matty I feel the same as John about the extent of the crisis.

Looking back, we have had a rough ride under well-meaning yet totally inexperienced owners. Every pundit we listen to cites the structure of the football operation under the Gordons being the problem.

We've gone from the experience and acumen of Sir Tom, Rod and Leeann to a shambles of a football operation. Malky, Brian and the new Head Coach have a big job on their hands.

And fans need to understand that in going back to the DoF / Head Coach model that the new HC won't get licence to fire and hire. That has to be carried out by those further up the heirarchy.

We'll be talking more about the future set up (or the here and now, now that Malky Mackay has started officially) tonight, I hope there's more grounds for optimism in the discussion and that this is the start of significant change at the club.

[Scotty Leither]

We'll be talking more about the future set up (or the here and now, now that Malky Mackay has started officially) tonight, I hope there's more grounds for optimism in the discussion and that this is the start of significant change at the club.

Matty, please ask Malky Mackay if the club can sign some ready made, solid pros to play the key positions, GK, CH, and CF and one standout creative midfield player?

My biggest beef about the recruitment in the last 4 years has been the strong whiff of experimentation about it. The Board will be under more scrutiny than ever this season, time for them to sign some recognised players to build a bit of goodwill.

[JimBHibees]

Totally agree how disappointing it is appearing to shelve an indoor pitch at east mains. Sounds like it would’ve been a long term asset for the club and players

[matty_f]

Matty, please ask Malky Mackay if the club can sign some ready made, solid pros to play the key positions, GK, CH, and CF and one standout creative midfield player?

My biggest beef about the recruitment in the last 4 years has been the strong whiff of experimentation about it. The Board will be under more scrutiny than ever this season, time for them to sign some recognised players to build a bit of goodwill.

I'm not sure we'll get the chance to speak to him, chief. We've been going to get Brian McDermott on for the last year to ask about that sort of thing and so I'm not sure anything will change here...

[DaveF]

Totally agree how disappointing it is appearing to shelve an indoor pitch at east mains. Sounds like it would’ve been a long term asset for the club and players

When was this announced? I thought the initial investment was earmarked to include an indoor facility. Has this been confirmed.

[JimBHibees]

When was this announced? I thought the initial investment was earmarked to include an indoor facility. Has this been confirmed.

Was chat about it in the latest podcast. Some suggestion Ben said something at a fan event near end of the season

[matty_f]

When was this announced? I thought the initial investment was earmarked to include an indoor facility. Has this been confirmed.

Tamig and Baldy Foghorn confirmed on another thread that Ben had said it. I had tried to find official confirmation but the best I could come up with was independent first hand accounts of what was said.

[matty_f]

We had our weekly phone in episode tonight, with some great 'calls' on SDG's appointment. Podcast episodes will be out shortly, but you can catch it on Youtube already:

https://youtube.com/live/nBT9j9T0loE

[Donegal Hibby]

Was looking at Grays career as a footballer and I might be wrong here though when his previous manager's like Ross, Ferguson etc was mentioned I think he might also had Ferguson's son as his manager along with David Unsworth and a few others too .

Really enjoyed the podcast :aok:

[matty_f]

Was looking at Grays career as a footballer and I might be wrong here though when his previous manager's like Ross, Ferguson etc was mentioned I think he might also had Ferguson's son as his manager along with David Unsworth and a few others too .

Really enjoyed the podcast :aok:
I think you're right! I couldn't remember his career path as a player but I'm sure you're right there.

[matty_f]

Our latest episode is out now, discussing Sir David Gray getting the Head Coach role.

Get it here!

https://youtu.be/nnSTj5zExUA

https://pod.fo/e/2460ae

[Bridge hibs]

Our latest episode is out now, discussing Sir David Gray getting the Head Coach role.

Get it here!

https://youtu.be/nnSTj5zExUA

https://pod.fo/e/2460aeYoutubed it this morning mate, good listen as always 👍

[hibeejeebies]

A Monday morning staple. Good stuff boys 👍🏻

[bingo70]

Started listening this morning and part of the way through it, sorry John, I’m no getting where you’re coming from at all to the point it has been a tough listen.

You don’t think we will be a success because of things behind the scenes. You don’t know what things, just things not being right?

