Next season transfer plans

[Dazzjw1875]

Firstly sorry if this is posted elsewhere, was just wondering with the recent board statement regarding looking over the end of season and possible changes perhaps inc NM, where this will out us interms of recruitment? I'm thinking this could perhaps damage and potential incoming/ conversations had with players or do these days players not really care..

[Jones28]

I think the manager will be in or out at the end of the season dependent on results, but McDermott is reportedly working very hard behind the scenes getting players in/out.

[Donegal Hibby]

Thing about it for me is the type of players Monty will have discussed with McDermott that he wants mighten be the same type of players another manager would want.

Also if we were after the Aussie lads Farrell and Nisbet would they still want to come if Monty wasn't the manager? .

Purely on our current manager will know who he wants to move on and wants in and we probably even at this stage have started identifying targets I think a new manager will probably throw the whole process back to square one again.

[Lago]

Bit premature is it not :rolleyes:

[Ronniekirk]

I think the manager will be in or out at the end of the season dependent on results, but McDermott is reportedly working very hard behind the scenes getting players in/out.
So are the posters saying he was leaving in the summer wrong

[Jones28]

So are the posters saying he was leaving in the summer wrong

They might not be, but he's still got a job to do before he leaves if he is.

[PHeffernan]

So are the posters saying he was leaving in the summer wrong

Everyone is guessing as usual

[MWHIBBIES]

Bit premature is it not :rolleyes:

Why? We should be looking at and signing players now.

[Unseen work]

Luke McCowan
1 x goalkeeper
2 x centre back
1 x left winger
1 x striker

Please

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thing about it for me is the type of players Monty will have discussed with McDermott that he wants mighten be the same type of players another manager would want.

Also if we were after the Aussie lads Farrell and Nisbet would they still want to come if Monty wasn't the manager? .

Purely on our current manager will know who he wants to move on and wants in and we probably even at this stage have started identifying targets I think a new manager will probably throw the whole process back to square one again.

If they only wanted to come because Montgomery was manager I wouldn’t be signing them anyway.

It would be a huge step up in their career. That should be the incentive.

[Donegal Hibby]

If they only wanted to come because Montgomery was manager I wouldn’t be signing them anyway.

It would be a huge step up in their career. That should be the incentive.

Both might end up having other clubs interested that are on par with our own or bigger , having played for our current manager before could give us an extra advantage in signing them .

[DH1875]

Would expect a few loan signings from the other clubs that the Black Knights are involved with whoever our manager is.

[Forza Fred]

Bit premature is it not :rolleyes:

Why?

It’s not a case of we’ll take stock and start looking at the end of the season.

A lot of players probably already know where they will be next season as their agents would already have been involved in ‘informal’ discussions.

I’d be surprised and disappointed if Hibs hadn’t approached a few by now…..

Hearts have already got three on pre contract agreements and that is out in the public domain.

[WellingtonHibby]

Would like us to go for the Wellington Phoenix Goalkeeper. Stand out in the league this year, good with his feet and a good age

https://www.transfermarkt.com/alex-paulsen/profil/spieler/617009

https://aleagues.com.au/news/who-is-alex-paulsen-wellington-phoenix-a-league/

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe one of our fringe players that we might be able to move easier than some others ? .
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/notts-county-should-eye-hibernian-raid-this-summer-for-stuart-maynard-reunion-view/

[WellingtonHibby]

Maybe one of our fringe players that we might be able to move easier than some others ? .
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/notts-county-should-eye-hibernian-raid-this-summer-for-stuart-maynard-reunion-view/

Decent stats. Wonder if we're keeping tabs on him to bring him back in next year

[Brightside]

Luke McCowan
1 x goalkeeper
2 x centre back
1 x left winger
1 x striker

Please

That won't be far off.

[Forza Fred]

If they only wanted to come because Montgomery was manager I wouldn’t be signing them anyway.

It would be a huge step up in their career. That should be the incentive.

Hibs won’t be the only clubs interested in them.
Their relationship with and respect for Monty could tip their decision our way.
That’s not to say that Hibs ARE actively trying to sign them, and I have no idea if they are, but both have recently expressed a desire to play outside Australia.

[Donegal Hibby]

Decent stats. Wonder if we're keeping tabs on him to bring him back in next year

They are decent stats . I would imagine we are keeping tabs on him and even though he's young I think he's one we will probably try and move on as he's never really got a look in at us .

Might be totally wrong though could be a case of he's found his level there .

Keeper you have mentioned looks decent btw .

[Greenio]

Jus reading Lennon talking about Hibs and NM.

Cant work out what it is he's saying tbh - said something about the upcoming matches not changing anything, but then goes on to put the boot in a little, not underserved at all mind.

I honestly have no idea whats going on, is he staying, is he a dead man walking or is he fighting for his job in these last few games?

Could be all 3 tbh

[number9dream]

I'd like to think we are targeting a goalkeeper with more experience.
Someone like Mitov at St J must be under consideration. He wouldn't cost that much with a year on his deal and, at 27, could be our number one for a long time to come.
Again at centre-half, we need a couple of guys of who are more seasoned to give us a solid platform.

[Lago]

Why? We should be looking at and signing players now.
And then we have the usual not his players if the inevitable happens and NM goes.

[Lago]

Why?

It’s not a case of we’ll take stock and start looking at the end of the season.

A lot of players probably already know where they will be next season as their agents would already have been involved in ‘informal’ discussions.

I’d be surprised and disappointed if Hibs hadn’t approached a few by now…..

Hearts have already got three on pre contract agreements and that is out in the public domain.
And Hearts also appear to have a stable management /coaching team in place.

[Forza Fred]

And Hearts also appear to have a stable management /coaching team in place.

Interesting observation.

Not directed at you, and speaking generally,but I’m just not sure what constitutes a ‘stable’ environment football wise these days.

If managers have a few bad weeks they can move quickly from ‘stable’ to ‘shoogly’.

Naismith to his credit, did it the other way…….back in September the cries by their supporters to replace him were long and loud.

His board stayed with him and now he is seen as successful.

Funny old game.

[JimBHibees]

Luke McCowan
1 x goalkeeper
2 x centre back
1 x left winger
1 x striker

Please

Any chat about Luke coming? Think would be an excellent signing

[Donegal Hibby]

And then we have the usual not his players if the inevitable happens and NM goes.

I would have thought we have our signing targets identified at this stage so maybe it's a possibility even if we had a change of manager NOW they still wouldn't be the new guys players .

Always a chance that if our current manager gets the players he wants he can still turn things around too. We can only live in hope 👍

[JimBHibees]

Bit premature is it not :rolleyes:

Definitely not imo

[McGruber]

Luke McCowan
1 x goalkeeper
2 x centre back
1 x left winger
1 x striker

Please

Would add a left back.
Depending on how many leave might need 3 centre backs and 2 strikers

[Lago]

Interesting observation.

Not directed at you, and speaking generally,but I’m just not sure what constitutes a ‘stable’ environment football wise these days.

If managers have a few bad weeks they can move quickly from ‘stable’ to ‘shoogly’.

Naismith to his credit, did it the other way…….back in September the cries by their supporters to replace him were long and loud.

His board stayed with him and now he is seen as successful.

Funny old game.
It sure is, personally I still hope NM can turn things around :agree:

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I thought about Robbie McCrorie but then saw how many games he's played in 10 years, hes 26. Only six appearances for the stickies. You wonder if he regrets signing that new deal when he did.

[JohnM1875]

I thought about Robbie McCrorie but then saw how many games he's played in 10 years, hes 26. Only six appearances for the stickies. You wonder if he regrets signing that new deal when he did.

Easy money being a back up keeper though. Same with Siegrist at Celtic. Don't think he's even played as much as McCrorie, halfway through a four year deal I'm sure. Would have loved us to sign him at one point.

[hibsforeurope]

Firstly sorry if this is posted elsewhere, was just wondering with the recent board statement regarding looking over the end of season and possible changes perhaps inc NM, where this will out us interms of recruitment? I'm thinking this could perhaps damage and potential incoming/ conversations had with players or do these days players not really care..

Under our current structure NM is the Head Coach, it shouldn't matter who we sign/move on, if he was manager his current position may cast some doubt on transfers but we should be able to press on with our plans.

McDermott is the head of the football department he should be responsible for signings, footballing philosophies etc, including the head coach to fit this criteria.

[MWHIBBIES]

I thought about Robbie McCrorie but then saw how many games he's played in 10 years, hes 26. Only six appearances for the stickies. You wonder if he regrets signing that new deal when he did.

3rd choice goalie is one of the best jobs in the world.

[Jones28]

3rd choice goalie is one of the best jobs in the world.

I'm sure I read somewhere about the Man United 3rd/4th choice keeper who was one of the best paid players in history going by pounds earned/minutes on the park.

[04Sauzee]

Sure we were linked with this guy?
Although he's not played much and I'm sure it's been mentioned on here he may not be ready for a move.
https://x.com/robcornthwaite/status/1782706910518792588?t=hLTKPjsjYXVZC7vf-vzZtQ&s=09

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sure we were linked with this guy?
Although he's not played much and I'm sure it's been mentioned on here he may not be ready for a move.
https://x.com/robcornthwaite/status/1782706910518792588?t=hLTKPjsjYXVZC7vf-vzZtQ&s=09

Sure someone suggested he wasn’t even ready for the A-League, never mind a move.

[04Sauzee]

Sure someone suggested he wasn’t even ready for the A-League, never mind a move.

The number of minutes he's had this season would suggest that. Someone must see something in him.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I'm sure I read somewhere about the Man United 3rd/4th choice keeper who was one of the best paid players in history going by pounds earned/minutes on the park.

There was meant to be a goalie in Portugal, back up 20 20years and never played a game

[SteveHFC]

Lyall Cameron
Daniel Armstrong

[EGL2000]

I wonder if we will try get some lorient players especially if they go down. Could imagine a few won't want to play in second division. Need to take a significant wage cut though.

[EGL2000]

Lyall Cameron
Daniel Armstrong

Genuinely think Armstrongs probably out of our range.I would imagine kille would look for around 2 mil, which I think is a fair price. Lyall Cameron is probably going that way as well, maybe just time to nip in before we are priced out after this summer.

[Donegal Hibby]

It would be great to get a settled squad for awhile , it's one thing the other lot have an advantage on us for awhile now in they just need a few tweaks here and there . We seem to be continually needing a massive rebuild most seasons which isn't helping our cause either.

[JohnM1875]

I wonder if we will try get some lorient players especially if they go down. Could imagine a few won't want to play in second division. Need to take a significant wage cut though.

Genuinely had no idea they had the ex Man City player who was in jail accused of rape (then found not guilty) Benjamin Mendy. They must be paying some wages. Ex Chelsea and Milan player, Bakayoko as well.

[Forza Fred]

Sure someone suggested he wasn’t even ready for the A-League, never mind a move.

And I stand by that.

Musa Toure hasn’t started a game in the A League.

There are an increasing number of youngsters leaving the A League and going to Europe too early, only to be sent back on loan a season later.

If he goes to France good luck to him, but I have always thought he was not someone who I would recommend for Hibs to sign.

