The Orange Order

[Pretty Boy]

Have reported Hibs fans to Police Scotland alleging a hate crime to do with a banner with a crossed out sash displayed on Wednesday night, statement below:

'You may all be aware of an offensive banner at Easter Road on Wednesday night, which again highlights a proactive campaign of hate against the Orange Institution and the wider Protestant community.
We have already highlighted this campaign to Scottish Government Officials, Senior Politicians from all political party’s, CEOs at every local authority and Police Scotland.
You can be assured we will be asking questions next week to Hibernian Football Club and Police Scotland as to why this banner was allowed to be displayed and why no action was taken to remove it, as it represents a hate crime.
I would encourage everyone if you feel comfortable doing so to phone Police Scotland on 101 and report this incident as offensive to you, and it represents a hate crime against the Orange Institution.

Executive Officer
Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland'

I'm not going to argue such a banner belongs in a football stadium but reporting it to the police, really? I mean really? Brass and neck spring to mind.

[Pagan Hibernia]

How the hell does a banner like that highlight a campaign of hate against the 'wider protestant community'??

Many hibs fans are protestant ffs

[greenlex]

They parade up and down our streets in their fancy dress and complain about a banner. You couldn’t make it up.

[hibsbollah]

Sadly, this is the way it is in contemporary society, politics and the world. When you have no defence against your own barbarity, Falsely accuse others of the same barbarism yourself.

[SChibs]

What exactly was the banner?


The sooner the human race moves on from religion the better.

[Haymaker]

How the hell does a banner like that highlight a campaign of hate against the 'wider protestant community'??

Many hibs fans are protestant ffs

Yep.

And I hate the OO.

[The Modfather]

Hopefully police Scotland take it seriously and take action. It’s of course nonsensical, but would be a precedent and non Old Firm clubs could report Rangers & Celtc most weeks.

[SickBoy32]

Greeting faced rat *******s

[Jones28]

😂 well, that’s that. I think we may be through the looking glass.

[LewysGot2]

They parade up and down our streets in their fancy dress and complain about a banner. You couldn’t make it up.

They were singing about killing Irish catholics…they have no shame.

The full songbook was aired.

[The Green Sea]

Have reported Hibs fans to Police Scotland alleging a hate crime to do with a banner with a crossed out sash displayed on Wednesday night, statement below:

'You may all be aware of an offensive banner at Easter Road on Wednesday night, which again highlights a proactive campaign of hate against the Orange Institution and the wider Protestant community.
We have already highlighted this campaign to Scottish Government Officials, Senior Politicians from all political party’s, CEOs at every local authority and Police Scotland.
You can be assured we will be asking questions next week to Hibernian Football Club and Police Scotland as to why this banner was allowed to be displayed and why no action was taken to remove it, as it represents a hate crime.
I would encourage everyone if you feel comfortable doing so to phone Police Scotland on 101 and report this incident as offensive to you, and it represents a hate crime against the Orange Institution.

Executive Officer
Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland'

I'm not going to argue such a banner belongs in a football stadium but reporting it to the police, really? I mean really? Brass and neck spring to mind.

From this Protestant they can GTF as they don’t represent me or the majority of Protestants in Scotland. Just a bunch of **** masquerading as upstanding members of the community.

[Pretty Boy]

What exactly was the banner?


The sooner the human race moves on from religion the better.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/wo2Kxz4zcCWrVJKS/

Image here

[Bridge hibs]

Oh will someone please think of the oranges 27648 ****ing utter self entitled ******s !!

[Jones28]

Can we please make a point of recording them next time they’re at ER singing their “banned” songs about hating catholics etc?

Then maybe a little police complain of our own?

[Jones28]

What exactly was the banner?


The sooner the human race moves on from religion the better.

Amen to that


😂

[USA_Hibee]

99% of their members have never been to a church.

[cabbageandribs1875]

this proddy despises that shower of vile ***m

[Pretty Boy]

From this Protestant they can GTF as they don’t represent me or the majority of Protestants in Scotland. Just a bunch of **** masquerading as upstanding members of the community.

There was a poster on here for many years who was a Protestant Minister (and an excellent, much missed poster). I remember once suggesting that those who parade through the streets every June and July might be better served attending their local Kirk on a Sunday to celebrate their religious freedoms. His response was a beautifully cutting 'why should I have to deal with them?'

Incidentally I was at Mass this morning and we had a local Minister preaching the homily as part of a 'pulpit swap' aimed at growing ecumenical understanding and friendship. Our Priest is reciprocating next weekend. Funny old world.

[Bostonhibby]

That's it, I'm finished with them. I'll never order an orange again.

Horrible creatures that society needs to leave behind.

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[The Green Sea]

From this Protestant they can GTF as they don’t represent me or the majority of Protestants in Scotland. Just a bunch of **** masquerading as upstanding members of the community.

Didn’t realise the H word is censored.

[Jones28]

Didn’t realise the H word is censored.

After being ruled as sectarian a few months ago.

[Bridge hibs]

There was a poster on here for many years who was a Protestant Minister (and an excellent, much missed poster). I remember once suggesting that those who parade through the streets every June and July might be better served attending their local Kirk on a Sunday to celebrate their religious freedoms. His response was a beautifully cutting 'why should I have to deal with them?'

Incidentally I was at Mass this morning and we had a local Minister preaching the homily as part of a 'pulpit swap' aimed at growing ecumenical understanding and friendship. Our Priest is reciprocating next weekend. Funny old world.Was that a poster named Doddy ? Haven't read his posts for a while

[green day]

There is no strict liability so it's irrelevant.

The useful thing would be to shine a light on their fans behaviour.

Thanks lads.

[Iain G]

Sadly, this is the way it is in contemporary society, politics and the world. When you have no defence against your own barbarity, Falsely accuse others of the same barbarism yourself.

They are warlocks and witches and should all be burned at the stake with their stupid outdated beliefs and superstitions.

[Pretty Boy]

Was that a poster named Doddy ? Haven't read his posts for a while

That's the man.

[Torto7]

Hopefully police Scotland take it seriously and take action. It’s of course nonsensical, but would be a precedent and non Old Firm clubs could report Rangers & Celtc most weeks.

And then ignore the OF related complaints.

[DaveF]

Police Scotland should give the OO a 3 week ban for a frivolous appeal.

Away and dry yer bitter orange eyes, you bunch of bowler hat wearing weirdos.

[Jones28]

That's the man.

Sorely missed poster.

Along with Johnnyboy, I hope they’re both keeping ok.

[The Green Sea]

After being ruled as sectarian a few months ago.

I thought it would be like black people using the N word so surely as a Protestant I can use the H word.

[Carheenlea]

I doubt that those who displayed the small image on a banner have any great interest or understanding of the Orange Order. They see it as an extension of Rangers.

The Orange Order predates Rangers by almost a century, but the membership now will almost exclusively be made up of Rangers supporters. Like the politics they feel obliged to adopt as an extension to their Rangers supporting, along with the obligation to present themselves as Royalists with reverence to The Crown, and again, the Orange Order is seen as something else that requires to be embraced.

Your average Rangers fan will support the UK Union, will support the Ulster Loyalist goal of Northern Ireland remaining in UK, will be strong supporters of the armed forces, will be supporters of the Royal Family, and in recent times, backing of the Israeli cause.

All of which are opinions and causes that anyone is entitled to stand behind in support, but how many Rangers fans genuinely align with any of those without it simply being an extension of their support for Rangers? They adopt those views only because they are Rangers fans.

The Orange Order is another example of that. The banner wasn’t directed at The Orange Order on its own, or even the Protestant faith. It was directed at Rangers.

The fact that so many automatically associate Rangers and the Orange Order with each other is a problem for them themselves to sort out. I suspect the Orange Order know anyway it’s not aimed directly at them.

[Torto7]

Mind that headcase years ago who spat at a Nun and called her a fenian bitch. The Nun was visiting Scotland from South America I think, I don't think I've ever been as embarrassed to be Scottish even though they don't see themselves as Scottish.

They're the slime of life, the very pits of existence all programmed to be silly little pit bulls for the zealots who seized control back in the day. Outdated and pathetic people but there remains far too many of them in our country spewing their bile due to the cowardice and sometimes complicity of our and London's authorities.

[K-Zazu]

Is there a link to this? Can’t see it online anywhere?

[Torto7]

Is there a link to this? Can’t see it online anywhere?

www.werapeepulfthefenuwns.billy.

[DaveF]

I doubt that those who displayed the small image on a banner have any great interest or understanding of the Orange Order. They see it as an extension of Rangers.

The Orange Order predates Rangers by almost a century, but the membership now will almost exclusively be made up of Rangers supporters. Like the politics they feel obliged to adopt as an extension to their Rangers supporting, along with the obligation to present themselves as Royalists with reverence to The Crown, and again, the Orange Order is seen as something else that requires to be embraced.

Your average Rangers fan will support the UK Union, will support the Ulster Loyalist goal of Northern Ireland remaining in UK, will be strong supporters of the armed forces, will be supporters of the Royal Family, and in recent times, backing of the Israeli cause.

All of which are opinions and causes that anyone is entitled to stand behind in support, but how many Rangers fans genuinely align with any of those without it simply being an extension of their support for Rangers? They adopt those views only because they are Rangers fans.

The Orange Order is another example of that. The banner wasn’t directed at The Orange Order on its own, or even the Protestant faith. It was directed at Rangers.

The fact that so many automatically associate Rangers and the Orange Order with each other is a problem for them themselves to sort out. I suspect the Orange Order know anyway it’s not aimed directly at them.

Nice history lesson but everyone knows the OO are just using this and the sevco zombies as publicity and much needed oxygen for their dying organisation.

This should be thrown in the bin and I sincerely hope Hibs don't ever acknowledge them, far less take any action.

[Carheenlea]

For the casual observer, they are largely looked upon as a bit of a joke.

https://x.com/markguccimcghee/status/1730349002632134674?s=46

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Hopefully they will boycott Easter Road for the foreseeable future. Nazis and extremists I would agree are in minority of their away supporters, but the rest of them are just plain thick.

[DaveF]

For the casual observer, they are largely looked upon as a bit of a joke.

https://x.com/markguccimcghee/status/1730349002632134674?s=46

😂😂😂

[Is It On....]

How the hell does a banner like that highlight a campaign of hate against the 'wider protestant community'??

Many hibs fans are protestant ffs

I would guess the majority of Hibs fans are protestant..that lot really do love a complaint

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Well done the young guys for making the banner.

Can’t believe those freaks in the Orange Order are making a big deal about this, poor wee souls.

[007]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/wo2Kxz4zcCWrVJKS/

Image here

It's just asking them not to sing their sectarian songs.