It surely can’t have escaped your notice that behind the scenes there’s been a significant investment from a group of successful billionaires? We’ve brought in a new director of football to perform a completely different role from what Brian McDermott did who has masses of experience of Scottish football and on top of this there been an additional injection of cash. Behind the scenes is completely different to what it was before so for you to say just things aren’t right but give absolutely no substance to your point seems like you’re just argumentative for argumentatives sake. I get it must be difficult to come up with solutions when put on the spot but it would be good to know what sort of changes behind the scenes you were looking for that would have made you happy?

I should add that although they came in during the January transfer window, I’m sure you’d agree it wasn’t long enough in January for the black knights to make a real difference?

Cherry on top was when you said Montgomery got sacked purely down to the board listening to fans baying for blood, that suggests to me you didn’t pay any attention to any of the multitude of reasons given to you towards the end of the season why he was going to get sacked. It wasn’t just because of angry fans.

Lastly while I’m laying into you, you spoke in relative depth about what happens if Gray fails and what the consequences would be for the board, what about if he’s a success thanks to all the changes that have been made? Seemed a very negative stance from someone who I think normally prides themselves on being positive about the club (I think).

Rant over, for now. 😂

[BILLYHIBS]

John would have us looking forward to another season of turgid boring football under Monty and another bottom six finish lol :greengrin

Would be a dull podcast if everyone agreed on everything

Great work guys

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I’ve got John’s mobile number. I’ll listen to the podcast over lunch and if I disagree with him as well Bingo, rest assured I’ll spend the rest of my waking day dementing the life out him. I’ll also send him various pictures of me sitting on a rocking horse whilst topless. It’s my moral duty to do so. Actually I’ll do that whether I agree with him or not.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Given John's position on Monty over the last weeks of his reign I was a bit shocked with his stance on the current situation

If anything it feels the opposite for me. We've gotten football people with Scottish football knowledge in footballing positions within the club. And this was the time for SDG. Him going away to learn his apprenticeship is, imo fantasy stuff. How often does that work? He knows the club top to bottom now. Only person I'd have given the job to before Gray was McInnes. But does feel like we have a structure in place that would support Gray rather than McInnes anyway

[bingo70]

Given John's position on Monty over the last weeks of his reign I was a bit shocked with his stance on the current situation

If anything it feels the opposite for me. We've gotten football people with Scottish football knowledge in footballing positions within the club. And this was the time for SDG. Him going away to learn his apprenticeship is, imo fantasy stuff. How often does that work? He knows the club top to bottom now. Only person I'd have given the job to before Gray was McInnes. But does feel like we have a structure in place that would support Gray rather than McInnes anyway

Yes, that’s it, if you ignore all the changes behind the scenes then everything is still the same as last year, I don’t see why you would ignore all the changes though as they seem very positive to me.

I was maybe harsh in my earlier post, I like John on the podcast and even though I disagreed with him regarding Monty, i always respect people who don’t let their opinion be swayed by the masses, there’s been times I look back and wish I stuck to my guns better (Fenlon the obvious one for me). I just don’t know how anybody can look at our infrastructure now and say it’s the same as it was?

I think when we changed Monty it was important we recognised it wasn’t just a case of changing the manager to fix all our problems but it’s pretty clear we haven’t done that. We’ve changed sporting director, we’ve had a cash investment and we’ve now got people in place so our partnership with other Black knights group is a joined up one. I think behind the scenes is looking really quite good and interesting now, I just hope it translates to the park.

[matty_f]

Yes, that’s it, if you ignore all the changes behind the scenes then everything is still the same as last year, I don’t see why you would ignore all the changes though as they seem very positive to me.

I was maybe harsh in my earlier post, I like John on the podcast and even though I disagreed with him regarding Monty, i always respect people who don’t let their opinion be swayed by the masses, there’s been times I look back and wish I stuck to my guns better (Fenlon the obvious one for me). I just don’t know how anybody can look at our infrastructure now and say it’s the same as it was?

