Var

[Monktonhall 7]

My mate is an ex Asst. Ref and did quite a few top level games before retiring a couple of years ago. I was talking to him about the nonsense that Crawford Allan was spouting last week. Most of us will remember him, (Allan) as being absolutely hopeless as a referee, but to make things worse, my mate says he’s just a puppet for the Chairman of Referees, who is none other than Willie Young. Another complete joke of a ref who seems to be the top man, but sits very quietly in the background.

[Keepthefaith]

Seems to be that in EPL the referees body themselves comes out and admits/ highlights errors at times before clubs make statements. Would be nice to see some responsibility and accountability up here in the same way!

Surely there must be some good young refs coming through? We can't be stuck with the same ***** for next 10 years?;

[HoboHarry]

Seems to be that in EPL the referees body themselves comes out and admits/ highlights errors at times before clubs make statements. Would be nice to see some responsibility and accountability up here in the same way!

Surely there must be some good young refs coming through? We can't be stuck with the same ***** for next 10 years?;

I've said many times that there will be excellent referees all over Scotland but they are all f****d because they don't belong to the Glasgow or Lanarkshire associations.

[Bakerman]

I've said many times that there will be excellent referees all over Scotland but they are all f****d because they don't belong to the Glasgow or Lanarkshie associations.

:agree:

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[Criswell]

If anyone had any doubts that VAR in this country is two-tiered they only have to watch the highlights from yesterday's St Johnstone v Rangers game.

Two penalty claims made by Rangers but the referee sees nothing wrong. Well, VAR Central (Glasgow) are not going to stand for that! They are all over the incidents in an instant. Referee ordered to review both and surprise surprise penalties are awarded. Contrast this with our handball penalty incident at Aberdeen. Not even reviewed. I don't know if it is incompetence or corruption: probably both.

[matty_f]

They can't do much more after the event than apologise to be honest.

People raging that they have would be raging if they never. And well done the club for publicly airing our grievances too.

:agree:

[Dmas]

Not the first time we’ve received an apology for errors with VAR yet when announcing the last lot of VAR errors we weren’t listed and the BBC article earlier in week listing another 13 errors we aren’t quoted either something stinks

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

[Bobby's Cinema]

Not the first time we’ve received an apology for errors with VAR yet when announcing the last lot of VAR errors we weren’t listed and the BBC article earlier in week listing another 13 errors we aren’t quoted either something stinks

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp
Exactly what I came on to post :agree:

[Bobby's Cinema]

Also why is the BBC headline 'Hibs believe VAR made error' and not 'Hibs statement confirms Referee Department admit serious error not to award pen'.
Not to mention the fact the article doubles up with a 50/50 Aberdeen non-award.

[oneone73]

Also why is the BBC headline 'Hibs believe VAR made error' and not 'Hibs statement confirms Referee Department admit serious error not to award pen'.
Not to mention the fact the article doubles up with a 50/50 Aberdeen non-award.

BBC report says all you need to know about the bias in that organisation.

[JimBHibees]

I've said many times that there will be excellent referees all over Scotland but they are all f****d because they don't belong to the Glasgow or Lanarkshire associations.

It is incredible that the clearly corrupt set up is allowed to happen. You would also think that just maybe refs from outside the fishbowl of Glasgow might mean they are less inclined to be influenced in their decisions. We obviously can't have that.

[lyonhibs]

Seems to be that in EPL the referees body themselves comes out and admits/ highlights errors at times before clubs make statements. Would be nice to see some responsibility and accountability up here in the same way!

Surely there must be some good young refs coming through? We can't be stuck with the same ***** for next 10 years?;

Given the abuse they get at the game and online, who'd be a referee??

And as Willie Young said upon retiring (allegedly) "if you b think I was bad, wait until you see who's coming along next"

[Aldo]

They can't do much more after the event than apologise to be honest.

People raging that they have would be raging if they never. And well done the club for publicly airing our grievances too.