[truehibernian]

For the casual observer, they are largely looked upon as a bit of a joke.

https://x.com/markguccimcghee/status/1730349002632134674?s=46

Sod the ‘dancing’ they obviously do really good buffets at Lodges judging by their waistlines 😂👍 I’m off to source an ill fitting shirt, some Terry towelling socks and some Tupperware for any leftovers 👍

[Paul1642]

Police Scotland should give the OO a 3 week ban for a frivolous appeal.

Away and dry yer bitter orange eyes, you bunch of bowler hat wearing weirdos.

Perhaps we could delay the ban until early July. You know, to give them time to appeal or something.

[BILLYHIBS]

Weirdos

[Baader]

Was that a poster named Doddy ? Haven't read his posts for a while

It was. Good poster, enjoyed reading Doddie's take on things. Very much missed.

As for the Orange Order they are just a joke. Club should tell them to do one.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

If hating those Andy Pandy lookalike roasters makes you a bigot, then I’m a bigot


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[PatHead]

It was. Good poster, enjoyed reading Doddie's take on things. Very much missed.

As for the Orange Order they are just a joke. Club should tell them to do one.

Was he the guy who loved Joe Harper?

[BobMilne]

www.werapeepulfthefenuwns.billy (http://www.werapeepulfthefenuwns.billy).


Link doesn't work pal.............:cb

[Victor]

Just when you thought Trump had cornered the market in self-centred pomposity, along come the OO and trump Trump. You seriously couldn’t make it up.


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[Fuzzywuzzy]

Right......so the orange order and the masons are not linked directly but are by the same people? Is that right.

I think I there are a few within my circle that are masons but deny it

[gbhibby]

Orange Order = Bigoted Organisation the banner if its the one I have seen is a cross through an orange sash, so could be interpretated as no bigots here.You have got to laugh.

[weecounty hibby]

It's not really git anything to do with football but if it upsets those knuckle dragging, neanderthal bigots whobspread hatred across Scotland then I'm OK with it. They are the biggest embarrassment to Scotland.
Edit 1. I'm from what would be described as a protestant family and the OO offend me more than the banner
Edit 2. Isn't it great that our 2016 cup win still gets right under their skin

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Right......so the orange order and the masons are not linked directly but are by the same people? Is that right.

I think I there are a few within my circle that are masons but deny it

No

There will be a fair amount of orange order members who are masons but the Masonic isn’t a sectarian organisation, there’s nothing stopping a catholic joining the masons apart from the Vatican saying they shouldn’t


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[Jim44]

How the hell does a banner like that highlight a campaign of hate against the 'wider protestant community'??

Many hibs fans are protestant ffs

I am Protestant, ( by birth and upbringing ) but I am ashamed of and detest these Orange barstewards.

[gbhibby]

Just when you thought Trump had cornered the market in self-centred pomposity, along come the OO and trump Trump. You seriously couldn’t make it up.


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Trump is an Orange man

[Bostonhibby]

Was he the guy who loved Joe Harper?[emoji23] pretty sure he was. Doddie was a great poster

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[Keith_M]

I take it the Orange Order would link any protests against the KKK as being racially offensive to white people.


What a bunch of morons.

[Bostonhibby]

When we were kids we always looked forward to their marches, we used to get potatoes from a field up the back from us and chuck them at them from a number of vantage points.

All these years later, as one gets older and wiser I often think of those poor potatoes and regret what we put them through.

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[Pretty Boy]

When we were kids we always looked forward to their marches, we used to get potatoes from a field up the back from us and chuck them at them from a number of vantage points.

All these years later, as one gets older and wiser I often think of those poor potatoes and regret what we put them through.

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My Granny used to tell stories of her Granny liberally showering them with horse **** when they marched past her tenement window on Leith Street.

I can't help but think that is a woman I would have got along just fine with.

[tamig]

How the hell does a banner like that highlight a campaign of hate against the 'wider protestant community'??

Many hibs fans are protestant ffs

That was my first thought. Outlandish comment in the extreme.

[0762]

I am Protestant, ( by birth and upbringing ) but I am ashamed of and detest these Orange barstewards.

Snap me two. They are nothing more than bigots who peddle hatred.
Wonder if they’ll be issuing a statement condemning the choir of sectarian singing from 3000 plus in the away end last week. I’ll not hold my breathe waiting.

[Bostonhibby]

My Granny used to tell stories of her Granny liberally showering them with horse **** when they marched past her tenement window on Leith Street.

I can't help but think that is a woman I would have got along just fine with.Same here,my maternal grandparents were born protestant but had no time for the marches and the sort of people they attracted.

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[Keith_M]

27649

[mcohibs]

I would guess the majority of Hibs fans are protestant..that lot really do love a complaint

Not that it matters but I’d guess most Hibs fans are of no religious affiliation. Certainly 90% of the ones I know.

[Pretty Boy]

Same here,my maternal grandparents were born protestant but had no time for the marches and the sort of people they attracted.

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I just can't be arsed worrying that much about what other people believe.

I'm a Catholic and the family on my maternal side all were. My dad is nominally Church of Scotland but never attends services, my wife is nominally Anglican but in reality an atheist, my kids were baptised Catholic but can believe what they like when they get older.

I really don't give a toss if someone is Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, agnostic, atheist or anything in between and it's not something I would ever ask anyone because it's not a deal breaker for me in any way. It's the people who weaponise any of that to hate others that I take issue with and the OO fall into that bracket imo. Most of the Protestants I know seem to feel the same way, they are a pretty niche little group that almost no one outside their own has much time for.

[Keith_M]

I just can't be arsed worrying that much about what other people believe.

I'm a Catholic and the family on my maternal side all were. My dad is nominally Church of Scotland but never attends services, my wife is nominally Anglican but in reality an atheist, my kids were baptised Catholic but can believe what they like when they get older.

I really don't give a toss if someone is Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, agnostic, atheist or anything in between and it's not something I would ever ask anyone because it's not a deal breaker for me in any way. It's the people who weaponise any of that to hate others that I take issue with and the OO fall into that bracket imo. Most of the Protestants I know seem to feel the same way, they are a pretty niche little group that almost no one outside their own has much time for.


:agree:

[Is It On....]

Somebody on here posted a link a few years ago to a paper called a "Very Edinburgh Riot"
by David Ritchie. It's about a bunch of anti Irish Catholic extremists that got 31% of the vote in Edinburgh in the 1930s. It's well worth reading and it came as a shock to me just how powerful these lunatics were at their peak.

[Bostonhibby]

I just can't be arsed worrying that much about what other people believe.

I'm a Catholic and the family on my maternal side all were. My dad is nominally Church of Scotland but never attends services, my wife is nominally Anglican but in reality an atheist, my kids were baptised Catholic but can believe what they like when they get older.

I really don't give a toss if someone is Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, agnostic, atheist or anything in between and it's not something I would ever ask anyone because it's not a deal breaker for me in any way. It's the people who weaponise any of that to hate others that I take issue with and the OO fall into that bracket imo.Very sensible and tolerant way to approach it.

There will be many of a certain persuasion who will never see the other persons perspective and will make every effort to ensure their families follow the "tradition" to the exclusion of all others.

Having weighed up a number of religions and what is often done in the cause of religion I much prefer atheism.

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[BILLYHIBS]

27649

Should have that sign outside the turnstiles to The South

[Bridge hibs]

Somebody on here posted a link a few years ago to a paper called a "Very Edinburgh Riot"
by David Ritchie. It's about a bunch of anti Irish Catholic extremists that got 31% of the vote in Edinburgh in the 1930s. It's well worth reading and it came as a shock to me just how powerful these lunatics were at their peak.

https://www.academia.edu/1079621/A_Very_Edinburgh_Riot

[Keith_M]

Should have that sign outside the turnstiles to The South


Sure, Billy, I'll see what I can do


:wink:

[gbhibby]

27649

This would make a brilliant road sign which locals should put up when the flying bigots visit your area to march through your main street.

[Kato]

I would guess the majority of Hibs fans are protestant..that lot really do love a complaintI would guess the majority of Hibs fans reflect the Scottish population in not practising any religion whatsoever.

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[Keith_M]

This would make a brilliant road sign which locals should put up when the flying bigots visit your area to march through your main street.


:aok:

[Is It On....]

https://www.academia.edu/1079621/A_Very_Edinburgh_Riot

Thank you kindly

[VoltaireHibs]

I could only listen to the game on the radio and catch highlights later. The usual songbook was out in full force from our visitors. Clear as day coming over the radio. Not a word about it. Deal with that then whine about a banner.

[Keith_M]

I think sometimes we just don't appreciate the Orange Order and what they do for our culture.

It's a little known fact that Paul Simon's agent nearly signed up one of their bands.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAVYZLUxaEw

[jacomo]

I thought it would be like black people using the N word so surely as a Protestant I can use the H word.


Indeed you can, as can I, but it would make no sense as despite being Protestants we aren’t ****. Thankfully.

To label it a sectarian term is an absolute joke and complete failure to deal with the real issue. It’s akin to being polite to Trump and expecting him to change his behaviour.

[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/SBEtQQZ7Z9I?si=-QIJuxS_Tag2Xv_N
Mason Boyne.

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[SHODAN]

Projection.

[Bridge hibs]

https://youtu.be/SBEtQQZ7Z9I?si=-QIJuxS_Tag2Xv_N
Mason Boyne.

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****, thought that said Martin Boyle !! He was ginger, not orange, phew

[Keith_M]

https://youtu.be/SBEtQQZ7Z9I?si=-QIJuxS_Tag2Xv_N
Mason Boyne.

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:greengrin

A brilliant portrayal by someone who was actually raised a catholic.

[Logie Green]

For the casual observer, they are largely looked upon as a bit of a joke.

https://x.com/markguccimcghee/status/1730349002632134674?s=46

Are they doing The Slosh to The Sash?

[Davy Mac]

Chancers, they are on the wind up, best ignored.

[Pretty Boy]

Are they doing The Slosh to The Sash?

There was a documentary on TV years ago called 'Faith, Flutes and Football' all about bigotry in Scotland. There was a couple featured who were in the Orange Order and on the face of it seemed fairly decent sorts.

Then it cut to them at a tea dance in the lodge dancing a waltz whilst someone sang asking if Bobby Sands fancied a chicken supper and call him a 'filthy fenian ****er'. It was a bizarre spectacle even by the standards you expect from them.

[Lancs Harp]

Living in England its hard to believe how sectarian Scotland is. On a football message board up north it comes up every other day. In England its a total non subject. Genuinely shocked.

[therealgavmac]

27650

[Alex Trager]

www.werapeepulfthefenuwns.billy.

It’s disappointing this is a fake. It really should be real.

[Iain G]

Surely the DUP involved? Where is Arlene Foster and her similarly non-thinking small minded band of haters?

[Rumble de Thump]

The authorites in Scotland haven't just allowed Sevco fans to get away with their sectarian behaviour for decades. They've now allowed Secvo fans to officially play the victim.