I think when we changed Monty it was important we recognised it wasn’t just a case of changing the manager to fix all our problems but it’s pretty clear we haven’t done that. We’ve changed sporting director, we’ve had a cash investment and we’ve now got people in place so our partnership with other Black knights group is a joined up one. I think behind the scenes is looking really quite good and interesting now, I just hope it translates to the park.
I said as much - we wanted changes over and above Monty, that's what we're seeing now. I think trust in the board is very low and when you factor in the the major appointments recently have all been "locally sourced" then I can see why there's still scepticism about it.

My own opinion is probably closer to yours though, that we can see the changes and need to give them an opportunity to develop.

[JimBHibees]

I’ve got John’s mobile number. I’ll listen to the podcast over lunch and if I disagree with him as well Bingo, rest assured I’ll spend the rest of my waking day dementing the life out him. I’ll also send him various pictures of me sitting on a rocking horse whilst topless. It’s my moral duty to do so. Actually I’ll do that whether I agree with him or not.

:faf:

[Brightside]

John would have us looking forward to another season of turgid boring football under Monty and another bottom six finish lol :greengrin

Would be a dull podcast if everyone agreed on everything

Great work guys

Johns my favourite on the pod. :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

Johns my favourite on the pod. :greengrin

:greengrin

[Nicho87]

Johns most famous quote since I’ve been listening this season was he felt it would be a good thing for hibs to get dragged into the play-offs to revitalise the squad even though there would be a chance of being relegated

Ever since that quote, I now pull over whilst driving when John speaks.

Wild wild wild thoughts.

[bingo70]

FWIW I like John on the podcast and the last thing I ever wanted to do was to start some sort of pile on. I disagreed with him about Monty and I don’t understand his point about the behind the scenes stuff being the problem when it’s been completely overhauled but generally speaking, I think the three of them on the podcast are excellent and between them they nearly always capture my thoughts on all thing Hibs.

I used to enjoy a ding dong with Colin on here regarding Jack Ross and what the definition of a big game was so if you’re reading this John, please be assured my criticism yesterday wasn’t personal.

Keep up the good work 👍

[Pedantic_Hibee]

John he thinks you’re a dick.

[Since452]

I'm a regular listener. Really enjoy the podcast but rarely agree with Johns points of view. Would be boring if everyone agreed though.

[matty_f]

This week’s episode is out now - we look at a couple of player exits and Brian McDermott leaving, as well as Scotland’s Deutschland disaster!

https://pod.fo/e/248614


https://youtu.be/Rc5auqEAg9E?si=JzJf4CnJzzpHdgn2

[matty_f]

If you missed our phone in yesterday, you can catch up here:

https://youtube.com/live/bSGazLESFRE

Some thoughts on the new strip, SDG's backroom team, and Scotland at the Euros!

[matty_f]

Watched it and totally understand if you don't want to go any further. But your comments about disconnect between BK group and Owners/Kensell views on certain things seems a wee bit worrying. Maybe just reading too much into it?

Again, if you don't want to go any further I get it and sorry for bringing it up.

Funnily enough, just fired a TL;DR post on the private board about that and other things that I was trying to articulate last night.

I can't make up my mind if this is the club line as I've had it directly and indirectly from a number of people now, that BKFC are investors and nothing else but in practice they're more involved than we'll know, or if we genuinely have decided to go down a road where we have the benefit of being part of a group and choose not to tap into that for whatever mad reason.


Either way, it looks terrible that BKFC are happy to say to the world that they're hiring folk to make us a success while we say 'are you ****'.

[matty_f]

Recorded right after the game last night, some reaction:

https://youtu.be/rUpBLMR8cvk?si=EUYFzzT8aqEkYZfB

[matty_f]

Ep271 More Art Than Science

Available now!

Hibs win first pre-season game
Mckirdy scores a screamer
3 new signings
Murray and Docherty on the radar.

https://youtu.be/jKlbog_wuGc?si=f5RszVWavr5hko7A

https://pod.fo/e/24d89b

[matty_f]

If you missed our phone in tonight, it was a great chat and very upbeat about @HibernianFC

You can watch it here:

https://youtube.com/live/QwvpzgP28Is?feature=share

Podcast versions will be up shortly!

[Iain G]

If you missed our phone in tonight, it was a great chat and very upbeat about @HibernianFC

You can watch it here:

https://youtube.com/live/QwvpzgP28Is?feature=share

Podcast versions will be up shortly!