[bingo70]

Genuinely had no idea they had the ex Man City player who was in jail accused of rape (then found not guilty) Benjamin Mendy. They must be paying some wages. Ex Chelsea and Milan player, Bakayoko as well.

Ironically enough, one of Mendy’s team mates at Lorient is called Bonke Innocent.

Nowhere near enough is made of that imo.

[04Sauzee]

And I stand by that.

Musa Toure hasn’t started a game in the A League.

There are an increasing number of youngsters leaving the A League and going to Europe too early, only to be sent back on loan a season later.

If he goes to France good luck to him, but I have always thought he was not someone who I would recommend for Hibs to sign.

What happened to the guy who signed for Newcastle and went to Hearts on loan. Capped at a young age for Australia and was highly thought off. Can't remember his name.

[easty]

What happened to the guy who signed for Newcastle and went to Hearts on loan. Capped at a young age for Australia and was highly thought off. Can't remember his name.

Garang Kuol. He's on loan at Volendam in Holland. He's only made 3 sub appearances of about 10 mins each since the start of the year.

[04Sauzee]

Garang Kuol. He's on loan at Volendam in Holland. He's only made 3 sub appearances of about 10 mins each since the start of the year.

And he looked a great prospect, still young so still time

[Donegal Hibby]

Mayenda was a strange signing , we haven't seen much of him since he joined . Was reading this and didn't realise Sunderland signed him on a 5 year deal paying a million plus add ons . That's if the article is correct . Probably one I doubt we will try and get back . I would take Triantis though.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sunderland-january-striker-eliezer-mayenda-call-is-yet-to-pay-off-view/

[Unseen work]

Mayenda was a strange signing , we haven't seen much of him since he joined . Was reading this and didn't realise Sunderland signed him on a 5 year deal paying a million plus add ons . That's if the article is correct . Probably one I doubt we will try and get back . I would take Triantis though.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sunderland-january-striker-eliezer-mayenda-call-is-yet-to-pay-off-view/

It was a weird signing overall.

Selling Doidge and his replacement is a young player who plays off the wing or striker, not an out and out striker or a 9.

The second part of it that was weird imo is that he’s actually looked decent when he’s played, so I don’t know why he’s not been given more of a chance. Especially when you consider Jair etc coming on in his place.

[EGL2000]

Mayenda was a strange signing , we haven't seen much of him since he joined . Was reading this and didn't realise Sunderland signed him on a 5 year deal paying a million plus add ons . That's if the article is correct . Probably one I doubt we will try and get back . I would take Triantis though.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sunderland-january-striker-eliezer-mayenda-call-is-yet-to-pay-off-view/

Surely we should be aiming for much better than Triantis been brutal at CB and has one decent game in midfield (which was against livi).

[SaulGoodman]

Goalkeeper, LB, RB, 3xCB, 5x Midfielders, 2x ST

And a new manager please Santa.

[ancient hibee]

Genuinely think Armstrongs probably out of our range.I would imagine kille would look for around 2 mil, which I think is a fair price. Lyall Cameron is probably going that way as well, maybe just time to nip in before we are priced out after this summer.

I’d be amazed of anyone would pay a couple of million for Armstrong.

[Unseen work]

I’d be amazed of anyone would pay a couple of million for Armstrong.

I don’t think they would.

But I think that’s what he’s worth to killie so doubt they’ll sell him unless they get it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Surely we should be aiming for much better than Triantis been brutal at CB and has one decent game in midfield (which was against livi).

Don't think he's a bad player tbh , more suited to the DM role and while he's not had the best of times playing at CB I did think he was unfortunate on a couple of occasions playing there .

He's young , versatile and I think will get better , Sunderland paid something like 300,000 for him so I don't think we'd have to break the bank to get him if they were willing to let him go , other than that i wouldn't be against another loan deal . Think he'd be a handy player to have.

[Hibernian Verse]

Don't think he's a bad player tbh , more suited to the DM role and while he's not had the best of times playing at CB I did think he was unfortunate on a couple of occasions playing there .

He's young , versatile and I think will get better , Sunderland paid something like 300,000 for him so I don't think we'd have to break the bank to get him if they were willing to let him go , other than that i wouldn't be against another loan deal . Think he'd be a handy player to have.

I like Triantis at DM as well. Think he could be a good player for us if we kept a hold of him.

[BILLYHIBS]

Rod Stewart bigging up Luke McCowan for Smeltic over on X

[JohnM1875]

I like Triantis at DM as well. Think he could be a good player for us if we kept a hold of him.

Triantis is fine as a DM, wouldn't be against him staying again for next season. Think he's more mobile than what we have. Triantis (DM), NMW (box to box) and a new forward thinking player is a good enough midfield. Newell to come in and cover where he can. Still need another as well as a new attacking midfielder. Huge huge rebuild needed this summer.

[chippy]

Mayenda was a strange signing , we haven't seen much of him since he joined . Was reading this and didn't realise Sunderland signed him on a 5 year deal paying a million plus add ons . That's if the article is correct . Probably one I doubt we will try and get back . I would take Triantis though.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sunderland-january-striker-eliezer-mayenda-call-is-yet-to-pay-off-view/

Id defo take Traintis fir the Matty Jack role

[chippy]

Triantis is fine as a DM, wouldn't be against him staying again for next season. Think he's more mobile than what we have. Triantis (DM), NMW (box to box) and a new forward thinking player is a good enough midfield. Newell to come in and cover where he can. Still need another as well as a new attacking midfielder. Huge huge rebuild needed this summer.

Luke McCowan as box to boxer. More mobile than Joe and scores

[JoeT]

Is Scott McKenna beyond our means? Out of contract in summer

[Tyler Durden]

Mayenda was a strange signing , we haven't seen much of him since he joined . Was reading this and didn't realise Sunderland signed him on a 5 year deal paying a million plus add ons . That's if the article is correct . Probably one I doubt we will try and get back . I would take Triantis though.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sunderland-january-striker-eliezer-mayenda-call-is-yet-to-pay-off-view/

Another player that Monty has mismanaged. There's been multiple opportunities to give the lad a chance off the bench. The Livi game in particular.

Jair coming on every week instead - absolutely bizarre like most of Monty's subs.

[Tyler Durden]

Is Scott McKenna beyond our means? Out of contract in summer

Miles beyond our means.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Macaulay langstaff seems to have scored a shedload this season. 69 goals in 89 games he's played

[FastEddieFelson]

Another player that Monty has mismanaged. There's been multiple opportunities to give the lad a chance off the bench. The Livi game in particular.

Jair coming on every week instead - absolutely bizarre like most of Monty's subs.

He came off the bench against Livingston

[Stuart93]

I sent this to my mates the other day. Probably simplistic as **** but feel this is where we find most success

I want us to sign good quality players who are:

1. Up there with the best at their respective spfl premiership/championship team

2. Went down south/elsewhere and lost their way a bit

3. Young Scottish and hungry

[Tyler Durden]

He came off the bench against Livingston

Right but he got 12 mins compared to Jair getting 34.

[Donegal Hibby]

Another player that Monty has mismanaged. There's been multiple opportunities to give the lad a chance off the bench. The Livi game in particular.

Jair coming on every week instead - absolutely bizarre like most of Monty's subs.

Not sure if he has been mismanaged by Monty or not , maybe there's more to it that we don't see or know ? .

On the Jair situation the last manager didn't play him and got called out for it yet Monty has been giving him a chance and now he's getting called out for it too ! .

Who'd be a manager , right? 😆

[Forza Fred]

And he looked a great prospect, still young so still time

Garang Kuol still needs to be nursed along……incidentally it was Monty who coached him along his journey until he went to Newcastle.

He is though, an example of players leaving the A League too early inho….although in Kuol’s case he undoubtedly chose to go on loan to the wrong club initially for the wrong reasons….if he had chosen Hibs (who also tried to get him) instead of Hearts it could well have worked out differently at the time.

His brother Alou is a similar story……..he too was signed by a German club….Stuggart I think….. from Mariners only to be sent back a year later and Is now playing at Gosford….and it’s a similar story with Rees who is also at Mariners.

Marco Tilio who went to Celtic is back on loan with Melbourne City after playing 28 minutes for Celtic…..27 of them against Hibs btw.

In my opinion his signing by Celtic for a couple of million dollars was a bad one from the word go….again it’s only my opinion, but I didn’t consider him a likely success in Europe anywhere.

From time to time I will suggest players from the A League who I think are good or could be good enough to play for Hibs, but that doesn’t mean that every’up and coming’ youngster falls into that category.

Those that come to Europe and fail…..well that’s not somehow the fault of the A League……it’s the fault mainly of the scouts who obviously got it wrong when evaluating them and brought them over….

[Forza Fred]

Not sure if he has been mismanaged by Monty or not , maybe there's more to it that we don't see or know ? .

On the Jair situation the last manager didn't play him and got called out for it yet Monty has been giving him a chance and now he's getting called out for it too ! .

Who'd be a manager , right? 😆

Exactly!

Read a Sunderland based article on Mayenda the other day which basically said that they didn’t think it was a surprise he wasn’t getting game time at Hibs given his inability to impress at Sunderland…..and hinting that his Sunderland future was very shooglie.

As you touch on,, I guess the manager sees the players in training every day and no doubt forms an opinion on them which leads to them being selected or not selected.

We don’t get to see that.

Not many managers are going to playa player THEY consider a duffer, just so the punters can form an opinion on him.

Not suggesting that IS the reason we haven’t seen much of Myenda, but it’s not a far fetched one I think.

[Forza Fred]

I sent this to my mates the other day. Probably simplistic as **** but feel this is where we find most success

I want us to sign good quality players who are:

1. Up there with the best at their respective spfl premiership/championship team

2. Went down south/elsewhere and lost their way a bit

3. Young Scottish and hungry

I want us to sign quality players.

[Tyler Durden]

Not sure if he has been mismanaged by Monty or not , maybe there's more to it that we don't see or know ? .

On the Jair situation the last manager didn't play him and got called out for it yet Monty has been giving him a chance and now he's getting called out for it too ! .

Who'd be a manager , right? 😆

That's all far too sensible! I must admit.....I'm still in the frame of mind where Monty deserves slated for anything and he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. So yeah I'm inclined to be harsh.

I do think his use of subs has been a massive issue for him all season and has contributed to us missing out on top 6. Not that Mayenda was the missing link though.

[Since452]

Exactly!

Read a Sunderland based article on Mayenda the other day which basically said that they didn’t think it was a surprise he wasn’t getting game time at Hibs given his inability to impress at Sunderland…..and hinting that his Sunderland future was very shooglie.

As you touch on,, I guess the manager sees the players in training every day and no doubt forms an opinion on them which leads to them being selected or not selected.

We don’t get to see that.

Not many managers are going to playa player THEY consider a duffer, just so the punters can form an opinion on him.

Not suggesting that IS the reason we haven’t seen much of Myenda, but it’s not a far fetched one I think.

You might be right there but it begs the question, if that's the case, why the hell we signed him in the first place? Signing players who are crap and then not playing them because of it looks very bad on the recruitment team.

[Vault Boy]

I think Stuart McKinstry is out of contract in the summer. I wonder if he’s one we’re monitoring, though I’ve no idea now he’s getting on at QP.

