4-2-3-1?

[King Cosell]

Monty made a rod for his own back with his 4-4-2 come what may, was there a very clear change of formation today?

[Skol]

I have said it before but will say it again. Although we line up 4-4-2, the way we actually play is a lot more fluid than that set up. I think too much is being made of the formation. It’s a lazy argument.

[Mikey_1875]

I thought it was more personnel than a drastic formation change. Marcondes was a lot more effective in that role than a half dropping deep/half attacking Vente. For the middle part of the game where we lost the two goals there were a lot of similar problems that we had in previous games but for the rest Marcondes and latterly Myziane were very effective. On another day Marcondes could have had 2 goals.

[JimBHibees]

I have said it before but will say it again. Although we line up 4-4-2, the way we actually play is a lot more fluid than that set up. I think too much is being made of the formation. It’s a lazy argument.

Agree sure I saw Villa playing yesterday with it. Think absolutely is about the quality of the player. Need much more movement intensity and flexibility

[LaMotta]

He played 4-2-3-1 last week too.

Actually think hes been playing that most weeks with Vente as the advanced midfielder. Now we have the perfect player for that role in Marcondes.

[Brightside]

He played 4-2-3-1 last week too.

Actually think hes been playing that most weeks with Vente as the advanced midfielder. Now we have the perfect player for that role in Marcondes.

Yep. Clear as day. But some are using 442 as the main bat to hit him with. Emi is a huge positive to make us more mobile

[LaMotta]

Yep. Clear as day. But some are using 442 as the main bat to hit him with. Emi is a huge positive to make us more mobile

Agree. Im positive that things will improve soon.

[B.H.F.C]

Monty might say it’s a 442 with the starting positions but it wasn’t in reality. Never really saw much difference last week but with Emi, he just played wherever he wanted, got on the ball, and we were better for it.

[andrew70]

I have said it before but will say it again. Although we line up 4-4-2, the way we actually play is a lot more fluid than that set up. I think too much is being made of the formation. It’s a lazy argument.

100%. They just need to play at a better pace when attacking and defending. More determined play and an intensity that they can play at for spells for the full 90.

We have signed well, I hope we get a couple of centre halves in this week (being greedy a keeper as well) and defend with all our might because we are far too easy to play against at times. Our goals against column is appalling.

Still seen enough to know we are going in the right direction.

[TrinityHFC]

Disagree.

We play 442. It’s a 442 again today.

The second forward is quite often a player we would consider a midfielder or a winger but they are playing in this system as a second forward.

Emelio was the deeper of the forwards usually and was coming back regularly into the midfield but he was also regularly the furthest forward.

It is flexible, it isn’t subbuteo but there is no way that we set up with 3 midfielders today.

We don’t need to somehow prove that Monty is playing something different. He’s pretty clear what we play. It is 442. Just his version of it.

[Not In The Know]

Agree sure I saw Villa playing yesterday with it. Think absolutely is about the quality of the player. Need much more movement intensity and flexibility


Bang on. The question is do we have players good enough to play the way Monty wants. He could be the best manger in the world at that formation but if you don’t have the players …

[Brightside]

Disagree.

We play 442. It’s a 442 again today.

The second forward is quite often a player we would consider a midfielder or a winger but they are playing in this system as a second forward.

Emelio was the deeper of the forwards usually and was coming back regularly into the midfield but he was also regularly the furthest forward.

It is flexible, it isn’t subbuteo but there is no way that we set up with 3 midfielders today.

We don’t need to somehow prove that Monty is playing something different. He’s pretty clear what we play. It is 442. Just his version of it.

Your are trolling. Emi was actually picking the ball up from our CBs today. You cannot be watching the games now.

[Torto7]

It's amazing how many tactical experts there are on this forum. I'm not talking about just having the usual fans opinion but actually believing you know more than him. As far as I can see he's ambitious and has spaced the players out to the max playing 4-4-2. That's brave on his part with the players we have. If we ever want to achieve in Europe we have to play football that isn't the compact anti football that makes up the SPL. I'm happy for Montgomerie to have until next Jan to see marked improvement.