It's bad enough listening to you lot without the visuals! Just kidding, but will stay a listener 😁

[matty_f]

It's bad enough listening to you lot without the visuals! Just kidding, but will stay a listener 😁

I don't blame you!

Podcast versions are here:
https://pod.fo/e/24f3da

[matty_f]

Ep272 PAOK-Man

Available now!

A look at Hibs’ win over PAOK, pre-season so far, how the team is shaping up, and your talking points!

Get it here:
https://youtu.be/CEOFzzFBo38?si=WQ2j5xz1h2zMLGaz



https://pod.fo/e/250144

[BILLYHIBS]

Maybes bring back the hoops for the 150th eh Matty ?

[matty_f]

Maybes bring back the hoops for the 150th eh Matty ?

That was the year after, our second strip so would be our 151st.

[BILLYHIBS]

That was the year after, our second strip so would be our 151st.

Thought we were formed 6th August 1875

No ?

Aw see what you mean our strip was the hoops but Canon Hannon gave us white strips with green trim for the first full season

Anyway need to think up something special for 2025/26

[matty_f]

https://www.youtube.com/live/lrbninLNhIE?si=zbgHn-4X_l-HDHRz

You can catch our fans' "phone in" here. This week, there's chat about ALF, the league cup, the squad, and Simon Murray.

[matty_f]

Ep 273 Elgin Marvels

Hibs get their season off to a winning start with a professional 0-5 win over Elgin. A hat-trick for Vente, Molotnikov shines, and Hibs do the basics well. Plus your talking points!

Out now
https://youtu.be/0ofbDD6Y8Ko?si=mSDCmwMVvLvP9am4

https://pod.fo/e/25286a

[matty_f]

It's our fifth birthday today, so a fitting time to say a wee word of thanks to everyone who tunes in, comments on the thread, and generally supports the podcast. We're very fortunate that by and large folk are overwhelmingly supportive but we're don't take it for granted.

And a thank you to the admin team for allowing me to share the episodes here.

[Bridge hibs]

It's our fifth birthday today, so a fitting time to say a wee word of thanks to everyone who tunes in, comments on the thread, and generally supports the podcast. We're very fortunate that by and large folk are overwhelmingly supportive but we're don't take it for granted.

And a thank you to the admin team for allowing me to share the episodes here.Keep up the good work mate 👍

[Tricla]

It's our fifth birthday today, so a fitting time to say a wee word of thanks to everyone who tunes in, comments on the thread, and generally supports the podcast. We're very fortunate that by and large folk are overwhelmingly supportive but we're don't take it for granted.

And a thank you to the admin team for allowing me to share the episodes here.

Happy birthday to the Longbangers. Quality stuff.

[Ryan91]

It's our fifth birthday today, so a fitting time to say a wee word of thanks to everyone who tunes in, comments on the thread, and generally supports the podcast. We're very fortunate that by and large folk are overwhelmingly supportive but we're don't take it for granted.

And a thank you to the admin team for allowing me to share the episodes here.

Happy Birthday to the Pod.

[matty_f]

Thanks for the good wishes, folks!

I’m just working on the podcast versions, but tonight's phone in is now available to watch!

Great to hear the positivity after a couple of wins in the Premier Sports Cup group stages for the Hibees!

https://youtube.com/live/S-XPgMugpkk

[hibeejeebies]

They grow up so fast 🥲

Many happy returns LBs!

[BILLYHIBS]

Happy birthday guys

Must have missed the two worldy passes from Rocky but good to hear

Enjoying the new front foot way of playing under SDG long may it continue

Onwards and upwards

GGTTH

[matty_f]

Ep 247 Golden Quadrant of Embarrassment
🚨Out now!🚨
Hapless Hibs humbled
Too many changes?
Awful finishing cost us
Where’s the money?
Players need to be shipped out
🎧 https://pod.fo/e/254dd4
📺 https://youtu.be/oIs5zWHFKD4?si=CUnQc6HjYAdxCiDT

[tonyrougier123]

Ep 247 Golden Quadrant of Embarrassment
🚨Out now!🚨
Hapless Hibs humbled
Too many changes?
Awful finishing cost us
Where’s the money?
Players need to be shipped out
🎧 https://pod.fo/e/254dd4
📺 https://youtu.be/oIs5zWHFKD4?si=CUnQc6HjYAdxCiDT

Half way through, you’re very conflicted just now Matty. Couple signings you’ll be cheerleading again in no time. 🤦*♂️😂

[BILLYHIBS]

I feel your pain Matty

Thought John was very good

Cheer up Cheer up the boys will see us through

We win Saturday

[matty_f]

Half way through, you’re very conflicted just now Matty. Couple signings you’ll be cheerleading again in no time. 🤦*♂️😂

Cheerleading for who?