[B.H.F.C]

That's all far too sensible! I must admit.....I'm still in the frame of mind where Monty deserves slated for anything and he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. So yeah I'm inclined to be harsh.

I do think his use of subs has been a massive issue for him all season and has contributed to us missing out on top 6. Not that Mayenda was the missing link though.

Subs have been his biggest failing for me. Dreadful.

On Mayenda it was one of those signings we make all the time. A young player that you then hardly see. Was totally predictable how it would go with him.

[04Sauzee]

I think Stuart McKinstry is out of contract in the summer. I wonder if he’s one we’re monitoring, though I’ve no idea now he’s getting on at QP.

Not sure if he's had injuries or not bat looks like he's had 806 minutes this season across all competitions.

[matty_f]

I don't know what the appetite at the club is to do this, but I genuinely wouldn't object to a fair bit of budget going towards moving on as many players as we can from the squad to clear the way for a proper rebuild.

I think I saw an article that said we had 18 players out on loan at the moment, that to me seems excessive for a club of our size. We have too many first team players that haven't shown enough this season to think that they'll take us up the league next season, so I would love us to be ruthless and work out ways to move them on.

[bingo70]

https://x.com/dufcway/status/1783643895118598281?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Montgomery and Sergio at Tannadice at the weekend. Wonder if that was to watch anybody in particular.

[matty_f]

https://x.com/dufcway/status/1783643895118598281?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Montgomery and Sergio at Tannadice at the weekend. Wonder if that was to watch anybody in particular.

Dundee United, probably.

[04Sauzee]

https://x.com/dufcway/status/1783643895118598281?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg
Edit... I probably should have looked at the picture in the link first 😐👀
Montgomery and Sergio at Tannadice at the weekend. Wonder if that was to watch anybody in particular.
If it was a Utd player and going by the starting 11 it could possibly be the GK Walton , CB Graham or Fotheringham
https://i.ibb.co/qdRwpCL/Screenshot-20240426-104232.png (https://ibb.co/qdRwpCL)

[Unseen work]

https://x.com/dufcway/status/1783643895118598281?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Montgomery and Sergio at Tannadice at the weekend. Wonder if that was to watch anybody in particular.

Jack Walton - 26 year old keeper on loan from Luton

Ross Graham - 23 year old left sided centre half, out of contract in summer

Kai Fotheringham - 21 year old forward, 11 league goals

Louis Moult - 17 league goals, better than 1 every 2 games.

[eastmainsmsh]

https://x.com/dufcway/status/1783643895118598281?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Montgomery and Sergio at Tannadice at the weekend. Wonder if that was to watch anybody in particular.

Wotherspoon ?

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Wotherspoon ?

Cheap pints I suppose.

[eastmainsmsh]

Cheap pints I suppose.

lol

[Chorley Hibee]

Subs have been his biggest failing for me. Dreadful.

On Mayenda it was one of those signings we make all the time. A young player that you then hardly see. Was totally predictable how it would go with him.

A complete waste of everyone's time.

We would have been better sticking one of our own youngsters on the bench.

As you say, all too predictable.

[Centre Hawf]

My read on it was that Mayenda was only here to replace McKirdy for 6 months as probably a back up option we had no obligation in playing.

Probably all part of a grander plan to get McKirdy out the club in the summer to be honest.

[theonlywayisup]

Subs have been his biggest failing for me. Dreadful.



For longer than Monty has been at Hibs, we seem to get worse after each substitution. There's not been many times this season that I can recall a sub coming on, especially when we're losing, and changing the flow of the game in our favour.

[Forza Fred]

You might be right there but it begs the question, if that's the case, why the hell we signed him in the first place? Signing players who are crap and then not playing them because of it looks very bad on the recruitment team.

Could have been conditional on getting Triantis on loan….Sunderland wanted him out on loan and when approached could have said “ok you can have Triantis if you take Myenda too’

Who knows.

[Del Boy]

If it was a Utd player and going by the starting 11 it could possibly be the GK Walton , CB Graham or Fotheringham
https://i.ibb.co/qdRwpCL/Screenshot-20240426-104232.png (https://ibb.co/qdRwpCL)

Been told it was Ross Graham

[Dazzjw1875]

https://x.com/dufcway/status/1783643895118598281?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Montgomery and Sergio at Tannadice at the weekend. Wonder if that was to watch anybody in particular.

You know that pic is fake? Not sure why someone would make it up but 100% fake just look at his and Sergio heads.

[Itsnoteasy]

Dundee United, probably.

Maybe Ayr Utd

[bingo70]

You know that pic is fake? Not sure why someone would make it up but 100% fake just look at his and Sergio heads.

Surely no.

What’s wrong with their heads? The other people in the photo are funny looking too but I just assumed they were from Dundee

[CapitalGreen]

You know that pic is fake? Not sure why someone would make it up but 100% fake just look at his and Sergio heads.

Somebody better let the photographer know his photo is 100% fake.

https://snsgroupportal.co.uk/fotoweb/albums/ZiOqZ6ykog-41-hC/662a7760aca4a20fb8d7f3b9

[Centre Hawf]

You know that pic is fake? Not sure why someone would make it up but 100% fake just look at his and Sergio heads.

It's not. It's just very weirdly edited.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/presenter-lorraine-kelly-watches-on-from-the-stands-during-news-photo/2149557281?adppopup=true

[Heisenberg]

Been told it was Ross Graham

A left sided central defender? I never thought I’d see the day.

[JohnM1875]

A left sided central defender? I never thought I’d see the day.

Just go out and get Jason Kerr. Really hope we're at least making an enquiry.

[Ronniekirk]

McKirdy back at hibs this week and is injured Scored one goal for Swindon on loan
it’s hard to see us managing to move him on in the summer apart from another loan move

[Tyler Durden]

Just go out and get Jason Kerr. Really hope we're at least making an enquiry.

We probably need 3 CBs.

Graham looked a promising young player but then seemed to lose his way. If we were interested in him, it would be a cheap punt to hope that he develops into something. Presumably though we'd need to pay a development fee. Can't see him being someone we're interested in tbh.

If we could get Kerr at the levels he was previously in Scotland, he'd be a no brainer.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

You know that pic is fake? Not sure why someone would make it up but 100% fake just look at his and Sergio heads.

What about Lorraine's? Looks a bit sketchy too

[MWHIBBIES]

Somebody better let the photographer know his photo is 100% fake.

https://snsgroupportal.co.uk/fotoweb/albums/ZiOqZ6ykog-41-hC/662a7760aca4a20fb8d7f3b9

:faf:

[Dazzjw1875]

Somebody better let the photographer know his photo is 100% fake.

https://snsgroupportal.co.uk/fotoweb/albums/ZiOqZ6ykog-41-hC/662a7760aca4a20fb8d7f3b9

Well I absoloutly take it back, looking at the pic on twitter it looked like the heads were imposed on another body haha.

[Unseen work]

Been told it was Ross Graham

Decent source?

Graham is a bit of a weird one.

Came through a couple of years ago and everyone was raving about him and then he completely vanished.

Even this season don’t think he’s played a huge amount but has started the last 4 or 5 games and got alot of praise.

Not sure he’d be much of an improvement, if any, on what we’ve got. The only thing in his favour is he’s left footed.

[JimBHibees]

Surely no.

What’s wrong with their heads? The other people in the photo are funny looking too but I just assumed they were from Dundee

What about Lorraine Kelly’s head? 😄

Ross Graham should be getting looked at. Bit raw but big aggressive left central defender

[ruthven_raiders]

Surely no.

What’s wrong with their heads? The other people in the photo are funny looking too but I just assumed they were from Dundee

Yup all heads look like they could have been photoshopped in, I can't tell...lmao

[BILLYHIBS]

Is Luke McCowan Dundee a possibility guys ?

Haven’t seen much of him but the short limited clips I have seen on Sportscene he looks as though he might be useful if within our budget?

[Brightside]

Just go out and get Jason Kerr. Really hope we're at least making an enquiry.

Jason isn't a leftie.

[Brightside]

Is Luke McCowan Dundee a possibility guys ?

Haven’t seen much of him but the short limited clips I have seen on Sportscene he looks as though he might be useful if within our budget?

Yes

[JohnM1875]

Is Luke McCowan Dundee a possibility guys ?

Haven’t seen much of him but the short limited clips I have seen on Sportscene he looks as though he might be useful if within our budget?

Undoubtedly had a good season so loads of folk are talking about him, my worry is it's a bit like Mark O'Hara at St Mirren last year and it's just a really good season.

Can't really remember, but was McCowan a standout the season Dundee got relegated?

He has been brilliant this year though and it's probably now you want to sign him as he's likely to make a move somewhere.

[Brightside]

Decent source?

Graham is a bit of a weird one.

Came through a couple of years ago and everyone was raving about him and then he completely vanished.

Even this season don’t think he’s played a huge amount but has started the last 4 or 5 games and got alot of praise.

Not sure he’d be much of an improvement, if any, on what we’ve got. The only thing in his favour is he’s left footed.

Think he has had about 24 games this season. Utd have 4 capable CBs. Goodwin does swap them about. Might be worth watching him tonight.

[Donegal Hibby]

That's all far too sensible! I must admit.....I'm still in the frame of mind where Monty deserves slated for anything and he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. So yeah I'm inclined to be harsh.

I do think his use of subs has been a massive issue for him all season and has contributed to us missing out on top 6. Not that Mayenda was the missing link though.

In the order of fairness I do think at times he's got the subs wrong , the Ross county game springs to mind when we were leading 2-0 at ER were the changes cost us as one example.

Though there's been other times when watching games when I thought it's about time the manager changed things only to see what's on the bench like the 1-0 defeat to St Johnstone when our bench was , Doidge , Hanlon, Wollacott, Stevenson , Molotnikov , Whittaker, landers , or the hertz 1-1 game were we had Whittaker, Molotnikov,Delferriere, Stevenson , Harbottle, Rocky, Campbell, Doidge .

Apart from possibly Doidge in the first one and him and Campbell in the 2nd there's not too many options Monty's had in some games either to change it for the better . Imo it was the same alot of the time last year too.

The Mayenda one is strange though as I said maybe there's something else going on there as in training , not settling in ? , who knows . Must have something about him though when Sunderland spent a million and give him a 5 year deal though .

I fully understand why fans would be harsh on the manager as it's simply just not been good enough by far this season though it's been a struggle for the last few years now which is why I'm probably in a minority that would like to see the current manager gets the summer to have a clear out and recruit who he wants .

Will it work out? , I honestly don't know but I think a new manager would be just as big a gamble and he'd probably have to do what this ones going to have to do now anyhow though probably Monty is in a better position than a new guy would be at this stage .

Interesting article here with ex Hibs player McNamara views on Monty .

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-legend-montys-future-manager-fan-frustration-4604348

[JohnM1875]

Jason isn't a leftie.

Graham LCB and Kerr RCB. Sorted, well after we sign another, sorted.

[PHeffernan]

We probably need 3 CBs.

Graham looked a promising young player but then seemed to lose his way. If we were interested in him, it would be a cheap punt to hope that he develops into something. Presumably though we'd need to pay a development fee. Can't see him being someone we're interested in tbh.