I think it was bizarrely helped along by Nil By Mouth, which incorrectly declared that the H word was a sectarian term. Then, more recently, some judges also labelled it as sectarian. The reasoning that was given for reaching that conclusion was utter nonsense and complete conjecture - essentially making it so that anyone using any word at all to negatively describe a Sevco fan would automatically be sectarian. The people responsible for this damaging bothsidesing and whataboutery have set back any effort to wipe out sectarianism in Scotland for generations, not that there ever seemed to be much effort.

[Soldiersteve]

Just when you thought Trump had cornered the market in self-centred pomposity, along come the OO and trump Trump. You seriously couldn’t make it up.


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:top marks

[gbhibby]

Living in England its hard to believe how sectarian Scotland is. On a football message board up north it comes up every other day. In England its a total non subject. Genuinely shocked.

I am sure they inflict a march on the population of Blackpool. I was on holiday a number of years ago and got chatting to some Man Utd fans who could not get their heads around my pal being a Protestant and being a Hibs fan.

[Kato]

Projection.Totally. Because every day, probably every hour their more fevered members think about how much they hate Catholics and Catholicism. Like, we're not all living in medieval times, ya bumpkins.

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[Alex Trager]

Should have that sign outside the turnstiles to The South

Hibs did put up a sign of ‘must not bring into the ground’s over the summer. We should ask for the orange man to be added.

[Victor]

27649

How big a banner would it be possible to make, with this on it, for the next Rangers match? Or could we have one of those displays where everyone in the east stand has a bit of the display on their seat? ( I know there is a name for it, but I can’t be bothered researching it). Also I think this should be displayed in every pub in the Easter Road area on Rangers match days.

[Lancs Harp]

I am sure they inflict a march on the population of Blackpool. I was on holiday a number of years ago and got chatting to some Man Utd fans who could not get their heads around my pal being a Protestant and being a Hibs fan.

Born and bred in Blackpool mate never heard of such a thing. Will say however Rangers have a big support in Blackpool

[Glory Lurker]

Man. Can't us atheists just be left alone to get on with our lives?

[Bostonhibby]

Man. Can't us atheists just be left alone to get on with our lives?Agnostic atheism is the future[emoji16]

Is there enough of us to challenge the Fat guys in bowler hats to a tug of war instead of all that idiotic marching about dressed as Captain Mainwaring in his day job?

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[gbhibby]

Born and bred in Blackpool mate never heard of such a thing. Will say however Rangers have a big support in Blackpoolhttps://youtu.be/UbYd_0Led1U?si=ysNytCacMvjMoqQb

As well as Blackpool they march in Benidorm and Southport


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[mcohibs]

Man. Can't us atheists just be left alone to get on with our lives?

I know. God help us.

[McD]

I just can't be arsed worrying that much about what other people believe.

I'm a Catholic and the family on my maternal side all were. My dad is nominally Church of Scotland but never attends services, my wife is nominally Anglican but in reality an atheist, my kids were baptised Catholic but can believe what they like when they get older.

I really don't give a toss if someone is Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, agnostic, atheist or anything in between and it's not something I would ever ask anyone because it's not a deal breaker for me in any way. It's the people who weaponise any of that to hate others that I take issue with and the OO fall into that bracket imo. Most of the Protestants I know seem to feel the same way, they are a pretty niche little group that almost no one outside their own has much time for.


Great post PB, and an excellent description of how most sensible and non-bigoted people go about their lives.

[Lancs Harp]

https://youtu.be/UbYd_0Led1U?si=ysNytCacMvjMoqQb

As well as Blackpool they march in Benidorm and Southport


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Back in 2011 and news to me mate.

[Bostonhibby]

I know. God help us.Praise be to the.........?????????

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[gbhibby]

Back in 2011 and news to me mate.
Saw another video of a march which took place more recently in Blackpool can't find it though. There are Orange marches in a number of places I think Manchester and Burnley have Marches. I had a relation that moved to Manchester in the late 70s and was surprised at the level of bigotry at time he encountered in Manchester.

[Tambo]

Can't help but laugh at this report to the police.

They have a march here in my hometown of Corby and there is also a loyalist flute band, plenty of Fenian this Fenian that also.

Half of them don't even have a clue about rangers.

[Lancs Harp]

Can't help but laugh at this report to the police.

They have a march here in my hometown of Corby and there is also a loyalist flute band, plenty of Fenian this Fenian that also.

Half of them don't even have a clue about rangers.

All exiles im guessing. Corby has the biggest percentage of Scots in any town in England. Steel thing I think. Great export not.

[gbhibby]

Can't help but laugh at this report to the police.

They have a march here in my hometown of Corby and there is also a loyalist flute band, plenty of Fenian this Fenian that also.

Half of them don't even have a clue about rangers.

Corby known as little Scotland.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Surely the DUP involved? Where is Arlene Foster and her small minded band of haters?

🤣

As incredible as it seems, Arlene was considered to be on the moderate, progressive wing of the DUP!

[matty_f]

The authorites in Scotland haven't just allowed Sevco fans to get away with their sectarian behaviour for decades. They've now allowed Secvo fans to officially play the victim.

I think it was bizarrely helped along by Nil By Mouth, which incorrectly declared that the H word was was a sectarian term. Then, more recently, some judges also labelled it as sectarian. The reasoning that was given for reaching that conclusion was utter nonsense and complete conjecture - essentially making it so that anyone using any word at all to negatively describe a Sevco fan would automatically be sectarian. The people responsible for this damaging bothsidesing and whataboutery have set back any effort to wipe out sectarianism in Scotland for generations, not that there ever seemed to be much effort.

Correct. The grasping for equivalence that would allow Rangers fans to show Celtic fans were just as bad as them has led to the h word being appropriated as a sectarian insult without it ever really being the intention (at least not to the majority of people).

Nil by Mouth, while presumably having good intentions, just stoked endless whataboutery rather than helping get on top of the situation.

[gbhibby]

The authorites in Scotland haven't just allowed Sevco fans to get away with their sectarian behaviour for decades. They've now allowed Secvo fans to officially play the victim.

I think it was bizarrely helped along by Nil By Mouth, which incorrectly declared that the H word was was a sectarian term. Then, more recently, some judges also labelled it as sectarian. The reasoning that was given for reaching that conclusion was utter nonsense and complete conjecture - essentially making it so that anyone using any word at all to negatively describe a Sevco fan would automatically be sectarian. The people responsible for this damaging bothsidesing and whataboutery have set back any effort to wipe out sectarianism in Scotland for generations, not that there ever seemed to be much effort.
Great Post but a long as the turnstiles keep clicking nothing will change.
The Rangers are complicit in keeping the kettle boiling by appealing to their fans by introducing orange strips and orange training tops as they know their bigoted fans will lap it up.

[Greensunshine]

Strange behaviour from a bunch of weirdo’s

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

https://youtu.be/SBEtQQZ7Z9I?si=-QIJuxS_Tag2Xv_N
Mason Boyne.

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Had never heard of or seen this before, was this on the bbc?! Even nowadays I can’t imagine many folk being willing to make a series of sketches ripping the **** out of the Orange Order, never mind (based entirely on what my mother’s told me it was like trying to get a job for many catholics in West Lothian/Lanarkshire/Falkirk area in the 70s and 80s) back then.


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[VoltaireHibs]

I know we can't use the H word anymore, but even prior to it's banning me and my mates referred to then as Orcs. Ibrox obviously being Mordor.

[sadtom]

Surely the DUP involved? Where is Arlene Foster and her small minded band of haters?
The DUP…the political wing of the Old Testament.

The OO are bullies who stamp their feet to get what they want. The should be opposed at every turn.
Next time they are here we should absolutely plaster the streets with thousands of those signs and have many more thousands in the ground.
Just as hating the KKK doesn’t make you anti-white. Hating the OO doesn’t make you anti-Protestant…it just makes you a decent human being.

In the spirit of our club and our fight to be recognised from the get go in the face of Orange bigotry we should take them on. NEVER cow down to them.
Can you just imagine if they are getting their panties in in a pickle over 1 wee banner can you imagine their reaction if everytime those freaks are belting out their filth that we display thousands of them.
The club should actively support that too. And announce that bigoted hate groups like the OO are not and never will be welcome at Easter Road.

If these weirdoes want a fight…bring it on you ****kicking simpletons.

[Clarence]

Mammy… Daddy… Polis!

[hibsbollah]

Had never heard of or seen this before, was this on the bbc?! Even nowadays I can’t imagine many folk being willing to make a series of sketches ripping the **** out of the Orange Order, never mind (based entirely on what my mother’s told me it was like trying to get a job for many catholics in West Lothian/Lanarkshire/Falkirk area in the 70s and 80s) back then.


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Robbie Coltrane was scared of no-one. Punk sensibilities sadly missing today, RIP big yin.

[Aldo]

I wonder how the media outlets will report this?

[Bostonhibby]

I wonder how the media outlets will report this?I can see them mounting a full on campaign to wipe sectarianism out once and for all.

Full frontal expose on the singing of banned hate songs and campaign to prosecute all identified then ban them from football grounds.

Or maybe not, in 21st Century Scotland. Forever a blight on what is otherwise a forward looking nation.

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[Jim44]

There’s a post on FB about the flares in the Rangers end. It references the constant sectarian singing as well. Ironically, according to FF, the Orange Order have made a formal complaint about the ‘disgusting, sectarian, Hibs banner.

[gbhibby]

Had never heard of or seen this before, was this on the bbc?! Even nowadays I can’t imagine many folk being willing to make a series of sketches ripping the **** out of the Orange Order, never mind (based entirely on what my mother’s told me it was like trying to get a job for many catholics in West Lothian/Lanarkshire/Falkirk area in the 70s and 80s) back then.


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Yes it was on the BBC, there are a lots of Videos on YouTube of Mason Boyne.

[Aldo]

I can see them mounting a full on campaign to wipe sectarianism out once and for all.

Full frontal expose on the singing of banned hate songs and campaign to prosecute all identifiedcsings and ban them from football grounds.

Or maybe not, in 21st Century Scotland. Forever a blight on what is otherwise a forward looking nation.

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Probably not far from the truth BH.

Let’s see if they take the high ground in all this when and if they report it!

[Bostonhibby]

Probably not far from the truth BH.

Let’s see if they take the high ground in all this when and if they report it!More likely it'll be spun as some sort of freedom they are defending. The right to sing about killing particular groups of people because of their religion.





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[Aldo]

More likely it'll be spun as some sort of freedom they are defending. The right to sing about killing particular groups of people because of their religion.





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Would more than likely be written in a manner to offend everyone else but them.

[LunasBoots]

What a strange bunch, obviously didn't attend the game and hear what was sung by the away end, Billy boys, songs about chapels....and so on.