[tonyrougier123]

Cheerleading for who?

Hibs obviously,I think a good few of us will have a more positive outlook when the cheque book is opened and a couple new faces arrive.
You were very optimistic about the investment few months ago but that seems to have drained considerably.

[matty_f]

Hibs obviously,I think a good few of us will have a more positive outlook when the cheque book is opened and a couple new faces arrive.
You were very optimistic about the investment few months ago but that seems to have drained considerably.

I hope I am!

I’m still optimistic about it, money into the club is a good thing and we’re only four months from the investment being agreed and in that time the club moved quickly to renovate the Famous Five, stick the safe standing in etc, hired Malky, and we’ve seen a load of players shipped out.

I might not be so relaxed about it come the end of the window but I do think it needs time for us to properly realise the benefit.

[Jones28]

Good episode again guys, theres a real Star Wars apprentice/jedi master thing going on with you and John.

[matty_f]

Good episode again guys, theres a real Star Wars apprentice/jedi master thing going on with you and John.

😂😂😂 am I the old Obi Wan Ker Knobi?

[mcohibs]

Another good ep and an important conversation about the abuse levelled at players, all the more audible on Saturday.

What benefit does it serve our team to scream at Levitt that’s he’s never a Hibs player? Everyone’s a hard man in the safety of a crowd. If these so called supporters met the players in the street there’s no chance they’d scream that at them. Likely fold like a cheap suit. Or ask for a selfie.

[Jones28]

😂😂😂 am I the old Obi Wan Ker Knobi?

😂 absolutely.

That would mean John is Anakin Sky******.

Colin can be Yoda.

[matty_f]

😂 absolutely.

That would mean John is Anakin Sky******.

Colin can be Yoda.

About the right height for it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

About the right height for it.

Yoda - is he the all seeing one?

[Jones28]

Yoda - is he the all seeing one?

Is he, aye. :wink:

[matty_f]

https://www.youtube.com/live/RGN28G7GxQQ?si=9s0GKbcTKQkmifLC

Our Thursday phone in is out now, this week:
Kelty v Hibs, Hibs v Watford, and Foley v Gordon.

[007]

About the right height for it.

And the same hairstyle. 😯

[matty_f]

And the same hairstyle. 😯

Aye! :faf:

[matty_f]

Ep 275 is out now!
We go through your talking points from Hibs' win on Saturday, and what the Kelty defeat did to our chances in the next round as we go away to Celtic.

https://pod.fo/e/257ee0

https://youtu.be/dKJ891DfA_A?si=JZ3Z83paciiZ6j_3

[hibeejeebies]

Great listen as always boys.

[matty_f]

Great listen as always boys.

Thanks :aok:

[matty_f]

Here's this week's phone in, with fans giving their predictions for Sunday and the season ahead, the transfer window so far, and how David Gray's done with the team.

https://youtube.com/live/9u0Dq4Ug1WA?feature=share

[007]

Here's this week's phone in, with fans giving their predictions for Sunday and the season ahead, the transfer window so far, and how David Gray's done with the team.

https://youtube.com/live/9u0Dq4Ug1WA?feature=share

Where have I heard that Junior Hoilett joke before? 🤔 (Having listened to the Hibs Observer podcast followed by Longbangers phone-in 😀).

[Bridge hibs]

Here's this week's phone in, with fans giving their predictions for Sunday and the season ahead, the transfer window so far, and how David Gray's done with the team.

https://youtube.com/live/9u0Dq4Ug1WA?feature=share

Nice one mate, my early Saturday morning fix 👍

[matty_f]

Where have I heard that Junior Hoilett joke before? 🤔 (Having listened to the Hibs Observer podcast followed by Longbangers phone-in 😀).