If we could get Kerr at the levels he was previously in Scotland, he'd be a no brainer.

Development fees are usually about £400k and we already have centre halves Bushiri, Harbottle, McClelland and Blaney are contracted for next season with Bevan likely to arrive on loan from Bournemouth. Another young development centre half in Graham is not what we need unless others move on although as we know we hate a ''bargain''.

[JohnM1875]

Development fees are usually about £400k and we already have centre halves Bushiri, Harbottle, McClelland and Blaney contracted for next season with Bevan likely to arrive on loan from Bournemouth. Another young development player in Graham is not what we need unless others move on.

Would we need to pay a development fee for Graham? He's 23 and out of contract this summer I'm sure.

[Unseen work]

Undoubtedly had a good season so loads of folk are talking about him, my worry is it's a bit like Mark O'Hara at St Mirren last year and it's just a really good season.

Can't really remember, but was McCowan a standout the season Dundee got relegated?

He has been brilliant this year though and it's probably now you want to sign him as he's likely to make a move somewhere.

Think mccowan has always been a really good player, going back to his days at Ayr.

Think with Dundee last season he was more used off the right hand side, where as this season he’s excelled through the middle

[Unseen work]

Think he has had about 24 games this season. Utd have 4 capable CBs. Goodwin does swap them about. Might be worth watching him tonight.

Fair enough, tbf I only looked at league appearances which was 16 👍🏻

[PHeffernan]

Would we need to pay a development fee for Graham? He's 23 and out of contract this summer I'm sure.

You've got me there, I was following the previous posters comment and hadn't considered he or she could be wrong :rolleyes:

The rule is that ''compensation shall be payable to the former club of a player only where the player
concerned is registered with his new club at or before the end of the first season in
which the player concerned reaches, will reach or shall have reached the age of 23''

I think the word at means compensation is due if we registered him in the summer but it's not the easiest to work out the cut off point from the text

[bingo70]

Think he has had about 24 games this season. Utd have 4 capable CBs. Goodwin does swap them about. Might be worth watching him tonight.

My Dundee Utd supporting mate isn’t a fan.

Said he looked good when he broke through but has only played as cover this season due to having a lot of injuries. If everyone was fit, he wouldn’t be starting.

[Tyler Durden]

Development fees are usually about £400k and we already have centre halves Bushiri, Harbottle, McClelland and Blaney are contracted for next season with Bevan likely to arrive on loan from Bournemouth. Another young development centre half in Graham is not what we need unless others move on although as we know we hate a ''bargain''.

The points I was trying to make….

* Graham ain’t that good, so hopefully we’d only want him as a squad option
* if we have to pay a development fee, it’s therefore not worth the risk
* we need 3 CBs. Two starters and one more to compete with Rocky as back ups. Anything else and we’re setting up for failure again.

Personally I think McClelland and Harbottle will be away on loan or hopefully perm. I don’t see any guarantee that Bevan will be back either.

[Del Boy]

Decent source?

Graham is a bit of a weird one.

Came through a couple of years ago and everyone was raving about him and then he completely vanished.

Even this season don’t think he’s played a huge amount but has started the last 4 or 5 games and got alot of praise.

Not sure he’d be much of an improvement, if any, on what we’ve got. The only thing in his favour is he’s left footed.

Yeah very good source, but from Utd. He’s a United fan and imagine he’ll be offered a new deal there but Hibs are interested.

[chippy]

Jason isn't a leftie.

We need at least 2 CBs

[Donegal Hibby]

Development fees are usually about £400k and we already have centre halves Bushiri, Harbottle, McClelland and Blaney are contracted for next season with Bevan likely to arrive on loan from Bournemouth. Another young development centre half in Graham is not what we need unless others move on although as we know we hate a ''bargain''.

Don't know much about Graham though anytime I watched Utd nobody stood out . If we were after him though i wonder would there be a chance of a swap deal instead of paying a development fee .

Think Harbottle and McClelland will almost certainly be away.

[Billy Whizz]

Don't know much about Graham though anytime I watched Utd nobody stood out . If we were after him though i wonder would there be a chance of a swap deal instead of paying a development fee .

Think Harbottle and McClelland will almost certainly be away.

Starts tonight for United at Airdrie
I’ll keep an eye on him

[Basildon Hibs]

Forget about who we want in, it's also about who we can get rid of !!

[bingo70]

Don't know much about Graham though anytime I watched Utd nobody stood out . If we were after him though i wonder would there be a chance of a swap deal instead of paying a development fee .

Think Harbottle and McClelland will almost certainly be away.

Apparently the Utd goalkeeper been excellent for them and only on loan. Would seem a more likely option than Gordon?

[Brightside]

We need at least 2 CBs

3 for me. I’d ship all out but keep Rocky as a back up.

[JohnM1875]

3 for me. I’d ship all out but keep Rocky as a back up.

Same, forgot all about Bevan, so if the chat is true and he does ‘come back’ I think we need two others who’ll be considered starters.

[PHeffernan]

The points I was trying to make….

* Graham ain’t that good, so hopefully we’d only want him as a squad option
* if we have to pay a development fee, it’s therefore not worth the risk
* we need 3 CBs. Two starters and one more to compete with Rocky as back ups. Anything else and we’re setting up for failure again.

Personally I think McClelland and Harbottle will be away on loan or hopefully perm. I don’t see any guarantee that Bevan will be back either.

I'm told that McClelland has played well on loan after a sticky start. He is 22 so could be shaping up. I'm sure the club have had someone watching him and if he shows up well in pre-season he could be 4th choice.
Harbottle is a strange one with little progress made in the season. Not sure if we paid a fee for him or if there was a sell on clause and don't know what sort of wage he is on. Can't be spending all our budget paying a load of players to leave. McKirdy is at the front of that queue.

[Donegal Hibby]

Apparently the Utd goalkeeper been excellent for them and only on loan. Would seem a more likely option than Gordon?

You might be onto something . MotM tonight 👍

[JohnM1875]

Apparently the Utd goalkeeper been excellent for them and only on loan. Would seem a more likely option than Gordon?

I like the sound of that much more.

[HendoDelivered]

Apparently the Utd goalkeeper been excellent for them and only on loan. Would seem a more likely option than Gordon?

Walton is the player I heard they were watching. Time will tell I guess!

[eastmainsmsh]

Are Paul Hanlon and Lewis Stevenson joining Raith ?

[Brightside]

Are Paul Hanlon and Lewis Stevenson joining Raith ?

Strong chance Lewis will go there. Paul had options at Dundee and Killie.

[Crab apple]

Is Luke McCowan Dundee a possibility guys ?

Haven’t seen much of him but the short limited clips I have seen on Sportscene he looks as though he might be useful if within our budget?

I can’t say I know much about him but nine goals this season is a decent return for a midfielder. When is he out of contract?

[Lago]

Saw nothing tonight from the Dundee Utd v Airdrie game that makes think any Dundee Utd player is worth a punt.

[bingo70]

Saw nothing tonight from the Dundee Utd v Airdrie game that makes think any Dundee Utd player is worth a punt.

Even the Dundee Utd goalie?

I didn’t watch it but heard he made 3 or 4 really decent saves.

[Lago]

Even the Dundee Utd goalie?

I didn’t watch it but heard he made 3 or 4 really decent saves.
Perhaps, but on the basis of one game not sure.

[Brightside]

Saw nothing tonight from the Dundee Utd v Airdrie game that makes think any Dundee Utd player is worth a punt.

2 teams working at 50%. Not a game to take anything from for any player.

[IberianHibernian]

Forget about who we want in, it's also about who we can get rid of !!Definitely . Get rid of in some cases if contractually possible but also time to see if on loan players could still make an impact before signing others . Apart from young loanees , are we going to sign better players than Henderson , Boruc , Harbottle , to name 3 who seem to have done well on loan ? Lots more on loan , each one with different circumstances and ages . Whether NM continues or new manager comes in next season , manager has to make the most of some of the players we already have even if they haven`t played much for us . Some will say , talented loanees from Bournemouth or other teams in Foley group will change things and they may be right . Each of us will have opinions on whether that`s the direction we want to go in but if we want to attract good players and managers in the short and long term we`ll have to have some kind of clear plan that is not limited to throwing money at short term problems and relying on other clubs .

[BILLYHIBS]

I can’t say I know much about him but nine goals this season is a decent return for a midfielder. When is he out of contract?
31/5/2025

[500miles]

Strong chance Lewis will go there. Paul had options at Dundee and Killie.

But he's finished, why are clubs above us in the league with managers our fans want trying to sign Paul?

[Alex Trager]

Mitov should be firmly on that list.

Looks a very decent keeper.

[bingo70]

Mitov should be firmly on that list.

Looks a very decent keeper.

Yeah, I think he’s excellent whenever I’ve seen him.

Another good reason for St Johnstone to go down.

[Heisenberg]

Mitov should be firmly on that list.

Looks a very decent keeper.

He’s been brilliant against us the last two games. I’ve seen it mentioned a couple of times in different places that we’ve already got a keeper signed for next season so would guess a pre contract has been sorted, which would rule him out if it’s true.

[CapitalGreen]

But he's finished, why are clubs above us in the league with managers our fans want trying to sign Paul?

St Mirren are above us and signed James Scott.

[04Sauzee]

He’s been brilliant against us the last two games. I’ve seen it mentioned a couple of times in different places that we’ve already got a keeper signed for next season so would guess a pre contract has been sorted, which would rule him out if it’s true.
Mitov has been capped for Bulgaria whilst with St Johnstone. He's got a year left on his contract. He may have a relegation clause? I think he will have a few clubs looking at him and reckon he will demand a decent salary. Agreed he looks very good and wouldn't mind seeing him at Easter Road.

[MWHIBBIES]

St Mirren are above us and signed James Scott.

True. Now thats an awful footballer.

[Forza Fred]

Definitely . Get rid of in some cases if contractually possible but also time to see if on loan players could still make an impact before signing others . Apart from young loanees , are we going to sign better players than Henderson , Boruc , Harbottle , to name 3 who seem to have done well on loan ? Lots more on loan , each one with different circumstances and ages . Whether NM continues or new manager comes in next season , manager has to make the most of some of the players we already have even if they haven`t played much for us . Some will say , talented loanees from Bournemouth or other teams in Foley group will change things and they may be right . Each of us will have opinions on whether that`s the direction we want to go in but if we want to attract good players and managers in the short and long term we`ll have to have some kind of clear plan that is not limited to throwing money at short term problems and relying on other clubs .

Not sure what yardstick you are using to consider Henderson, Boruc and Harbottle done well on loan?

Dunno too much about Henderson other than his club are a bit of a basket case, but Boruc only plays sporadically in goals for Arbroath …who have conceded more goals than any other Scottish club other than financially beleaguered Edinburgh City……and Harbottle can’t get a regular start for the team that only just missed out on being relegated out of the Football League.

Not too much of a recommendation I reckon!

[Unseen work]

Mitov for me is a really good keeper in the league, even when St Johnston signed him his previous teams fans were gutted and he seems to have played well for years.

The one thing though is how good is he with the ball at his feet? I genuinely don’t know

I think being good with there feet will be high on Monty’s list and really hope we don’t forget about them being able to save a shot or claim a cross

Never heard rumours of us already having signed a keeper, but I just always assumed we’d sign Will Dennis this summer with the Bournemouth connection.