[Carheenlea]

https://youtu.be/SBEtQQZ7Z9I?si=-QIJuxS_Tag2Xv_N
Mason Boyne.


You could have inserted the Orange Order’s statement into Robbie Coltrane’s parody sketch and you would be none the wiser that it was actually genuine .

[Iain G]

Getting to a point where these people should be neutered as the only way to kill off these backwards, hatred, small minded, ****ing weird attitudes to the world.

[DanishJohn]

The basis of all the nonsense that is thrown about by certain Rangers fans is founded in ignorance.

Here is two things they wouldn't have a clue about.

Get them to talk you through the Battle of the Boyne (they probably don't know the composition of both armies. Thousands of Catholic troops fighting for Wullie and thousands of Protestant troops fighting for Jimmy. They were doing it for money.)

Their fondness for all things Orange and the sentimental attachment to The Netherlands (Prince of Orange etc)
As at 2020 it was reported that as far as religion goes the Netherlands are 55% irreligious
19.8% Catholic
14.4% Protestant

Perhaps it's a subject that should be addressed in schools ?

[Logie Green]

The basis of all the nonsense that is thrown about by certain Rangers fans is founded in ignorance.

Here is two things they wouldn't have a clue about.

Get them to talk you through the Battle of the Boyne (they probably don't know the composition of both armies. Thousands of Catholic troops fighting for Wullie and thousands of Protestant troops fighting for Jimmy. They were doing it for money.)

Their fondness for all things Orange and the sentimental attachment to The Netherlands (Prince of Orange etc)
As at 2020 it was reported that as far as religion goes the Netherlands are 55% irreligious
19.8% Catholic
14.4% Protestant

Perhaps it's a subject that should be addressed in schools ?

Kafflik schools or Proddy schools?

[Brizo]

The authorites in Scotland haven't just allowed Sevco fans to get away with their sectarian behaviour for decades. They've now allowed Secvo fans to officially play the victim.

I think it was bizarrely helped along by Nil By Mouth, which incorrectly declared that the H word was a sectarian term. Then, more recently, some judges also labelled it as sectarian. The reasoning that was given for reaching that conclusion was utter nonsense and complete conjecture - essentially making it so that anyone using any word at all to negatively describe a Sevco fan would automatically be sectarian. The people responsible for this damaging bothsidesing and whataboutery have set back any effort to wipe out sectarianism in Scotland for generations, not that there ever seemed to be much effort.

100%

Its a word first used to describe the **** by the NE of England press when fans of The Rangers rioted in Newcastle at an early 60's Fairs Cup game and the local press described them as behaving like rampaging ****. The fact that they've deliberately reinterpreted it as some kind of religious slur to deflect from their use of words like "tarrier" and "taig" shows the levels of deluded and dangerous victimhood they practice.

As an aside we cant expect our clubs or politicians to take any action or stand up to their bigotry when a supporter's site like this has bowed to their agenda and taken the policy to asterix out the word ***.

[xbar81]

haha. So funny, brass neck as someone said

[hibsbollah]

100%

Its a word first used to describe the **** by the NE of England press when fans of The Rangers rioted in Newcastle at an early 60's Fairs Cup game and the local press described them as behaving like rampaging ****. The fact that they've deliberately reinterpreted it as some kind of religious slur to deflect from their use of words like "tarrier" and "taig" shows the levels of deluded and dangerous victimhood they practice.

As an aside we cant expect our clubs or politicians to take any action or stand up to their bigotry when a supporter's site like this has bowed to their agenda and taken the policy to asterix out the word ***.

I used the H word all the time to refer to that particular club. But i really have no problem not using from now on, if that helps all parties make sectarianism of all kinds socially unacceptable. It really doesn’t bother me one bit.

[HNA12]

100%

Its a word first used to describe the **** by the NE of England press when fans of The Rangers rioted in Newcastle at an early 60's Fairs Cup game and the local press described them as behaving like rampaging ****. The fact that they've deliberately reinterpreted it as some kind of religious slur to deflect from their use of words like "tarrier" and "taig" shows the levels of deluded and dangerous victimhood they practice.

As an aside we cant expect our clubs or politicians to take any action or stand up to their bigotry when a supporter's site like this has bowed to their agenda and taken the policy to asterix out the word ***.

Here’s a link to the announcement we made when we decided to asterix it out and why.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?364359-A-new-Addition-to-the-Swear-Filter&p=7495771&highlight=#post7495771

I think we are all scratching our heads as to why the court took the ridiculous decision to classify the term as sectarian, hopefully that is subjected to a legal challenge soon. Maybe concentrate fire on the real villains here for now though?

[Brizo]

Here’s a link to the announcement we made when we decided to asterix it out and why.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?364359-A-new-Addition-to-the-Swear-Filter&p=7495771&highlight=#post7495771

I think we are all scratching our heads as to why the court took the ridiculous decision to classify the term as sectarian, hopefully that is subjected to a legal challenge soon. Maybe concentrate fire on the real villains here for now though?


Id dropped off here for a while so didn't know that and cheers for explaining

I'm perfectly aware who the real villains are and not here to reopen discussions regarding the word that have gone on before.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

My kids were at catholic primarys. Always interesting seeing reactions that you'd get when it comes up in a conversation with folk you don't know.

I'm atheist and wife/kids are catholic. It meant a lot for my wife for them to be christened as such.

I've got a *** friend that hates being called a *** and thinks it is a justification for some of the bigoted/racist **** that he occasionally comes out with. You can't help stupid

[VoltaireHibs]

My kids were at catholic primarys. Always interesting seeing reactions that you'd get when it comes up in a conversation with folk you don't know.

I'm atheist and wife/kids are catholic. It meant a lot for my wife for them to be christened as such.

I've got a *** friend that hates being called a *** and thinks it is a justification for some of the bigoted/racist **** that he occasionally comes out with. You can't help stupid


You have a friend that comes out with racist, bigoted chat? Hm. Maybe he likes your questionable use name.

[Carheenlea]

I’ve a Rangers supporting friend whose email address included the word *** in his title.

Everyone knows it’s a nickname given to Rangers fans, they know that, and we know that, which makes the elevation of the word into what is deemed a sectarian slur even more preposterous.

As has been pointed out above, it’s simply been manipulated in what was a pretty lame deflection tactic, yet the authorities bizarrely fell for it.

[basehibby]

Hibs should offer a deal - we ban the banner and the Police ban every Orange March in Scotland - in perpetuity!

These OO muppets have some brass neck - they are offensive by their very nature!

[Pagan Hibernia]

I’ve a Rangers supporting friend whose email address included the word *** in his title.

Everyone knows it’s a nickname given to Rangers fans, they know that, and we know that, which makes the elevation of the word into what is deemed a sectarian slur even more preposterous.

As has been pointed out above, it’s simply been manipulated in what was a pretty lame deflection tactic, yet the authorities bizarrely fell for it.

In Northern Ireland it's a bit more than just a nickname for Rangers and their fans. It's a genuinely sectarian slur on those of a unionist persuasion, and to a large degree that means its largely aimed at protestants.

You're right though, in Scotland it's rangers and that's all.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

You have a friend that comes out with racist, bigoted chat? Hm. Maybe he likes your questionable use name.

That was addressed when I joined the forum. Happy to change it though

[Mike Berry]

I wonder if the Lodge has reported Rangers fans for singing "Billy Boys" towards the end of the game?

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[Smartie]

This is the sort of pish that inevitably results when you take the route of appeasement, which sadly Hibs (amongst others) have in recent years.

[xbar81]

should we surrender to them?

[Bostonhibby]

In Northern Ireland it's a bit more than just a nickname for Rangers and their fans. It's a genuinely sectarian slur on those of a unionist persuasion, and to a large degree that means its largely aimed at protestants.

You're right though, in Scotland it's rangers and that's all.It's ironic that it was fans of the now defunct Glasgow rangers who went on the rampage in their beloved England that led to the English media of the time labelling the now defunct teams fans ****. Religion and sectarianism wasn't anything to do with it.

They won't do irony. 2 syllables.

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[Tambo]

Corby known as little Scotland.

Yep, not as much of little Scotland these days though.

Can get a bit awkward wearing my green and white bar scarf especially after a game between those two.

[Septimus]

Right......so the orange order and the masons are not linked directly but are by the same people? Is that right.

I think I there are a few within my circle that are masons but deny it

I do not know about Scottish Masonry but I do know that joining the masons in England requires that you are not a member of a “pseudo” Masonic organisation. Membership of the orange order would therefore preclude membership of the masons.

[MrSmith]

I hate the OO with a vengeance! They are a disgusting vile stain on Scotland and should be treated as a hate group that incites terrorism. They have ruined the Masonic Order (MO) and infected all the good work done by the MO to satisfy and impart their own inbred hatred. I so f*****g hate them! As an add, I'm atheist.

[tamig]

For the casual observer, they are largely looked upon as a bit of a joke.

https://x.com/markguccimcghee/status/1730349002632134674?s=46

That archway with the coloured balloons was lovely.

[MrSmith]

I do not know about Scottish Masonry but I do know that joining the masons in England requires that you are not a member of a “pseudo” Masonic organisation. Membership of the orange order would therefore preclude membership of the masons.

Same in Oz. My buddy just went through initiation recently and he told me they do not allow politics, religion or race to infect the lodge or brought into it for that matter.

[mutley]

I do not know about Scottish Masonry but I do know that joining the masons in England requires that you are not a member of a “pseudo” Masonic organisation. Membership of the orange order would therefore preclude membership of the masons.

Not quite right there, I know many members both north and south of the border that are Freemasons. I know there are members of a Masonic lodge in London that are also members of Orange Order in London


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[mutley]

Same in Oz. My buddy just went through initiation recently and he told me they do not allow politics, religion or race to infect the lodge or brought into it for that matter.

Yes, in Freemasonry , it is forbidden to discuss religion or politics within the lodge, but it is open to anyone of any religion


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[mutley]

I hate the OO with a vengeance! They are a disgusting vile stain on Scotland and should be treated as a hate group that incites terrorism. They have ruined the Masonic Order (MO) and infected all the good work done by the MO to satisfy and impart their own inbred hatred. I so f*****g hate them! As an add, I'm atheist.

100% the fact that some people think they are linked because the use similar terminology , but the OO should be banned (certainly should be banned within the MO as it goes against Masonic values IMO)


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[Torto7]

Freemasonry has been lumped in with that lot for some reason. The Masons are the main reason we escaped servitude in the past.

[Iain G]

100% the fact that some people think they are linked because the use similar terminology , but the OO should be banned (certainly should be banned within the MO as it goes against Masonic values IMO)


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Can we not just get rid of the lot of these weirdo outdated cults? Add in those wackjob Scientologist while we are at it.