👀 It amused me - apologies for the lack of credit, I couldn't find the post!

[1875-Hibernia]

Posting on here as I enjoy listening to the podcast and it might get discussed with cooler heads.

I've watched 4 games of football this weekend and minus Killie, who were blown away by a rampant Celtic, every other game the midfielders ran their socks off and dictated the games. I know just looking at the big moments of the game, Boyle missed a big chance and Vente blundered a sitter, Ekpiteta gifted them the 2nd, Bursik probably guilty of the first. For me though, once again our midfield are guilty of not controlling and dictating games.

I don't want to start having a go at individual players but Campbell and Newell have had 230+ games between them and seen off 5 managers. At what point does someone look at this and say that midfield isn't good enough. We desperately need a box-to-box player in asap.

[matty_f]

Posting on here as I enjoy listening to the podcast and it might get discussed with cooler heads.

I've watched 4 games of football this weekend and minus Killie, who were blown away by a rampant Celtic, every other game the midfielders ran their socks off and dictated the games. I know just looking at the big moments of the game, Boyle missed a big chance and Vente blundered a sitter, Ekpiteta gifted them the 2nd, Bursik probably guilty of the first. For me though, once again our midfield are guilty of not controlling and dictating games.

I don't want to start having a go at individual players but Campbell and Newell have had 230+ games between them and seen off 5 managers. At what point does someone look at this and say that midfield isn't good enough. We desperately need a box-to-box player in asap.

The midfield were totally anonymous in the second half - thought they did well enough first half but you could have had training cones in their place after half time.

[1875-Hibernia]

The midfield were totally anonymous in the second half - thought they did well enough first half but you could have had training cones in their place after half time.

Agreed, although even in the first half, we never looked like we had full control. . Just my opinion without trying to react and base it solely on today’s game. That midfield is not good enough to get us in the top 6, let alone challenge for Europe.

[Real Emerald]

The midfield were totally anonymous in the second half - thought they did well enough first half but you could have had training cones in their place after half time.

That midfield have been anonymous for about 3 years. It’s blatantly obvious to everyone except the Hibs management. Crazy stuff.

[Trinity Hibee]

That midfield have been anonymous for about 3 years. It’s blatantly obvious to everyone except the Hibs management. Crazy stuff.

Fully agree. That midfield hasn’t been working for the last 3 managers

[tonyrougier123]

The midfield were totally anonymous in the second half - thought they did well enough first half but you could have had training cones in their place after half time.

Let’s not just blame midfield though. Full backs were awful, apart from obita getting crosses in to the imaginary strikers we have.

Ekpiteta and o’hora haven’t covered themselves in glory either. We are awful top to bottom and we simply haven’t recruited never mind signed talent we’ve stuck a plaster over our problems.

[Nicho87]

Far to many people got excited about beating a couple league two teams 5-0 including Hibs

Centre half’s signed from lower league England was never going to solely solidify this **** show

[GreenCastle]

Posting on here as I enjoy listening to the podcast and it might get discussed with cooler heads.

I've watched 4 games of football this weekend and minus Killie, who were blown away by a rampant Celtic, every other game the midfielders ran their socks off and dictated the games. I know just looking at the big moments of the game, Boyle missed a big chance and Vente blundered a sitter, Ekpiteta gifted them the 2nd, Bursik probably guilty of the first. For me though, once again our midfield are guilty of not controlling and dictating games.

I don't want to start having a go at individual players but Campbell and Newell have had 230+ games between them and seen off 5 managers. At what point does someone look at this and say that midfield isn't good enough. We desperately need a box-to-box player in asap.

100% - watched other games and every team has a better balanced midfield.

Even the Dundee midfield today you could see the CDM and 2 in front.

We don’t have a natural CDM who reads the game - makes tackles and protect the back 4.

I watched today as gaps were left and St Mirren players made runs and found gaps in between the lines.

[matty_f]

Let’s not just blame midfield though. Full backs were awful, apart from obita getting crosses in to the imaginary strikers we have.

Ekpiteta and o’hora haven’t covered themselves in glory either. We are awful top to bottom and we simply haven’t recruited never mind signed talent we’ve stuck a plaster over our problems.
Agreed. Nobody covered themselves in glory today.