Some stats on Dennis

https://x.com/kfcview/status/1784300425551786234?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

[PHeffernan]

Not sure what yardstick you are using to consider Henderson, Boruc and Harbottle done well on loan?

Dunno too much about Henderson other than his club are a bit of a basket case, but Boruc only plays sporadically in goals for Arbroath …who have conceded more goals than any other Scottish club other than financially beleaguered Edinburgh City……and Harbottle can’t get a regular start for the team that only just missed out on being relegated out of the Football League.

Not too much of a recommendation I reckon!

I've watched highlights of all Oostende games this season and Henderson has been very good.
Has always played when available, has played well and scored goals.

Harbottle was playing then disappeared completely which I am presuming was an injury issue.

I looked at Pie & Bovril and Arbroath fans were praising Boruc. He's certainly had plenty of practice in an ill equipped team who at one point in January only had 13 fit players including two keepers and 5 strikers.

[HendoDelivered]

He’s been brilliant against us the last two games. I’ve seen it mentioned a couple of times in different places that we’ve already got a keeper signed for next season so would guess a pre contract has been sorted, which would rule him out if it’s true.

Walton of Dundee Utd/Luton?

[J-C]

Not sure what yardstick you are using to consider Henderson, Boruc and Harbottle done well on loan?

Dunno too much about Henderson other than his club are a bit of a basket case, but Boruc only plays sporadically in goals for Arbroath …who have conceded more goals than any other Scottish club other than financially beleaguered Edinburgh City……and Harbottle can’t get a regular start for the team that only just missed out on being relegated out of the Football League.

Not too much of a recommendation I reckon!

He's played 10 out of 14 games since he went on loan in January, hardly sporadic.

[Brightside]

Apart from the young home grown kids I wouldnt be keeping any of the current loaned out players. Time to clean the slate.

[badabing67]

Mitov for me is a really good keeper in the league, even when St Johnston signed him his previous teams fans were gutted and he seems to have played well for years.

The one thing though is how good is he with the ball at his feet? I genuinely don’t know

I think being good with there feet will be high on Monty’s list and really hope we don’t forget about them being able to save a shot or claim a cross

Never heard rumours of us already having signed a keeper, but I just always assumed we’d sign Will Dennis this summer with the Bournemouth connection.

Some stats on Dennis

https://x.com/kfcview/status/1784300425551786234?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw


I thought Benjamin Siegrist was excellent at Dundee Utd, no idea why he would be behind Scott Bain in the pecking order at Celtic. he is 32 but surely he cannot be happy with his lot at Celtic. Surely worth an enquiring about.

[04Sauzee]

Mitov for me is a really good keeper in the league, even when St Johnston signed him his previous teams fans were gutted and he seems to have played well for years.

The one thing though is how good is he with the ball at his feet? I genuinely don’t know

I think being good with there feet will be high on Monty’s list and really hope we don’t forget about them being able to save a shot or claim a cross

Never heard rumours of us already having signed a keeper, but I just always assumed we’d sign Will Dennis this summer with the Bournemouth connection.

Some stats on Dennis

https://x.com/kfcview/status/1784300425551786234?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Seems like decent stats but without knowing how they stack up against others in the league.
And it's all about expected saves etc now isn't it? Would be good to see some real stats across all goalkeepers in the league.

Edit some stats here...
https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/keepers/Scottish-Premiership-Stats

[WeeRussell]

Apart from the young home grown kids I wouldnt be keeping any of the current loaned out players. Type to clean the slate.

Surely quality/potential should come before how long they’ve lived in the area?

[Brightside]

Surely quality/potential should come before how long they’ve lived in the area?

Yeh. The young lads still have time. For me none of the older ones on loan give us anything to improve us. Nothing to do were they are from. They just aren’t very good and we’ve spent a lot of budget on B squad players than aren’t even close to being first team players.

[Eyrie]

Yeh. The young lads still have time. For me none of the older ones on loan give us anything to improve us. Nothing to do were they are from. They just aren’t very good and we’ve spent a lot of budget on B squad players than aren’t even close to being first team players.

That was predicted at the time the vanity project was announced. It's fine to pick up a couple of such players each season and see what happens, but having an entire squad of them was always going to mean that most, if not all, wouldn't make it at Hibs and would only be a drain on our limited resources.

[JimBHibees]

That was predicted at the time the vanity project was announced. It's fine to pick up a couple of such players each season and see what happens, but having an entire squad of them was always going to mean that most, if not all, wouldn't make it at Hibs and would only be a drain on our limited resources.

Yes undoubtedly an unmitigated disaster that approach. Seemed like the initial thought there would be loads of games however never looked like that happened and how little impact on the first team these guys had kind of says it all. Also some ludicrous long contracts given to players not due them like JDH and Delferriere.

[Forza Fred]

He's played 10 out of 14 games since he went on loan in January, hardly sporadic.

He’ll have sore back from picking up all the balls from the back of the net then.

[flash]

That was predicted at the time the vanity project was announced. It's fine to pick up a couple of such players each season and see what happens, but having an entire squad of them was always going to mean that most, if not all, wouldn't make it at Hibs and would only be a drain on our limited resources.

Have seen the term "vanity project" used a few times now to describe our signing policy.

This suggests an individual or individuals were deliberately pursuing some sort of policy to make themselves look good to the detriment of the club.

Is this really what some people think and not that it was a well intentioned if badly thought out idea?

[chippy]

I'd like to think we are targeting a goalkeeper with more experience.
Someone like Mitov at St J must be under consideration. He wouldn't cost that much with a year on his deal and, at 27, could be our number one for a long time to come.
Again at centre-half, we need a couple of guys of who are more seasoned to give us a solid platform.

Personally I’d give Murray Johnson the next 2-4 games. I’d give him the 4 if Wallacot is going. Some young keepers just need a break

[Tambo]

Defence and a new GK should be the number 1 priority for us.

Maolida feels out of our reach but one we should be trying to bringing back somehow.

To many names on the out list, how much money do we realistically think we will spend in the summer? Out goings will be vital.

[B.H.F.C]

Defence and a new GK should be the number 1 priority for us.

Maolida feels out of our reach but one we should be trying to bringing back somehow.

To many names on the out list, how much money do we realistically think we will spend in the summer? Out goings will be vital.

For me, we absolutely have to sign a goalie and two centre halves. Get that right and build everything else from there. We’ve been shocking, defensively, over the last couple of seasons, we need first picks who are going to come in and improve us right away. No pissing about with projects or anything like that. If we don’t get that right, it’ll be more of the same .

[Donegal Hibby]

Defence and a new GK should be the number 1 priority for us.

Maolida feels out of our reach but one we should be trying to bringing back somehow.

To many names on the out list, how much money do we realistically think we will spend in the summer? Out goings will be vital.

With us probably losing Triantis and Marcondes the midfield is another area needing sorted . I'd also try and move both Levitt and JDH on too .

[Tyler Durden]

With us probably losing Triantis and Marcondes the midfield is another area needing sorted . I'd also try and move both Levitt and JDH on too .

Would be great to improve all areas but with Newell, Amos, NMW, Levitt and Campbell we're pretty well covered IMO.

Ideally we could sign a number 10 to replace Marcondes. But if you have an effective front 3 then potentially your midfield 3 can be a bit more industrious/box to box rather than needing a holding player and a number 10. The likes of Newcastle and Liverpool for example play more of a flat midfield 3 than needing a number 10 - obviously light years away from our level but the principles are the same.

Centre backs and a goalie defo top priority by a mile for me.

[GreenCastle]

For me, we absolutely have to sign a goalie and two centre halves. Get that right and build everything else from there. We’ve been shocking, defensively, over the last couple of seasons, we need first picks who are going to come in and improve us right away. No pissing about with projects or anything like that. If we don’t get that right, it’ll be more of the same .

100%.

The spine of the team is so important.

Central midfield still an issue also but we need to stop leaking goals.

No young inexperienced loans with limited game time unless they are absolutely exceptional players. But even then players on longer term to contracts who we can build a team round for the future.

We can get some decent loans but the importance of a good player on a contract with the club who has ambitions to lead us forward.

Going to be pretty obvious early on if we have an idea how to improve the team or we will do more of same again and hope it all comes together which will be a massive risk.

[JimBHibees]

Would be great to improve all areas but with Newell, Amos, NMW, Levitt and Campbell we're pretty well covered IMO.

Ideally we could sign a number 10 to replace Marcondes. But if you have an effective front 3 then potentially your midfield 3 can be a bit more industrious/box to box rather than needing a holding player and a number 10. The likes of Newcastle and Liverpool for example play more of a flat midfield 3 than needing a number 10 - obviously light years away from our level but the principles are the same.

Centre backs and a goalie defo top priority by a mile for me.

Don’t think we are covered quality wise from that pick of midfielders

[HIBS NUTS]

Don’t think we are covered quality wise from that pick of midfielders

Welsh is signed , and is good.👍

[Donegal Hibby]

Would be great to improve all areas but with Newell, Amos, NMW, Levitt and Campbell we're pretty well covered IMO.

Ideally we could sign a number 10 to replace Marcondes. But if you have an effective front 3 then potentially your midfield 3 can be a bit more industrious/box to box rather than needing a holding player and a number 10. The likes of Newcastle and Liverpool for example play more of a flat midfield 3 than needing a number 10 - obviously light years away from our level but the principles are the same.

Centre backs and a goalie defo top priority by a mile for me.

Newells 31 now and probably between him and NMW who will be our best midfielder . Campbell I see as a good AM back up player to have , Amos I've liked what little I've seen of him though have concerns if he's another JDH .


Levitt I honestly don't know what he brings to the table and one I'd be actively trying to move on with JDH if I was Monty . Think we are going to need two midfielders minimum , AM and another with drive and abit of energy about them . Maybe Josh Nisbet a possibility? . Or the Dundee lad ? .

[B.H.F.C]

100%.

The spine of the team is so important.

Central midfield still an issue also but we need to stop leaking goals.

No young inexperienced loans with limited game time unless they are absolutely exceptional players. But even then players on longer term to contracts who we can build a team round for the future.

We can get some decent loans but the importance of a good player on a contract with the club who has ambitions to lead us forward.

Going to be pretty obvious early on if we have an idea how to improve the team or we will do more of same again and hope it all comes together which will be a massive risk.

I’m less concerned about the middle of the park now that we have Moriah-Welsh. It’s been a bit stop start for him but he’ll make a big difference once he’s playing week in, week out next season. We do need another midfielder but centre half is definitely the priority and, whoever is the manager at the start of next season, simply has to address it by then.

[GreenCastle]

I’m less concerned about the middle of the park now that we have Moriah-Welsh. It’s been a bit stop start for him but he’ll make a big difference once he’s playing week in, week out next season. We do need another midfielder but centre half is definitely the priority and, whoever is the manager at the start of next season, simply has to address it by then.

Agreed but we also need some goals from central midfield.

[JohnM1875]

Agreed but we also need some goals from central midfield.

I'd actually forgot about Amos for obvious reasons. Strong three to pick two out of between him, NMW and Newell. Then we need another starting forward thinking player for goals as you say.