Correct however the biggest concern in all this is there will be zero consequences for the officials who blatantly and deliberately ignore a clear as day handball that everyone in the stadium saw apart from them and that rocket Warnock

[McGruber]

Not the first time we’ve received an apology for errors with VAR yet when announcing the last lot of VAR errors we weren’t listed and the BBC article earlier in week listing another 13 errors we aren’t quoted either something stinks

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

It will be because they only list VAR errors from those reviewed - anything not reviewed doesn't count, like the Boyle penalty incident v Celtic.

[Tyler Durden]

If anyone had any doubts that VAR in this country is two-tiered they only have to watch the highlights from yesterday's St Johnstone v Rangers game.

Two penalty claims made by Rangers but the referee sees nothing wrong. Well, VAR Central (Glasgow) are not going to stand for that! They are all over the incidents in an instant. Referee ordered to review both and surprise surprise penalties are awarded. Contrast this with our handball penalty incident at Aberdeen. Not even reviewed. I don't know if it is incompetence or corruption: probably both.

Right but both were actually penalties weren’t they? The bigger issue there is how the on field refs failed to give the first one especially.

[Tyler Durden]

Not the first time we’ve received an apology for errors with VAR yet when announcing the last lot of VAR errors we weren’t listed and the BBC article earlier in week listing another 13 errors we aren’t quoted either something stinks

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

The recent list was from the 2nd round of league games only

[Tyler Durden]

It will be because they only list VAR errors from those reviewed - anything not reviewed doesn't count, like the Boyle penalty incident v Celtic.

The recent list was from the 2nd round of league games only

If they thought the Boyle penalty incident should have been a pen, it’ll be included next list. As will the weekends handball

[Tyler Durden]

Also why is the BBC headline 'Hibs believe VAR made error' and not 'Hibs statement confirms Referee Department admit serious error not to award pen'.
Not to mention the fact the article doubles up with a 50/50 Aberdeen non-award.

If the BBC guys had any initiative they would analyse all the admitted “errors” this season and produce some data on which refs are failing most, which teams they most commonly penalise etc

That would actually be valuable and factual (acknowledging it’s only the errors they’ve agreed to).

I

[hibsbollah]

Right but both were actually penalties weren’t they? The bigger issue there is how the on field refs failed to give the first one especially.

Equally as big an issue is number of checks per team per game. Until theres a consistent approach, so an equal number of checks is allowed per team, it will always be that more decisions favouring rangers and Celtic will continue to be checked and given.

[Tyler Durden]

Equally as big an issue is number of checks per team per game. Until theres a consistent approach, so an equal number of checks is allowed per team, it will always be that more decisions favouring rangers and Celtic will continue to be checked and given.

But IMHO this is a bit of a misconception. Everything is checked. The ref is only asked to review at the screen where the VAR is recommending they change a decision or to show them something they haven’t seen entirely.

For exemple Vente in the semi final. The VAR checks it and doesn’t think Beaton had made an error. So he doesn’t ask Beaton to go and see the screen. The incident was checked. But loads of Hibs fans still say “IT WASNT EVEN CHECKED”

What you may be referring to (and I’d agree with) is that possible offences against the OF teams appear to be scrutinised in more detail. For example when Ralston seems to handball Maolidas shot in the Celtic game. The TV analysis doesn’t give a replay and it seems the VAR just misses it too. If roles were reversed it feels like the VAR would recommend a penalty. Not sure how we get past this inherent bias

[Onion]

They would have shut the meeting-room door after talking to Hibs and then laughed at us.
The club should have called this out publicly after the game and embarrassed the cowards.

If this was Sevco the VAR referee would’ve been banished to the Siberian league; it’s just a sop all round, both by the SFA to Hibs, and by Hibs to us.