[Coco Bryce]

Let’s not just blame midfield though. Full backs were awful, apart from obita getting crosses in to the imaginary strikers we have.

Ekpiteta and o’hora haven’t covered themselves in glory either. We are awful top to bottom and we simply haven’t recruited never mind signed talent we’ve stuck a plaster over our problems.

The goalie looks well suspect as well.

[Alex Trager]

The midfield were totally anonymous in the second half - thought they did well enough first half but you could have had training cones in their place after half time.

As is almost always the case.

People were reimagining Josh Campbell being this high quality player that he sadly is not, and celebrating Joe Newell’s new contract after season after season of ***** (and renewal after renewal) and wonder why we are here again.

The midfield is not good enough.

[Coco Bryce]

The midfield were totally anonymous in the second half - thought they did well enough first half but you could have had training cones in their place after half time.

Positive some dafty predicted on Longbangers last week Campbell would be POTY or Top Goalscorer 🤣😉

[paddy1875]

As is almost always the case.

People were reimagining Josh Campbell being this high quality player that he sadly is not, and celebrating Joe Newell’s new contract after season after season of ***** (and renewal after renewal) and wonder why we are here again.

The midfield is not good enough.

Once a player gets injured at hibs the Mandela effect takes place it seems


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[ChuckNor]

100% - watched other games and every team has a better balanced midfield.

Even the Dundee midfield today you could see the CDM and 2 in front.

We don’t have a natural CDM who reads the game - makes tackles and protect the back 4.

I watched today as gaps were left and St Mirren players made runs and found gaps in between the lines.

Nathan Moriah Welsh was all over the place today. A dreadful signing. Hopefully we don’t see much of him this season. Miles below this standard. He’ll be playing League 2 with Nohan Kenneh next season.

[matty_f]

Positive some dafty predicted on Longbangers last week Campbell would be POTY or Top Goalscorer 🤣😉

I think the heat had affected my judgement or something. Top scorer was my prediction. I know nothing!

[Real Emerald]

Nathan Moriah Welsh was all over the place today. A dreadful signing. Hopefully we don’t see much of him this season. Miles below this standard. He’ll be playing League 2 with Nohan Kenneh next season.

We’re stuck with all these pish players though, what can we do?

[Musselbound]

The goalie looks well suspect as well.

Like the centre backs, never been properly tested until yesterday. Far too many seemed to have assumed our defence had improved based on a few League Cup group games and a couple of friendlies, one of which we also conceded three goals against Watford.

[matty_f]

Ep 276 Trust the Process?

St Mirren 3 Hibs 0 | Same old Hibs | What is going on at the club?

We cover your talking points from a horror show in Paisley as Hibs lose 3-0 to open the league campaign.

https://pod.fo/e/25a714

https://youtu.be/gjvjimP1CUI?si=VKgZClxs_y7rfIFM

[1875-Hibernia]

100% - watched other games and every team has a better balanced midfield.

Even the Dundee midfield today you could see the CDM and 2 in front.

We don’t have a natural CDM who reads the game - makes tackles and protect the back 4.

I watched today as gaps were left and St Mirren players made runs and found gaps in between the lines.


I agree. I am not one for wanting old players back and ultimately I think he wasn't good enough for where Hibs should be (so not wanting him back) but give me someone with the heart of Gogic over our current midfield. IMO we are 2 midfielders short and it is going to be a long season!

[Alex Trager]

https://x.com/longbangers/status/1820518604913463523?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A

Just seen this on twitter, is this for subscribers only?

[matty_f]

https://x.com/longbangers/status/1820518604913463523?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A

Just seen this on twitter, is this for subscribers only?

It is, mate, but we knew Marvin would be a popular one so we've set it up that you can do a free trial which will let you listen without paying.

[Coco Bryce]

https://x.com/longbangers/status/1820518604913463523?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A

Just seen this on twitter, is this for subscribers only?

Less than the price of a pint a month for a subscription mate.

A couple of them actually talk sense 😉

[matty_f]

Less than the price of a pint a month for a subscription mate.

A couple of them actually talk sense 😉

Don't tell them that!

[JimBHibees]

The goalie looks well suspect as well.

Thought he looked OK good at crosses and with his feet. First time I have seen him but thought he was pretty impressive