[Basildon Hibs]

Don’t think we are covered quality wise from that pick of midfielders

Correct. It's soft as *****.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'd actually forgot about Amos for obvious reasons. Strong three to pick two out of between him, NMW and Newell. Then we need another starting forward thinking player for goals as you say.

A couple of injuries though say to NMW and Amos and your back to a Newell and Levitt partnership again . If we could shift Levitt and JDH it might give us some scoop to add better players to our midfield .

[JohnM1875]

A couple of injuries though say to NMW and Amos and your back to a Newell and Levitt partnership again . If we could shift Levitt and JDH it might give us some scoop to add better players to our midfield .

Aw I absolutely think we need to sign more than one forward thinking midfielder. Was solely talking about starters in Amos, Newell and NMW, good options.

Without a doubt need better quality both depth and hopefully starters.

[superfurryhibby]

Luke McCowan of Dundee would be a good signing. He's skilful, direct, scores a few goals and drives his team on. I noticed that he's 26 and hasn't had the usual route into pro football. Clearly worked very hard to get to where he is now. Is he a central midfielder though? I noticed him through the middle when we played Dundee last few times. Transfermarket has him as a right midfielder.

Jason Kerr is often mentioned. He's the right age (just turned 27) and hopefully has his best years ahead of him, he should be hitting his peak. Notice someone mentioned him as being left sided, but he's actually right footed. He's not a big guy but my memory of him is that he's very robust in his style of play. A left sided CB with quality, and Kerr please.

A proper right back would be good. Miller hasn't had the season I had hoped for (he's been very good at times, but also very inconsistent) and I'm not convinced Cadden has the defensive qualities to improve our defensive record. I suppose with Lewy going, we have the opportunity for someone else to come in to the squad. Much as I like Obita, not sure he's a great defender. Another left back?

A new goalie is a must. Marshall will surely be leaving and we need a safe pair of hands.

Centre forwards x2. We're light there and when Maolida and ALF leave there will be scope for at least one in the door. I also suspect McKirdy and Youan to be offski, maybe Vente too, if we can recoup a decent slice of our investment.

Major rebuild ahead this season. It's a big test for the Gordon's and their credibility, as clearly they haven't delivered the progress we all hoped for. Hopefully with the Foley investment, we will see recruitment focus on players who are ready to play and improve the side.

I would be delighted if we saw the departures of Mckay, Tait, Jair, Mc Clelland, Wollacott, Henderson, JDH.

It will be sad to see Stevenson and Hanlon leave Hibs, particularly as Hanlon can clearly still make a good contribution. It's fair to say that their departures will mark the beginning of a new era, model professionals, been through it all and proper leaders on the park.

[Tyler Durden]

Don’t think we are covered quality wise from that pick of midfielders

To look at it another way, that group is no worse than any of our competitors.

The likes of Killie, St Mirren and Dundee aren’t finishing above us due to having better individuals in centre midfield. It’s cos they can defend and they’re organised collectively.

Again though, whilst I’d be keen to sign a 10 to replace Marcondes, defenders and a keeper are top priority by a mile IMO.

[Eyrie]

Have seen the term "vanity project" used a few times now to describe our signing policy.

This suggests an individual or individuals were deliberately pursuing some sort of policy to make themselves look good to the detriment of the club.

Is this really what some people think and not that it was a well intentioned if badly thought out idea?

I don't doubt it was done with the best of intentions but it was a vanity project for the club because we don't have the spare budget for a team of possible prospects who may or not make it and have no resale value if they don't.

[JimBHibees]

To look at it another way, that group is no worse than any of our competitors.

The likes of Killie, St Mirren and Dundee aren’t finishing above us due to having better individuals in centre midfield. It’s cos they can defend and they’re organised collectively.

Again though, whilst I’d be keen to sign a 10 to replace Marcondes, defenders and a keeper are top priority by a mile IMO.

The teams you mention are there this season would hope and expect us to be competing with Hearts next season

[HoboHarry]

If we need a back up central defender Thiago Silva is leaving Chelsea

😁

[PHeffernan]

Don’t think we are covered quality wise from that pick of midfielders

Quality like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-S1qdlQ8FE

[eastmainsmsh]

The boy at Lincoln who was at St Mirren would be decent Ethan Erahon

[CapitalGreen]

Quality like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-S1qdlQ8FE

Quality strike but unfortunately just being able to score the odd cracker isn’t enough to be a quality midfielder at the level we aspire to be (see also Stevie Mallan).

[Dmas]

Quality like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-S1qdlQ8FE

That was a peach

[Tyler Durden]

The teams you mention are there this season would hope and expect us to be competing with Hearts next season

Yeah and our midfield have easily matched Hearts over 3 games this season. Hearts pool of Jorge Grant, Cammy Devlin, Beningime, Neweunhof..... is no better than Newell, NMW, Amos and Levitt

Not many goals from that Hearts midfield but it hasn't stopped them being miles clear in third.

[erin go bragh]

Like to see us going for Armstrong from Killie.

[Brightside]

Luke McCowan of Dundee would be a good signing. He's skilful, direct, scores a few goals and drives his team on. I noticed that he's 26 and hasn't had the usual route into pro football. Clearly worked very hard to get to where he is now. Is he a central midfielder though? I noticed him through the middle when we played Dundee last few times. Transfermarket has him as a right midfielder.

Jason Kerr is often mentioned. He's the right age (just turned 27) and hopefully has his best years ahead of him, he should be hitting his peak. Notice someone mentioned him as being left sided, but he's actually right footed. He's not a big guy but my memory of him is that he's very robust in his style of play. A left sided CB with quality, and Kerr please.

A proper right back would be good. Miller hasn't had the season I had hoped for (he's been very good at times, but also very inconsistent) and I'm not convinced Cadden has the defensive qualities to improve our defensive record. I suppose with Lewy going, we have the opportunity for someone else to come in to the squad. Much as I like Obita, not sure he's a great defender. Another left back?

A new goalie is a must. Marshall will surely be leaving and we need a safe pair of hands.

Centre forwards x2. We're light there and when Maolida and ALF leave there will be scope for at least one in the door. I also suspect McKirdy and Youan to be offski, maybe Vente too, if we can recoup a decent slice of our investment.

Major rebuild ahead this season. It's a big test for the Gordon's and their credibility, as clearly they haven't delivered the progress we all hoped for. Hopefully with the Foley investment, we will see recruitment focus on players who are ready to play and improve the side.

I would be delighted if we saw the departures of Mckay, Tait, Jair, Mc Clelland, Wollacott, Henderson, JDH.

It will be sad to see Stevenson and Hanlon leave Hibs, particularly as Hanlon can clearly still make a good contribution. It's fair to say that their departures will mark the beginning of a new era, model professionals, been through it all and proper leaders on the park.

I'll be very disappointed if we don't sign Luke. We have definitely been watching him all season.

[Brightside]

The Down The Slope boys reviewed the current players last night. Decent listen / watch, and shows just how much needs to be done.

https://t.co/nuhNKToxj3

[Centre Hawf]

The way I see it I think a few wingers will be leaving:

Maolida - loan ends, probably can't afford him
Jair - surely times up? Loan him out at least
Mayenda - Loan up, not keeping
McKirdy - Again, clearly not fit or capable for us. Might struggle to shift though
Elie - Could see the club cashing in on him this summer.

That would realistically leave us with just Boyle and Cadden who can play out in the wider areas. Signing Armstrong would be on my list, he would likely need to find his place out on the left more than the right I imagine but he's done it a lot this season and has gotten returns so I've no real worries what side he can play on. The only worry is how much he would cost us. Could see him being at least 500-750k.

McCowan I'm not hugely sure I'd go for purely based on that he's started to move into CM a lot more or play as wider midfielder on the right as opposed to a winger. Is he better than what we have in the centre? I'm not convinced he's a huge upgrade for what we'd like need to pay to secure him as well. Can imagine Dundee asking for 300-400k or something.

I'd probably like to see us keep hold of Elie unless a silly offer came in and then go with Armstrong and Elie on either wing with Boyle as back up. Assuming we haven't targeted someone we haven't heard about there doesn't seem to be that many names in this league at the moment that are achievable.

[EGL2000]

The way I see it I think a few wingers will be leaving:

Maolida - loan ends, probably can't afford him
Jair - surely times up? Loan him out at least
Mayenda - Loan up, not keeping
McKirdy - Again, clearly not fit or capable for us. Might struggle to shift though
Elie - Could see the club cashing in on him this summer.

That would realistically leave us with just Boyle and Cadden who can play out in the wider areas. Signing Armstrong would be on my list, he would likely need to find his place out on the left more than the right I imagine but he's done it a lot this season and has gotten returns so I've no real worries what side he can play on. The only worry is how much he would cost us. Could see him being at least 500-750k.

McCowan I'm not hugely sure I'd go for purely based on that he's started to move into CM a lot more or play as wider midfielder on the right as opposed to a winger. Is he better than what we have in the centre? I'm not convinced he's a huge upgrade for what we'd like need to pay to secure him as well. Can imagine Dundee asking for 300-400k or something.

I'd probably like to see us keep hold of Elie unless a silly offer came in and then go with Armstrong and Elie on either wing with Boyle as back up. Assuming we haven't targeted someone we haven't heard about there doesn't seem to be that many names in this league at the moment that are achievable.

I think kille would want north of a mill for Armstrong, honestly closer to 2. Which I think is fair. We also complain that Scottish teams undervalue there own players. He's also been linked with an Ireland call up which will only boost his value. Think he's probably out of our grasp if honest.

[superfurryhibby]

I'll be very disappointed if we don't sign Luke. We have definitely been watching him all season.

He's definitely got qualities we need. Drive, forward thinking with the ability to run at defences and create space for others, good link up play. Contract is up next season, so Dundee will no doubt want to cash in, assuming he's keen to move on.

[Centre Hawf]

I think kille would want north of a mill for Armstrong, honestly closer to 2. Which I think is fair. We also complain that Scottish teams undervalue there own players. He's also been linked with an Ireland call up which will only boost his value. Think he's probably out of our grasp if honest.

I suspect you may be right. I don't know his contract situation but if he has more than 1 year left then I doubt it would be less than a million starting price which as you say would probably put him out of our price range in general.

[The Modfather]

Yeah and our midfield have easily matched Hearts over 3 games this season. Hearts pool of Jorge Grant, Cammy Devlin, Beningime, Neweunhof..... is no better than Newell, NMW, Amos and Levitt

Not many goals from that Hearts midfield but it hasn't stopped them being miles clear in third.

NMW is doing all the lifting in that midfield list IMO. Given we don’t know how Amos will turn out (his availability rather than quality IMO), Levitt has been woeful all season and Newell inconsistent.

Of that list it’s not far away from Levitt, Newell & Campbell being required fairly often. A midfield prospect quite possibly worse than JDH, Newell & Campbell.

[easty]

Yeah and our midfield have easily matched Hearts over 3 games this season. Hearts pool of Jorge Grant, Cammy Devlin, Beningime, Neweunhof..... is no better than Newell, NMW, Amos and Levitt

Not many goals from that Hearts midfield but it hasn't stopped them being miles clear in third.