:agree: Does feel a bit like that. No one has an issue with isolated mistakes, they happen. What we can't tolerate is them trying to brush away a clear pattern of discrimination and favouritism against and towards certain clubs. Nor can we tolerate officials attempting to "balance the books" giving Hibs a dubious decision later on - in a meaningless match when we're winning or getting thrashed - and then claiming that these things even out. The decision on Sat could have been crucial to the outcome of the match. The debatable pens (and non-pen) again Celtic could have been crucial to the outcome.

Saturday's blatant handball cannot be explained away as an honest "mistake". It was far too obvious for that. It leaves only one conclusion.

[McGruber]

The recent list was from the 2nd round of league games only

If they thought the Boyle penalty incident should have been a pen, it’ll be included next list. As will the weekends handball

I don't think that is right. The VAR watch everything, but they don't review everything. There was no VAR review of the Boyle incident. There was a hold up for review for the weekends handball. The review had a decision of no penalty - those are the ones looked at again for errors. They aren't reporting errors on anything deemed not worthy of VAR review at the time.

[Kato]

Here's some icing on the VAR/BBC Sportsound/SPL anti-Hibernian cake.

Our players our more likely to get booked than any other club if you look at the fouls per booking stats.

https://i.ibb.co/Q80vWbj/20240218-233627.jpg



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[RyeSloan]

Here's some icing on the VAR/BBC Sportsound/SPL anti-Hibernian cake.

Our players our more likely to get booked than any other club if you look at the fouls per booking stats.

https://i.ibb.co/Q80vWbj/20240218-233627.jpg



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Does that say we have actually committed less fouls than anyone else bar Dundee but have the most yellow cards? Wow.


Is there something from other top leagues to see of such a dispersion is normal?

[Partyraiser]

Here's some icing on the VAR/BBC Sportsound/SPL anti-Hibernian cake.

Our players our more likely to get booked than any other club if you look at the fouls per booking stats.

https://i.ibb.co/Q80vWbj/20240218-233627.jpg



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This just confirms what we watch every week. The threshold for booking our players is lower than for everyone else. The celtc and huns numbers are ridiculous

[number9dream]

Hibs have put a thing on instagram saying they met with officials and they’ve admitted their mistake. Should have been referred for a review by the refereee.

Good on Hibs for challenging it

SFA denying any apology was asked for or given...
Probably means Darryl Broadfoot has woken up, seen the story and started calling round media outlets before giving someone at the SFA a slap.

[Onion]

It will be because they only list VAR errors from those reviewed - anything not reviewed doesn't count, like the Boyle penalty incident v Celtic.

Which allows the VAR even more room to swing the game in one or other team's favour. VAR should be forced to review every handball in the box and every penalty claim, and to give an opinion. What else are they doing at the time ?

[nonshinyfinish]

Here's some icing on the VAR/BBC Sportsound/SPL anti-Hibernian cake.

Our players our more likely to get booked than any other club if you look at the fouls per booking stats.

https://i.ibb.co/Q80vWbj/20240218-233627.jpg

Your screen is filthy.


Does that say we have actually committed less fouls than anyone else bar Dundee but have the most yellow cards? Wow.

It doesn't say we have the most yellow cards (Motherwell do), it says we have on average the lowest number of fouls before getting a booking.

[Tyler Durden]

I don't think that is right. The VAR watch everything, but they don't review everything. There was no VAR review of the Boyle incident. There was a hold up for review for the weekends handball. The review had a decision of no penalty - those are the ones looked at again for errors. They aren't reporting errors on anything deemed not worthy of VAR review at the time.

Let's look at the OF derby for example. To quote the BBC report on the list of errors "The findings say VAR was wrong not to recommend a review of Celtic defender Alastair Johnston's handball in the last Old Firm derby."

They said the same about the Ross McAusland dive for a penalty at Livi - also on the list of errors. They do look at where the VAR should have recommended an onfield review.

In the Boyle incident, the VAR looks at it, sees it's a dive and agrees with the ref. If they now decide that was a mistake, it will be on the next list of errors.