[MrSmith]

100% the fact that some people think they are linked because the use similar terminology , but the OO should be banned (certainly should be banned within the MO as it goes against Masonic values IMO)


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Yep total ban from every humanist MO lodge in Scotland at the very least. Full root and branch clear out is required in Glasgow and a fair bit of the west coast as they (OO) have infiltrated the good standing of the MO and its historical wellbeing.

[Keith_M]

This man walks into a bar up the Falls Road with a crocodile on a leash. 'Excuse me, he says to the barman, 'do you serve Orangemen?'

'Yes, says the barman, 'we're fairly liberal.'

'Well, says the customer, 'give me a pint of Guinness and two Orangemen for the crocodile.'

[Kato]

Not quite right there, I know many members both north and south of the border that are Freemasons. I know there are members of a Masonic lodge in London that are also members of Orange Order in London


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[Is It On....]

Man. Can't us atheists just be left alone to get on with our lives?

As Billy Connolly once joked, "is that a catholic aethist or a protestant aethist..."

[MrSmith]

As Billy Connolly once joked, "is that a catholic aethist or a protestant aethist..."

Billy is special :greengrin we’ll be an atheists atheist :flag:

[JimBHibees]

The Masons are the main reason we escaped servitude in the past.

What does that mean?

[VoltaireHibs]

Freemasonry has been lumped in with that lot for some reason. The Masons are the main reason we escaped servitude in the past.


I suppose it depends on who you mean by 'we'?

The masons were absolutely key to British Empire building. Also deeply anti-Semitic, racist (In the States there is still, to this day, black lodges and white lodges.) and the level of corruption re the police would take years to uncover.

So yeah, who is this 'we'?

The very original stonemasons were a decent bunch, the later developments, nah.

[Torto7]

What does that mean?

European plebs i.e us set up orders where trades skills were passed on. That's what lead to them collecting more wealth and eventually gaining things like basic human rights.

[Torto7]

I suppose it depends on who you mean by 'we'?

The masons were absolutely key to British Empire building. Also deeply anti-Semitic, racist (In the States there is still, to this day, black lodges and white lodges.) and the level of corruption re the police would take years to uncover.

So yeah, who is this 'we'?

The very original stonemasons were a decent bunch, the later developments, nah.

It goes back far longer than the British Empire. If teachings are diluted by ambitious people with poor morals it isn't the initial messages fault merely the corrupt person.

I would argue with that the protestant system that exists to this day as the preeminent power in the World(US, West) wasn't a bad thing. The British Empire wasn't all bad just like it wasn't all good. I'm mostly Irish Catholic stock but I can't be arsed with goodies and baddies narratives.

[VoltaireHibs]

It goes back far longer than the British Empire. If teachings are diluted by ambitious people with poor morals it isn't the initial messages fault merely the corrupt person.

I would argue with that the protestant system that exists to this day as the preeminent power in the World(US, West) wasn't a bad thing. The British Empire wasn't all bad just like it wasn't all good. I'm mostly Irish Catholic stock but I can't be arsed with goodies and baddies narratives.

I don't disagree with all you've written there, but I would take issue with parts of it, but it's not really a chat for here. 👍

[cubehindthegoal]

I thought it would be like black people using the N word so surely as a Protestant I can use the H word.

:greengrin
... take it that it was a hon that made that ruling ...so sad the state of scotland, or rather some people in our country :(

[Dashing Bob S]

I actually preferred them when they were simply obnoxious dumb bigoted bullies. The switch to whinging bleating victims is even more unedifying.

[sadtom]

Contrary to what has been said on a couple of earlier posts.
You cannot be a mason and a Catholic.

While the masons can get around discrimination laws by explicitly stating that they are open to all. The reality is that masons are required never to divulge the ‘secrets’. To be a practicing Roman Catholic you are required to confess your sins.
The two are not compatible. You cannot be both.

As for the OO complaining about the wee banner. We should absolutely take them on over this.
Hand out thousands of them before the next game. And every time they are belting out any of their rancid, bigoted filth we should all do our civic duty and in unison hold up the banners en mass to highlight every incident of sectarianism.
Think of it as a visual aid to remind their lackies in the press, who are either complicit or too terrified of the potential backlash. That what they are doing is not creating an ‘incredible atmosphere’ et al. It is naked, racist bigotry. If the authorities are too scared of them to call it what it is…we should never be afraid to do so, ever.

If every time they start chanting any of their questionable p1$h, it should be met with a sea of the ‘no orange bigots here’ posters.
Watching their empty, orange heads explode would be priceless.

[mutley]

Contrary to what has been said on a couple of earlier posts.
You cannot be a mason and a Catholic.

While the masons can get around discrimination laws by explicitly stating that they are open to all. The reality is that masons are required never to divulge the ‘secrets’. To be a practicing Roman Catholic you are required to confess your sins.
The two are not compatible. You cannot be both.

As for the OO complaining about the wee banner. We should absolutely take them on over this.
Hand out thousands of them before the next game. And every time they are belting out any of their rancid, bigoted filth we should all do our civic duty and in unison hold up the banners en mass to highlight every incident of sectarianism.
Think of it as a visual aid to remind their lackies in the press, who are either complicit or too terrified of the potential backlash. That what they are doing is not creating an ‘incredible atmosphere’ et al. It is naked, racist bigotry. If the authorities are too scared of them to call it what it is…we should never be afraid to do so, ever.

If every time they start chanting any of their questionable p1$h, it should be met with a sea of the ‘no orange bigots here’ posters.
Watching their empty, orange heads explode would be priceless.

Just to confirm the stat of your post “you cannot be a mason and a catholic”

That was decided but the catholic church, NOT by freemasonry , ANYONE of any faith / religion is welcome to join freemasonry.

Yes it had been stated earlier about the issues in American (which are now becoming slowly resolved with regards to racism ).

Freemasonry began in Scotland , spread across the UK and then the world mainly die to the British military and the expansion of the British empire .

But I guess we are digressing from the original topic


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[Hibrandenburg]

Contrary to what has been said on a couple of earlier posts.
You cannot be a mason and a Catholic.

While the masons can get around discrimination laws by explicitly stating that they are open to all. The reality is that masons are required never to divulge the ‘secrets’. To be a practicing Roman Catholic you are required to confess your sins.
The two are not compatible. You cannot be both.

As for the OO complaining about the wee banner. We should absolutely take them on over this.
Hand out thousands of them before the next game. And every time they are belting out any of their rancid, bigoted filth we should all do our civic duty and in unison hold up the banners en mass to highlight every incident of sectarianism.
Think of it as a visual aid to remind their lackies in the press, who are either complicit or too terrified of the potential backlash. That what they are doing is not creating an ‘incredible atmosphere’ et al. It is naked, racist bigotry. If the authorities are too scared of them to call it what it is…we should never be afraid to do so, ever.

If every time they start chanting any of their questionable p1$h, it should be met with a sea of the ‘no orange bigots here’ posters.
Watching their empty, orange heads explode would be priceless.

All that would do is give them the attention they so dearly crave. All they're after is a reaction, why reward them with one?

[sadtom]

Just to confirm the stat of your post “you cannot be a mason and a catholic”

That was decided but the catholic church, NOT by freemasonry , ANYONE of any faith / religion is welcome to join freemasonry.

Yes it had been stated earlier about the issues in American (which are now becoming slowly resolved with regards to racism ).

Freemasonry began in Scotland , spread across the UK and then the world mainly die to the British military and the expansion of the British empire .

But I guess we are digressing from the original topic


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It’s no big deal, but Catholicism existed long before Freemasonry. As such the requirement to attend confession for catholics had been long established before masonry insisted that its members kept the ‘secrets’.

So I don’t know how that can be stated that it was the Catholic Church who made the decision.
While the masons may state they are open to all, it is undeniable that masonry and the protestant faith has gone hand in hand. I don’t believe that them insisting on a ‘rule’, that they would have known catholics cannot comply with, is in anyway coincidental.

But as you say, we digress.

[sadtom]

All that would do is give them the attention they so dearly crave. All they're after is a reaction, why reward them with one?

I don’t really care what their rationale is.
We should never be afraid of them and never cow down to them.
Society in Scotland has turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to orange bigotry for way too long.
Silence is consent.

They want a fight? Let’s give them one.
Hibernian have always been fighters and pioneers. Let’s do our bit to challenge their medieval garbage and try to drag Scottish society kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

[Gettin' Auld]

The image on the banner looks more like a workman in a hard hat and hi-viz.....:greengrin

[Carheenlea]

I mentioned it on the match updates thread ahead of KO last Wednesday, but I’m surprised Barrie’s reference to them as “The Rangers” during the pre match build up didn’t attract some of their ire.

Thought that might have prompted more statements and table thumping than a logo adorning a small poster held up in the crowd.

Mind you, most of you wouldn’t have heard it as you took your seats a minute from KO…! The home stands were empty 10/15 mins from KO but the away end was full (and over populated) well ahead of the start.

[VoltaireHibs]

I actually preferred them when they were simply obnoxious dumb bigoted bullies. The switch to whinging bleating victims is even more unedifying.

Oh they're still bullies, they've just switched from violence and threats to passive aggressiveness to suit the current social climate of perceived victimhood which is the posture du jour.

[DickieDastardly]

How the hell does a banner like that highlight a campaign of hate against the 'wider protestant community'??

Many Hibs fans are protestant ffs

I would think the majority of Hibs fans are protestant, or certainly none catholic (i.e don't care either way).

No-one I go to games with are catholic, frankly none are interested in religion and it's never discussed.

It's just one half of the ugly sisters trying to bring everyone down to their level - I wish the pair of them would clear off and take their poisonous fans with them.

[O'Rourke3]

Contrary to what has been said on a couple of earlier posts.
You cannot be a mason and a Catholic.

While the masons can get around discrimination laws by explicitly stating that they are open to all. The reality is that masons are required never to divulge the ‘secrets’. To be a practicing Roman Catholic you are required to confess your sins.
The two are not compatible. You cannot be both.

As for the OO complaining about the wee banner. We should absolutely take them on over this.
Hand out thousands of them before the next game. And every time they are belting out any of their rancid, bigoted filth we should all do our civic duty and in unison hold up the banners en mass to highlight every incident of sectarianism.
Think of it as a visual aid to remind their lackies in the press, who are either complicit or too terrified of the potential backlash. That what they are doing is not creating an ‘incredible atmosphere’ et al. It is naked, racist bigotry. If the authorities are too scared of them to call it what it is…we should never be afraid to do so, ever.

If every time they start chanting any of their questionable p1$h, it should be met with a sea of the ‘no orange bigots here’ posters.
Watching their empty, orange heads explode would be priceless.Out of curiosity only, Where's the sin in being a Mason? Is the fact of keeping a secret? ,

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[OstKurve Hibs]

Next time we play them at hame, full East stand, every supporter there hold up the same banner. Fk the sticky clowns

[linlithgowhibbie]

Contrary to what has been said on a couple of earlier posts.
You cannot be a mason and a Catholic.