:agree:

You don't need goals from midfield if your forwards are doing the business.

[CapitalGreen]

Yeah and our midfield have easily matched Hearts over 3 games this season. Hearts pool of Jorge Grant, Cammy Devlin, Beningime, Neweunhof..... is no better than Newell, NMW, Amos and Levitt

Not many goals from that Hearts midfield but it hasn't stopped them being miles clear in third.

It’s not ability which is the main problem, it’s consistency. Compare Newell’s performances in the previous 2 St Johnstone games. The home tie he was poor, slow to move the ball and as a result we struggled - fast forward a couple of weeks to the away tie and he played really well, getting the ball forward quickly and Saints couldn’t cope with us. To be in the mix for 3rd your best players need to be turning up every week.

[eastmainsmsh]

The way I see it I think a few wingers will be leaving:

Maolida - loan ends, probably can't afford him
Jair - surely times up? Loan him out at least
Mayenda - Loan up, not keeping
McKirdy - Again, clearly not fit or capable for us. Might struggle to shift though
Elie - Could see the club cashing in on him this summer.

That would realistically leave us with just Boyle and Cadden who can play out in the wider areas. Signing Armstrong would be on my list, he would likely need to find his place out on the left more than the right I imagine but he's done it a lot this season and has gotten returns so I've no real worries what side he can play on. The only worry is how much he would cost us. Could see him being at least 500-750k.

McCowan I'm not hugely sure I'd go for purely based on that he's started to move into CM a lot more or play as wider midfielder on the right as opposed to a winger. Is he better than what we have in the centre? I'm not convinced he's a huge upgrade for what we'd like need to pay to secure him as well. Can imagine Dundee asking for 300-400k or something.

I'd probably like to see us keep hold of Elie unless a silly offer came in and then go with Armstrong and Elie on either wing with Boyle as back up. Assuming we haven't targeted someone we haven't heard about there doesn't seem to be that many names in this league at the moment that are achievable.

Take a decent offer for Boyle as well not same player unfortunately

[chippy]

Take a decent offer for Boyle as well not same player unfortunately

Nope . Played well on Saturday showing his pace again. Getting back to levels I reckon

[MWHIBBIES]

Take a decent offer for Boyle as well not same player unfortunately

He is the same player. Hes always been hit or miss.

[superfurryhibby]

Take a decent offer for Boyle as well not same player unfortunately

Why would any team make a decent offer for Boyle if he's not the same player he was?

FWIW, I feel Boyle has plenty left to offer. he's not being well served by our poor service to him. He showed on Saturday that he's still a real threat.

As a general point, Luke McCowan has nine goals and five assists this season. Not quite as good as Youan, but still a decent contribution. I wasn't aware that he had become quite as effective a goalscorer (he had ten goals last season).

He's also versatile, capable of playing on the wing as well as the right sided central role we're more accustomed to seeing.

[JohnM1875]

Nope . Played well on Saturday showing his pace again. Getting back to levels I reckon

Totally agree. I'm sure he'll be back to the levels after an injury-free spell (hopefully) and a pre-season.

[Centre Hawf]

Take a decent offer for Boyle as well not same player unfortunately

I have to admit Boyle has looked a real shadow of himself this season in the grand scheme of things and it has went largely under the radar in comparison to criticism of other players. For example his 3 goals and 3 assists all season in the league isn't a great return in comparison to Elie yet I can't go a week without seeing grief for him. The biggest stumbling block to getting rid of him would be the wages, I imagine it would be very hard now to see someone coming in and picking up the tab of his contract.

For me Boyle is probably now here until his time/contract is up. Which I'm overall okay with because I do think if he can maybe get back some momentum in this split and into the pre-season he may bounce back.

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

You don't need goals from midfield if your forwards are doing the business.

Our main issue has been keeping them out

[PHeffernan]

Quality strike but unfortunately just being able to score the odd cracker isn’t enough to be a quality midfielder at the level we aspire to be (see also Stevie Mallan).

I've watched highlights of all Oostende games this season and Henderson always starts and has contributed and played well.
The obvious caveat is I have not seen complete games to assess his whole performance.

As for Stevie Mallan, he will almost certainly be back in Scotland next season. Has struggled since sustaining a lumbar vertebra fracture and his two years at lowly Salford have again been injury blighted. Hasn't played since mid November and his contract ends last day of June. If he can get himself fit we could see him at the likes of Partick Thistle scoring great goals as they push for promotion.

Henderson is a better player than Mallan. I think he is improving as his physicality builds and regular game time this season will have increased his confidence. Mallan was always massively limited by his mobility/athletic level and now injuries which is a shame as he is a great professional.

[tamig]

He is the same player. Hes always been hit or miss.

Think you’re being a bit generous there. Since he came back from injury he’s looked nothing like the same player as before. Saturday for me was the first time we’ve seen anything like the old Martin Boyle. Hopefully not a one-off but he’s been nothing like he was previously.

[Broken Gnome]

Think you’re being a bit generous there. Since he came back from injury he’s looked nothing like the same player as before. Saturday for me was the first time we’ve seen anything like the old Martin Boyle. Hopefully not a one-off but he’s been nothing like he was previously.

I'd agree with that. At his best - at the peak of his early 2020s improvement and when he returned, he'd developed in a real good player and not just a speed merchant.

Whether it's loss of form, something a pre season can fix or part of a decline, there's been precious little I can recall this season to suggest he's levels above much of the league. Even his pace isn't the game changer it has been, though that's probably to be expected now into future years.

He's got more than enough credit in the bank to get back to something like that though.

[Lago]

He is the same player. Hes always been hit or miss.
More miss than hit this season unfortunately.

[Tyler Durden]

Why would any team make a decent offer for Boyle if he's not the same player he was?

FWIW, I feel Boyle has plenty left to offer. he's not being well served by our poor service to him. He showed on Saturday that he's still a real threat.

As a general point, Luke McCowan has nine goals and five assists this season. Not quite as good as Youan, but still a decent contribution. I wasn't aware that he had become quite as effective a goalscorer (he had ten goals last season).

He's also versatile, capable of playing on the wing as well as the right sided central role we're more accustomed to seeing.

That’s McCowans league stats I think. Youan has just 4 goals and 8 assists in the league.

[Tyler Durden]

It’s not ability which is the main problem, it’s consistency. Compare Newell’s performances in the previous 2 St Johnstone games. The home tie he was poor, slow to move the ball and as a result we struggled - fast forward a couple of weeks to the away tie and he played really well, getting the ball forward quickly and Saints couldn’t cope with us. To be in the mix for 3rd your best players need to be turning up every week.

Agreed. I’d be delighted if we can upgrade on Joe Newell.

Wouldn’t be my top priority though.

[Brightside]

Take a decent offer for Boyle as well not same player unfortunately

31. Last chance for a move prob. Big wages. I think Hibs would move on if they could. Just not sure we will get decent offers.

[easty]

Our main issue has been keeping them out

Which was an obvious problem pre-January transfer window, and not addressed.

[Trinity Hibee]

I suspect you may be right. I don't know his contract situation but if he has more than 1 year left then I doubt it would be less than a million starting price which as you say would probably put him out of our price range in general.

Let’s be honest, if you were Armstrong why would you consider a move to Hibs right now? We are a mess

[superfurryhibby]

That’s McCowans league stats I think. Youan has just 4 goals and 8 assists in the league.

McCowan's stats are his total stats, it's just that his goals and assists have all been in the league.

[Centre Hawf]

Let’s be honest, if you were Armstrong why would you consider a move to Hibs right now? We are a mess

Sadly agree. I wouldn't consider us at the moment if I had no affiliation for the club. I'd be holding out for a jump down south to a Portsmouth or someone looking to strengthen at the bottom of the Champ/top of League 1.

That being said if there isn't a market for him down south and we're one of the only clubs that would meet Killie's valuation and bump his wages up on a 4 year deal then he might consider it, but that's bit speculative on my part.

[Trinity Hibee]

Sadly agree. I wouldn't consider us at the moment if I had no affiliation for the club. I'd be holding out for a jump down south to a Portsmouth or someone looking to strengthen at the bottom of the Champ/top of League 1.

That being said if there isn't a market for him down south and we're one of the only clubs that would meet Killie's valuation and bump his wages up on a 4 year deal then he might consider it, but that's bit speculative on my part.

Historically a move from Killie to Hibs would be a step up but at the moment it isn’t. A reflection of where we are sadly.

[flash]

Historically a move from Killie to Hibs would be a step up but at the moment it isn’t. A reflection of where we are sadly.

Of course it is. We are a massive club with a huge fanbase who would probably double his wages.

[Trinity Hibee]

Of course it is. We are a massive club with a huge fanbase who would probably double his wages.

Killie will likely be in Europe next season. Much more appealing to stay there with a settled side and manager than come to us. Sides down south could easily outspend us for him too. It simply won’t happen

If anyone in Scotland is buying him it would be them across the road

[Allant1981]

Historically a move from Killie to Hibs would be a step up but at the moment it isn’t. A reflection of where we are sadly.

It is 100% a step up, more money, bigger support, granted the last year or so has been a mess but let's not make out we aren't a much bigger club than killie

[Trinity Hibee]

It is 100% a step up, more money, bigger support, granted the last year or so has been a mess but let's not make out we aren't a much bigger club than killie

A step up in what way exactly? Killie are outperforming us on the park.

[raeburnhibs]

A step up in what way exactly? Killie are outperforming us on the park.

You're responding to a post by asking a question which the post you are referring to already answers in about 5 different ways

[HoboHarry]

A step up in what way exactly? Killie are outperforming us on the park.

So then by that logic Aston Villa are a bigger club than Man Utd?

[Trinity Hibee]

You're responding to a post by asking a question which the post you are referring to already answers in about 5 different ways

Ah right so bigger money, bigger support matters to a player when he’s at a club who are performing better than us. Got ya. Makes perfect sense now.

My question is around why Armstrong would join us at this current time. Not who has a bigger fan base, who has more cups over the last 100 years

[Trinity Hibee]

So then by that logic Aston Villa are a bigger club than Man Utd?

Good comparison actually as MU are very similar to our position at the moment in that they are a bomb scare. I don’t imagine many Villa players would look at MU as a desirable move at the moment when other options would also be available to them.

[Brightside]

Keep it on track guys eh.

[Trinity Hibee]

Keep it on track guys eh.

👍🏼

[Tyler Durden]

McCowan's stats are his total stats, it's just that his goals and assists have all been in the league.

Yes and IMO that is a better performance than Youan's numbers which are padded by 5 goal involvements against Raith, ICT and the part timers from Andorra.

Everyone will have their own view but Youan scoring in just 3 games this season in the league is pretty rubbish IMO. Boyle no better of course but nobody is suggesting his stats are great, which we do seem to hear about Youan.

[CapitalGreen]

Yes and IMO that is a better performance than Youan's numbers which are padded by 5 goal involvements against Raith, ICT and the part timers from Andorra.

Everyone will have their own view but Youan scoring in just 3 games this season in the league is pretty rubbish IMO. Boyle no better of course but nobody is suggesting his stats are great, which we do seem to hear about Youan.

3 games many fans were convinced we were losing before kick off.