[Tyler Durden]

Which allows the VAR even more room to swing the game in one or other team's favour. VAR should be forced to review every handball in the box and every penalty claim, and to give an opinion. What else are they doing at the time ?

They do

[Brightside]

SFA denying any apology was asked for or given...
Probably means Darryl Broadfoot has woken up, seen the story and started calling round media outlets before giving someone at the SFA a slap.

Where have you seen this?

[worcesterhibby]

Here's some icing on the VAR/BBC Sportsound/SPL anti-Hibernian cake.

Our players our more likely to get booked than any other club if you look at the fouls per booking stats.

https://i.ibb.co/Q80vWbj/20240218-233627.jpg



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Football in Scotland is broken. It's utterly rigged.

[hibsbollah]

Does that say we have actually committed less fouls than anyone else bar Dundee but have the most yellow cards? Wow.


Is there something from other top leagues to see of such a dispersion is normal?

Well, the 'Establishment Narrative' could equally use the stats above to come up with an alternative take. What about; 'Dirty Hibs! Easter Road Outfit Commit More Booking-Worthy Fouls Than Any Other Team! or 'Refs Favour Hibs and Dundee! Both Clubs Get Fewest Fouls Awarded Against Them!'

[Dmas]

It will be because they only list VAR errors from those reviewed - anything not reviewed doesn't count, like the Boyle penalty incident v Celtic.

Boyle pen was reviewed it just takes milliseconds for a decision to be made when it’s us and all possible angles scrutinised multiple times when it’s others.

[RyeSloan]

Your screen is filthy.



It doesn't say we have the most yellow cards (Motherwell do), it says we have on average the lowest number of fouls before getting a booking.

Got ya…should look closer before asking dumb questions!

None the less it’s a damning table and no surprise as to who the top two are either…

[Onion]

Your screen is filthy.



It doesn't say we have the most yellow cards (Motherwell do), it says we have on average the lowest number of fouls before getting a booking.

Not surprising. General pattern of a Hibs game is : Game kicks off, opponents kick **** of Hibs players knowing ref won’t book anyone early on, 20 mins in Hibs player commits first foul, ref flashes yellow card and gives said player a lecture. Rinse and repeat.

[Since90+2]

Here's some icing on the VAR/BBC Sportsound/SPL anti-Hibernian cake.

Our players our more likely to get booked than any other club if you look at the fouls per booking stats.

https://i.ibb.co/Q80vWbj/20240218-233627.jpg



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Got to say I'm amazed which club is at the top of that list.

[weecounty hibby]

I don't understand why we use the same incompetent/cheating/both* refs to work var. With modern technology the var team could be anywhere in the world. Less chance of bias and cheating. But less of the cartel getting cushy jobs I suppose
*delete as appropriate

[HoboHarry]

I don't understand why we use the same incompetent/cheating/both* refs to work var. With modern technology the var team could be anywhere in the world. Less chance of bias and cheating. But less of the cartel getting cushy jobs I suppose
*delete as appropriate
I've seen this comment a few times but good referees are difficult to find and I'd be amazed if another foreign association would be prepared to sub out their top officials on match day.

[number9dream]

Where have you seen this?

Late reply, but wording of BBC story changed this morning.

[weecounty hibby]

I've seen this comment a few times but good referees are difficult to find and I'd be amazed if another foreign association would be prepared to sub out their top officials on match day.
Yeah, I do get that. But to be honest I don't think someone who has multiple views, can slow things down, freeze frame etc needs to be the top officials. The probkem is ours are corrupt in my opinion. Stevie Wonder would have got that penalty decision right v Aberdeen.