[King Cosell]

100%. They just need to play at a better pace when attacking and defending. More determined play and an intensity that they can play at for spells for the full 90.

We have signed well, I hope we get a couple of centre halves in this week (being greedy a keeper as well) and defend with all our might because we are far too easy to play against at times. Our goals against column is appalling.

Still seen enough to know we are going in the right direction.

We lost 8 goals in our first 3 games, under Johnson, and 11 in 3 games when we were far too open against the Old Firm.

In the other 16 games we've conceded 15 goals.

Killie's first goal today shouldn't have stood, their second Megwa could have done better but it was a great cross and finish.

We'll get at decent CH in before window shuts, there's no crisis.

[Smartie]

We lost 8 goals in our first 3 games, under Johnson, and 11 in 3 games when we were far too open against the Old Firm.

In the other 16 games we've conceded 15 goals.

Killie's first goal today shouldn't have stood, their second Megwa could have done better but it was a great cross and finish.

We'll get at decent CH in before window shuts, there's no crisis.

Re crisis - Hibs showed something today that they haven’t for a while - character to get back into the game and an ability to score goals. Neither of these should be under appreciated but there was a point in that game when we were 2-0 down that it felt very much like we were slumping into a crisis.

It’ll take a lot more than an encouraging start and end to a game to fully convince a few of us but credit to Hibs for what they showed today and a few people there proved a few of us doubters wrong.

Long may it continue.

[B.H.F.C]

Re crisis - Hibs showed something today that they haven’t for a while - character to get back into the game and an ability to score goals. Neither of these should be under appreciated but there was a point in that game when we were 2-0 down that it felt very much like we were slumping into a crisis.

It’ll take a lot more than an encouraging start and end to a game to fully convince a few of us but credit to Hibs for what they showed today and a few people there proved a few of us doubters wrong.

Long may it continue.

The last two games have been much better in terms of creating chances. We didn’t score against Rangers but we had 3 or 4 proper clear cut chances which is as much as you’ll get against them. And today we had 7 or 8 clear cut chances including the goals. Saw enough from the two new boys today to think we’ll keep improving on that front. And Boyle to come back as well.

Have to use today as a turning point because I was sitting there at 2-0 down thinking we were in big trouble. Must win next week. Absolutely must.

[LaMotta]

Disagree.

We play 442. It’s a 442 again today.

The second forward is quite often a player we would consider a midfielder or a winger but they are playing in this system as a second forward.

Emelio was the deeper of the forwards usually and was coming back regularly into the midfield but he was also regularly the furthest forward.

It is flexible, it isn’t subbuteo but there is no way that we set up with 3 midfielders today.

We don’t need to somehow prove that Monty is playing something different. He’s pretty clear what we play. It is 442. Just his version of it.

You really don't know what you are watching. How can you fail to understand that it wasnt a 4 4 2 today? Seriously!!?

[Winston Ingram]

Agree sure I saw Villa playing yesterday with it. Think absolutely is about the quality of the player. Need much more movement intensity and flexibility

Villa do not play 442. Villa drop into a flat 442 after their press has failed. Diaby plays as a 10.

[JimBHibees]

Villa do not play 442. Villa drop into a flat 442 after their press has failed. Diaby plays as a 10.

They played 442 against Chelsea you could see it in their shape and also highlighted in the team line up.

[Alex Trager]

Incidentally, Sportscene had Killie lined up in a 442 and us a 4231.

[Iain G]

You really don't know what you are watching. How can you fail to understand that it wasnt a 4 4 2 today? Seriously!!?

I thought we played a 4-2-4, I read it on here so must be true! No?

[WhileTheChief..]

I have said it before but will say it again. Although we line up 4-4-2, the way we actually play is a lot more fluid than that set up. I think too much is being made of the formation. It’s a lazy argument.

Tend to agree. I don't just mean Hibs, I mean in general.

It gives pundits and fans something to talk about, but in most games, you'll see players in positions you'd never expect to see them.

Only ever seems relevant at kick off and for the graphic on the TV pre-match!