While the masons can get around discrimination laws by explicitly stating that they are open to all. The reality is that masons are required never to divulge the ‘secrets’. To be a practicing Roman Catholic you are required to confess your sins.
The two are not compatible. You cannot be both.

As for the OO complaining about the wee banner. We should absolutely take them on over this.
Hand out thousands of them before the next game. And every time they are belting out any of their rancid, bigoted filth we should all do our civic duty and in unison hold up the banners en mass to highlight every incident of sectarianism.
Think of it as a visual aid to remind their lackies in the press, who are either complicit or too terrified of the potential backlash. That what they are doing is not creating an ‘incredible atmosphere’ et al. It is naked, racist bigotry. If the authorities are too scared of them to call it what it is…we should never be afraid to do so, ever.

If every time they start chanting any of their questionable p1$h, it should be met with a sea of the ‘no orange bigots here’ posters.
Watching their empty, orange heads explode would be priceless.

Sorry Sadtom,
My dad was a Mason in Lodge no5 Leith in the 60s. He was a Catholic.

[VoltaireHibs]

Sorry Sadtom,
My dad was a Mason in Lodge no5 Leith in the 60s. He was a Catholic.

It does happen, but the black ball system of entry to a lodge means it just requires one idiot and the answer is no. I'm never sure why a catholic would want to join a lodge, cheap drink aside.

[Kato]

Contrary to what has been said on a couple of earlier posts.
You cannot be a mason and a Catholic.

While the masons can get around discrimination laws by explicitly stating that they are open to all. The reality is that masons are required never to divulge the ‘secrets’. To be a practicing Roman Catholic you are required to confess your sins.
The two are not compatible. You cannot be both.

As for the OO complaining about the wee banner. We should absolutely take them on over this.
Hand out thousands of them before the next game. And every time they are belting out any of their rancid, bigoted filth we should all do our civic duty and in unison hold up the banners en mass to highlight every incident of sectarianism.
Think of it as a visual aid to remind their lackies in the press, who are either complicit or too terrified of the potential backlash. That what they are doing is not creating an ‘incredible atmosphere’ et al. It is naked, racist bigotry. If the authorities are too scared of them to call it what it is…we should never be afraid to do so, ever.

If every time they start chanting any of their questionable p1$h, it should be met with a sea of the ‘no orange bigots here’ posters.
Watching their empty, orange heads explode would be priceless.The Catholic Church banned its own flock from joining the MO in the 1730s, which was a political move rather than anything to do with "sin". The Inquisition was involved somewhere down the line, which I didn't expect.

I'm wondering which of the MOs secrets are sinful these days as membership alone is seen as a sin to be punished by excommunication. The only people the MO bans are those members of pseudo lodges, as mentioned above.

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[overdrive]

I know of at least one Catholic (and Celtic fan) who is a freemason. Most masons I know are Hibs fans (appreciate I could know more masons that I don't know are masons). Only aware of knowing one mason that was a Rangers fan.

[Pretty Boy]

Out of curiosity only, Where's the sin in being a Mason? Is the fact of keeping a secret? ,

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Pope Clement XII was the first Pope to ban membership of Freemasonry because it was said to accept that all religions were of equal standing and worth, that flies in the face of the Catholic belief that we are the 'one, true faith'. Of course post the Second Vatican Council the Church is far less exclusive; ecumenical and inter faith relationships are recognised as vitally important these days. There is also a Masonic belief that they provide a higher and unifying understanding of virtue and membership may be prized above membership of the Church. As revolutions swept Europe and secular thought started to usurp religion in the corridors of power a secular fraternal organisation like the Masons was a target of ire for the Church. The ban was largely political rather than theological.

Add to that Masonry has some imagery and rituals that are evidently pseudo religious. Temples, altars, services, vestments and robes, feast days, a leadership hierarchy, initiation rites, burial rites and indeed a moral code and discussions around eternal reward or damnation. It was also said that Masons express a desire to find 'light' during their initiation and further to declare said light could not be found through any other organisation (I have no idea if that is true, perhaps any Masons on here can clarify?). There was also rumour that upon intiation to the real upper echelons of Freemasonry a Mason had to crush a depiction of both the Papal tiara and a royal crown by stamping on it. Again I have no idea if that is truth or rumour. Finally the taking of any oath pledged with belief in a higher power that is outside the Church is largely frowned upon. With all that you can see why the Church and Freemasonry were uneasy bedfellows.

Incidentally post Vatican II there was a few years of confusion when it was felt the ban on joining had been lifted and that confusion remained throughout the 70s. In 1983 Pope John Paul reiterated that the ban was still in force, however membership no longer meant excommunication. These days a Catholic who joins the Masons is understood to be living in 'grave sin' and would be unable to receive the sacraments (most pressingly Holy Communion) until they had confessed their sin, repented and completed penance. Having taking an oath to protect the secrets of Freemasonry you can see why there would be a conflict of interest. You can't get back in favour with the Church without confessing the sin but you can't confess the sin without breaking your Masonic oath.

Clear as mud:greengrin:greengrin

I'll add that for your average Catholic and indeed your average Priest being a Mason probably wouldn't be an issue at all. There is all kinds of 'rule breaking' that goes on at Parish level. I have a friend who is divorced and regularly receives Communion with the full knowledge of his Priest. My own Parish has baptised children of at least 2 same sex couples with a same sex couple as Godparents and the reaction was 'isn't that lovely' rather than 'isn't that sinful'. Like most things the politics is for the powerful desperate to maintain their position rather than the rank and file.

[Pretty Boy]

The Catholic Church banned its own flock from joining the MO in the 1730s, which was a political move rather than anything to do with "sin". The Inquisition was involved somewhere down the line, which I didn't expect.

I'm wondering which of the MOs secrets are sinful these days as membership alone is seen as a sin to be punished by excommunication. The only people the MO bans are those members of pseudo lodges, as mentioned above.

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No longer the case and hasn't been since at least 1983.

[gbhibby]

So should the ultras make a banner for the masons as well?😁

[stuart-farquhar]

I know nothing really about the masonry club. I thought it was all about looking after members first and last.

Bit of dressing up and rules and a hierarchy. And wee bowling club style bars. I'm not eligible to join because of my belief that we live in a matrix, the earth is flat and Hibs might win the league soon. I'm good at keeping secrets mind, so that's a plus.

[Still Smiling]

Half the time I can’t make out the words of their songs apart from occasional ftp

[Iain G]

I love the whole "my weird, outdated, backward thinking, self preserving, minority hating institution is better then your weird, outdated, backward thinking, self preserving, minority hating institution"

[MrSmith]

I love the whole "my weird, outdated, backward thinking, self preserving, minority hating institution is better then your weird, outdated, backward thinking, self preserving, minority hating institution"

I might not be getting your post but can assure you the Masons do not preach hate and is actually quite the reverse as they are a humanist organisation. Maybe old and outdated but not backwards.

[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/iXtkTD1KLJ4?si=U8Si5x9-Vu9NHlOF
Is that why he is no longer our manager[emoji16]

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[gbhibby]

https://masoniccollection.co.uk/articles/an-introduction-into-freemasonry/who-can-become-a-freemason#:~:text=Any%20male%20of%20mature%20age,a nd%20in%20'good%20standing'.
So if you are an Atheist or Agnostic your no welcome here.

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[Keith_M]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the Atillas and the Bowler Hat Bunch?

[VoltaireHibs]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the Atillas and the Bowler Hat Bunch?

We are a broad church. Unlike some. 😁

[MrSmith]

https://masoniccollection.co.uk/articles/an-introduction-into-freemasonry/who-can-become-a-freemason#:~:text=Any%20male%20of%20mature%20age,a nd%20in%20'good%20standing'.
So if you are an Atheist or Agnostic your no welcome here.

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Thing is, many of the candidates lie and many more use it for their own ends. A supreme being can be a multitude of things and not simply god. You could simply believe in the Grand aRchitect of which has many connotations in itself. Context is everything. I'm not a Mason but it is supposed to be a vehicle for the betterment of man and society as a whole. All you need do is go to the Trades House in Glasgow and you will see how much good the Masons have done throughout history.

[VoltaireHibs]

I might not be getting your post but can assure you the Masons do not preach hate and is actually quite the reverse as they are a humanist organisation. Maybe old and outdated but not backwards.

They are a corrupt entity. That's not to say good things don't happen, but they are a self preserving, secret society that has waaaay too many policemen in it. Never mind judges etc. Anyone in public service should be barred from being a member of any secret society. Full stop.

[Kato]

Atillas and the Bowler Hat Bunch?

Ah! The old animated Hanna-Barbera show from the 1960s, great memories.

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[Kato]

They are a corrupt entity. That's not to say good things don't happen, but they are a self preserving, secret society that has waaaay too many policemen in it. Never mind judges etc. Anyone in public service should be barred from being a member of any secret society. Full stop.They are an organisation used by some people who are corrupt and some who are not.

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[MrSmith]

They are a corrupt entity. That's not to say good things don't happen, but they are a self preserving, secret society that has waaaay too many policemen in it. Never mind judges etc. Anyone in public service should be barred from being a member of any secret society. Full stop.

Read the history of the Masons and it will give you a better understanding of its nature away from those who infiltrated and corrupted it. Lat 18th, early 19th century was a watershed time for lodges. See Jack the Ripper and Royalty.

[Keith_M]

Ah! The old animated Hanna-Barbera show from the 1960s, great memories.




:tee hee:

[gbhibby]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the Atillas and the Bowler Hat Bunch?
Like a lot of threads on here Keith they go off in different directions. If the Orange Order members checked their history books the might learn something. Did the battle of the boyne not take place on July 1st etc.

[VoltaireHibs]

Read the history of the Masons and it will give you a better understanding of its nature away from those who infiltrated and corrupted it. Lat 18th, early 19th century was a watershed time for lodges. See Jack the Ripper and Royalty.

I don't really care what it was previously. It's an absolute irrelevance. It's a secret society, an old boys network that has no place in a modern society. It's been shown to be corrupt for decades. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck.

[VoltaireHibs]

They are an organisation used by some people who are corrupt and some who are not.

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And the fact it is a secret society with no external oversight is why it should be shut down. It really has no place in modern society. But I hope you and Mr Smith enjoy your cheap drinks. 😉

[DroitwichHibs]

I don't really care what it was previously. It's an absolute irrelevance. It's a secret society, an old boys network that has no place in a modern society. It's been shown to be corrupt for decades. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck.

Duck a l’orange?

[Iain G]

I might not be getting your post but can assure you the Masons do not preach hate and is actually quite the reverse as they are a humanist organisation. Maybe old and outdated but not backwards.