3 of McCowan’s goals were penalties, may aswell exclude those too if you want a like-for-like comparison as Youan doesn’t take penalties.

[Alex Trager]

Killie will likely be in Europe next season. Much more appealing to stay there with a settled side and manager than come to us. Sides down south could easily outspend us for him too. It simply won’t happen

If anyone in Scotland is buying him it would be them across the road

Killie being in Europe for 2/4/6 games in August will not see a player stay at a club imo.

[Brightside]

3 games many fans were convinced we were losing before kick off.

3 of McCowan’s goals were penalties, may aswell exclude those too if you want a like-for-like comparison as Youan doesn’t take penalties.

They aren't remotely similar as players tbh. McCowan would be playing next to / or replacing newell.

[JimBHibees]

Let’s be honest, if you were Armstrong why would you consider a move to Hibs right now? We are a mess

But still a bigger and better club.

[CapitalGreen]

They aren't remotely similar as players tbh. McCowan would be playing next to / or replacing newell.

I’m not the one comparing them.

[Allant1981]

But still a bigger and better club.

Exactly, as I said previously, more money, bigger support, better training facilities, playing with better players(granted not showing that just now). 100% it's a step up in club, I'd like to see him sign

[scoopyboy]

A step up in what way exactly? Killie are outperforming us on the park.

And yet they haven't beat us in three games, two of which were at Rugby Park.

Just because they will finish above us this season doesn't mean they will do so next year and are a bigger club than us.

As for Europe they will probably be out when the league has barely started,

As to why would Armstrong sign? Money talks

[Tyler Durden]

They aren't remotely similar as players tbh. McCowan would be playing next to / or replacing newell.

I was responding to a post which suggested McCowan's stats weren't as good as Youan's. That post referenced that McCowan is "versatile, capable of playing on the wing as well as the right sided central role we're more accustomed to seeing"

Nobody suggested they were similar players.

[Brightside]

I was responding to a post which suggested McCowan's stats weren't as good as Youan's. That post referenced that McCowan is "versatile, capable of playing on the wing as well as the right sided central role we're more accustomed to seeing"

Nobody suggested they were similar players.

Just not sure why someone would compare the stats of a midfielder and a striker.

[Tyler Durden]

3 games many fans were convinced we were losing before kick off.

3 of McCowan’s goals were penalties, may aswell exclude those too if you want a like-for-like comparison as Youan doesn’t take penalties.

Yes we have lots of bed wetting clueless fans.

I wasn't doing a like for like comparison. I was suggesting that McCowan has had a more productive season than Youan, responding to a post that suggested his stats weren't as good as Youan's.

[superfurryhibby]

Exactly, as I said previously, more money, bigger support, better training facilities, playing with better players(granted not showing that just now). 100% it's a step up in club, I'd like to see him sign

Whilst Hibs are currently in the doldrums, I can't imagine many players at Armstrong's stage in their careers not fancying a massive increase in wages or playing in front a much bigger crowds. If, as I suspect, Youan is off in the summer, we will need a replacement. The Youan fee and his wages would surely help a lot in meeting any demands from Killie and the player.

[PHeffernan]

31. Last chance for a move prob. Big wages. I think Hibs would move on if they could. Just not sure we will get decent offers.

Boylers large wage at Hibs will mean he sees out his contract as no team will match it. At that point he will probably face a 40% wage reduction or will move on at age 32. So one more season of the gravy train for Martin.

[Bishop Hibee]

His large wage at Hibs will mean he sees out his contract as no team will match it. At that point he will probably face a 40% wage reduction or will move on at age 32.
So one more season of the gravy train for Martin.

‘Gravy train’. It’s mugs like Mueller, Melkerson and McKirdy that got paid for zilch return who were/are on a ‘gravy train’. I’m delighted Boyle is here next season.

[Unseen work]

The lad Bosun Lawal of Celtic looks like the exact sort of player we’ve missed for years. Performed really well for Fleetwood this year in League 1.

However with NMW and Newell the likely midfield two going forward.c backed up by Amos I imagine the midfielder we’ll be going for is a Marcondes replacement.

[Smartie]

‘Gravy train’. It’s mugs like Mueller, Melkerson and McKirdy that got paid for zilch return who were/are on a ‘gravy train’. I’m delighted Boyle is here next season.

Not disagreeing with your point re the players mentioned but we’re also struggling due to the contribution we receive from our best players. Boyle, Youan and Newell will have their defenders on here (cue 101 “least of our worries” replies) but they really don’t offer us anything like what the best players in our better teams did.

They’re all part of our problems tbh.

[JohnM1875]

Not disagreeing with your point re the players mentioned but we’re also struggling due to the contribution we receive from our best players. Boyle, Youan and Newell will have their defenders on here (cue 101 “least of our worries” replies) but they really don’t offer us anything like what the best players in our better teams did.

They’re all part of our problems tbh.

I rate all three players you mention, but I do think it's a very valid point in terms of return in the league in comparison to other teams better players.

Other than Youan who has eight assists and four goals we won't be appearing on any high performance charts you'd imagine.

[superfurryhibby]

I rate all three players you mention, but I do think it's a very valid point in terms of return in the league in comparison to other teams better players.

Other than Youan who has eight assists and four goals we won't be appearing on any high performance charts you'd imagine.

Youan has five league goals and seven league assists from 31 appearances.

He has 10 goals and ten assists across all competitions.

He's started 23 league games, on the bench eight times.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/elie-youan/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/465715/plus/0?saison=2023&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

[Donegal Hibby]

I wonder will we see Hibs go back for Owen Bevan if he gets over his injury ? , and was he the CB we were after at that time when Monty mentioned him in the EEN article.

[bingo70]

I wonder will we see Hibs go back for Owen Bevan if he gets over his injury ? , and was he the CB we were after at that time when Monty mentioned him in the EEN article.

I’m defending Monty elsewhere on the forums this morning but I can’t say I’ve got too much sympathy for him regarding Bevans.

We never signed a player who unfortunately got injured shortly after. We signed a player who was injured and not due back for a few weeks. He’d been out for a decent length of time when we signed him. It was just his recovery that didn’t go as expected.

Signing injured players and then complaining they’re injured is a bit pointless to me.

[Hibernian Verse]

I’m defending Monty elsewhere on the forums this morning but I can’t say I’ve got too much sympathy for him regarding Bevans.

We never signed a player who unfortunately got injured shortly after. We signed a player who was injured and not due back for a few weeks. He’d been out for a decent length of time when we signed him. It was just his recovery that didn’t go as expected.

Signing injured players and then complaining they’re injured is a bit pointless to me.

He's hardly going to have been Monty's signing. He plays for Bournemouth so it's fairly obvious where that transfer has originated.

Monty also doesn't assess player fitness. It must have been call between Hibs physios and doctors and Bournemouths.

So you can defend him on this one too :wink:

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m defending Monty elsewhere on the forums this morning but I can’t say I’ve got too much sympathy for him regarding Bevans.

We never signed a player who unfortunately got injured shortly after. We signed a player who was injured and not due back for a few weeks. He’d been out for a decent length of time when we signed him. It was just his recovery that didn’t go as expected.

Signing injured players and then complaining they’re injured is a bit pointless to me.

I think both Bournemouth and Hibs physios would have assessed him before we signed him and not Monty , obviously we must have rated him and his chances of making a contribution when he signed .

After seeing NMW I'd have took him injured too if he was a few weeks away in all . Very good player . Don't think Monty was actually complaining he was injured more that it was unlucky the guy had a setback which Imo is fair enough.

I did find Monty mentioning Bevan interesting which is why I wonder maybe he was the CH we were after and is there a possibility we might go back for him in the Summer if he's fit .

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think both Bournemouth and Hibs physios would have assessed him before we signed him and not Monty , obviously we must have rated him and his chances of making a contribution when he signed .

After seeing NMW I'd have took him injured too if he was a few weeks away in all . Very good player . Don't think Monty was actually complaining he was injured more that it was unlucky the guy had a setback which Imo is fair enough.

I did find Monty mentioning Bevan interesting which is why I wonder maybe he was the CH we were after and is there a possibility we might go back for him in the Summer if he's fit .

I’m fairly certain Montgomery confirmed Triantis was the centre half we were after/his number one choice.

[Tyler Durden]

I think both Bournemouth and Hibs physios would have assessed him before we signed him and not Monty , obviously we must have rated him and his chances of making a contribution when he signed .

After seeing NMW I'd have took him injured too if he was a few weeks away in all . Very good player . Don't think Monty was actually complaining he was injured more that it was unlucky the guy had a setback which Imo is fair enough.

I did find Monty mentioning Bevan interesting which is why I wonder maybe he was the CH we were after and is there a possibility we might go back for him in the Summer if he's fit .

I find it a bit strange to be honest. Surely if we wanted Bevan we could have had him on January 1st... Was another 20 year old CB really going to make a difference? The thought that we'll go in for him again is a bit of a concern.

Another Monty comment that just makes me fear he doesn't quite get where things have gone wrong.

Hope he proves me wrong if he's still here

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m fairly certain Montgomery confirmed Triantis was the centre half we were after/his number one choice.

You might very well be right as he played there before for Monty after he signed him in 2022 for a free I think which wasn't a bad piece of business considering they got £300,000 for him a year later .

Just found it strange that we played him as CH in his first game for us in the defeat to St Mirren i think it was when we didn't really have anyone else because Rocky and Hanlon were both missing , we didn't even have a CH on the bench that day , we did have 2 RBs and 1 LB with young Whittaker playing I think that day too .

Celtic game was much the same . When Rocky was available he dropped out though and did come off the bench in a game shortly after that though did not actually come on in a straight swap for another CH in fact I don't think we subbed any of our CHs in that game btw .

With both him and Bevan signed at the one time and with Bevan having a injury and both Rocky and Hanlon missing then I did wonder if he was only covering as a CH and maybe was signed as DM . Again you might be right and I don't really know though he does look more comfortable at DM . I do think he's been slightly unlucky when he's played at CH even if it doesn't appear to be his best position .

[Donegal Hibby]

I find it a bit strange to be honest. Surely if we wanted Bevan we could have had him on January 1st... Was another 20 year old CB really going to make a difference? The thought that we'll go in for him again is a bit of a concern.

Another Monty comment that just makes me fear he doesn't quite get where things have gone wrong.

Hope he proves me wrong if he's still here

Don't know the circumstances behind us trying to getting Bevan , maybe his injury or discussions between the clubs etc , just guessing though there could be a host of different reasons why we didn't get him earlier especially when we were interested early in the window as the player states here .

https://youtu.be/E2xixBbQw1M?si=PjB_gY3i-jCU-LLI

Simple answer to your question on wither another 20 year old CH was going to make a difference ? , is I don't really know because I not seen him play though some of the Bournemouth fans seem to rate him and he apparently picked up a few MotM awards has well as putting in some impressive performances on loan. If he was anywhere near the quality of NMW though we'd probably have a decent CH though.

I'm not saying btw we will go back for him , just wondering if it's a possibility we will . I wouldn't be to concerned if we do as the players we've got so far from Bournemouth have been of a good quality in fairness.

https://bournemouth-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/owen-bevan.16177/