[HoboHarry]

Yeah, I do get that. But to be honest I don't think someone who has multiple views, can slow things down, freeze frame etc needs to be the top officials. The probkem is ours are corrupt in my opinion. Stevie Wonder would have got that penalty decision right v Aberdeen.
Not arguing Scottish officials are quite probably as bad currently as I've seen in my lifetime but for the SFA to outsource VAR duties would be a blatant and open admission that our officials weren't fit for purpose and they aren't going to do that now or ever.

[Chorley Hibee]

Late reply, but wording of BBC story changed this morning.

Yes, you're right, they've changed the wording of the article.

The article now says the SFA is denying that Hibs asked for an apology and they also refute that one has been given.

So who is lying?

If what Hibs say is true, then Hibs should be releasing another statement calling them out on this too.

[Joe6-2]

SFA f****** taking the piss and laughing at us

[Trinity Hibee]

Yes, you're right, they've changed the wording of the article.

The article now says the SFA is denying that Hibs asked for an apology and they also refute that one has been given.

So who is lying?

If what Hibs say is true, then Hibs should be releasing another statement calling them out on this too.

Can the sfa not acknowledge a mistake was made without making an apology?

[Carheenlea]

Yes, you're right, they've changed the wording of the article.

The article now says the SFA is denying that Hibs asked for an apology and they also refute that one has been given.

So who is lying?

If what Hibs say is true, then Hibs should be releasing another statement calling them out on this too.

We’ve said our piece. If the SFA want to start backtracking and making fools of themselves then leave them be. No need to be drawn into a stairhead rammy when we’ve made our point in a short and concise statement.

[Chorley Hibee]

Can the sfa not acknowledge a mistake was made without making an apology?

They apologise to the Huns often enough.

Why should we be any different?

The insinuation is that Hibs are lying. I'd be calling them out on it again.

[ancient hibee]

My mate is an ex Asst. Ref and did quite a few top level games before retiring a couple of years ago. I was talking to him about the nonsense that Crawford Allan was spouting last week. Most of us will remember him, (Allan) as being absolutely hopeless as a referee, but to make things worse, my mate says he’s just a puppet for the Chairman of Referees, who is none other than Willie Young. Another complete joke of a ref who seems to be the top man, but sits very quietly in the background.

Crawford Allan,who’s from Edinburgh,works for the SFA. Doubt very much that Willie Young has anything to do with that.

[HoboHarry]

Crawford Allan,who’s from Edinburgh,works for the SFA. Doubt very much that Willie Young has anything to do with that.
Willie Young is indeed the Chair, aided and abetted by, amongst others, Kenny Clark.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/organisation/strategy-structure/who-we-are/board-committees/

[Glory Lurker]

Here's some icing on the VAR/BBC Sportsound/SPL anti-Hibernian cake.

Our players our more likely to get booked than any other club if you look at the fouls per booking stats.

https://i.ibb.co/Q80vWbj/20240218-233627.jpg



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Where is this from?

[ancient hibee]

Willie Young is indeed the Chair, aided and abetted by, amongst others, Kenny Clark.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/organisation/strategy-structure/who-we-are/board-committees/


Allan is head of referee operations.Not sure what that committee does-are they not all oldies(but goodies)?

[JimBHibees]

Where is this from?

Think Kato has put that together himself based on stats likely from soccer base or similar

[wookie70]

The previous year was pretty similar (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-receive-fewest-cards-per-fouls-in-scottish-premiership-as-hibs-among-the-most-punished-3621589) in terms of bookings per foul. How many of us have sat week in week out watching our players kick up and down the park and looked at our mate and said first foul against Hibs and we will get a booking. Pretty much all the time it feels that is the case and the stats seem to say that anecdotal view has some merit. What have we done to annoy officials so much.

[Kato]

Where is this from?https://spfl.co.uk/stats-centre

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[Kato]

Think Kato has put that together himself based on stats likely from soccer base or similarFrom the SPFL's own stats, J.

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[Glory Lurker]

From the SPFL's own stats, J.

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Thanks 👍

[JimBHibees]

From the SPFL's own stats, J.

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Ok cheers