So are women freely able to join?

[gbhibby]

Thing is, many of the candidates lie and many more use it for their own ends. A supreme being can be a multitude of things and not simply god. You could simply believe in the Grand aRchitect of which has many connotations in itself. Context is everything. I'm not a Mason but it is supposed to be a vehicle for the betterment of man and society as a whole. All you need do is go to the Trades House in Glasgow and you will see how much good the Masons have done throughout history.
Ah those who believe in ancient aliens will be welcome then.

[gbhibby]

So are women freely able to join?
There is a separate organisation of Women Freemasons.

[WeeRussell]

I might not be getting your post but can assure you the Masons do not preach hate and is actually quite the reverse as they are a humanist organisation. Maybe old and outdated but not backwards.

I would argue that they, like many other things still in our world, are pretty backwards.

Perhaps not as bad as other ‘organisations’ in this country, but backwards all the same.

[Kato]

And the fact it is a secret society with no external oversight is why it should be shut down. It really has no place in modern society. But I hope you and Mr Smith enjoy your cheap drinks. [emoji6]Slurp

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[VoltaireHibs]

Slurp

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I've had neighbours and friends in the lodge. I don't hold anything against folk individually, but as an institution it's problematic to say the least. My neighbour's wife was in the female version, was it Eastern Star or something?

[A Hi-Bee]

The man from Delmonty oh wrong one, ah well to hell wi the sticky buns and the diet sticky buns.
:flag::flag::flag:

[mutley]

It does happen, but the black ball system of entry to a lodge means it just requires one idiot and the answer is no. I'm never sure why a catholic would want to join a lodge, cheap drink aside.

Sorry , wrong again, it doesn’t quite work like that, most lodges will state “3 or more black to preclude” but also that never happens.


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[Iain G]

There is a separate organisation of Women Freemasons.

Inclusive and modern organisation then 🤣

[Kato]

I've had neighbours and friends in the lodge. I don't hold anything against folk individually, but as an institution it's problematic to say the least. My neighbour's wife was in the female version, was it Eastern Star or something?Dunno. Have been "invited" to ask to join but never could being a ***** filled punk back in the day. Lost out on two very decent jobs because of my refusal, their loss and no skin off my knee.

What I will say is my auld boy and his pals were in it. He used to disappear on a Sunday every now and again "visiting widows". He was also a member of the Labour Party and was in the Royal Scots (full time national service them territorials) for about 20 years as a top class piper.

He died 40 years ago this year and every Christmas my Mum got an envelope hand delivered from the MO with quite a decent amount of cash in it, increasing as time went on until she died eight years ago. She also received the square root of nowt from the Royal Scots and the Labour Party combined. Although the Labour Party were kind enough to send reminders that his fees were due for a couple of years after he died. I did drink in 226 a few times (porty) and all I discovered was peev was cheap, it was just ordinary geezers and that they are top notch at cheating at dominos.

I reckon each lodge reflects its membership and there are corrupt lodges and old fashioned altruistic ones. I know that the old working class edinburgh lodges didn't have much time for their west coast counterparts.

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[MrSmith]

Dunno. Have been "invited" to ask to join but never could being a ***** filled punk back in the day. Lost out on two very decent jobs because of my refusal, their loss and no skin off my knee.

What I will say is my auld boy and his pals were in it. He used to disappear on a Sunday every now and again "visiting widows". He was also a member of the Labour Party and was in the Royal Scots (full time national service them territorials) for about 20 years as a top class piper.

He died 40 years ago this year and every Christmas my Mum got an envelope hand delivered from the MO with quite a decent amount of cash in it, increasing as time went on until she died eight years ago. She also received the square root of nowt from the Royal Scots and the Labour Party combined. Although the Labour Party were kind enough to send reminders that his fees were due for a couple of years after he died. I did drink in 226 a few times (porty) and all I discovered was peev was cheap, it was just ordinary geezers and that they are top notch at cheating at dominos.

I reckon each lodge reflects its membership and there are corrupt lodges and old fashioned altruistic ones. I know that the old working class edinburgh lodges didn't have much time for their west coast counterparts.

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My experience almost reflects yours. I never joined cos I'm a bit mouthy and opinionated so I came to the decision that I'd probably let secrets go when a drunk lol. My uncle was a member of St Clair, Outside of Lodge No 1 Kilwhinning, he would say, St Claire was the only other proper lodge to be in. Very subjetive though! Like you I know quite a lot of Masons and have to add, I have never met a bad one, not to say there isn't but I haven't experienced him yet.

[The Baldmans Comb]

So have Hibs defended themselves yet and questioned the complete irony of such a ridiculous complaint from a tainted and bigoted organization while pointing out that for 2 hours our own fans got the whole sectarian songbook?

Nah no need to answer.🥱

[Lendo]

My experience almost reflects yours. I never joined cos I'm a bit mouthy and opinionated so I came to the decision that I'd probably let secrets go when a drunk lol. My uncle was a member of St Clair, Outside of Lodge No 1 Kilwhinning, he would say, St Claire was the only other proper lodge to be in. Very subjetive though! Like you I know quite a lot of Masons and have to add, I have never met a bad one, not to say there isn't but I haven't experienced him yet.

I had no idea my grandfather was a member until the day of his funeral. After lowering this casket in to the grave with my dad, uncles and cousins I kind of expected that to be the end of the funeral. Upsteps the Lodge members to do some weird ritual thing with some sticks or branches.

Just felt really weird that they got to conduct the final actions of his funeral, not his family.

[NAE NOOKIE]

To be fair, its some feat to have seen that banner all the way from the 17th century. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

So have Hibs defended themselves yet and questioned the complete irony of such a ridiculous complaint from a tainted and bigoted organization while pointing out that for 2 hours our own fans got the whole sectarian songbook?

Nah no need to answer.🥱


That's one of those questions that answers itself.

[Keith_M]

So,vwho's planning the No Orangemen flags for the game?

[ian cruise]

No

There will be a fair amount of orange order members who are masons but the Masonic isn’t a sectarian organisation, there’s nothing stopping a catholic joining the masons apart from the Vatican saying they shouldn’t


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To add to this, Masonic Lodge is faith bazed, not protestant. There is a Jewish masonic lodge in Glasgow and most lodges will have a copy of the Qur'an.

Not saying it does not have members who are bigots and I suspect they are predominantly fans or Royaks, the union, etc. and most are probably Rangers fans, but they are a very different entity from the Orange Order.

[stuart-farquhar]

To add to this, Masonic Lodge is faith bazed, not protestant. There is a Jewish masonic lodge in Glasgow and most lodges will have a copy of the Qur'an.

Not saying it does not have members who are bigots and I suspect they are predominantly fans or Royaks, the union, etc. and most are probably Rangers fans, but they are a very different entity from the Orange Order.
But why do they exist at all.

[ian cruise]

But why do they exist at all.

Largely because it's an old boys drinking club. I doubt the masonic lodge will last much longer than 39 years in Scotland because they don't have anything to offer younger folk to join, whereas the Orange Order creates division which inspires hatred and there's always sections of society that will be drawn towards that.

Largely the Masonic lodge are involved in charitable community activities, help for veterans, etc. Their downfall will be the fact the have this veil of secrecy about everything because of tradition as it actually stops people knowing what they do and what differentiates this from organisation's such as the Orange Order.

I'm not saying you don't get ***** that are in the Masonic lodge, I'm sure there's a huge amount who are because they were brought up to believe in X, Y & Z but that's not down to the practices of the Masonic Lodge.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

So the masonic lodge is open to those of all faiths.

With that being the case why is there the Uber conspiracy theory between the lodge and the ****? Or is that those that are masons and part of the orange order?

[MrSmith]

But why do they exist at all.

Hiram Abiff!

[MrSmith]

Largely because it's an old boys drinking club. I doubt the masonic lodge will last much longer than 39 years in Scotland because they don't have anything to offer younger folk to join, whereas the Orange Order creates division which inspires hatred and there's always sections of society that will be drawn towards that.

Largely the Masonic lodge are involved in charitable community activities, help for veterans, etc. Their downfall will be the fact the have this veil of secrecy about everything because of tradition as it actually stops people knowing what they do and what differentiates this from organisation's such as the Orange Order.

I'm not saying you don't get ***** that are in the Masonic lodge, I'm sure there's a huge amount who are because they were brought up to believe in X, Y & Z but that's not down to the practices of the Masonic Lodge.

They keep those secrets to themselves but anyone can find those secrets on the internet. To be fair, even the purist of lodges don't know all the secrets because most of the degrees were lost after the Spanish Inquisition that oversaw the destruction of the Templars. The lodge was reseurrected in the 16/17th century but so much was lost meaning they had to go with what they had, Some amazing historical books out there about it all but is not just focused on the Masons. Back to the House of David, building of Soloman's temple, the Templars, Spanish Inquisition, The Essenes to Jesus Christ; Christopher Wren, Jack the Ripper, Scotland Yard and the Royals.

[Bostonhibby]

So the masonic lodge is open to those of all faiths.

With that being the case why is there the Uber conspiracy theory between the lodge and the ****? Or is that those that are masons and part of the orange order?

Probably covered somewhere already, but I know Hibs fans who are/were members of Masonic lodges.

I see them and others like them as different from the uber Orange gang who I have always regarded as fair game and deserving of the same contempt as they seem to show for the huge parts of civilised society that just happens to be different from their weird wee sect.

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[mutley]

So the masonic lodge is open to those of all faiths.

With that being the case why is there the Uber conspiracy theory between the lodge and the ****? Or is that those that are masons and part of the orange order?

Yes it is open to ALL faiths.

They whole The Rangers conspiracy comes form a few things. Yea there was a point where all player /staff were strongly advised to join a lodge (confirmed in a Terry Butcher interview) and the entrance to Ibrox main stand is designed on a Masonic lodge (checkered floor, spiral staircase etc.


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[mutley]

Largely because it's an old boys drinking club. I doubt the masonic lodge will last much longer than 39 years in Scotland because they don't have anything to offer younger folk to join, whereas the Orange Order creates division which inspires hatred and there's always sections of society that will be drawn towards that.

Largely the Masonic lodge are involved in charitable community activities, help for veterans, etc. Their downfall will be the fact the have this veil of secrecy about everything because of tradition as it actually stops people knowing what they do and what differentiates this from organisation's such as the Orange Order.

I'm not saying you don't get ***** that are in the Masonic lodge, I'm sure there's a huge amount who are because they were brought up to believe in X, Y & Z but that's not down to the practices of the Masonic Lodge.

It will be around for a lot longer than the 39 years you mention. For example , the Lodge in Dalkeith is 300 years old this year and still going very strong with members of all ages.

People keep going on about its “secrets”
And a “secret society” which is all wrong , the so called secrets and not actually secret at all. Everyone knows how to use google and it’s all out there . In fact some people join to find out about such secrets and are vastly disappointed to find out that there is nothing to it at all.