[Winston Ingram]

They played 442 against Chelsea you could see it in their shape and also highlighted in the team line up.

They have occasionally gone into a 4 2 2 2. They play in a box shape in midfield. On Friday they had Tielmans and McGinn in front of Kamara and Luiz. They switched to that in the draw with Everton when they brought Jhon Duran on. Emery used that formation at Villarreal as well.

Either way, it’s absolutely nothing like the bog standard old fashioned 442 we play.

[Brightside]

They have occasionally gone into a 4 2 2 2. They play in a box shape in midfield. On Friday they had Tielmans and McGinn in front of Kamara and Luiz. They switched to that in the draw with Everton when they brought Jhon Duran on. Emery used that formation at Villarreal as well.

Either way, it’s absolutely nothing like the bog standard old fashioned 442 we play.

You’re at it now 😂😂

[Heedersnvolleys]

I don’t mind the 442, my problem is we play generally with 2 wingers that are not very good at defensive side of the game. It would work better if we had a a left and/or right sided midfielder in there. If I remember correctly SJM early days at ER played left rather than in the middle sometimes and the formation would work with midfielder mindset rather than a winger mindset.

[JimBHibees]

They have occasionally gone into a 4 2 2 2. They play in a box shape in midfield. On Friday they had Tielmans and McGinn in front of Kamara and Luiz. They switched to that in the draw with Everton when they brought Jhon Duran on. Emery used that formation at Villarreal as well.

Either way, it’s absolutely nothing like the bog standard old fashioned 442 we play.

:greengrin still a 442 then

[greenlex]

Disagree.

We play 442. It’s a 442 again today.

The second forward is quite often a player we would consider a midfielder or a winger but they are playing in this system as a second forward.

Emelio was the deeper of the forwards usually and was coming back regularly into the midfield but he was also regularly the furthest forward.

It is flexible, it isn’t subbuteo but there is no way that we set up with 3 midfielders today.

We don’t need to somehow prove that Monty is playing something different. He’s pretty clear what we play. It is 442. Just his version of it.

Both you and monty can call it 442 all you like but we don’t play it.

[Winston Ingram]

:greengrin still a 442 then

No

[Iain G]

No

So it's a four box two?

[Winston Ingram]

You’re at it now ����

If ye say so mate. It’s exactly the same formation that Ralph Hasenhüttl used at Southampton.

If it’s a bit too complicated for ye, here’s a wee explanation on how it works. ����

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/4-2-2-2-football-tactics-explained-rangnick-hasenhuttl-pellegrini/#:~:text=Hasenh%C3%BCttl%20has%20used%20a%204,dire ct%2C%20central%20counter%2Dattacks.

[scoopyboy]

If ye say so mate. It’s exactly the same formation that Ralph Hasenhüttl used at Southampton.

If it’s a bit too complicated for ye, here’s a wee explanation on how it works. ����

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/4-2-2-2-football-tactics-explained-rangnick-hasenhuttl-pellegrini/#:~:text=Hasenh%C3%BCttl%20has%20used%20a%204,dire ct%2C%20central%20counter%2Dattacks.

hardly a glowing reference. :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Strong Simon the IT guy vibes on this thread.

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[Brightside]

If ye say so mate. It’s exactly the same formation that Ralph Hasenhüttl used at Southampton.

If it’s a bit too complicated for ye, here’s a wee explanation on how it works. ����

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/4-2-2-2-football-tactics-explained-rangnick-hasenhuttl-pellegrini/#:~:text=Hasenh%C3%BCttl%20has%20used%20a%204,dire ct%2C%20central%20counter%2Dattacks.

Hibs don't play that either. I'm honestly not sure what you are looking at now. We played a 4231 yesterday - that was clear as day.

[Winston Ingram]

Hibs don't play that either. I'm honestly not sure what you are looking at now. We played a 4231 yesterday - that was clear as day.

If ye’d read it properly ye’d know that I never said we did

[eastmainsmsh]

Would Diamond 4-4-2 work lol

[Billy Whizz]

Would Diamond 4-4-2 work lol

Or Terry Venables Christmas tree formation