The second part about charitable is the main part of it all, similar to Rotary Club, Lions club etc. they support national and local charities. The big one is Prostate Scotland, and then all lodges have their own local charities they support.

[Iain G]

They keep those secrets to themselves but anyone can find those secrets on the internet. To be fair, even the purist of lodges don't know all the secrets because most of the degrees were lost after the Spanish Inquisition that oversaw the destruction of the Templars. The lodge was reseurrected in the 16/17th century but so much was lost meaning they had to go with what they had, Some amazing historical books out there about it all but is not just focused on the Masons. Back to the House of David, building of Soloman's temple, the Templars, Spanish Inquisition, The Essenes to Jesus Christ; Christopher Wren, Jack the Ripper, Scotland Yard and the Royals.

Sounds like an Indiana Jones movie...

[mutley]

They keep those secrets to themselves but anyone can find those secrets on the internet. To be fair, even the purist of lodges don't know all the secrets because most of the degrees were lost after the Spanish Inquisition that oversaw the destruction of the Templars. The lodge was reseurrected in the 16/17th century but so much was lost meaning they had to go with what they had, Some amazing historical books out there about it all but is not just focused on the Masons. Back to the House of David, building of Soloman's temple, the Templars, Spanish Inquisition, The Essenes to Jesus Christ; Christopher Wren, Jack the Ripper, Scotland Yard and the Royals.

Yup, that’s sums it up pretty well , all the history stuff is quite fascinating , and of course blurred by films like National Treasure and Da Vinci Code


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[VoltaireHibs]

Sounds like an Indiana Jones movie...

Or a Dan Brown novel, and about as made up.

[ian cruise]

It will be around for a lot longer than the 39 years you mention. For example , the Lodge in Dalkeith is 300 years old this year and still going very strong with members of all ages.

People keep going on about its “secrets”
And a “secret society” which is all wrong , the so called secrets and not actually secret at all. Everyone knows how to use google and it’s all out there . In fact some people join to find out about such secrets and are vastly disappointed to find out that there is nothing to it at all.

The second part about charitable is the main part of it all, similar to Rotary Club, Lions club etc. they support national and local charities. The big one is Prostate Scotland, and then all lodges have their own local charities they support.

39 should have been 30, wee typo, and that's just a gut feeling based on my own experiences.

I think you've misunderstood when I say secrets, I meant more that it's tradition to be secretive, but that in itself can be problematic when trying to attract new members.

"come join the Masonic lodge"
"oh what do you do?"
"ah we can't tell you that..."

Now I'm simplifying and it won't be the same for all lodges and masons, some are far more willing to share than others, but it's a problem when you're recruiting and unfortunately numbers are falling in many lodges, with people often joining because their dad was a member and it was expected, rather than folk reading about it and thinking "hey that's for me".

You're examples of the charitable work lodges are involved in are all fantasticml. That's the sort of thing that it needs to be promoting and doing it in a more modern way than a wee snippet in local papers or just sharing it with other lodges.

They unfortunately always get lumped in with the marching lot, and it creates the wrong impression of the Masonic lodge which also could be to it's detriment long term.

I've definitely taken this thread off in to holy ground territory (somewhat ironically) so happy to leave it there or discuss on another thread if this isn't of interest to the majority.

[Hibrandenburg]

I don’t really care what their rationale is.
We should never be afraid of them and never cow down to them.
Society in Scotland has turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to orange bigotry for way too long.
Silence is consent.

They want a fight? Let’s give them one.
Hibernian have always been fighters and pioneers. Let’s do our bit to challenge their medieval garbage and try to drag Scottish society kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

I don't think anyone (certainly not on here) turns a blind eye to bigotry. Rising to their bait is exactly what they want, if they provoke a fight then it'll be the same as it always is, neutrals will look at it and say both sides are as bad as each other.

If anything is going to change, then it has to happen on a political and legal level, to accommodate that you have to win over the middle. You won't achieve that by adding more hatred.

[marinello59]

I don't think anyone (certainly not on here) turns a blind eye to bigotry. Rising to their bait is exactly what they want, if they provoke a fight then it'll be the same as it always is, neutrals will look at it and say both sides are as bad as each other.

If anything is going to change, then it has to happen on a political and legal level, to accommodate that you have to win over the middle. You won't achieve that by adding more hatred.

Agree with all of your post, particularly the bit in bold.

[Kato]

They keep those secrets to themselves but anyone can find those secrets on the internet. To be fair, even the purist of lodges don't know all the secrets because most of the degrees were lost after the Spanish Inquisition that oversaw the destruction of the Templars. The lodge was reseurrected in the 16/17th century but so much was lost meaning they had to go with what they had, Some amazing historical books out there about it all but is not just focused on the Masons. Back to the House of David, building of Soloman's temple, the Templars, Spanish Inquisition, The Essenes to Jesus Christ; Christopher Wren, Jack the Ripper, Scotland Yard and the Royals.This explains all of that very simply in 6 minutes.


https://youtu.be/usDuyoec6Lc?si=1Km1iCNWxtBUxkO3

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[Pretty Boy]

Yes it is open to ALL faiths.

They whole The Rangers conspiracy comes form a few things. Yea there was a point where all player /staff were strongly advised to join a lodge (confirmed in a Terry Butcher interview) and the entrance to Ibrox main stand is designed on a Masonic lodge (checkered floor, spiral staircase etc.


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Am I correct in thinking that some lodges in France have removed the requirement to believe in a supreme being altogether and now admit atheists?

[mutley]

Am I correct in thinking that some lodges in France have removed the requirement to believe in a supreme being altogether and now admit atheists?

There are 2 systems in France, but I’ll check and get back to you on that. I know a few French Masons and I think they will be able to answer that.


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[Bishop Hibee]

King Charles refused to join the masons when asked by his auld man. That must have cheesed them right off. Brilliant!

[MrSmith]

I love the history of the Masonic Order, how it started to where it is now and the amazing work it does. Can't help the OO interference and that becomes a slight on the lodges who accept these hatred filled morons. As an aside, I recommend for those who are interested to visit the Trades House in Glasgow. https://www.tradeshouse.org.uk/

[stuart-farquhar]

I love the history of the Masonic Order, how it started to where it is now and the amazing work it does. Can't help the OO interference and that becomes a slight on the lodges who accept these hatred filled morons. As an aside, I recommend for those who are interested to visit the Trades House in Glasgow. https://www.tradeshouse.org.uk/

What "amazing" work is that?

[MrSmith]

What "amazing" work is that?

Check the trade house link and they also do a lot of charitble work. A little research goes a long way.

[stuart-farquhar]

Check the trade house link and they also do a lot of charitble work. A little research goes a long way.

I do a lot of charity work. I'm hardly amazing.

[Bostonhibby]

King Charles refused to join the masons when asked by his auld man. That must have cheesed them right off. Brilliant!He will take money from anybody, probably didn't want to see his opportunities restricted to just the matching handshake fraternity.

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[MrSmith]

I do a lot of charity work. I'm hardly amazing.
Maybe not in your eyes but try asking those who you have helped how they feel?

[stuart-farquhar]

Maybe not in your eyes but try asking those who you have helped how they feel?

That's a secret.

[Carheenlea]

Despite the diversion from the OP, it’s turned into quite an interesting thread.

I’ve late members of family who were in the masons, and know a few guys around town who are members, but I know absolutely nothing whatsoever about the organisation.

I know a bit more now.

[gbhibby]

According to press reports when William becomes king he will not be head of the Church of England. Wonder how the OO will react to that. Bet they can't wait for him to become King Billy.

Some Tories were demanding that people who were making anti semitic chants at the Gaza demonstrations be arrested for hate crimes.What would the same politicians say about the singing of anti Catholic songs at football matches and when they the OO are marching on 12 July.

[linlithgowhibbie]

So have Hibs defended themselves yet and questioned the complete irony of such a ridiculous complaint from a tainted and bigoted organization while pointing out that for 2 hours our own fans got the whole sectarian songbook?

Nah no need to answer.🥱

Not sure what it is that Hibs have to defend themselves for! It wasn't Hibs that held up or displayed the banner that the OO have taken offence to. I would imagine it is the same individual that carried that banner on the march to Tynie last time we were there.

We know that Hibs as a club haven't complained publicly to the Attilas about their fans behaviour.

I am sure that the OO would state that it wasn't their members doing the sectarian singing and to be honest can you prove it was?
I'm sure it was just the "normal" Sc@mmy fans that travel everywhere with them that are to blame.

I would be in favour of our club recording the songs from pitchside then sending the recording to the new Chief Constable who has just moved up from England and asking her if after hearing the recording that she is happy that her officers stood by and did the square root of F all?

The other option is for someone to invite her to ER for the next game and for us to supply her with an interpreter just to ensure that she knows how bad they are.

[Skol]

Way back when I was a lad, my mates did thought he was a big cheese in the local masons. My mate and I plus our partners were invited to some sit down meal bash and who was I to turn down free food and cheap drink

The place was rammed and as I finished my meal I took my jacket off. The room fell silent. Get yer jaiket on my mate hissed, we huvnae toasted the queen. I put my jacket on and things went back to normal. In a bit we toasted the queen and jackets were off. So were the gloves.

The hard sell then started with tales of going upstairs and stuff. All cloak and dagger. All I had to do was believe in god and swear allegiance to the queen. I wasn’t brave enough to say I fell short on both counts and so couldn’t join


My wife also came under pressure from the ladies about the joys of the eastern star.

[Bishop Hibee]

According to press reports when William becomes king he will not be head of the Church of England. Wonder how the OO will react to that. Bet they can't wait for him to become King Billy.

Some Tories were demanding that people who were making anti semitic chants at the Gaza demonstrations be arrested for hate crimes.What would the same politicians say about the singing of anti Catholic songs at football matches and when they the OO are marching on 12 July.

Nothing. Unlike Muslims, Jews etc, Catholics should shut up and accept the OO as part of Scottish culture.

[marinello59]

Nothing. Unlike Muslims, Jews etc, Catholics should shut up and accept the OO as part of Scottish culture.



West of Scotland culture surely. It doesn't exist in most parts of the country.

[Kato]

Nothing. Unlike Muslims, Jews etc, Catholics should shut up and accept the OO as part of Scottish culture.S'true. That part of Scottish culture which is anti-catholic and anti-irish is just treated as a laugh and giggle by some. The fact they say they "love" the royal family means they are more or less acceptable among the establishmenty classes and at least tolerated by snobbier sections. This can be proved by the facts that they exist, and that they show off their extremism loud and clear on a regular basis without comment.

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[Kato]

West of Scotland culture surely. It doesn't exist in most parts of the country.You don't think the OO exists on this side of the country?

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